Dozing Edition>I want to learn the game, where do I begin?Download PTCGL at https://tcg.pokemon.com/en-us/tcglThe game has a quick tutorial and a bunch of decent decks to get you started against other beginners or against the AI. Some of those decks are very close to meta too. You can also go to your local game store and see if people are playing Pokémon.>I know how to play, how do I make my own deck?You have a decent beginner's guide at https://www.justinbasil.com/guideThere's also the old /tcg/ guide at https://imgur.com/a/W4NkOu6After that, look up meta decks and try to reverse engineer them to see how things work.>Where to find meta decks?For big irl events, go to https://limitlesstcg.com/decksFor online events, go to https://play.limitlesstcg.com/decks?game=PTCGFor japanese events, go to https://pokecabook.com/archives/1417Previous thread: >>59438791Old /tcg/ pastebin: https://pastebin.com/Ge95YuMA
first for a cutie!
Lost a game to M-Excadrill with ToucannonZam because they milled me once. Also they were playing fucking HERO'S CAPE.
>>59455275
One of the biggest traits of the pokemon world is the resistance/weakness feature. To me it makes no sense that there are pokemon without them in the TCG.Especially when some shitty ass ones have and the big, important and competitive ones dont.Yes, this is in part about dragapult but also there are many others that only suffer from weakness and get no resistance, even when they clearly should have.How about a dark ex pokemon without weakness then, TPCI?! Would that be fair?
>>59455317Muh fairness lmao. Get Phantom Dived, little bitch.
>>59455317You're right, Grimmsnarl should have no weakness
>>59455317If you are worried about weakness, just play water(water) or bird types in this meta where lightning is terrible.
>>59454996looks ok to me
im tired of gengarslop there's like 3 gengars in the format right now print something else
>>59455275a tanky mill excadrill is what I've been thinking of trying out since the card was first revealed because theres a lot of healing support right now. It makes me wish the first attack did zero damage and milled an extra card instead
>>59455536It looks interesting to play with both gengars, like 4-3-2-2 or something like that.
>>59455710Sending 1 prize gengars to suicide destiny bond them while you target the bench is pretty toxic
The new Bastiodon plus TEF Gengar feels like a pretty toxic energy control deck, but is it too clunky to work? You're relying on two stage 2s, a stadium and tools (handheld fan) to get the whole thing working and if you lose any part of it you're kinda fucked.>>59455958You would need a way to keep accelerating energy to the active, but if you don't care about those Gengars getting damaged then either Tox+Pecharunt ex or Janine works well enough. You just need the energy recyclers to get them back into the deck each time you lose a Gengar.
>>59455317Weakness is the poorest designed mechanic in the game IMO. It feels like a hotfix solution if a certain card gets too powerful instead of coming up with better ways to beat it. It also sucks that there's no ways to remove it. My main decks are Garchomp and Zoroark so having unfavored matchups into most of the meta is rough. The fact that these grass decks aren't even favored into Dragapult is just punching down.
>>59456241Flat dmg weakness like pocket just feels utterly useless much like resistance. 2x is good but can feel way too oppressive at times2x would be less an issue if every type had a good deck, then they can all counter each other like the actual games. but some types just suck and then they're bullied by weakness even more. dark loses to grass but there's no fire decks around to bully the grass, so dark just suffers. water being irrelevant in the meta means lightning is useless and lightning loses to all the fighting around as well so it doesn't have a niche both ways I'd like to see more blend energy again to introduce 2 type to decks to cover their weakness. Not rainbow energy that's too universal and boring. Few decks actually use multi type anymore it's all monotype really now so weakness feels oppressive
>>59456443You're so right, that would definitely help with things. Most of the time I appreciate the challenge but matching Festival Lead as Garchomp and having to rely on opponent's dead draw instead of skill is so lame.
>Flip a coin, if head search your deck for a pokemonGod forbid we get a mamoswine reprint on a non-shit card
Few things genuinely piss me off as much as switching to a single-prizer deck and then queuing into nothing but niggers who never got the memo that everyone is off Budew. I should be allowed to kill people.
>>59456568I'm so tired of coin flip shit can we just play a normal fucking game
toad is so backwhere's my laser and virbank
>>59456931>50% chance to block a stadium bump against watchtower or legendary volcanoDevilishBut it is probably still bad unless you get the lock set up turn 2.
>>59456931Trash, almost nobody plays trainets from their feet.
>>59456931>>59456568>Flip a coin>Flip a coin>Flip a coin>Flip a coin>RNG top X cards>RNG top X cards>Flip a coinFUCK OFF POCKET
>>59456958Did you say flip a coin?
>>59455958Lore accurate Gengar enjoyer strategy
>>59456975Im thinking about the decklist, something like4-3-2-2 gengar3-3 toxtricity2~3 munkidori1 fez, 1 pecharunt, 1 baby yveltal(maybe 1-1 dudun?)4 poffin, 3 pokepad, 3~4 ultraball, 2 stretcher, 2 air balloon, 1 energy switch, 1 switch4 lilie, 2 judge, 1 boss, 1 lana, 1~2 wally, 2 gimmsley, 1 petrelunfair stamp8~9 dark energythoughts?
>>59457577OH SHIT it needs like 1~2 candies too I guess? So no space for more than 2 munkis and no dudun, maybe even cut to 2-2 toxtricity
tips against venusaur as any deck?
>>59457697kill it with fire
>>59457703he can still win the prize race
Any fun (not necessarily good) hand rip Pokémon right now? Been away from the game for a while but I always liked playing with pic related
Is there anywhere other than etsy to get good proxies for old cards? I want to just get holos of all the cards from the original sets up to the end of like Neo Destiny but the proxy site I use for magic only does like full card holos
Megas with only one attack is such a dumb thing. They are already a liability in the prize race, and you cant even give a simple attack such as >1 energy: 30 damage, draw a cardOr any fucking ability like>this pokemon is immune to confusionFor real? Even the basic ass slowpoke one has something like that.
>>59457854Mega Absol was the only meta option. It fell off recently but its not that bad compared to other options such as pic related
>>59457854>>59457933Theres this one too but its very limited as well. And Xerosic supporter, quite the troll sometimes but usually its not a game changer. Anyone with a lot of cards in hand and not using them probably had a dead hand anyway.The later the game the more likely the opponent will simply keep their win-con cards and ditch the rest.
bump
really don't know which dragapult variant to stick toblaziken's inconsistency is killing me
>>59458473>ewww I don't hit candy pult candy blaziken munkidori dark turn two ooooh i can't deal with how inconsistent it issss
>>59459053sorry that i don't want to throw a tournament playing your scrimblo deck
blaziken dragapult is literally a scrimblo deck
>>59459076Blaziken is soft-scrimblo.
>>59459087what would you suggest that is less scrungo?
We will die to dragapult. We will die to munkidori. but we will have fun trying!
>>59459091Pultnoir.
>>59459115>4 igglyBuff, 4 budew, a precious trolley and a dream.
>>59459280>just rely on rng hammers to wineven then, rare candy pult noir seems weaker than blaziken
>>59459299you are never playing candies in pultnoir and you don't need hammers to win with the deck outside of the mirror. the blaziken is for specific match ups while dusknoir is good overall into every match up.
>>59459406>don't need hammers>never playing candiesthen what do
>>59459413Have you tried clicking Phantom Dive and Adrena-Brain? That usually helps.
>>59459481>clickingi play in real life
>>59459507That's a great way to dodge the question. Maybe you should try a different deck in real life.
>>59459515ok retard what if i can't adrena brainwhich is often the case with pultnoir and blaziken dragapultlike not everyone is a retarded dumbass like you that leaves damage for dragapult and instead tries to 0hko it
>>59459299Pult doesn't rely on hammers, they are a freebie as they cost virtually nothing (card advantage is almost limitless on pult).The real power play is noir into red card, that fact you decide when to decimate your opponent's hand is really powerful. Also I have seen most lists include a rare candy for a quick noir or even offensive pult.
>>59459604how's this? too many rare candies? this is what i would use if i had to play pultnoir in real life
>>59459526Play a different deck. Stay mad.
>>59459627>two HammersYou may as well not run them at all. 0 or 4.
>>59459627I'd rather run no hammers and add another budew, another munki or a moltres (pick 2 according to local meta)Another option is if there are too many pults around then remove the candies and complete the hammer playset.Also I prefer running ruins over jamming tower.
>decide to finally give N's Zoroark a try>Grass, Grass, Grass, Grass, GrassDone. Already deleted. Fuck this.
>>59459675my local meta has 3 zoroarks, 2 venusaurs, 2 dragapults (3 with me), 2 or more mstarmie, 1 mega lucario with maximum belt, 2 or 3 festival leads, lopunny and usually 3 or more tr mewtwoa lot of them use tools so i opted for jamming toweri like the idea of no hammers no candy dusknoir though
>>59459703
>>59459115And get destroyed by Starmie and Greninja after rotation
>>59459877>And get destroyed by Starmie and Greninja after rotationDoes anyone actually play these? I only do to get the PTCGL dailies, otherwise they are kind of jobberish. The only way you have a chance is if your opponent bricks their first 2-3 turns.
>>59459904We'll see after the rotation. Marnie's Grimmsnarl will lose Froslass, so both decks seem to be the only good options for spread.
>>59459937Not only Froslass, but Munkidori as well. Grimmsnarl is going to be garbage unless they reprint a spread aid, and going off of recent sets nothing good is ever going to be printed again.
>>59459413if you're properly playing the deck or you aren't dead drawing you should have a pult and at least a duskull in play by turn 3 which is fine because pult isn't an aggressive deck. just go first or use itchy pollen in the early game
NO ice cream
>>59460272this might get tested in grimmsnarl because I think the deck has a problem with mega excadrill due to the ice creams
>>59460147how good is your deck vs the ones i mentioned and would you add shaymin for mstarmie, wellspring and grimmsnarl? would you be willing to share your list?
The 30th set honestly looks pretty strong, although I don't know that I've seen everything yet. Probably nothing that dethrones pult but there are things that will see play.
I haven't found a single new deck that I actually enjoy playing. Sneak felt like a wash after realizing it has massive issues with draw power, Festival Lead just isn't fun, N's Zoroark is practically an auto-loss to every Grass deck, and Toucannon feels soft as baby shit. I really might just go back to playing Pult.
>>59461358>N's Zoroark is practically an auto-loss to every Grass deck,I wish there was another Dragon deck on par with Dragapult. Weakness is my least favorite part of this game, so I usually end up playing Dragons if a good deck comes out.
>>59461364While I agree weakness is a shitty system and at the very least it should be an additive damage modifier and not multiplicative, dragon should 100% be weak to water in this game and it's retarded that it isn't.
Dragapult having no weakness isn't the issue. Many decks can deal with 330 hp >Have built in draw engine >Lets you cheat in extra cards like hammers>Draw engine is the best one in the game too>Budew lets you slow them down while you abuse this draw engine>Then you can exodia sweep their entire board with spread+ghosts in one attack It's no different from lost box in that regard, you play it slow then wipe out all their resources but the biggest and most obvious issue is>They refuse to print any good new cardsOf course 3 year old cards will be the meta ones when newly released cards aren't even beating ones from a year or 2 agoGardevoir may have been oppressive too but they at least kept printing good cards after so the meta kept changing. That's not the case here. Storm emerald sucks. 30th celebration is a complete flop after seeing most the leaked cards. The meta simply will not change until Dec/Jan.It's not even dragapults fault in this regard, it's the PTCI for doing such a poor job with designing new cards and yet people will defend them for reducing powercreep. At the cost of everyone suffering the same exact meta each year??!? I'd sooner want powercreep in an everchanging meta than a completely stale one that remains the same for the entire rotation
>>59459115You have Poltchageist, which is immune to both effects
>>59457854Gourgeist ex and Cursed Words Banette is my hand control deck of choice
I love my wife Erika's deck
>>59460272>ActiveThis isn't THAT goodI guess Darkbox could run one of these to deal with meme wall decks but otherwise all this will do is make it even more important for every deck that's not Darkbox to run at least 2 Switch
>>59461994I guess it is good that they are printing a lot of cards that force you to play switches.Mew-ex can copy stunfisk then unown to take 3 prizes on meowth (30+140).Unown is pretty weak without munki or froslass damage.
>>59461994you can probably use this in decks that use psychic or prism energy to get 2 prize cards against budew
So what qualifies the different condition rankings for cards like between heavily played, damage etc. I was going through my old original cards just to see the value of them and I get holographic cards being price but I have a bunch of Rare non holo versions of cards and when I look at the value it depends on the condition.Example I have a rare non holo fossil Gengar and the damaged price is 9 USD but Mint is 95. Its certainly not mint condition seeing as its 25 years old but I wouldn't say its damaged
>>59462133>Would be perfect with a psychic patch + attachment>oops itchy pollen no acceleration!
https://www.elitefourum.com/t/30c-30th-celebration-september-16-2026-tpci/62676/167>50hp remainingGreat way to pre-emptively nerf the card. Was volcanion zoroark really going to break the meta?
>>59462264I forgot that you only need one magmortar, with volcarona as a burn option instead of volcanion-ex. 50hp remaining is still an unnecessary drawback.
>>59462264>Beside mew ex there's not a single good card hereIt really will be dragapult all the way until 2027...
>>59462264>>59462271How big of a meme is volcanion? I like status shenanigans and want more things to try out
>>59462343It's a 3-retreat fatass
Forgotten..
>>59462295Dragachads STAY winning. Cope and SEETHE trannies!!!
>>59462264>>59462295>Celebrations 25th at least had a handful of meta changing cards>These 30th ones suck, like genuine bulkCollectors really ruined the gameplay, they're pondering to them instead of the players now. Cards with lengthy abilities or attack effects would look bad on a full art so everything is now theme deck bulk
>>59462528I'm only missing metal Goldchu and my 25th Celebrations set is complete, every large TCG con I go to and they don't have and for the extremely rare chance that they do they're charging way above Ebay prices for itI've seen more popular shorts Jewtubers giving/trading free cards and slabs to kids and the occasional random than metal Goldchu
Hear me out: mega starmie was a mistake, it should have been a mega scizor instead.Same attacks, but metal instead of water.First attack reminds me too much of Bullet Punch, and the shred on the second attack is literally Magnet Bomb (bypassing accuracy checks)?!
>>59462603Water mons are usually the snipe attackers. Scizors cards historically have been 3 archetypes>Punishing opponents for having a certain effects (abilities/basic/special energy >Taking reduced damage (typical steel type)>Discarding energy/toolsPokemon tend to keep to their identity gimmicks in the TCG. Like greninja is always doing some locking or sniping shenanigans. Gardevoir is always accelerating energy. Dragapult is always sniping the bench. Ho'ol is about reviving and multitype energies. If you take the time to look at a pokemon you often see a common theme among their cards throughout history
They should reprint gardevoir ex alongside her attackers and utility items to combat the pult dominance. Make her regulation h so she leaves at the same time as pult.
>>59463029with all the metal going around it wouldn't be a bad idea, maker her a one prizer non-ex 130 hp and keep diancie, cleffairy, spectrier as well as the other psychics and maybe even mega gardevoir
>>59463029Shut the fuck up bitch
>>59463029We should shoot you in the head.
>>59463029can we reprint Lugia Vstar too
>>59463313would it even be good without Archeops?
>>59461206I just net deck the highest placing pultnoir lists and maybe change one or two cards so my list is basically the same as ones you can find on limitless. As for the decks you mentioned I haven't played against some of them enough since they're more niche but the times I have played against them on ladder they seemed winnable. For zoroark it comes down to who the better player is because it's a 50/50 to slightly unfavorable for pult and you need to know the lines. For lucario it's fine if you can slow them down in the early or mid game and you don't open up meowth. Festival lead is an insanely easy deck to beat. TR mewtwo isn't too hard to beat considering how often they brick. As for shaymin if there's a lot of slowking or wellspring then yeah it's worth making space because it forces them to actually play the game. I wouldn't really use it for grimmsarl because it's more of a liability and what's more likely to be important is to have the munkidori advantage than stopping the 30 bench snipe but I could be wrong. You don't need jamming tower for any of these decks. Ruins like another anon mentioned feels much more stronger against them and in general right now
slow players are genuinely the most annoying subhumans to the point that I would rather concede than deal with them, so I guess they DO win after all
>>59463313Can someone explain to me how that card was considered so good? I had just started playing when it rotated out. Hitting 220 for 4 energy seems garbage but I assume it was used in a different context
Stupid piece of busted shit faggot client made by retards.
>>59463417300 with all 4 C energy. Plus choice belt. 330 let's your 2prizer ko 3prizers. And there was an instant ko 1prize yveltal. And bonus prize stoutland or spread Raikou vs 1prizers. The deck could beat everything but ability lock because you were attaching 5 special energy per turn.It was awful it F-on because all the special energy rotated
>>59463417>Hitting 220 for 4 energy seems garbage but I assume it was used in a different contextLugia wasn't what you were attacking with, it was only there to summon two Archeops. Archeops let you meet otherwise impossible energy costs for free to use powerful attacks. You could attack with Charizard on turn 2 if you wanted.
>>59463417It evolves into lugia vstar, lugia vstar has an ability that lets you put any 2 colorless pokemon into play for freeYou used that to put 2 archeops into play, archeops has an ability that lets you search your deck for 2 special energy and attach them to your pokemon. So you can attach 4 special energy a turn + manual attachment. With how broken special energy were you could use any attacker you wanted.
>>59463353share full list
>>59461790List? I've been trying to make this work but keep bricking.
>>59463583Pokémon: 151 Meganium MEP 11 Erika's Bellsprout ASC 41 Meganium MEG 104 Erika's Tangela ASC 71 Erika's Victreebel ASC 64 Erika's Weepinbell ASC 53 Erika's Bellsprout ASC 41 Erika's Vileplume ex ASC 31 Erika's Oddish ASC 12 Bayleef MEG 92 Chikorita MEG 81 Shaymin DRI 1851 Erika's Gloom ASC 21 Erika's Victreebel ASC 61 Erika's Victreebel ASC 6Trainer: 141 Lana's Aid TWM 2074 Bug Catching Set TWM 1434 Lillie's Determination MEG 1841 Secret Box TWM 1631 Gwynn PBL 1092 Brave Bangle PBL 1044 Forest of Vitality POR 1091 Sacred Ash DRI 1681 Boss's Orders PAL 2651 Boss's Orders ASC 2563 Gwynn PBL 1193 Poké Pad POR 1131 Sacred Ash POR 1151 Poké Pad POR 81Energy: 17 Basic {G} Energy MEE 1Total Cards: 60
>>59463546It's mostly the same 60 as the naic list.
H block has to be the most toxic poorly designed set of cards I've ever seen- and I've been playing since Tag Teams were new.
>>59464034and yes I'm mad after losing a few games in a row to Budew spamming until I brick.
>>59462528>lengthy abilities or attack effects don't equal good or playable cards. Collectors care more about scarcity than aesthetics, very few of them have an actual taste and mostly follow trends.
are you new? try buddy buddy poffin
>change two [2] cards in deck including one i have literally never used in practice for theoretical consistency>get into the exact match i would have wanted that card immediately after>brick city for days otherwiseIts like i'm really playing pocket.How often do you guys fiddle with your decks?
>>59464122Not that often unless it's a new deck I'm playing. I'm at the point in my main deck where I don't think I can justify changing anything in it that isn't just adding/removing a shaymin or something for some FOTM bullshit people are playing
>Put new sleeves on deck>Brick every other match for the first tourney>Everything goes back to normal at the next tournamentThis has consistently happening for the last 1.5 years that I have been playing pokemon tcg.Outright peculiar.
>>59464419I can explain, but it requires an open mind.Objects can hold onto experiences and memories. Your old sleeves have soaked up all of the good luck and positive energy. The new sleeves are blanks, nothing has been written into them yet and they're not carrying any of your past successes. They don't know anything yet.This is also why some people feel like they have a cursed or unlucky playmat.
>dont play for a few weeks>boot up live>first match is into my worst matchuplol
>>59464859Indians have known this for millennia, the reason your ass gets imprinted on your chair is because of physical memories. How this affects luck is debatable but let's say stuff gets used to the way you play.
I'm going to worlds next month but I've been so out of practice since the regular league play ended after NAIC, surely there's something decent to play other than pult
>>59463029reprint guzma while we're at it
Preparing for every single faggot I know to be running Darkrai or Excadrill for the next 6 months. Grimmsnarl already screws both decks up. How can I make it even better?
>Bulk filler raikou got the SIR>Not the actually playable mega malamar i hate collector pondering i hate collector pondering
>>59465311Yep, everyone is sleeping on mega darkrai but it easily one shots pult and it's trivial to charge up with toxtricity. And if you don't have bell in hand for some reason you can still boss up a supportmon and use dusk raid for guaranteed 2 prizes.Also there is a secret tech running around using lysia appeal to cuck out kangaskhan abusers.
