>want to run Mfalinks
>start building a team around it
>realize three minutes in that Falinks is just Staraptor but worse in every relevant aspect
Fuck

>>59429318
The Rain/Zard is an archetype I don't think I've seen until this tournament, but clearly it has been making the rounds in high level play because a lot of very skilled players brought it.

Is there an easy place to keep track of when tournaments are happening, and where to sign up for them?
It seems a much better way to actually learn rather than spamming ladder mindlessly and I don't want to miss the next one.

>>59429521
I had this with Malamar.

>>59429545
yes

>>59429545
Limitless + Victory Road

>>59429575
>>59429577
Thanks

Shit Game

>>59429648
Cope and Sneed

>>59429648
the problem is that games like these need constant updates. which they can do pretty easily with all shitmons they could drop monthly.

>>59429681
Regulations should be longer, not shorter. We need to get back to four month Regs. M-A was seeing meta changes every week up until the very end.

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>>59429679
>only one (1) combat arena
>said combat arena looks like a casino and is design with so many flashing lights im surprised TPC haven't been raided for causing mass epilepsy attacks
>even tho because of (((worlds))) at the end of August the whole playerbase has to be held hostage with this milquetoast roaster, they could, every month add a fuckton of cosmetics to keep people coming back.
>no minigames to keep the normiefags engaged (minigames like pokemon Colosseum for example)

why the fuck should i even care about this """game""" let alone play it if it will remain like this up to September?

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>>59429724
the real question is why are you wasting your time arguing about a game you don't enjoy

>>59429724
this, also add to the list:
>no replays
>no spectator mode, even random and with players names hidden

>water-type's trademark weather, rain, makes their attacks stronger and doesn't disadvantage them in any way
>fire-type's trademark weather, sun, makes their attacks stronger and also offers a defensive benefit by weakening water-type attacks
>grass-type has no trademark weather
>many grass-type pokemon have moves or abilities that are designed to function in sun (Solar Beam, Solar Blade, Synthesis, Chlorophyll, Harvest, Flower Gift, Leaf Guard)
>but being in sun also means the grass-type fucking explodes if anything uses a fire-type move on it
>grass-type pokemon don't have any moves or abilities that can take advantage of rain

How is this fair? Why do the devs hate grass-types so much?
The best users of Solar Beam and Leaf Blade end up being fire types because they can be in sunlight without turbo-fucking themselves and can use the grass-type coverage to kill water-type threats.

Only I should be able to use whimsicott and sableye and farigiraf

>>59429761
as a sand enjoyer, i get fuck all
>+50% s.def
lol lmao

>>59429766
Don't forget Grimmsnarl and Tsareena. Then you have one more slot for your mega. :^)

>>59429761
Your terrain?

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What if we did a thing where anons from the thread put pokemon up on the GTS (whether shitmons, or a pokemon with a specific build that they're curious how it would do, etc) all for one anon to gather and make a team out of, and then use all of the contributions in Ranked while streaming it in a Cytube room or something?
Not just one either, but a different anon could take the reins when he was done, and so on.

It would be easy enough to set up a stream that anyone could broadcast to by just sharing the stream key here.
The main issue would be that the players could really only feasibly be PC/emulator players. Apparently streaming from a mobile device is possible in theory too, but Switch would be out unless the anon happened to already own a hardware capture device.

>>59429761
Wait until you see what Grassy Glide can do

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>>59429820
Would this guy help us stop the glowie bots in the /rheg/ and /fanfic/ threads?

>turns out Zard Y is simultaneously the best fire type, grass type, but also the best rain abuser

>>59429939
>but also the best rain abuser
I mean, in rain, wouldn't Thunder cook him?

>>59429981
Yes, so he can choose when to turn it off.

>>59429986
But once he does, he loses access to rain so he can't abuse it anymore.

Weather Ball should only increase to 80 damage during weather, not 100.
Its benefit is its flexibility, it doesn't need to be outright stronger than almost every other STAB option for weather users with zero drawbacks.

>>59429996
Disagree, weather ball existed as a useless move for generations.

>>59429996
kinda glad weather ball is a usable move now.

>>59429761
Grass types get terrain, but it only gives them a 30% boost.
Rain and Sun really should have gotten the same power nerf terrains did.

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>>59430004
>>59430005
>weather ball existed as a useless move for generations
Because it wasn't a TM prior to Gen 8. Literally the only weather setter from Gen 3 to Gen 8 who could learn it through any means was Vanilluxe. This meant the 100 BP was balanced out by needing to spend a turn setting up weather or at the very least be in a double battle and be partnered with a weather setter.
Now that it's a TM, Weather Ball can be put on pokemon like Yzard who create weather just by existing, except it's also better than other attacks in its damage range.
>100 BP
>perfect accuracy
>twice the PP of other 100+ BP moves
>no stat drops or any other drawbacks

I don't think Weather Ball should be the dedicated "slop it on literally any weather setter and it will outperform any of their other moves" attack.

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I appreciate that it's also level 67

my kingdom for letting sableye learn snowscape and sandstorm since it can learn the other weathers already
it has gemstone eyes, it's an honorary rock type anyway

>>59430053
I don't care what you think.

>>59429939
So... this must be the power of the Marketing Meta.

https://www.youtube.com/live/top7O7M23Zk
Finals begins very shortly. It's Rain/Zard vs Pex/Zard.

pex is a meme

>>59430145
It's really good, but this Rain Zard team is weird and probably a fairly recent development.

take a drink every time he says charizard

game 3 time.

>>59430121
Sponsored by the IDF.

>>59429761
>grass types can't get fucking sleep powdered
Yeah cry me a river faggot

charizard

>>59430189
Or anything-powdered, or spore.

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>zard pex stall vs. zard sleep venusaur

What the fuck is this rain zard team and is it a meme or actually good

ZardY and Pelipper are best friends now.

>>59430229
It just won a 4500 player tournament brother. This was also not the only Zard/Rain team that placed highly.
You get to have both pillars in Zard and Arch, they cover for each other very well.

I wonder how many times Davide has played this matchup to where he decided the Garchomp wasn't good to bring despite its strength into both of Alex's main attackers.

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>>59430189
That's going to come in handy in the 1 match out of 1000 where the opponent uses Sleep Powder.

>game rigs my selection and moves by pretending it has connection issues
>opponent has a Jewish name

funny how rain charizard only works because of how sun and solarbeam strongly discourage bringing water types that would otherwise take advantage of it

yzard is just never ending cascade of enabling degeneracy

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Cool and diverse meta

>>59430267
Weather should be decreased to 3 turns, 5 with the held item.
Prove me wrong

Now we can all agree that Staraptor is a fraud

>>59430267
based sandchad daredevilz

also funny how iirc 1st place didn't even use all of his pokemon, it's was literally just the same 4 (zard venus pelip arch) in every game, i think

Do you think Zard slop can still evolve or have we reached peak Zardslop?

>>59430267
Yeah, I bet you guys thought MB was going to mean Zard Y wasn't 50% of top cut and 87.5% of top 8.

>>59430298
Everytime I think we're done, he absorbs new friends. I think the meta will evolve yet again.

>>59430263
That and Arch will just electroshooted your water type.

>>59429761
Terrain isn't well thought out. Most of the effects don't even make any sense. There's not that many abilities that take advantage of them. And they don't really offensively or defensively benefit users outside of the respective type. It's like how snow isn't fully fleshed out since it doesn't really benefit anything but ice types except all terrains are like this.

>>59430298
Arch doesn't have his ass vest yet. So we haven't reached the PEAK.

>>59430267
Are you guys ready to admit megas are a fucking trashy mechanic yet

>>59430267
kingambit and farigiraf found dead in a fucking ditch

>>59430316
Nope, I like megas.
I think they're better balanced in a sub legendary format. Right now we have megas, which are closing in on restricteds, playing in the kiddie pool.
We also need terrains back.

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My first 100 played pokemon

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Wolfe Glicke well tell you with a straight face that these are different Pokemon.

>>59430313
snow is so awkward, i can't even think of any other types you could make synergize with it in a way that makes flavorful sense, other than maybe some kind of dark/ghost type "blizzards make it dark/hard to see" stretch, but neither of those types need the help at all

>>59430316
they're fine conceptually in a vacuum but game freak just couldn't help themselves in giving megas to already strong pokemon that are popular, so in practice it's shit

>>59430316
mega's are not the problem though. the whole game is filled with priority sloppa and tailwind. it either that or trickroom

>>59430316
In open team sheet format Tera is the best mechanic for competitive pokemon even if it looks like ass.

>>59430334
trick room is actually becoming extremely rare at top level, it's all weather war and sometimes tailwind

the current meta teams just gain way too much momentum when you have to spend half a turn setting up TR

>>59430327
compfags are so autistic they can only see their mons as numbers on a spreadsheet, so they get excited when the numbers are slightly different and can't understand why normies don't find it exciting

>>59430316
From my viewpoint, weather is the problem.

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Having Garchomp fatigue over here

Real talk, the game would be better if the weather setting abilities never existed.

>>59430355
and even within weather itself, it's like 80% a sun problem

Weather is fine if it's not tied to a mega because you need to switch in to get it which creates mindgame and strategic positioning and not just clicking mega evolve and heat wave

>>59430267
>0 whimsicotts
What?

new favorite poke is bellibolt
fun fella to use and is very bulky

the problem is just GF not understanding or being willfully ignorant of certain combinations that allow way too much role compression

a pokemon with charizard stats should not be an auto sun setter or learn solarbeam
a chlorophyll haver with venusaur stats should not be allowed learn sleep powder
a pokemon with archaludon and an ability as good as stamina should not also have an ridiculously powerful signature move
etc.

pelipper is the only one innocent here because it's kind of a shitmon without his ability and can't carry on its own

What's a good rating in Master Ball? I just got in at 1700. I installed the game Wednesday.

>>59430263
Take solar beam away from Charizard.

how's the game for playing casually with retarded teams anons?

>>59430390
You can make it to Master Ball with retarded unconventional teams, but you need to put some thought into the retardation. Even then, it will be an uphill battle against the meta slop teams.
There's a casual battle mode though, which tends to have less meta slop.

>>59430390
You're probably going to need Home and some of the mainline games to catch them.

>>59430388
It will still be good.

>raintard doesn't even bother setting up rain

>>59430333
>snow is so awkward, i can't even think of any other types you could make synergize with it in a way that makes flavorful sense
What about water-types in snow get a defense buff, but a speed debuff?
Actually, maybe debuff the speed of all non-ice types in snow.

>>59430397
Eh, you can get a new meme draft team every week off the the gacha pulls, its entirely possible to meme around in this game without home/main games
The main problem is box space.

>>59430395
That's nice, I'll try it. SV is kinda dead and I want to play doubles without the Tera stuff.
I did make to Master Ball on singles in SV using Smeargle, Sandaconda and the green cat so maybe the meta there won't be worse than the Koraidon/Miraidon spam.
>>59430397
I do have Home and a bunch of pokemons there. Probably need to train a few megas in ZA though

I just got a shiny ekans that I can now evolve in GO. Best team comps for Arbok rn? Still remember how that one dude that ran Coil Arbok fucked me over when I was new and lives rent free in my head but forgot to screenshot his team

>>59430444
You can edit your pokemon stats and move here after you transfer it, you don't need to train anything

>>59430444
Training isn't a problem. I only brought up Home because it's easier to get a specific Pokémon you want through the mainline or trading it than going with the gacha. The gacha is only fine if you don't care what you're getting but getting a specific Pokémon isn't easy since it selects 10 from a pool of 250. Unless you specifically want a partially random team then go with the gacha. Home also solves the box space problem since you can send things you are done with back.

>>59430267
Mega Drampa should have kept Cloud Nine to have a niche against weatherslop

>>59430465
it would help if cloud 9 wasn't weirdly nerfed compared to other weather abilities
for some reason it only works while the mon is on the field instead of replacing the current condition and requiring it to be reset

>vivillons pokedex number is 666
Very fitting

>>59430449
Doesn't the stats I get from Champions reset when I bring them back? Might as well train them before sending there.
>>59430459
>I only brought up Home because it's easier to get a specific Pokémon you want through the mainline or trading it than going with the gacha
I guess so, I don't mind the gacha but I like the idea of being able to use pokemons you caught on the main games.

holy 4 slot syndrom on sableye is so bad
>knock off
>taunt
>encore
>rain dance/sunny day
>quash
>fake out
>screens

wtf i want them all

Made it to Mesterball with my Mega Scrafty/Malamar team. Even though I tweaked the moveset for a matchup that never happened, it's surprisingly effective even against certain encounters that it wasn't intended for.

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between these
who is the best counter for Charizard Y?

>>59430541
Heat's the only actual counter. The others are just checks at most.

>>59430542
What makes heat a better counter than wash? Both resist Charizard's fire attacks and both can kill with electric attacks.

>>59430545
sun makes your water attacks weak and almost every charizard carries solarbeam

only heat resists heat wave, solar, and even flying stab if zard is carrying it

>>59430545
Wash's Hydro is useless against Y and T-Bolt is a 2HKO on most sets. Rotom is always outsped without Scarf and gets chunked if bulky and OHKO'd if not by Solar Beam. Heat resists every relevant move a Charizard has beyond niche shit like Dragon Pulse or Focus Blast which are 2HKO's.

>>59430545
Because Zard has solar beam and wins in a heads up trade, it will survive a modest Wash's +32 Thunderbolt without much bulk investment, the kind of investment that already overlaps with surviving non-stab rockslides.
On the other hand, Heat tanks Zard's attacks and at 2hkos it.

>6 days into the season
>1 game per day
>6 winstreak
september feels so far away brehs

>>59430504
No. It basically only saves a profile based on its existing build the first time but every time it comes back into champions it remembers what build it had in champions. I've traded Pokémon that were already in champions and it has what the previous owner built it as when I bring it over. The niche situation you're talking about is you build a Pokémon in mainline, send it to Champions, then want to adjust it again mainline. You can't but you can freely adjust it in Champions where the game will remember all the changes you made within Champions. Getting the resources to edit Pokémon is a non issue unless you're an indecisive sperg constantly making micro adjustments.

>>59430541
Never seen any rotoms other than heat and water

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Why tf is this season's Ultra Ball so fucking hard compared to the last one? Made it to Master Ball with this squad, though. Spicy extract + clear body is the coolest shit ever.

>This team will get swept by 1 Milotic

>>59430603
I fought a Rotom frost in a mono ice team once. I'm embarrassed to have gotten trashed by it.

>>59430608
Because the hype is gone and the trash players have quit

what enjoyment do people get out of copy pasting meta teams into the builder and running the flowchart until rank go up?
the only reason the game is fun at all is the experimenting part

>been trading Gholdengos back and forth since it's one of the best GTS trade fodders
>just noticed I got my hands on a shiny one at one point
Bet the other guy didn't even realize either if he's just trading it forward without checking too

>>59430327
>b-but the nuances!
>b-but muh complexity!

>>59430385
You got into MB it doesnt matter what your elo is unless you're a type A autistic compfaggot

>Fake out
>Shell smash
>Water spout
>Water spout
>Water spout
>Win

Lost a game because Pelipper never missed a hurricane under sun and now I am mad.

>>59429761
Grass gets protected from fire under rain. It's the only type that benefits from two weathers.

Quash is a neat move vs tailroom

>tfw always select ceruledge as my sylveon destroyer over scizor cause I know my opponent will set sun for me and no one uses sylveon on hard trick room

>>59430636
I can't up my trades to him at all. Max rarity that I've achieved is a Kinggambit
I've spent more time playing trader on home than actually playing champions

>>59430656
I get my Gholdengos by offering the stray shinies that I can get my hands on. Common early route shinies are unlikely to fetch a Gholdengo but you can still get Kingambit/Bascu/Archa then just camp on the wanted list for them until somebody offers more valuable shiny of starters, waifumon or early stage meta Pokemon. I only have Sword version to stockpile my Pokemon, so anything with ES-LA or not transferable to Sword are immediate traded away

basculegion should get trick room

Which sites do people use to calc whether a move KO something or not

>>59430696
showdown has a champ setting on their calc but i don't know if I trust it at all

>>59430696
https://calc.pokemonshowdown.com/champions.html?mode=champions
Hope you like making your opponent wait though while you desperately key in the numbers mid battle

>>59430636
I've gotten 2 but one of them was Korean so I gave him for a shiny something else. In hindsight I probably should have gone for a Walking Wake with that.

>>59430636
When they released it in SV (as opposed to Go), it was botted to shit since it was raid only. You could go into the online raids and have what felt like a 1/10 chance of getting a botted raid with a shiny. Personally, I'm not a fan of botted mons (they are 100% legal, is my understanding) and would trade one away if I got one. Also they aren't that hard to get in ZA, despite what some people will say. It's just random chance to roll the special zone where they spawn.

>>59430656
In my experience you trade up from junk to fully evolved something to easy to obtain meta or Kalos starter from Z-A to somewhat annoying to evolve meta (Sneasler, Basculegion male, Kingambit, Archaludon) to Gholdengo to shiny to Floette to whatever shiny you want. Or if you want to keep climbing you get the DLC paradox legends. Walking Wake and Iron Leaves at the very top. Honestly I spent more time in Home than actually playing Champions too. It's pretty fun and interesting to figure out the GTS economics. Though I've been having more trouble than last month.

Rate my idea:
>max attack M-Starmie turn 1 Self-Destruct boosted by a ghost-type teammate using Helping Hand
Now I have 3 pokemon left and my opponent only has 2.

>>59430759
>Protect

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>slicker UI
>custom animations
>NPC trainer battles
>stadium announcer
Champions bros we got too cocky and showdown is gonna show us up again

https://youtu.be/kxHw0BvmS3o?si=copWl2JGX5ADWj_j

Ngl but this looks pretty good ... are we in trouble?

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I just slapped em together but ik im having fun

>>59430774
now showderp can heckle in HD

>>59430767
Alright but if they DON'T do that.

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Pretty sure this is the guy that made the Pallossand too

>want to do Anger Point Tauros + Frost Breath crit meme
>Tauros can't manage to stay alive longer than one fucking turn

Sableye is so GOATED, rarely gets to attack and use the Quash meme but his contribution in getting screens up is always valued, also ive been surprised at the damage Foul Play does to giraffe

>>59430759
>non-stab normal move
>see your mega, lead with intimidate
It won't ohko nearly as often as you think

Faced someone doing the parting shot incin glitch, beat them but no wonder incineroar is everywhere despite being in a metagame with frequent mega swampert and pelliper teams (though rain seems to be going away, used to face it 6/10 games but now its 1 in 20)

>>59430759
No Ghost type learns helping hand, but you should use imprison on sinistcha with Protect if you attempt it and have Liquidation for incineroar and so you can attempt it later at max attack with incin gone

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>>59430818
>non-stab normal move
Ironically M-Starmie's attack is so high due to Huge Power that even without STAB it only does slightly less damage than M-Glalie's STAB Refrigerate Self-Destruct.
Alolan Golem would be better, though.

>>59430832
>No Ghost type learns helping hand
Quite a lot of them do. See pic related.
I went with Ceruledge for the test run because it's what I had on hand, but I think Dragapult would be more useful after Starmie's gone.

gotta love instantly going on a 5 win streak with a random ass team of non meta pokemon I barely put any thought into

>>59430774
looks pretty good and I like that it's faster paced. the animations are kinda bad obviously but that's good how they managed to get the 3d models. I guess they're going to have all of the pokemon too which champions doesn't have.

>>59430631
Rank go up.
This is the same for every ranked game ever, some people don't enjoy team building or experimenting, but just winning.

MTG has a whole terminology for it.

>>59430656
>>59430668
Maybe I am missing something, but why do you guys trade so much? Once you have a 1x of a pokemon in champion it should be enough, unless it's something like whimsicott, and with the rolls the game gives you (about 2.1 rolls per day + pass rewards) you should have almost everyone soonish.

Like I started 3 weeks ago and I have almost every relevant pokemon without trading from older games since I played those emulated on pc.
Only one I am missing, from the top of my head, is Ceruledge.

>>59430856
They're treating home like some stock market. You wouldnt get it

>>59430316
but enough about tera.
megas are great

>>59430355
Oh you're gonna LOVE winds and waves....

>>59430316
Mega >nothing > Tera > Dyna >>>>>>> Z-moves

>>59430792
you talk like a redditor.
is it normal for you to get triggered by everything?

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>>59430877
Imagine a regulation with everything in it no holds barred

>>59430856
I just like collecting Pokemon and keep a different one for each build. It's starting to get to what that other anon said though, but I'll be done once I can get my hands on a couple more shinies of my favorites

>>59430846
I'm having the same experience
it's probably disorientating to face ragtag favourites after being conditioned on meta plays and reads

I know that mtg arena had a matchmaking algorithm no one really understood but, in brawl, was supposed to pair you with decks of similar strength .
I wonder if it's the same here.

>>59430856
>with the rolls the game gives you (about 2.1 rolls per day + pass rewards) you should have almost everyone soonish
Mobile users are limited to 50 box slots max unless they buy the $50/year goypass. Accumulating pokemon from the gacha isn't really feasible because there's nowhere else for them to go, so your box quickly fills up.
Home does require a membership to store more than 30 pokemon, but it's way cheaper than Champions.

In Champions right now I have 20 pokemon from Home and 29 pokemon from the gacha, but I have an additional 30 pokemon in Home that I had put in Champions at some point (and may put back in in the future) and am continuing to add more.
In a roster of 250, 50 slots is not enough to experiment with.

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Fair enough. Understandable sentiment.

>>59429761
What would even be Grass signature weather? Pollen season?

>>59430913
>>59429761
You have grass terrain already, be quiet.

I've been using Bellibolt in Doubles recently and I'm very pleased with his performance.
I paired him with Mamoswine so he can freely use Parabolic Charge to heal himself off both the enemies at once.

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Found it.
>someone actually took it
Kek.

>>59430792
>>59430931
What happens if you try to transfer a pokemon with a banned name into Home, like through Bank or the like?
Does it make you rename it? Refuse the transfer? Reset the pokemon to the default name?

>>59430913
Poison needs weather, too. Air Pollution:
>poison status deals more damage over time
>toxic gets 1.5x DoT multiplier
>all poison moves never miss
>grass types cannot use priority moves

I hate the giraffe

>>59430879
>t. scorpio

How many pokemon got added in M-B?
Can we expect the same number in the next regulation?

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>legitimately caught
>no obvious signs of generating
>balltism
>English
>no obnoxious nickname
>>>>>male
Should I throw it back

>>59430977
>male
Don't forget that M-Delphox has a beard.

>>59429521
if only no retreat bumped each stat for 2

>>59430668
I just traded up to a Kingambit and no one really wants to trade down for it. I guess people are more stingy with their Gholdengo now. Doesn't really make sense since Gholdengo is infinitely obtainable and the only limit is patience. I guess the problem with trying to trade Kingambit is both are Scarlet Violet Pokémon and Kingambit is easier to obtain of the two. Maybe I'll try Sneasler.

>>59429521
>>59430987
Would Simple Beam Audino + No Retreat Falinks be worth it?
Would Falinks be good if he had +2 in every stat?

>>59430267
>player named Whimsicott
>no Whimsicott in his team

>>59430792
>no Curndumpster

>>59430999
Can't you read? He IS the Whimsicott.

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Should i put this on GTS for the inevitable Landorus T or something else

For those who want to poke around at good teams. There was money up for grabs and more than 4000 players, expect some of these at worlds.
https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournament/grandchampionsfestivalencore/standings

>>59431035
That was posted already you slowpoke

>>59431040
find the post will the link, reply with it.

I will not rest until I have traded for every female goodra in the GTS

someone post again on the strat to upgrade in gts.
Something along the lines of keep trading on gts or wondertrade for some fully evolved mon, go from that to scizor, scizor to slowbro, slowbro to something something then gholdengo? and then to box legendaries then to floette

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>Prankster Quash + Sleep Powder

can't wait until I reach masterball so I can go back to running shitty stall teams (no toxapex)

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>>59431065
>cancer + cancer

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This is my haul from Home trading so far. Which of these is actually good and which of these should I send back to trade for something else? I have doubts about Palafin. It doesn't seem as absurdly broken here as in Smogon 6v6. It just spams unga water but I already have a Basculegion and Swampert for that. Sceptile while I like it I think it would be hard to build around and it wouldn't actually perform well.

>>59431078
Tested palafin and he just kinda sucks in doubles.
I think maybe bss is his home, seen him a couple of times there.
I think feraligatr also suffers from basculegion syndrome. Life orb sheer force is a funny meme, but ehhh.

>>59431078
I love fake out last resort kangaskhan
I'd trade away Lucario because yellow piss colors. palafin is kinda like basculegion without a broken late game move and feraligatr is kinda underwhelming

hey, that big hairy guy from Phlly still around?!
im gonna be in the vicinity for the next days and would love to meet for some gaming and playing with eachothers pokeballs ;)
let me know, ill keep watch on this thread.

imagine if they keep megas and give us paradox pokemon

>>59431079
I have a soft spot for Mega Feraligatr and really want to make it work but it just lacks something. Maybe wave crash. Unironically maybe it would have benefited more from strong jaw and people were memeing that as the doom and gloom option. I think I would have to run dragon dance but I really don't like set up moves in doubles.

>>59431087
Is that better than Mega Kangaskhan? I have a soft spot for that one too and really want to use it but they killed all its tools so badly. If I do use Mega Kangaskhan I have no clue what to use as teammates. Maybe put coaching on something.

Yellow Lucario is pretty ugly but I was keeping him around for when they add Mega Lucario Z. The shiny for that is also ugly but let's be real the base is still pretty ugly.

>>59431112
removing power up punch and nerfing the damage of parental bond killed the mega
does not help that the stats are nothing noteworthy so might as well slap a silk scarf and nuke shit

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>>59430966
>t.

>>59431057
I wrote it originally but I think it's different now that I'm trying to figure it out again. I had to start from scratch because I accidentally traded a Gholdengo for a normal Baxcalibur then I crashed out and traded down so badly I basically started from scratch with Go trash.
>Go trash
>check wanted see if anyone wants it
>wonder trade throughout the day or do trade rooms if you want immediate results
>keep checking wanted in between
>trade up from breeding and Go trash to okay fully evolved
>stop using wonder trade and rooms exclusively use wanted and deposit
>trade that for easy to obtain meta Pokémon/fully evolved starters(preferably the Kalos specifically from Z-A)/more annoying evolutions like trade/Go legendaries
>Go legendaries for real legendaries or something more rare than box legends like Enamorus, Regieleki, Regidrago
>Z-A starters to meta Pokémon
>trade that up for meta Pokémon usually requiring DLC or a lesser bought game (Sneasler, Basculegion, Archaludon, Kingambit)
>if genuine Z-A Kalos starter you can be ballsy and try to go for Gholdengo
I'm stuck here at Kingambit because I got a decent one but no one fucking wants it. I think Kingambit is lower than the other 3 because it's a base game catch and shares availability with Gholdengo. But as soon as you get Gholdengo you basically periodically check wanted until you get a good shiny to put up for Floette. From Floette you can go the shiny you want or DLC paradox legends and blood moon Ursaluna. These get you virtually every Pokémon.

I think I got my kingambit/basculegion/sneasler just by trading intimidate littens

Genuinely can't believe Palafin is "balanced" in both official formats. The few times I fought one it wasn't a threat. They're forced to carry a combination of jet punch, wave crash and flip turn if not all of them. It's weak in zero form and it's extremely predictable that it's always going to switch out first turn. It has an okay move pool definitely better now but it can't afford to have those moves.

Belibolt needs a nerf.
Soak is too much.

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>Get to Master Rank with some actual bullshit

Now what?

>>59431179
>go on with your life
>participate in small tourneys like the monotype
>play bss
>play an actual game
idk bwo pick one

>>59431179
happened to me last season and now I can't even break out of ultraball 4

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>>59429724
>>59429754
this 100%.

another big issue is the lack of Fairy checks, given how slow the implementation of new pokemons have been to already slow roaster, fairies run rampart.
even Raichu Y is dropping Focus Blast for Dazzling gleam.

>>59430608
This team seems excessively bad against rain.

>>59430774
>so many random clauses it almost starts scrolling the chat window
Lmao.

>>59430774
>stadium announcer
Ok thats really cool, I guess champions doesn't have that because they want real commentators in tours

>>59431216
>fairy checks
steel, poison and bug mons not enough?

I was trying to remember why Sylveon wasn't everywhere in 2014 and just remembered that Hyper Voice wasn't available until ORAS.

>>59431269
all available ones are shit, hence sylveon runs rampart.
learn to read, fucktard.

>>59431262
>I guess champions doesn't have that because they want real commentators in tours
they cant have an option to turn off the announcer? guess we don’t have the technology yet, maybe one day!

>>59431302
It was really good in 2015 as well, in fact it put up results in any non-restricted format from 2015 through SwSh regulations. It was not great in SV, but there were other fairies people wanted to run.

>>59431302
your toxapex and scizor?

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>carries you to master nut
nothing personal, kid

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>>59431331
toxapex doesn’t counter nor is used against fairies, shitter
scizor is slow af and bullet punch doesn’t OHKO sylveon, not even in mega form in fact.

you seen many scizors around?
yeah me neither.

I wish there was a log of actions. I'm unsure on if this sneasler was quick claw or if my eruption somehow missed

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>>59431431
ok but scizor does not die from hyper voice either
not everything has to OHKO
or just run adamant hisui-goodra if you want to kill max hp max sp-atk sylveon, goodra at 0 sp-def investment it still dies in three hits

why did they make it so you can't encore an opponent who used encore?

damn I'm going to have to actually build around weather and speed instead of hard trick room since it's not working as well recently

>>59431477
why not?

>>59431463
>ok but scizor does not die from hyper voice either
but dies from sylveons partner, thats why no1 plays scizor.
come on now anon.

>>59431477
We told you that TR isn't the sauce in the higher ladder. There's no Caly Ice or Ursaluna to single handedly carry the strategy on their backs.

on one hand fuck mega charizard, but on the other hand at least it's the only reason mega metagross isn't everywhere

>>59431480
everyone has taunt now!

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>>59431431
>you seen many scizors around?
62 out of 235 is top 25% usage of pokemon

>>59431505
guess that anon was right. but nice "gatcha" there man

>>59431494
That and Metagross has to contend with Gambit as well as its own dire 4 move syndrome.
Do you run your stab priority move? Do you run both your STABS? Do you run a coverage move? Who do you want to cover for?
It struggles mightily.

>>59431505
How about in absolute usage?
1%?

>>59431509
retard

>>59431517
nice argument, guess ive been talking to a 12y old.
have a good day, "sir".

>>59431520
retard

>>59431480
I might just be unlucky but I've been fighting lots of teams that have pokemon that fight in trick room really well or just stall it out extremely hard.
>>59431491
Yeah I'm probably going to build some other teams in the meanwhile.
>>59431497
I've only ever actually seen taunt in less than 5 games total

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>>59431505

>>59430267
>sandstorm in 12th place
sandniggers we are so fucking back

>>59431542
hey man im not the dumb nigger crying about fairy in the big 2026

>>59430313
>Terrain isn't well thought out.
I often forget Terrains were introduced in Gen 6 instead of Gen 7 because without the Tapus auto-setting them up nobody ever bothered with them, whereas you'd at least see some past strategies with manual Rain Dance/Sunny Day set-up.

>>59431431
>bullet punch doesn’t OHKO sylveon, not even in mega form in fact.
checked this with the top 2 sylveon sets i see on the in game leaderboard
>32+ Atk Life Orb Technician Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 32 HP / 2 Def Sylveon: 203-242 (100.4 - 119.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>32+ Atk Life Orb Technician Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 18 HP / 10 Def Sylveon: 187-221 (99.4 - 117.5%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

>>59431490
and sylveon being the slowest means it dies to a double up

I recommend 16HP +29Def Sylveon, doesn't quite survive adamant dire claw any longer, but the 5 points in speed let it outspeed Chomp under Tailwind.

>>59431594
>Life Orb Technician Scizor
ok lol

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>>59431612
it's either that or swords dance mega scizor and at +2 sylveon isn't going to tank anything

>>59431612
as opposed to what? what else could you possibly be running on scizor if not its mega stone

>>59431423
I tried Orthworm and it felt like everything one-shot him before he could do anything.

milotic walls my mono ghost team so hard i'm starting to come up with retarded shit like sunny day sableye + solar blade aegislash just to get rid of it

Why should Pixilate give a 1.3x damage boost?
Isn't it enough that Sylveon and M-Gardevoir have access to STAB Hyper Voice at all?

>>59431646
It's 1.2x
Mega Mence ruined it for everyone.

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>Enemy milotic's hypnosis lands 4 times in a row

>>59431650
Well it's still too high.

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this won't work but I'll probably be happy if I win a match or two on casual doubles

>>59431658
What is Ariados supposed to do here?
That would be first on the chopping block.

>>59431658
Basically at a glance there's not enough offensive pressure. I think you need another TR threat and another fast powerful threat.
Yeah it may mean using a meta mon, but this team isn't it.

>>59431658
>no guard sheer cold
imo both pokemon are too frail to even manage to survive a turn. you might as well run fake tears on something with priority (liepard/meowstic if you want to be a hipster) and kill everything with Raichu

>>59431680
This, Raichu is easily the best mon on the team. Personally I like the scarfed female Basc using soak to just delete things.
Hatterene is a good TR mon, but it needs psychic terrain to do what it was born to do. Sylveon is always the better choice until Indeedee gets in.

>>59431680
>people aren’t allowed to have fun: the post

>>59431673
Poor mans rage powder user.

>>59431691
just play the team and stop being so autistic then

>>59431673
It's a cool spider. I thought it would be funny to have Dragon Cheer with Sniper I wanted to use Kingdra instead but it isn't in the game
>>59431677
I was thinking about switching Altaria for a faster dragon, but the Perish Song + Bastiodon's Block/Soundproof combo is too funny to not try.
>>59431680
They aren't really supposed to start together, so it might work as a surprise.

>>59431658
I also like the concept of bastiodon, but its typing is horrible and it has no way to do passive damage. Chomp is top 3 usage right now and because pex exists it's also running tantrum in addition to EQ.
If you want a wide guard user then Pex generally has you covered while having insane typing + passive toxic and infestation damage.
>>59431691
Then don't bother telling us about it. We want to hear success stories and those are usually told at IRL and big online tournies. We've had quite a few in the last several tournaments from Mega Steelix and classic DD Ttar, to Mamoswine/Toxapex, to Scovillain and Dusk Lycanroc.
If you figure out a way to make even one of the mons work at a high then that's a success, but slapping a bunch of bad mons on a team makes the opponent think you're an NPC.

>>59431709
>I thought it would be funny to have Dragon Cheer with Sniper
Even so, Barbaracle gets Sniper and literally every one of its stats is higher than Ariados except SpA.

>>59431680
>both pokemon are too frail to even manage to survive a turn
NTA, but I've been trying Anger Point + Frost Breath with a max-defense Mr. Rime and in my experience he's actually able to take a few hits. It's my Tauros who routinely gets raped before he can do anything.

>>59431712
>but its typing is horrible
Yeah. Hatterene is there for both Trick Room and Magic Powder to turn it into Psychic, doubt it will work but worth a try.
>Then don't bother telling us about it
Not that anon. I know the team is dumb
>>59431716
Barbaracle doesn't look as cool though.

>>59431712
>I also like the concept of bastiodon, but its typing is horrible and it has no way to do passive damage.
Yeah but poor oppressed Archaludon doesn't have Assault Vest and needs to have Rain for Electro Shot to not take two turns to be used :(

Bastiodon needs to check its privilege.

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>Chandelure with bright powder uses minimize
>Knock Off still lands

>>59431735
I guess you could run bastiodon to bait in fighting attacks and switch to female basc to soak + zap cannon next turn.
Raichu is a really good piece of this puzzle, it's just tough to sucker people in to the haha funny zap cannon/soak strat. You also must prevent opposing tailwind to make it work correctly.

>>59430971
About 20, of which only three are good.
Hard to say. We have two data points right now, the launch roster of about 160, and the single addition of 20. They are also still missing a dozen big items.

The moment I put taunt on my grimmsnarl is the moment everyone starts running mental herb

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>Mega beedrill poison jab one shots charizard y

>>59431801
wtf it's not mega meganium being one-shotted delete this anti-israel shoah right now you dirty goy

>>59431658
If you want No Guard + Sheer Cold with Mr. Rime, I would ditch Raichu and try Golurk instead. I think Mr. Rime/Incineroar/Mega Golurk could be a good start. Lead Rime + Incin for Fake Out + TR turn 1, then turn 2 Parting Shot to Golurk and Skill Swap into it. Then on turn 3 you have Mr. Rime and Mega Golurk ready to go.

>>59431801
Spoiler: it does not

>>59431820
Oh thank Remphan, I was about to call the IDF.

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>>59431820
Yeah turns out I just got lucky 3 times in a row

>>59431079
Palafin's problem is that Basculegion does Palafin, but better. It can do early game burst and late game cleanup. Palafin can't do early at all, and nothing is better late game cleanup than Last Respects.

>>59431826
Not only that, the bulky sets are more common because Zard doesn't miss out on 1 or 2hkos without much SpAtk investment.
High roll on the set I run from a 32Atk Adamant MBeedrill would do 77%.

>opponent venusaur sleep powders his own charizard
>forfeits
Yeah I'd quit too, that's an embarrassing ass misclick

>>59431476
Because his Encore would then Encore your Encore and you'd both be locked in.

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>>59431787
>20
>we have to wait 2.5 months for a batch of potentially just 20 pokemon

>>59431837
May Remphan strike that dirty goy down for insulting the great nation of Israel.

>>59431848
I mean there is a lot you could do with 20 Pokemon. If they added back the Tapus, Rillaboom, Indeedee, and Weezing that would be meta changing overnight. Or if they added the Treasures of Ruin. Even just adding back all the remaining Megas would be somewhat of a large change, as Mence has a favorable matchup into the common Zard comps.

>>59431866
This gimmick isn't drawing any dimes, brother

>>59431870
One thing that's hard to understand is that it's not Zard itself that's godly, but the fact that it can operate in so many different compositions.
I don't actually believe mega Mence would dethrone Zard Y short of use having a sub legendary meta. Lots of things KO Zard, Lycanroc Dusk can priority KO it.
Charizard's friends are just really, really good.

at first I laughed at people posting
>if i use strong teams it's boring because it's the same strats and if I try to use cool mons they can't do shit
but they were actually right. after climbing with ZardY I had to switch it up and damn

>>59431876
Well of course not shabbos goy.
We use Shekels!

>>59429724
>so many flashing lights im surprised TPC haven't been raided for causing mass epilepsy attacks
i'm not sure you understand what epilepsy is
champions does not have any kind of flashing lights that would even remotely cause this kind of thing
>>59429754
i think a dev said this would be tough to do in an interview because every update would break existing replays if the internal battle logic was changed or something
don't quote me on that but i wouldn't hold my breath for a replay feature ever happening

>>59431919
>every update would break existing replays if the internal battle logic was changed
Does the battle logic actually matter, though?
Replays aren't just "regular battle except executing pre-recorded moves" because there's no randomness. A move that hit will always hit in the replay, a move that missed will always miss, moves have no random damage variance, and so on.
Since a replay would already have to be recording exactly which pokemon used which move, whether it hit, how much damage it dealt, etc, then why would the game's battle logic matter at all?