World Champion edition Pokémon Champions is a free to play online battle simulator available on Switch and mobile. It features ranked, casual and private battles for both singles and doubles, and will be used for VGC tournaments in 2026.>NewsReg MC is now live. Baltimore Regionals September 18-20th>Resources and useful linksCommunity Tournaments usage data: https://pikalytics.com/Ladder usage data: https://pokechamdb.com/enNew Player Guide(NEW PEOPLE READ THIS):https://rentry.org/pcg-guide (now taking suggestions and feedback)Anon made guide for brand new players to make a viable team with the starting pokemon: https://teamsheet.gg/t/sample-beginner-reg-b-vl3698 (Needs to be updated for Reg MC)Quick FAQ>Do I need my own Pokémon to play?No, the game features a recruitment system, but transferring from Home is recommended to save time and resources.>What makes the game so much more accessible than before?All aspects of a Pokémon are customizable with VP, a currency earned simply by playing the game. IVs are also removed.Ask in the thread if you want any specific Pokémon, and someone will respond.>Is there single player content?No.>Do I need a Nintendo Online subscription?No.>What's the starter pack?US$6.99 one time purchase for 50 training tickets (fully train for free), 30 Teammate Tickets (recruit Pokemon without using VP), 50 extra box space and the LGPE trainer music. Only available on Switch for now.>Is anything locked behind a paywall?So far everything gameplay relevant is also purchasable with VP. Only E-Floette require ZA transfer.>/pcg/ OP pastebin (use this if making new thread): https://pastebin.com/d2FJZdPhPrevious >>59585372
>>59588208This is today btwhttps://victoryroad.pro/vr-sep26/
>fraudchomp z>fraudsol z>fraudcario z
>>59588218you shut your whore mouth !
>put xchu on my team >haven't seen a terrain team in 10+ matches hmmm>make changes to team and have less fire coverage>face hard tr team full of steel typeswhy does this game do this shit?
>>59588210spikechads we can finally copy teams soon!
>Walls Sneedsler>Walls Mence>Walls Floette>Walls Rilla>Immune to fake-out spam>Shits on Psy-spamGoldy boy is looking really nice this regAt least until people start running coverage moves
>>59588241are you somehow not running into a million fire types? anyway I like Corviknight more, it walls the same things but also sets tailwind and heals itself
>>59588208Mega Salamence sand wins the first offline MC event. https://x.com/y0ssh1_pkmn/status/2098726464573301187?s=20
>>59588260charizard usage has dropped due to new toy syndrome. its gonna pick back up for baltimore. dengo has been seen on sand comps anyways like>>59588261also these are they usage stats for day 1 of the japanese offline tour
>>59588261>>59588263Top 8
>>59588283sneasler is just cringe at this point. thank fuck the faggot cup and giraffe are on a small break. my blood pressure rises every time they appear on my screen
>>59588208
So, when's the next /pcg/ tournament?
is mega feraligatr just totally unplayable? I haven’t seen it since like launch week but it’s such a cool poke
>>59588261Anon told me sand is dead though...
>BSS
>>59588348There's just no reason to use it over base gatr
>>59588348Opportunity cost is fucked up, hard hitting dragon + water physical is not a very lacking niche without using your mega so it taking up your slot is very meh
>>59588356>>59588361is base gatr at least decent?
>>59588261Who are you supposed to bring M-Salamence with? Non-mega Ttar?
>>59588363Not really
>>59588283
>>59588363decent enough that some jap took it to champ tier in M-B
>>59588348I'm trying it now with decent success.
>>59588371Sand already won anon
>used the same BSS team since past 2 or so seasons>want to try something new>keep getting walled and countered by things>lose a bunch>go back to my old team again>still works okayI have more fun and success experimenting in doubles. I somehow built a BSS team right the first time but never replicated it again. It doesn't help that there's no resources for it besides in game and that doesn't help with the actual team building part because it people always pair everything with the most used.
how do i deal with whimsicott?how do i deal with archaludon?
>>59588394fake out or take your free turnsneedler or aura sphere or earth power
>>59588295kek
>>59588394>how do i deal with archaludon?i use mence balance and its tricky. you have to get a bunch of calls right, and position yourself to where you can KO it with a double up. I have draco on my menece so its draco + CC or if i cant do that, i work towards en endgame basc. DO NOT GIVE IT DEF BOOSTS BEFORE YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO DOUBLE IT YOU WILL LOSE>how do i deal with whimsicott?hyper voice + e speed. not much of an issue
>>59588425i don't get how i'm supposed to fit all of that on a decent balance team
>>59588462mence, sneas, harc, basc are the only ones i mentioned here
122 SpA Salamence-Mega Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 6 SpD Golisopod-Mega: 352-416 (99.4 - 117.5%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
>>59588208>go on bo3 ladder>75% chance you will play some sort of mence team>go on champions ladder>75% chance you will see some sort of mence teamAnons here told me that salamence would be shit...
>>59588464why are you using the old calc system? its 32 evs max now.
So what the hell does grassy terrain do besides healing everyone a bit and boosting grass moves? It feels so useless compared to psychic terrain blocking all priority moves. Or Sun and Rain in general.
>>59588468both ladders have been mence, pod rain, and psyspam. a variant of one of those three, and the occasional MB team
>>59588477it halves the damage of earthquake, magnitude, and bulldoze. used to turn nature power turns into energy ball but that move was removed from the game
>>59588210>>59588210>>59588210this starts in 8 minutes. lots of top players in these
>>59588477The terrain itself isn't that great, Rillaboom is just really good
>>59588477hating on the wrong terrain
>>59588477grassy terrian is probably the worst of all the terrians, rillaboom carries it. probably intentional. imagine if water type moves where halved like misty terrian halves dragon type moves
Sun and Rain are just in different leagues compared to other field conditions
>>59588463where's your speed control, redirection, or special attacker
>>59588489>imagine if water type moves where halved like misty terrian halves dragon type movesSun already does that. It should half all ground types instead of just earthquake/bulldoze/magnitude
this is a snow general
*Sand
Name a better duo
>>59588501Replace left with Sneedsler
>>59588470it’s what is on the showdown calculator anon
>>59588495>speed control,Tailwind on mence>redirectiondont have it, double fake out makes up for it>special attackersalamence
>>59588505use thishttps://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/
>>59588300I'm looking more forward to the next draft league personally.
>opponent is chinese/korean/japanese>lose
>>59588509do you not have protect on salamence
Imagine if Ttar was rock/dragon
>>59588535dont nerf my guy like that
>>59588534protect, hyper voice, draco, tailwind.
>>59588540>6 weakness instead of 7>No 4x weakness to fightingHow is it a nerf exactly
>>59588546Offensively dark mogs dragon
>>59588546dragon is a shit stab and now he gets walled by dengo, gross, tcha, etc. and gets prankstered
>>59588546ghost resist and psychic immunity are good to havehaving one 4x weakness isn't actually a big deal since you can just avoid itmany of the strongest pokemon are despite having glaring 4x weaknesses (mence, gambit, zard, pod, sneasler, garchomp, etc.)
>freeze opponent>lol they thawed -0 turns :^)
>>59588546dragons are cringe
>>59588535famously meta dominant tyrantrum
>>59588565Give Tyrantrum Sandstream and T-tar's stats and he would dominate the meta
>>59588477It removes psychic terrain. Almost all terrains are nonsensical and not well thought out. You can't build a "grassy terrain team" if it only really benefits grass types. Misty terrain is stupid and has no reason to exist.>>59588489Misty terrain exists. If not for paradox Pokémon then electric terrain would barely have any use at all. It only prevents sleep which misty terrain also does.
Two pokemon that got massive buffs just because of the new pokemon added:Raichu X now has a role as a terrain overwrote and risong voltage enabler for Toxtricity.Noivern is the new best tailwind setter for its ability to outspeed and one shot salamence with dragon pulse.
>>59588571the question is why would i pick toxt for volt spam when i can just spam overdrive with no setup
>>59588571They are niche at best, pairing another electric type with Raichu is just Garchomp food and outspeeding Salamence isn't enough to make Noivern viable
>>59588484Any stream?
archaludon is proof that there is no god
God protect the arch is so gay with grass terrain>teehee hope you stacked special attackers
>>59588501Who is that Jobber Cat, I only know Sneed
>>59588580Rising votage does way more damage and one shots things overdrive has no chance to one shot>>59588585Vern can kill chomp too. Not chomp z though. Whims and dactyl feel weak right now. After looking at all the tailwind setters that could replace whims I feel certain Vern is in the best spot right now.
>>59588605This is why the format needs a ground-type special attacker like Ursaluna-Bloodmoon.
>>59588614Theres a bunch of pokemon that can kill it with earth power already such as hydreigon and skeliderge.
>>59588614If only gamefreak werent so afraid of making garchomps megas strong
>>59588620wow anon those pokemon are really good......
>>59588605the absolute dearth of special ground types is singlehandedly keeping arch in the big leagues
>>59588625Those are good pokemon. They certainly arent bad pokemon.
>>59588208VR TEAMShttps://pokestats.top/championships/vr20260912/standings
>it's another "cholorophyl sleep powder venusaur" episode
>>59588535I know Ttar has terrible typing, but that would be even worse. Dark is so good.
Venusaur can also kill arch with earth power come to think of it.
>>59588638True. Stab knockoff is the scariest thing about ttar.
>>59588640i already have rillaboom on my team
>>59588629Gastrodon is not allowed to be in the game because Timmy will cry if Swampert can’t attack
>>59588633Interesting to see Hisuian Arcanine, Milotic and Rilla together. I'm running exactly that and it works incredibly well.
>I want Gastrodon!Enjoy not being able to kill Zard Y anymore
>>59588654Gastrodon is immune to Rock Slide?
>>59588633I'm surprised more people aren't running Froslass or Baxcalibur when Salamence is on every team.
very engaging gameplay
>set up roost corviknight with inci rilla cycling>milotic>coba berry cornfuck off with this bullshit on champions ladder
>>59588659Should have used mega scovillain so there would be burn animations too.
>>59588646implying swampert gets to attack with rillaboom in the game
>>59588610Jolteon is better for that
>>59588675Not really since Tox has way better coverage moves and abilities. Can take out sneasler and rillaboom with pyschic noice and sludge boom and has punk rock to resist hypervoice spam from salamence.
>>59588693>tanking a flying movejolt can already do this>taking out sneedlerrising voltage already does this>rillalives and clicks horse
>>59588709Rilla does not live a sludge bomb from Tox unless maybe they went max hp max SpD. Ive never seen one survive it
>>59588610Noivern is that Pokemon that always sounds decent on paper but sucks in practice. For an offensive Tailwind setter its stats are bad, it needs Draco Meteor and Hurricane to pick up KOs and doesn't even have the option off Fire Blast to do better damage to steel types.
Lando I saves this format
Fluttermane saves this format
Magearna saves this format.
Calyrex saves this format
My beautiful daughter Lilligant saves this format.
>>59588716Its been winning some hard games for me. I just had a game where it one shot the salamence with dragon pulse turn 1, set up tailwind and then got their tanky rage powder sinistcha to half hp with dark pulse. It felt so strong in that game. That was my first game using it though desu.
>>59588633MegaScovGODS...
am I the only one that thinks Rillaboom is kinda overrated? It feels like he never does anything important and just fucking dies to everything>BUT HE WON TOURNAMENTSyeah on slop big 6 teams
>>59588729>32 SpA Noivern Dragon Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Salamence: 132-156 (77.6 - 91.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>>59588733he is the big 6
>>59588736Could be a Naive nature, no?
seems like mence balance paired with calm mind floette is the current mence balance build
>>59588261sandniggers our time has come!
>>59588742>this is why i've been seeing arma-deedee menceslop todaymotherfucker
>>59588740I suppose, but even that only makes it around a 5/50 KO
how annoying salamence seems to depend entirely on how much my opponent is willing to actually respect ice beam coverage and not go for greed kills
>terrains were less broken when only legendaries had themWhat the fuck went wrong
>>59588759What I like about Mence is that it's easier to wall Flying types moves, and there's way less Rock Slide because it's only 2x weak to it.
>>59588769yeah mence meta is a huge boon to all the already strong steel types that just shrug that shit off i think zard will come back hard when people are tired of getting walled by them
>>59588764they just fucked up with the terrain movesglide/expandong >>> rising/shitty explosion
>>59588764Monke
basculegion is so strong but playing it is so boring lead flip turn, save it in the back until gambit is dead? daring today, aren't we
>>59588778I do not use whimsicott, aerodactyl, zard, mence, fish, sneed, or incineroarI'm seeing how high I can climb with mpinsir and ftauros
>>59588778You're playing the format that has Kingambit, Sneasler, Incineroar, Rillaboom, Basculegion, Gholdengo, Mega Salamence, and Mega Floette.It's gonna be boring.
i liked tera cause it made fun shit mons usable and you got cool teams out of it.
>>59588786tera was a bad gimmick and more of a bailout button. also rewarded bad team building, that entire marco sun team from reg h is a prefect example.
How do you get cucked out of Knock Off and Pursuit, yet still end up dominating both singles and doubles?
>>59588778Y'know until recently I kinda forgot that Basc is just as good in the early game as he is in the late game. 90% of my games since m-c started have been leading basc+pod and pivoting into arch to start boosting turn 1.
Is this game easy to get into? I havent played multiplayer since X and Y
>>59588796Exceedingly
>>59588796Yes, you don't need breeding autism because you can just edit their stats in the game.And overcentralizing meta like this is easier to get into because you don't need to memorize that many mons.
>>59588798Can i get / use all pokemon in the game without the switch games?
>>59588800having a switch makes it a lot easier, you also need a switch to get floette (best mega in the game right now)
Is it possible to make Alcremie work? I just discovered this thing and it looks kind of endearing, gonna try to catch a min size Milcery in Violet to import to Champions
>>59588813it uses decorate and then dies so it's like any coaching user but 10x worse
Yeah, I'm thinkin its m-Camerupt's turn.
The Megas are called "Z" because they're going to end up with zero use.
>>59588813it'd be alright outside of a kingsneed format
>cucks blastoise
What are the most common EVs for Rillaboom and Indeedee? Or at least, what do you run? I need to run some calcs against them.
what does floette even do now
>>59588839rillaboom - depends on what you need it to doindeedee - max hp max def. mainly for life orb basc
>>59588842make mences carry double edge again in the future
>>59588842calm mind set up sweeper, paired with mence or phox
when pawmot mega mence hit the field I can feel my opponent shit their pants
Leftovers mence with tailwind, dragon dance, dragon claw. Combined with rillaboom and mega froslass. Good game.
>>59588843So harambe comes in both speedy and bulky variants in roughly equal measure? Annoying but I'll keep that in mind.
>>59588793Sucking DICK
>>59588736Dead after a fakeout
____ used Hyper Voice!
>>59588363>good attack>good bulk>good ability>good speed>ok coverageHe's good, but you're probably already running Basculegion or Blastoise as your water type.
https://circuit.victoryroad.pro/tournament/vr-september-challengeteams for VR
>>59588884https://www.twitch.tv/joeux9
dragapult is fucking crazy now
>>59588884This is 4-0?
Could glaceon be good in this meta?
Primarina is writhing cunt
>>59588920
I feel so sad for the fox, it was one of my favorite megas and now it>gets outclassed by better psyspammers>charizard is better for heat wave spam as it doesn't need setup>mence fucks it up>walled by fucking armarouge of all things>needs ten billion redirectors just to do half of what other spread attacking megas dowhy did they give it levitate
>>59588829>>59588937Isn't Charizrd keeping it in check?
>wolfey golisopod video>it's actually a gardevoir video after the first couple games
>>59588973>meme pokemon team with a strong mega/pokemon to back it up>turns into just using the strong mega/pokemon every game insteada classic
>>59588972I haven't seen a single Charizard since the update.
Now that the dust has settled, how are we feeling about Garchomp Z? GOAT or BUM?
I don't understand enough about team building to participate in the fun meta scramble that comes with a new set
Any sites that actually have stat spreads for teams available? I wanna make one team and just stick with it. I was thinking a balance team with raichu y. Theres so many steel types and focus blast seems nice into all that shit
>"Doubles are REAL pokemon">same 3 heavy hitters on each team>same terrain and weather setters>trick room exists>have to know exactly what your opponent is playing is so you can predict their moves>can't just show up with random bullshit because you won't even get to do shit Singles has issues too but at least I can show up with an Aurorus and watch it body a mega salamence
>>59588980>Hey check out this cool obscure mega evo team>It's actually a Basc/Gambit/Sneed team where the mega is just a cheerleader or a niche counter
>>59589000half the time you can take old team A and slot in whatever new good mons you want to try
>>59588995pretty bad but weirdly good into top picks like salamence
>>59589000just play something fun bro
>>59589005scarf + speed nature outspeeds neutral max speed salamence
>>59589017If you have to waste your mega slot and garchomp just to counter mega mence then your team is irredeemable to begin with and you should be starting from zero.
>>59588995dragapult with extra steps
>>59589038More like with less steps.Garchomp Z wishes it had half as good as utility and special movepool as Dragapult has.I never realized how barren Garchomp movepool was until this.
>>59588847they had the chance to retcon intimidate off base mence and they really said nah
>>59589000ask chat gpt desu
>will o wisp incineroar>it actually wins the game because sucker punch no longer KOs basculegion and the burn finishes me off before i can get a second sucker punch on itokay, I fucking kneel I guess
If champions is supposed to be the eternal traditional turn based battle simulator, why did they remove IVs and change EVs?
>>59589102because both those things sucked
>>59589102IVs are gay and EVs just had the pointless 4 point system removed
Is ZA the only way to get floette?
>>59589114>he doesnt know
>>59589106muh 0 speed IV rocky helmet iron barbs gyro ball ferrothorn...
>>59588505Look at the top tabs there is a champions one
>opponent keeps trying to use priority moves on pyschic terrainNintendo went too far adding terrains. The normies are confused.
You've seen soak bellibolt and now you VILL see magic powder hatterene
>>59589000Just copy any day 1 team from youtube showcasing one of the new mons
>hey check out this team its great in ranked>uh my rank? Ultra 4...
>>59589159Hes getting footage he qualified for worlds a few years ago im sure moxie's good as far as they come
>>59588505>showdown
>>59589148Many japs today are learning the hard way that no, psychic terrain will not save salamence from ice shard
>>59589114you can catch a shiny in go and trade for one in home
>>59589159Reg has only been up for what 3 days? Even if you win most of your matches it takes a bit unless you no life it.
LYCANLASS IS BACK
>>59589091I've noticed fat incineroar withwill o wisp is the new hotness, I ran into like 3 on ladder in the 24 hours
>>59589201>exact team anon was running a few days ago b-b-buhsed
>>59589201Under new management
>>59589200Idk I made it in like 3 hours lol
Does haze clear unburden?
>>59589201PALAFIN WIN
Watching comfy joeux9/cischke vr stream
>>59589201Poor Scovillain can't compete with the superior grass type...
>>59589217RILLADdotCOM
>>59589220>If I had a REAL grass-type on my team, then I could have won Worlds!
Rock slide Sneasler has single handedly ruined this meta
>rillaboom comes out>He tries to use fakeout>I switch in my indeedee and one shot it with sludge bombApes btfo
>>59589228Bad ape. They'll u turn into your indeedee at higher rank
The ursalunas are still sleeping....
>>59589162His sneedler has protect...
>>59589233you can't hide forever
>>59589237Is that the showdown shit
>>59589237NIGGA HE RESISTS IT YOUR ASS IS GETTING RUSHED
still working on the megapunny team and I can't decide what secondary mega to run yet, last regulation pairing her with the fox was perfect but that guy sucks for now, however corviknight and dragapult have worked so well that I'm keeping them, the other 3 slots have been getting switched over and over after testing and I can't decide anything yet, could go sneed/king/fish and a special mega but that's too much phys and repeated types, maybe I'll just go with sylveon and mence
>>59589215I'd top gio
>>59589241no
>>59589253Thats so much funnier
>looked at Snealer's stats againNo way this min maxed shithead is real
>>59589255I don't trust her, and yet I love her. I would follow her to the ends of the Earth, and yet I would love to slap the shit out of her. She's just not what I expected from this game, at all.
>red card>emergency exitCAN WE FUCKING FIGHT ALREADY? God some of you run the most gimmicky shit that is so annoying. All of that and for what? To still lose anyway.
>her
I managed to get an Alcremie win finally by leading Espeon Alcremie against an Indeedee Gardevoir lead, learned that Decorate buffs the Indeedee when Indeedee uses follow me though, I thought I kept misclicking
Sorry chud, the ride Sneasler is confirmed female and she rapes Ingo
I got to masterball 4 with this team but I'm currently getting raped by psyspam trick room and golisopod. plz help anons I just want to be a huge fag and spam zap cannon
>>59589278I got lucky and hatched a tall shiny female sneedler shes so elegant
>>59589263https://youtu.be/QMaUar9mhXY?I channel zesty kat when people lose their shit gimmicksAFTER ALL THAT~
>>59589284Bring incineroar. Dark type immune to psyspam and flare blitz one shots golisopod
Whimsicott, I am forgotten
>>59589289I love KAT, was real sad when they traded him off minny. Good for him!
>>59589296This isnt a good tailwind meta. The best attackers are already super fast and if their sweeper is faster than yours you just trick room with your indeedee.
>>59589296better sit down zoomerboy we're in the fat fuck era now
Murkrows... it was our time but we got dexcut...
I don't know what I'm doing wrong or if I'm just unlucky with this team? I was UB1 last night and got hardstuck to UB2. Feels like I'm losing to shenanigans/bad rng no matter how hard I predict or be cautious.
>>59589356what does lucario even do in a menceslop team
>>59589363I was testing it out mainly but I should probably swap it out for gambit or fish
I mostly play doubles but still want the rank rewards for singles. Anyone got a braindead singles team rec for me just to climb fast
>whimsicott used tailwind
>>59589376god i hate this stupid little onahole so fucking much
>>59589375sash mamo + meowsc and whatever
hardstuck at 1550 rn ama
I tried to make a mega lucario team but I end up always briging a different mega be it Glimm/Aero/Mence for 90% of matches, what do I do?
>>59589391what would you run on a MAlakazam team?
>>59589401i wouldn't
>>59589401Indee F Sneasler Gambit + either armarouge torkoal or basc chomp
>>59588348>>59588356>>59588363Feraligatr is solid in singles. It's not really well suited for doubles, though. Don't listen to anyone trying to tell you base Gatr with LO is better, it's not. The biggest issue is that it's slow and there's no shortage of faster Dragons and/or bulky enough Fairies in the meta. You pretty much always need a free turn to get a DD off, but once it does, it's almost always over, barring something like Scarf Chomp. Base isn't awful, though, but it really is just a worse Gyarados/Quaquaval most of the time. Mega-Gatr at least gives it a much better typing and gives it a much stronger coverage option over Ice Punch in Double Edge.
>>59589396that's just how it is, nigga doesn't have good matchups and when it does it just missed KOs by like 5% and then dies
>>59589420I think it's only niche is gonna be a delete arch/gambit button and maybe a niche lead vs sneasler in psyspam teams with terrain pulse, I think the way to do it is to just put it in a team with incin and mence where people are going to be tempted to lead with gambit/milotic because of intimidates where the rilla lucario lead is pretty good into either of those. Kinda sucks to try and get this garbage to work the setup is cute but reeks of gimmick
Tailwind feels too slow for this meta, I’ve barely seen anyone even try to set it up
>>59589439Personally, the champ team not even running any speed control made me use it less in my teams.
so luke Z ended up being shit, but how is physical luke X? outclassed by sneedler?
>>59589444you're such a mareep. its insane
>>59589445Luke x is cute with adaptability mach punch and vacuum wave hurting a ton but it's a gimmick the speed is not enough and it's not tanky at all. It's gonna be probably a top pick in draft doe
>it's another "opponent leads with garde and deedee 'guess the trick room setter'" episode
>go against perishfaggot>shittery ensues>running fucking support A-Tales with encore disable>all his mons survive on 5% in usual perish trap fashion>down to lopunny vs incin with everyone 1 hit off>his tales doesn't have attacks and incin will just get raped>disables my own incin on the perish turn>still win because I KO'd his incin and mine dies after ninetaleskek get fucked
>>59589439with the #1 threat being 5000 mph unburden seedler and #2 being trick room, there's just increasingly little reward for even trying to be faster instead of bulkmaxxing
>>59589462>wave crash iron head
>Garchomp Z is a fr-ACK
>>59589474>terrain seed volcaronaI fucking despise that piece of shit
i hate trick room
how the FUCK do you beat archaludon
smeargle would have unironically fixed this format
why does the pokemon battling community always say something "lives" a hit instead of "survives"? Just because it's shorter? I can't imagine any weird algorithm would demonitize survives.
>>59589517*teraftfy
>>59589524yeah man I really wanted to see flying sneedler and water dengo again
>>59589474It's clearly the dead weight
>>59589474do you know what neither of those teams have?that's right, a mence checkdo you know what zhomp does? kill mence and then diecrazy new meta discovered !
mega bax seems completely worse than life orb bax
Well, shit.
Galarian Zapdos would fix this format.
>sylveon mystical fires my corviknight >roost and back to full>-1 spa to sylveonman I love this bird
>>59589540normal bax dies too fast
>>59589568Wait, is that how Mirror Armor works?
>>59589575+25/15 aint changing that
>>59589568>milotic uses icy wind on corv>milotic's speed goes down by 1>milotic's sp.atk goes up by 2
>>59589580pretty sizable boost with some hp invest and you get the 175 atk with it
>>59589577yeah it literally can't have stat drops inflicted by any opposing moves or abilities, it just mirrors them. Now before you go and try it with a defiant mon, no it doesn't bounce them back to its side>>59589582nobody uses that shit anymore they all go coil hypnosis which is arguably worse
>>59589607That sounds really fun... now I have to cook with it and Pawmot.
Samurott h is so anti meta rn vs psyterrain, gambit, basc and gholdengo, corviknight takes care of most of what samurott struggles with
>>59589166>psychic terrain will not save salamence from ice shardwhy not
do I have to worry about the meta in great/ultraball or not until masterball?
>>59589645Same reason mega delphox can't abuse expanding force
>>59589645Flying or levitating mons aren't affected by terrain.
>>59589540Opportunity cost strikes again.It's just bax but bigger so it adds nothing unique or special.
Guess the hype that megazam will be good this reg is gone and will be relegated to being a Swap move gimmick again, maybe it could survive a physical attack if it skill swapped with mega lucario z to give it magic guard to abuse Steel Beam
>>59589675megazam is another one of those mons that suffers from>missing KOs>getting KO'd back in returnsuch is the fate of all frail special attackers...
>It's another switching incin and giraf no matter what episode
>>59589681Or the fact that it has to rely on Focus Miss to kill steel and dark types, the calcs next to helping hand indeedee annihilate everything thst doesnt resist EF in psyterrain, considering trying something like using bullet seed on weak armor armorouge with stored power for Toxapex, the strat would be shut down by ttar but you could just pair it with sneedsler or something
I still love my mega camel, gorilla is good for water
>>59589516Meteor assault, they'll never see it coming (lie)
>run jolly lopunny>25% chance to ohko arch>hit the 75%>run adamant lopunny>75% chance to ohko arch>hit the 25%
>using that trendslop harcanine team from last season that was designed to specifically counter big 6Don't know if they're low on VP/coupons or just comfortable using that team, they had a 4 win streak before facing me so they might get some favorable matchups
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyfOSCBrEasgolisobros... i thought it was our time...
>>59589743>bunch un redirected niggas ignoring lucario for some reason
>>59589756they b encored into dire claw
>>59589743Didn't consider clef for that ish, yeah alakazam is jobless for another reg in dubs at least
>>59589743HO is my favourite poketuber, finally a team that's worth copying instead of le niche wholesome chungus mon next to 5 metaslop mons
Does any mon even bother running air balloon?
>>59589780I've considered using it on glimmora but i'm preferring mega glim this reg
Can megas be given items?
>>59589787No.
>>59589743>advertising xis own video
Am I cooking too hard with this? I feel like this does a lot in this meta but I could absolutely be overlooking something.
>>59589794weird tf set + item but ok
>>59589802I'm definitely willing to take suggestions on that, these were just my first instincts on where to go. Talonflame and Weavile I'm not completely happy with but only 1 can use focus sash.
what's the story with tournament bascs being mostly life orb over scarf now?why did being fast stop being important?
>>59589813i mean you could switch seed from indeedee, give it leftovers, then give talonflame acro so in theory you can attack with priority more than once or whatever, but that wouldn't work vs grounded with psyterrain so might not even make sense. if you're using it as a rilla answer, then maybe grassy seed, idk. just seems like it's gonna die in one hit anyways so its getting no value from the leftovers. sharp beak is an option for keeping brave bird as well
>>59589794doesnt ape just get raped by mence and psy
>>59589820speed matters less this meta, doing more damage and bulk matters more
>>59589820I'd imagine its because of Indee and Rilla being things now. Being locked into priority or Last Respects is a lot more dangerous when one of the best mons has Follow Me and is immune to both. Rilla is rilla, being faster doesn't mean anything when it's just gonna Glide you.
how do i improve my crackhead team (You cannot remove Swalot)
>>59589823Mence I'm not worried about too much as Weavile just stomps mence, ice spinner is a 130-150% ohko.. psyspam I'm absolutely not bringing him to, the big thing is I need some answers to sand and archaladon (if it isn't a glimorra game) which this slot a concession for.>>59589821Maybe I put seed on weaville and take advantage of pickpocket, swap knock off to nightslash or something.
>>59589831give talon sunny day maybe?
Anyone got a spare armarouge? want an alt one for trick room or some weak armor shenanigans please
>>59589642Share moves/stats and ill try it out
>>59589830consider thief on swalotyou probably dont need terrain extendergetcha self something that can kill steels
>>59589850Oh that sounds dirty.Whos the best steel killer? Sneasler? Incin?
>>59589838I don't have sucker punch cause I use indeedee but the set is pretty straightforward 4HP/30Atk/32Spe Adamant @ Focus Sash with Ceaseless Edge/Sacred Sword/Razor Shell/ProtectCould try alt items like Wide Lens so you only miss CE on a gen 1 miss roll or Scope Lens with Night Slash instead of Ceaseless and Aqua Cutter instead of Razor Shell but I find it a bit too frail for anything but a focus sash
>>59589837wait can we even trade on this game
>>59589858>I don't have sucker punchI lost a match earlier by playing around suckered punch but I guess maybe they just didn't carry it on their kinggambit
>>59589861Nah, that's Pokemon Home, would be a cool feature though, but Nintendo rewards those who purchase their buggy slop while phone players need to grind and beg
>>59589830remove terrain extender from rillaboom
>>59589855sneedler, kommo-o, harc, arma, volca, random nigga with fire coverage, 'zard
>>59589838Not him, but I prefer night slash over its signature for more damage+acc. 30 hp evs live a grassy glide from +32 rillas. 10 evs with adamant and life orb kill max def f-deedee and armarouge with n slash and razor shell. And 26 speed evs to outspeed adamant bascs
>>59588633Zard/Aero is so back bros.It never left as it won NAIC and got top 8 at Worlds. I just think it needs to drop Chomp for Mamo in Rillaboom's grassy meta.
I have zilla but I almost never bring him into matches
why are niggas using steel roller bro
>hardstuck between 1500 - 1650>consistently beating people who have hit champion tier in previous seasons
>>59589897Cause fuck ur terrain nigga
>politoed doesn't get soakwhat is this bullshit
>>59589794Reporting back, to probably no one's surprise this was fucking ass.
>>59589897Steelix? it removes grass for earthquake too. Is defensive Perrserker with steely spirit a good support for the steel megas.
>Mega Shit Cumshot can't take a raw meteor assault>>59589858>>59589875Thanks bros i will try both builds out.
>>59589899Woah what is best of 1?
>>59589962You stupid bitch...
>>59589921don't worry anon you only learn if you lose. You're on the right track looking for role compression, now you just have to adjust that to the current meta and consider other options that fulfill the same roles. If you need a dragon killer that also hits psychic types, Meowscarada does the same thing Weavile does but better, it has access to U-Turn to quickly pivot and learns both triple axel and play rough, combined with protean it hits harder than weavile while also having more utility. Sucker Punch on pod doesn't seem to have a use because it doesn't hit anything you don't already hit save for ghost, and you have enough coverage for ghosts already.Talonflame and tailwind are not very good in this meta, it does have priority tailwind but that won't really help you a lot, and it's so frail that it won't get to hit with fire much, it doesn't even get protected by your own terrain so it can just get faked out before setting up tailwindApe is really hard to use right now, scarf phantom force will probably work better than life orb bulk up, that set is too greedy on a meta dominated by psyspam and flying type attacks, and you're putting your extremely valuable life orb on a pokemon that might not come into most battles, like against psyspamthere's a lot more things to consider than it looks like, but it's okay, trial and error is a fun part of teambuilding
>>59589867>nintendo rewards players who play the gameYou don’t say?
niggas really pack a fire move for their bax instead of just coaching
can someone spoonfeed me a build
Im new to vgc and was learning alot, now this nigger ass game just added two mechanics that feel like fan fiction. What is this gay terrain shit, now i have to look out for 50 more things and guess what my opponent will do even more in this epic closed team format. This genuinely feels insufferable, somehow im running into the same pokemon even more often now
>>59590024pure faggotry, this shit is demented and all guessing in so triggered. Just tell me where i can find a chat gpt tier broken, one size fits all team so i can be done with this dogshit
if you're not having fun just stop playing you dumb nigger baboon
>>59590032Just look at what's winning the tournaments.
>>59588884fucking staraptor, great
>>59590024>>59590032you should play gen 1 ou
>>59590041>>59590038fuck you, im just venting. Why the fuck did they put salamence in the game? gamefreak should be blown up
>>59590049use ice shard
>>5959002332 HP32 attack or special attack2 def
>>59590032menceslop with sneasler, rilla, gambit and fishyou still need to position yourself properly though... this might not be for you...
>>59590024>>59590049
>>59590049I agree, Mence balance blows dicks because you now have the barra bros plus Sneasler who's a requirement for Mence.Having Farig and something to whittle down the awful support mons is probably the way to go.
>>59590049By all means the crash out makes sense. Putting mega salamence in the game was a stupid fucking idea. Its the best mega evolution ever made
>>59590051Won't KO.Recommend Scarf and Ice Crash(But it Missed!)
>>59590024Terrain is probably the worst gimmick they've come up with. It forces overcentralization and if you thought weather was bad it stacks with weather. So instead of playing pokemon you play the faggot u turn parting shot switch out game and its genuinely unfun in all aspects. >aw jeez they led rillaboom and incin now I have to swap indeedee and lol they swapped rillaboom out so now I have to switch back out and then they swap back in so I have to switch back out and WHO THOUGHT THIS WAS FUN
>>59589983Learning is absolutely not what I'm doing, I don't think I've improved 1% since hitting MB for the first time last month.
>>59590062See thats my issue, weather is so intuitive and well designed. >sun? Fire move stronger, water move weakersnow and sandstorm are a bit more specific but still simple. These terrains are fucking meta game hellspawns. The fact that it can be abused ontop of weather is fucking nuts.
>japs made doubles complete dogshit on purpose to force gaijin to play BSS with them
>>59590032Pick 4: Incin, Rilla, Kingambit, Sneasler, Gholdengo, Basculegion.Pick 2: Mega Salamence, Mega Floette, Mega Charizard-YThere, you have babby's first team!
>>59590067Lets not get ahead of ourselves, weather is also overloaded and overcentralizing. Terrain just has way less counters developed.
How good would suicune be of they gave it competitive
Armarouge feels like more of a mega than gardevoir, fairy/psychic is great for offense but there's too many poison and steel moves in this format
>>59590051The only guarantee OHKO Ice Shard is 32+ Atk Life Orb Bax
>missed a ko cause I was jolly>got outspeed cause I was adamantThis is why niggas use trick room, simple and easy, I'm niggas
>>59590077I love wide guard
>>59590077Why did i return mine to ranch. Fuck...
>Milk Drink can target alliesneatwhat else would it take for Gogoat to not be ass?
>>59590087Swap special attack with defense
>>59590087Min max it and give it some better moves. For some reason big retarded ape gets every utility move on the planet but gogoat learns like 3 moves
>>59590089starter bias.
I burned 600 gacha coupons and did not get a rillaboom or salamence
>>59590069Could i run milotic instead of the fish?
https://bulbagarden.net/threads/mega-salamence-dominates-pokemon-champions-in-early-regulation-set-m-c-tournaments.311572/>mega salamence dominating every online tour>won the first offline tour in japan
>>59590092just use home
>>59590092you get a free rillaboom in the battle pass (dont have to pay for it)
>>59590087Get an evolution next game, literally. It's neat in draft if you get rillaboom I think, that bitch gets tanky asf especially with a seed.
>>59590094>one of the top 5 strongest pokemon of all time and didn't suffer any nerfs is dominating everything when there isn't any other contendersDuh?
>>59590094this nigga used to go toe to toe with primals btw. of course hes going to wreak havoc on shit like "sneasler" and rillaboom"
>>59590100Frosslassbros, they're disrespecting us again
>>59590094>>59590100i would like to remind everyone that they let mence keep tailwind, double edge, and hyper voice, but they fucking took double edge away from pinsir, and it cant use return anymore.fuck was that for?
>>59590105Gamefreak has always loved nerfing mid ass pokemon like lopunny and pinsir
>>59590093Sure, I actually thought about including Milotic on the list but didn't. You could also try Froslass as she works with the same balance core more or less.
>>59590094Dondozo is too strong though
>>59588884>its the same namesWow...
>>59590105Because Mence is popular, Pinsir is not. It's always tied to favoritism and popularity. Balance will always take a back seat to what is going to make more money.
>>59590116Zardbros we're gonna make it...!
>>59590112dondozo is annoying to play so keep that shit outt here
>>59590118Trust the plan, new Zard mega soon...
>>59590118Rain Zard just won a 177 player tourney.I think Zard is going to be okay, the Zard/Aero team may be even better than it was in MB.
>>59590105salamence is a popular pokemon, especially its mega. tpc is clearly marketing 2027 VGC to be "its" format, like they did with zard and floette for vgc 2026.
I know it's annoying, but people are just testing the new toys.Mence is going to get most of the team development for a while, like Zard did.
>>59590128This is why I absolutely hated mega. It's fun but jfc, it was heavily bias toward popular meta pokemon getting more powerful instead of helping weaker pokemon. If your favorite isn't popular, it's fucked.
People are sleeping on Trick room mega chomp with huge power.
>>59590094did people forget that mega salamence is the only mega to win mutiple world titles?
>>59590116>>59590128this shit is the actual worst part of modern pokemon, not the dexit>old pokemon valued all of them as special and unique>now over half the roster is chaff jobber fodder for gamefreak to shill their most pushed favorites and legendaries as merchandise
I bet Yamazaki san is gonna win Worlds with Sirfetch'd
>>59590128salamence sells plushies, kids like it cause its a cool strong dragon, adults like it cause its the best mega of all time in VGC. pinsir, fits neither of these roles.
>>59590138That's because trick room is very easy to counter as long as you're not an idiot and don't forget to put in at least one anti-TR move/pokemon on your team.
>>59590139People just thought they'd be rug-pulled by Mega-Mence like they were with Metagross, but the reason that didn't make a splash but is starting to come around now was that most of the top meta threats all fucked it over. Kingambit, Basc, Zard, Pert, etc.
>>59590087Swap Defense and Special AttackFriend Guard
Orthworm walls rillaboom, mence (lacking fire moves) and floette btw and can pass slow subs to set up mons
>>59590163>mence (lacking fire moves)Mence is never lacking fire moves. Ever.
on a scale of 1-10 how dumb would it be to run a ninetales/delphox/chandelure with mystical fire+heat wave and imprison to protect golisopod from it
Team code is GMN44DBTB2let me know how to improve it. I'm unsure of what moves Golisopod should get. I also forgot to give Pawmot Ice Punch for Garchomp. Those two are the only team members that are 100% staying. The rest I might switch out.
>managed to snipe a shiny m-basc with one of my many floettes yesterday>got this todaydafuq
>>59590176Got one of them from dynamax adventures a few weeks ago. Used it in reg MA, scarfed solar power on a zard team.
>>59590174oh ninetales learns weather ball toowith flash fire this could basically just be a "turn off charizard" button unless they're ancient power
>>59590174you're gonna run into flamethrower and flare blitz instead 8
>>59590163the kid who got 2nd at NAIC day 2 VR with orthworm
>>59590156How is megagross any good now? Does ice punch OHKO mence? It's still absolutely crushed by 4mss and now you've got mence breathing fire on it.
>>59590195Steel Roller + salamence scaring off zard, ice punch should easily KO if it was sent out in base against it
scarf inteleongood or not
>>59590195Yes, and it ignores Intimidate with Clear Body. It also benefits from Psychic/Grassy Terrain, ignores Expanding Force spam, fucks over Sneasler who is getting used a lot more now, and is at a great speed tier to benefit from the current lack of TW on most teams. Also a lot of folks are realizing you don't need to have Protect on every mon, which reduces the 4MSS issue a bit. 32 Atk Tough Claws Metagross-Mega Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Salamence-Mega: 196-232 (115.2 - 136.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>>59590105Glalie in tears knowing its only going to be called up when its time to use Explosion (enemy double protects this turn)
I HATE LOSING!
Can't wait until they combine Zardslop with Menceslop
Is M-Golisopod actually that good or is it new toy syndrome
>>59590175Using Entrainment to change Golisopod's ability to Water Bubble is creative as fuck ngl.
>>59590226I mean it seems pretty good to me, i lose to it alot online. Its so hard to wittle down if you cant intimidate cycle it or hit it with a fire move. My opponent had it out on the field with a milotic and i had no clue what to do.
>>59590226>insanely good typing>insanely bulky in both defs but also has 150 atk>access to reliable recovery>tough claws>has a crazy diverse movepool>plays great under trickroom >only one weakness which is easily covered by running Pelipper
>>59590226It has to be good right? It rapes my ass everytime i run into it online atleast. When people stack it with politoad im legit lost on what to do
burn it niggasrun corvi, it walls it completely and stalls it out with rocky helm
Is Mr. Mime viable? I feel like he has the ability to be a good viable pick in the meta but I don't use him enough to know how. Or am I just overestimating him?
>>59590226Run fire coverage
Oh right, i forgot about that nigga corvinight. Hold the fuck on
>>59590254I used him a bit on the early rendition of my psyspam team. He's alright, but had to make room for Fire coverage.
why dont we have a fun room open?you guys down?
>>59590226it's very strong against teams that don't have good answers for it specifically, but it demands support to handle its terrible matchups into stuff like phox and zard
What corviknight spread would you even run? The boss press one or the bulk up variant?
>>59590269The best set is 4 attacks and sucker punch. The coaching set i ran into still lives rent free in my head
>>59590254not even close. Dont know why they didnt give him Misty Surge, it would've been a perfect way to buff him.
>>59590273full physdef hp with roost iron head and brave bird
Why is indedede f so much more popular than m? Expanding force seems pretty good.
>>59590290Roost tailwind i assume?
Armarouge OHKOs mega Pod in rain
>>59590292Indeedee-F is usually run with Gardevoir and Armarouge on a trick room oriented team, Indeedee-M is usually run with just Sneasler as part of a psyspam mode on a variety of different teams
>>59590294yeah but you don't tailwind as a lead or anything, only if you find an obvious opening that will help you get in a better positionit's a counterpick and counterlead but not a support partner like other tailwind setters
>>59590228I thought about it before tough claws was even announced. You need trick room to pull it off. Too much setup and wasted turns
>>59590226Retards on youtube are too scared to jump the gun and put it in A tier but it's really really tanky and makes rillaboom look like a caterpie, rain seems in a really good spot atm even with the indirect swampert nerf
>>59590311the biggest struggle i'm having teambuilding with it right now is that it really wants both rain and trick room, but having all of the moving pieces for both archetypes can be awkward sometimesi have a feeling the answer might be s*n*stcha but i wish it wasn't
>>59590305What makes armarogue good on a trick room team? That seems like it wouldn't go very well with his weak armor.
>>59590314you run it with flash fire for an immunity and make it -speed nature then just spam expanding force and helping hand
>>59590310I've been able to do it just fine. I think you'd wanna lead with Indeedee and Pelipper, then switch into either Golisopod or Armarouge
>>59590314It's slow-ish itself, and learns trick room and expanding force.
>>59590313I think screens plus rain is the way to go with it, could put a tech option like quash on sableye so it can sometimes move first outside of psyterrain
>Back down to 1400 eloI just don't get it anymore why am I playing this if I'm this actually fucking dogshit at this? Like this is fucking neck myself tier.
>>59590325take a break nigga, just cut your losses and come back tomorrow, once you go on a losing streak your mental goes down the drain
>>59590326I mean sure, but this is the same pattern climb 100-150 elo start crashing. I've done this every day since last month. I'm obviously learning nothing.
>>59590324i've occasionally wondered if running misty surge on grimmisnarl as the screen setter would be worth it just to get rid of it ASAP so pod can use priority moves to get around its speed instead of trick roomonly problem is it gives up the manual rain dance that sableye offers which puts a ton of pressure on preserving the drizzle setteralso has a bit of negative synergy since you can't surge before first impression comes out (and fails)
>>59590326I personally find that if I keep losing and take a break, I never win again
>>59590331*not misty surge, that's the abilityyou know what i meant
>>59590331I'm liking the SD set next to a redirection user like maushold so Orthworm can get a sub off into it, the fact it has so many moves it can use depending on the team is one of the reasons I think it has staying power rather than just being a shiny new toy
Will Mence finally dethrone Zard as the best mega in the format?
You guys dont wanna play in a room? Cmon itll be fun, we can try out our teams against one another
>>59590342Already has, charizard can hit steel types with much more powerful fire attacks at least
Thanks for the advice earlier, i will now only play good pokemon. Was down all the way in 1500 but im back in 1700 after winning several games in a row. Focus sash gambit feels superior to chople berry
>>59590343Try next thread, not on one near bump limit. Most anons are probably still in climbing mode at the moment with try-hard teams instead of more goofy shit.
>>59590371i think most anons are murricans who are asleep now, which is why i was asking now.well it is what it is
>click trick room>click hyper voice>winthis is truly min brain power gaming
>>59590372Murican here, it's still not that late for most the country. West Coast it isn't even 9pm yet, and East is right before midnight but still.
>>59590373hey now, sometimes the indeedee clicks follow me instead of trick roomthis requires a lot of brain power okay
thoughts?
Is mega Gallade usable or just a cool shitmon?
>>59590379110 speed is not bad but not that good either and M Gallade deals less damage than normal Gallade. Scarf Sharpness Gallade outshined his Mega counterparts.
>Psychic Terrain disables Priority moves>Can still use Follow MeEat SHIT gamefreak
>>59590176>>59590185https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t26m_Q6ENo
>>59590377I take it the farig is literally only for clicking imprison?I have no idea whats the consensus on Bax.>https://pokepast.es/b4465e52a2df6d1e>https://pokepast.es/b1e193478a17c829these run 13 Speed for some reason>https://pokepast.es/132a77c04c372fbethese run 1 and i guess yours which runs 2 is for outspeeding other Bax>https://pokepast.es/5268ba8166d67ebfthen you have these which runs 26, so what even are they outspeeding?
>>59590382Unfortunate but about what I expected, feels like M-Scizor
>>59590377switch psychic for hyper voice or expanding force to max the memes
>>59590383psychic terrain doesn't disable priority. It prevents you from being effected by priority moves. Fun interaction on this, there was a game I was coaching spamming until a kinggambit because they were an overquil user. They skill swapped prankster onto my sneasler and it stopped coaching.
>>59590393it doesn't prevent you from being affected by priority moves of allies, only opponentsthat's the actual reason helping hand still worksi think if you tried to helping hand the opponent for some reason it would indeed fail
>Trace picks Good As Gold>Helping Hand fails
>>59590352coward. you just NEED TO WIN AT ALL COSTS, huh? little bitch
>>59590389holy shit yea hyper voice is a good idea
>>59590399isnt trace garde sub optimal because you can trace a grassy terrian, making it override your psyhic terrian, or trace intim onto gambit and giving it +1
>>59590416works even better if we ever great throat spray lol
>>59590427Throat spray iron moth was my goat. Bug buzz activates it
>>59590352>i will now only play good pokemonIt's literally that simple. If you aren't playing a specific weather archetype or psyspam/hard trick room, for which the team compositions are honestly kind of rigid, the same 4-8 or so non megas are on most teams because they are the best mons of their type that also happen to synergize with one another. Example:>Who is the single best mon?Incineroar.>Ok, now who works well with Incineroar?Rillaboom, to pivot and help Incineroar cycle Intimidate, Fake Out, and Parting Shot, and KOs Basculegion with Grassy Glide.>Who is good with RillaboomSneasler, because he has Unburden and can KO Incineroar and Kingambit.>Who is good with Sneasler?Kingambit, because he has Sucker Punch to beat ghost types that wall Sneasler, and deters Intimidate.>Who is good with Kingambit?Basculegion, because it walls Sneasler and beats Incineroar.You basically have 5/6s of a balance team right there.
>>59589607>nobody uses that shit anymore they all go coil hypnosis which is arguably worseEvery single one in mb has run icy wind so far
>>59590450yeah I got it with it too. honestly rather just be one shot by Ice beam
Incin's back, back again
>>59590443Walls sneedler until people start running throat chop for it and dengo
EAT THE SNEEDDOUBLE THE SPEEDEAT THE SNEEDDOUBLE THE SPEED
jesus christ man im on a 7 win streak after just switching to a meta team. Im actually dumbfounded
The amount of people who try to use earth type moves against orthworm is astounting, can get both arch and golisipod both behind subs cause of this sometimes
>>59590532I could have success with off meta stuff last season but the power increase is too much for mons like azumarill, indeedee and rillaboom completely killed whatever viability it had, no more fake out with ychu to set up T1 belly drum wins now that sneedsler got faster too
>earth type moves
what are some of the best toxtricity team mates
Pokeball tier singles is something else
>beat a rock slide sneasler rillaboom meta team with my Raichu XGuy had arena master title too. I was so close to surrendering early on. My noivern stayed on the field from turn 1 to the end of the game and ate multiple rockslides to live on 3 hp too. You guys gotta try noivern in this meta for real.
>>59589201no tsareena no buy
>>59590424garde is faster than indeedee so tracing grassy surge should never be an issue
>>59590377>i run 3 of thesedamn im not creative
>my team is literally just metaslop but with a toxicroak instead of sneasler >even just that single downgrade is enough to lose me major speed wars from time to time and games as a result Meta gonna shrink real hard and turn into some 2015 smash melee type of shit, everyone just playing fox falco marth
>>59590377Life orb the pincurchin
>>59590653The sneedler is genuinely rhe best fighting and best poison type in the game
>follow me with indeedee f @ eject button>audino with trick room and simple beam>use simple beam on toxapex with Stockpile (EV'd so it goes first in trick room)>araquanid with soak to speed up games vs steel and poison typesNew cancer i came up with while high, I didnt select araquanid and just spared my opponent the pain in casuals by forfeiting with a + 6 stockpiled toxapex and I'm too high to be patient enough to go through with wearing down a mega Lucario Z and sneasler with infestation
>>59590711Goes last in trick room*
alright, ill try it noivebro. what's the build for noivern?
>>59590755>>59590755>>59590755
I keep fighting hyper voice mence and they keep not killing me with, even my rilla lived that
>>59590383It only disables priority offensive moves. You can still prankster rain dance, but you can't encore.
