Windows 95 has been released to general availability on 1995-08-24. It's been 30 years. Let's have a thread about Windows 95 OS, Windows 95 era hardware, Windows 95 era games and Windows 95 emulation.
My favorite Win 95 game is Civilization II
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JzfROUDsK0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miZHa7ZC6Z0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqL1BLzn3qchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVeFEBCwXy0
>>11971480I have played several civ games but never actually finished civ 2. I should give it a try
Strange thing is from back in the day I remember that the loading time for Windows 95 was quite long. Meanwhile, last year I got myself an authentic retro-PC (P120, 16 Mb, S3 Virge with a worn out HDD) and even after some intensive shenanigans with my other video and sound cards (i. e. drivers, tests etc., also installing quite a lot of games) my Windows 95 Plus! still loads very fast (some 10-15 seconds). I guess, 15 seconds is a LOT when you're a kid.
>>11971480It was actually a Win3.11 game first.
>>11971468>It's been 30 years.finally
Should I use PCemu or 86box for win 95 emulation?
best Windows, every version since has been getting too complicated for no good reason>pic related also for DOS and Mac
How well is .NET running on it now?
>>11971482HOVER! is supremely based, is there any way to play this on modern PC?
>>11971468My family's first PC ran '95.The very first game I ever played on it was some shareware demo version of a random DOS game called TRUGG that came preinstalled, shortly followed by PuttPutt Joins The Parade.
>>11971497calmira is so comfy
>>11971546If you have a good enough pc to run 86box full speed with the hardware you want to emulate then use it. Otherwise use PCem. You’ll need to test.
i miss this lil nigga like you wouldnt believe
Castle of the Winds 1 & 2
>>11971546PCem is definitely faster. However, the latest nightly 86Box has a LOT more features now, and it actually runs smoother so long as it's running at full speed. Provided you set it up right, it has just about perfect frame pacing and very low input lag. On my machine I can even set it up to run at a refresh rate of 120 Hz with the mouse polling rate set to 200 Hz and mouse movement is nearly as smooth as on my host. I can't seem to do that on PCem.
>>11971989Yeah, PCem is basically just the option for lower-end PCs at this point.
>>11971468Have kept a copy of this on every laptop/PC I've ever had to this day. Still GOATed
>>11971468QuakeMonster Truck MadnessEncarta 95CinemaniaFreecellMinesweeperSolitaire Fuji Golfhttps://archive.org/details/wep_20200803
>>11971546Am i the retard to use vmware? I never had problems with it
>>11972206
>>11972261If it's for simple games, it probably works well enough. It's not adequate for anything using hardware acceleration, though.
>>11972206>>11972263Reminder the original creator of SkiFree released a 32-bit version that's perfectly playable on modern Windows.
>>11971482>You know, Windows has been ready to launch, now... the launch event was originally gonna happen in March, then you heard about that whole "silly little mix-up with the Justice Department!" Those wacky folks!>They were refusing to give their "okay," so Bill asked me to kind of step in, uh, go to Washington and try to smooth things over; again that's why I was brought in on this project. When I met with the folks in Washington, intitially, ya see, hear's the delay; initially, I forgot to tell 'em about Windows '95 ability to "delete files.">Once the Whitewater people, the Senators, once they heard you could delete files, MAN! They had to have it!! They had to have it, and they put it right through!!!
>>11971468I wrote a fair chunk of it. Sorry, we were mainly focused on windows 2000 Pro. Don't even start me on the windows me abominationI have ship itawards for wi 95, win 95 osr2, win 98, windows me, windows 2000 professional, NT 4 SP 4, Windows 2000 server, Windows XP Windows NT4 SBS and Windows CEYes, really. I was never proud of win 98. was proud of windows 2000 professional. I'm not doing myself either
>>11971482>watching Jay Leno and Bill Gates launch program files and video clips on the brand new Windows operating system>Multiple programs, multiple files, all INSTANTLY launching. Zero loading, takes ZERO wait to navigate and use what you wantMan, FUCK Windows 11. It takes 9 seconds for a SONG to start playing, there's so much bloated nonsense it has to work through.But Windows 95?Perfect library of instant access.
>>11971482>Watching the launch advertisements, seeing everyone working on stage, in office, or marketing>Everyone wears collared shirts and paisley necktiesCompanies USED to support polite and intelligent representation 30 years ago...
>>11971482I miss 30 years ago.
>>11972289Yeah, i just use to play visual novel and disney cd rom games
>>11971664PcEM or 86Box.My recommendation, go to the 86Box discord and find the configs channel where people share their Windows 98 configs. Grab a good one and just load the game's ISO into 86Box and you're set.
>>11971989Weird question but you seem knowledgeable. I want to build a modern PC that runs Linux and 86Box tha uses the latest Silverstone FP1 beige case.What specs should I use if I want everything from Win 3.1 all the way to Win 98?Curious for your thoughts, please answer
>>11971989We're getting a new 86Box stable release tomorrow and it will have the new built-in manager too
>>11972940The short answer is: get the best CPU you can afford.Longer answer: What are you wanting to run on Windows 98? The OS itself doesn't require a whole lot to run smoothly. If you want to run 3D accelerated games at good framerates, though, you'll ideally want to emulate a ~300 MHz Pentium II, and that definitely requires a very good host CPU. As a point of comparison, the very best Ryzen CPU on the market today is just capable of emulating a 450 MHz Pentium II at full speed with almost any Win9x-era game you throw at it, more or less capping out at Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament, and that's WITH overclocking. Most games do not require something that insane, though.>>11972959You certainly can tell by the flurry of commits. They're really rushing to get it out this time after the delay earlier in the month.
>>11973063Sorry to sound retarded but what specific Ryzen CPU model?Asking since my last few builds have been Intel based so I don't know the equivalent AMD CPU honestly.My last build was like an i7 from 2016.The comp I built around 2007 used an AMD Athlon 3200 for comparison. Between those eras I just used some laptops.
>>11971468>be me, late 90s, 13yo, Friday night, not a care in the world>walk over to best friends house after school gets out for sleep over>stop by Albertsons on the way there and stock up on candy, Doritos, Pepsi and Mountain Dew.>order a pizza when we get to his house>boot up his dad’s high end PC in the living room>spend the next 9 hours playing Quake 3, Alien vs Predator, and System Shock 2 while blasting Rammstein and Marilyn Manson from his stereo>sleep until 3pm Saturday and do it all over again the following eveningGod damn, I miss it so much guys.
>>11973073Not him but these are the latest AMD CPUs:https://pcpartpicker.com/products/cpu/#F=103
just use QEMU with GPU passthrough for fucks sake
>>11973426>QEMU
>>11973445**with GPU passthrough you don't need to "emulate old hardware" you dingus
>>11972587Windows 11 is such jeet shit, I use it in work and it's fucking shocking it's supposed to be part of the same line.
>>11973475In some cases yes you do, otherwise 86Box wouldn’t exist
>>11973475What GPU are you going to be passing through to a windows 95 machine? I'm assuming your PC has ISA, VLB or PCI slots if you think it's so trivial.
Windows 95 gaming.... basically means that you have a computer startup prompt that asks you if you want to use Windows, or DOS to play games.
>>11973958There were dedicated Windows games that didn't work on DOS back then
86Box 5.0 is out:https://github.com/86Box/86Box/releases/tag/v5.0https://github.com/86Box/roms/releases/tag/v5.0
>>11974124is it less slow?
>>11973915be specific>>11973920how about my own?
You're playing games that are already playable on W10 to begin with
>>11974136sure but I'm on Arch, not W10
>>11974132Is that qemu-3dfx? The guy behind that is deranged and wants insane amount of money for binaries.
>>11974139The point is they don't have compatibility issues with modern hardware because they use APIs that are compatible with modern hadware (DirectX, OpenGL, etc)
>>11974140true and true, but boy it's fucking fantastic (for my purposes)>>11974142sure! but they're windows apps so
>>11971480>>11971486You can run Civ2 on modern PCs using the civ2uia launcher: https://github.com/FoxAhead/Civ2-UI-Additions
>>11972940Best Ryzen cpu you can find.If you just want a relatively cheap jack-of-all-trades, get the 8600G or 8700G, it has a monster iGPU built in, but it will need very fast ddr5 memory to really shine since performance scales straight up with faster memory.
>>11974140you can download pre-compiled and pre-setup versions on archive.org
>>11974126I think it uses the new dynamic recompiler so some stuff might be fasterIt will always be relatively demanding though as it's a low level emulator that emulates every single hardware component of a machine, which is why it's extremely accurate
>>11974156So 8700G with 32 gigs DD5 RAM? Asking since I have an AMD ASUS Radeon R7 240 2GB DDR3 PCI-E 3.0 Video Graphics Card that can do VGA out to an actual CRT monitor easily.
>>11971468What would have been the most common desktop resolution for Win95 when it was new? 640x480 or 800x600? Surely 1024x768 wasn't more commonplace until later?
>>11976076640x480 because most crt monitors where small
>>11972578You worked for Microsoft in Washington?
>>1197257898 SE was pretty good from what I can recall.
>>11974156I'm running a Ryzen 7 3800X paired with 32GB of DDR4 and I can emulate a P2 233 running Windows 98 SE at 100% with no problems.
I'm running it on a Windows 98 system rather than 95, but I got a big box of this childhood favourite of mine recently and it's peak Win95 arcade racer kino.
>>11976178The box on its side is it larping as a race bike leaning in a corner.
>>11976076The Win95 resolution you'll want to use also depends on your current monitor's resolution. Unless you use a shader like sharp bilinear to fix scaling (but make the image a tiny bit softer), you'll want to use integer scaling or else it will look like shit. If you only have a 1080p display you can't scale 600p 2x, and Win95 isn't really made for high resolutions (everything will look microscopic), so yeah, 480p integer scaled 2x will look good on a 1080p monitor.I personally have a 1440p monitor so I integer scale 800x600 2x (pic related)
>>11976461The sweetspot for me is 1024x768.Almost done with the new version of my pack for those that care, btw.
>>11976467That looks too small for me but maybe it's because my 1440p monitor as a higher DPI
>>11973491I'd take ME and use it as a daily driver over one day with 11.
>>11976565I also have a 1440p screen. When I fullscreen it, I use a shader similar to sharp-bilinear (forgot which one exactly, but it delivers similar results is all I know), and it looks good IMO.
>>11976178Great game, and the PC version is butter smooth compared to the PSX version
>>11976076Back in 2001 our typing class was filled with hand-me-down 486s/Pentium 1s from other schools that were brand new around 94-95. All of them still had Windows 95 installed and most of them were configured to display at 640x480. I remember we played a lot of Snood on them during down time or when the teacher was out of the room.
>>11976575Oh, in that case yeah, it'll look fine
>>11976467I care, cool to hear that you're still working on it, anon.
>>11976575I just tested with the same setup (1024x768 upscaled to 1440p) and I think Pixel_aa is the sharpest shader for this specific non-integer scaling situation
You now realize FFVII was a Win95 game.
>>11971664Have you tried doubleclicking on hover.exe?A lot of you folks are using shit like 86box for absolutely no reason. While there's some Windows 95 games that don't have DOS or Win 3.1 versions and absolutely refuse to run on newer Windows, they're few and far between. And in my experience they don't usually work in 86Box either due to things like copy protection abusing the CD drive in ways that simply can not be emulated, or FMV syncing that's directly tied to CD seek latency.
>>11971664Hover is one of the very, very few 9x-era games that should "just werk" on modern Windows.
DXballspeaking ofhow tf do you get DXball to run at the right speed on a modern computer?
>>11976867Haven't played it back in the day but I just downloaded it from here and it seemed to run at a reasonable speed:https://www.myabandonware.com/game/dx-ball-bf0#download
>>11976896it doesntit plays normal speed until you blow something up and/or have a powerup on screen. then it chugs to like 1/8th speedi had to run it through dxwnd to get it to play somewhat normally, but the speed still varies slightly which makes it way shittier to play than it was
>>11971503
>>11976576I'm running it on a Voodoo 1 so it's not massively smoother especially when the Pentium MMX CPU freaks out when there's too many bikes on screen, but it's still a nicer experience all around.
>>11976928What kind of monitor do you have? A lot of these old games ran at 70hz and it might fuck shit up if your monitor is only 60hzIn any case I just cleared a couple of stages and it never slows down for me
>>11976867If you just wanna play the classic boards, they're available as DLC for DX-Ball 2, which is included in the complete pack. You can get it on either Steam as the 20th anniversary remaster version or a DRM-free copy of the original DX-Ball 2 here:https://www.humblebundle.com/widget/v2/product/dxb2_complete/MBn9dDRtRH
Add an upscale pack, new levels and a few new features, and Hover will be a legit great game.
>>11977043Multiplayer could be fun
>>11973063NTA, but I'm (almost) interested in making a machine, but with old hardware. I know shit's old and rare, but the authenticity, if I'm using the word right, is appealing. Going by the benchmarks of Deus Ex, for starters, I would figure a Pentium III system would serve well for 9x and pre-XP NT, 386/486 maybe I can use something on Vogons to slow down the CPU. Sure as hell won't be able to get a Voodoo, so I need to figure out the best ATI or Nvidia card. Sound card would also be hard to get. Maybe I would be better off with a Pentium IV system? PCI and the integrated sound chips would help out, plus I could expand to some XP era titles before the mid 00s.
>>11977246deus ex does not run great on P3 if you are sensitive to sub 60 fps
>>11977256Not even on 1024x768? Reckon I could go with the P4, probably trade DOS compatibility for it.
>>11977502Nigga just play Dude Sex on your modern machine. There is practically no reason to build a retro PC for it
>>11977502It's a CPU limited game so resolution doesnt change much but a 1.4Ghz Pentium 3 should run that game ok. P4 can do ACPI throttling so speed sensitive DOS games can work pretty good
>>11977246save your money and just use fan patches and 86box
>>11976076800x600 was probably the most common in the later half of the 90's, that was what I was using back then on my P100 in '96.
>>11977246I current have a 100 Mhz Pentium with 32 MB ram, 333 MHz Celeron with 128 MB ram, 1.3 Ghz Duron, 2.4 GHz Pentium 4 with 512 MB ram dell workstation, and Pentium 3 laptop with broken HD (can boot into puppy linux 5.5 from dvd)The 100 MHz Pentium and Celeron haven't been booted in over a decade so the hard drives are probably seized up, the Duron, P4 and P3 laptop were booted up this year and sill work.Rather than wasting power running them, I just use PCem since it's good enough without the headaches of keeping up real machines.
>>11977502I've seen videos of people installing DOS on Core 2 Duo systems of all things. A P4 is probably a better bet at this point, since they're still not prohibitively expensive.
>>11971468Zoomer born in 2000 here. Were there REALLY versions of Windows before Vista? I thought that was just a meme.
>>11978891bait used to be believable
>>11977838>the hard drives are probably seized upUnless your drives are from the 80s or very early 90s they'll be fine. You've been watching too many youtube videos. I'd be more worried your laptop screen getting vinegar syndrome. Two of mine from that era with sony panels have started to get funky.
>>11973113>spend the next 9 hours playing Quake 3, Alien vs Predator, and System Shock 2 while blasting Rammstein and Marilyn Manson from his stereoAre you me?
>>11978887I'm also starting to consider an old Dell Optiplex with XP installed, figure it'll be the easiest. Ironically, I'd just thrown out a 755 desktop a week or two ago. First PC I ever bought, after selling my PS3. Eh, more fond of the Acer Aspire my grandpa hardly used, even if it is a bit weaker.>>11977514Negro, I want to build a PC to play it. My library is 2/3rds old shit.
>>11979638>Dell OptiplexI'd be very careful with these. Some of the models from the P4 days were made during the capacitor plague, and if they even work still, they're ticking time bombs. I would particularly avoid the GX260-280 series, ESPECIALLY the GX270. That one had like a 50% failure rate.>t. tested and worked with literally hundreds of Optiplexes circa 2008-2012
>>11971989did the autist finally made 86box multicore?
>>11971480hell yes
>>11979638>My library is 2/3rds old shitName 3 of the games in your library that can't be played on your current PC
>>11979880lol no, ain't happening anytime soon chief
>>11974156Why a Ryzen CPU? If the emulator is still single-threaded, Intel currently beats AMD CPUs in single-threaded performance ratings. Ryzen is better for multi-threaded games/applications.
>>11979880You can't really multi-thread a single core 80s/90s PC emulation. It does do multi-threading on stuff like the voodoo emulation because the original hardware had multiple TMUs so there's no real concurrency issues. But if your single core performance isn't up to running a 450MHz P2 at 100%, you can't fix that with multi-threading. Global state locks prevent it. We've tried doing transactional opportunistic threading where you just fire off and hope for the best, rolling it back if you find a deadlock, and while that works for non-interactive compute tasks, it's basically useless for interactive realtime stuff. Hell, it already has plenty of input lag just doing its dynarec, imagine what it would be like if you had to wait for 10 threads to resolve in between mouse movement.You want better performance? You have to hope someone brings Rosetta like static recompilation to the table, but given the age of the programs we expect to run it's kind of a tall order. Apple got to blacklist anything with self modifying code, not really possible when you want to run 90s shit.
>>11981731Are you an 86Box dev?
>>11981628>Intel currently beats AMD CPUs in single-threaded performance ratingsTrue, but not by that muchIMO it's not worth buying a CPU that has slightly better single thread performance if it's much worse at everything else. There's a reason why no one recommends Intel these days
>>11978891Yes, there was windows me>t. 1997 zoomer
>>11982076>There's a reason why no one recommends Intel these daysThe reason has to do more with pricing and people being generally upset with Intel's company policies than actual performance. There's a similar push against Nvidia where people are trying to insist that AMD GPUs are just as or almost as good, especially from troonix users since Nvidia support is shite on their OS of choice.
>>11982114>The reason has to do more with pricing
Figured I'd ask here since this is the only computer thread on the board right now: 16-Bit or 32-Bit?I bought a ThinkPad T42 and figured I would install Windows 98 on it, but if XP 16-Bit is compatible with Win98 software out-of-the-box then I think XP would be a better alternative, generally speaking.I really don't know shit about these compatibility issues, I just know most stuff was 16-Bit, but Blood Money needs a 32-Bit OS, either ME or XP so fuck me, I guess. haha!
>>11982267?Every 9x Windows is 32-bit
>>11982267I found this guide on Vogons on how to install Windows 98 on a Thinkpad T42, try this dude:https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=47591
>>11982269You know what? You are correct and I am retarded. I confused 64-Bit and 16-Bit for some fucking reason.I've literally been thinking about this for the last week and of course I wouldn't find anything about it because it's a problem I made in my head.>>11982271Will check it out. Thanks.
>>11982271Whoops sorry it's not a guide but rather some important drivers for the T42.Give the normal installation a try.I personally would try to follow along with some random PCEm or 86Box Windows 98 installation video but do it on real hardware. The steps are mostly the same.
>>11982279Normal installation of Windows 98. Goddamn my clarity is off today.Worst case scenario if you fuck up on steps, post here or open up a new thread of Vogons to "pay it forward" since I guarantee someone else will find it useful if they have a Thinkpad T42.Just saying since Vogons is one of the last good resources / communities for older Windows 9X stuff imo.
I understand it's not the same nor as powerful as a period appropriate desktop computer, but I must say, these business laptops sure are convenient if you want to get your feet wet with real hardware (if you can get them working with minimal effort, of course).T42 for 98 and T60 for XP, that's my goal.
>>11976467doing god's work, anon
>>11982337Agreed. He's my favorite /v/ autist, and probably the only dude I legit would want to be friends with here.People who know old computers are the best imo.
What's the best 90's Encarta software? I only ever used '97 and have fond memories of it.
Am I experiencing a Mandela effect with Spider Solitaire? I swore that the win animation from Windows Solitaire was also in Spider Solitaire
>>11982920They get more articles and features with every year, but of course if you're more nostalgic about 97 you might prefer itI like 98 personally, especially the intro music:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acuosToYtVs
>>11982920Encarta '94 on a 3.1 machine. It's very soulful.
>>11982930>>11982939I'll check it out. By any chance, is it possible to run it without the CD? I doubt it, but may as well ask.
>>11982943>is it possible to run it without the CD?If there's a way, I'm not aware.
>>11981731frankly i decided to boot a win95 build here with the 2600x i have and is quite damn good now to run even battlezone off the gold edition iso.
>>11982961I managed to get some old Windows games to work without a CD through a couple different ways, usually involving some combination of copying certain files and folders to the game directory and finding either a config file or registry key that points to a data directory on the CD drive and modifying it to point to the game directory instead. This mostly only seems to work on older titles, though, before companies wised up to this shit.
Oh? Could it be?
>>11983152Would really be nice if you can make it work. Especially the Deluxe version
It works! It's the Deluxe version, too!I just had to copy over the missing data folders from the CDs to the Encarta directory, then modify any Registry entries that are pointed at the E: drive to look to the main Encarta directory instead. Videos and everything appear to work.
>>11973426>thinks PCI, AGP, or ISA support passthroughhush child, you know not of what you speak
>>11971468Much better than 98
>>1198369498 is more stable and has much better driver support
For X86box, can you use nuked sc-55 (through LoopMidi)?
>>11983781Yes
>>11983915
>>11983762It is also more bloated, though thankfully there's 98lite. I do wish there was a way to keep the Explorer improvements without needing IE, though.
If you have SCVA installed, you can set to use system midi and use VST midi proxy.its perfectAlso i am using a win95 install a anon uploaded here a while ago, sucks that is voodoo 1, but is running battlezone and such on the 2600x at full speed here, the only issues i had were with Warcraft 1 having slowdowns on DOS
>>11983208Nice, I'll try that out next time
>>11976467yesss
>>11984121My new pack will use a Banshee instead, which is a lot more capable than the Voodoo, unlocks far higher resolutions in Windows, and may even be better for DOS (at least in theory, since it supports up to VESA 3.0). It'll also use Super Socket 7, which means you can use AMD K6-2 and III CPUs if your machine can handle them.
>>11984860i tried to boot tie fighter cd and dos went full slow modeAlso it would be nice to add some shaders for it too
>>11972206That snowman scared the shit out of me as a kid.
>>11984860A banshee is even weaker than a Voodoo 2. It’s only advantage over it is that it can do 2D, but then you can just use a Voodoo 3 which also does 2D
>>11985006I thought about it, and the reason I went with the Banshee over the Voodoo 2 is because 1. the games I'll be adding to the pack are not very intensive and probably won't benefit tremendously from the extra TMU (the CPU is more likely to be the bottleneck unless you have a powerful PC), and 2. I'd have to pair it with a good 2D card like one of the Matrox cards just to match the Banshee's 2D and resolution capabilities. Yes, a Voodoo 3 could also do the job, but again, that's overkill for the build I'm going for, and it loses out on DOS compatibility some. You can always modify it to your liking, of course, so long as you download the drivers.
>>1198517886box now supports voodoo 3
>you now remember the After Dark screensavers softwareback when i could entertain myself tweaking the settings of all the screensavers
>>11985178Fair enough
Any of you tried Chicago95?
>>11981628Mr. President...
Is there much reason to use 95 over 98? Any specific edge case /vr/ can attest to?
>>11982943Just mount it using daemon or whatever else in a virtual drive
>>11985929>daemonWindows supports mounting ISOs natively since W10, you don't need any extra software for thatBut you don't even need to do that when using an emulator like 86Box, you just select the ISO you want to insert in the VM directly in 86Box
>>11985912>Is there much reason to use 95 over 98?Not really unless you have a lot of nostalgia for 95 specifically. For most people, 98SE is the recommended option
>>11985912It is leaner and faster than W98, but that's about it, and only if you stick to OSR2 or OSR2.1, as OSR2.5 implements the new Explorer shell that Windows 98 also uses, which while having more features is also heavier and sometimes is even the cause of instability (at least on Windows 95 - many of the bugs were fixed in 98SE). There may be the odd program or two that only wants to work in Windows 95 for whatever reason, but it's not common at all. And for what it's worth, there's a "lite" build of Windows 98SE that uses the old, lighter shell from Windows 95, making it just about as fast while still retaining most of Windows 98's benefits.
>>11985912Windows 95's typeface fonts are slightly more sovlful than 98's, and it has a better startup sound though that barely matters when you can easily change it on Windows 98.
>>11985990>OSR2.5 implements the new Explorer shell that Windows 98 also usesWhen getting to an OSR2.5 desktop for the first time, just restart your machine when the Explorer setup Window appears and you won't have the new shell. It will also never bother you with it again
>>11976467EXILE 1-3 JESUS
>>11986018I did some testing between Windows 98 using the Windows 95 shell and the regular Windows 98 shell, and yeah, the latter is definitely slower. Not by a tremendous amount, mind you, but the difference is there on low-end machines. I'm sure it hardly matters if you have at least a 233 MHz Pentium MMX or so, though, and the Windows 98 shell is undoubtedly better and easier to navigate, IE integration nonwithstanding
>>11985806looks bad
>>11987214>the Windows 98 shell is undoubtedly better and easier to navigateDon't use the "My Computer" explorer (top) in W95, use "Windows Explorer" that's in Start>Programs (bottom)
>>11987301It's more than just the file manager. The newer shell also adds extra options like being able to easily create shortcuts on the desktop through a simple right-click Send To, as well as the ability to directly make changes to Start Menu folders and items on the Start Menu itself, among others. Again, shame that it's also tied to IE, though apparently some of the shittier aspects like Active Desktop can be decoupled.
>>11987382Hmm... Now I kinda wanna try that 98lite thing
>>11987613Easiest way right now is through the Windows 98 QuickInstall ISO:https://github.com/oerg866/win98-quickinstall
>>11987692Oh, so this is practically the same thing but open source?
>>11987703Well, the installer and related modules are open source. It basically just takes a pre-made installation of Windows and quickly installs it on your hard drive. I've tested it, and it really does install really fucking fast.
Oh, and IIRC it also installs every official update, which is also nice.
>>11987778Damn, I just installed the micro_directx81 ISO and I can confirm how fast it isIt's also great not having to babysit the installer. And damn, it even has 98lite included to swap shells at any time
>>11972485Why did he feel the need to show us how baby snowmen are made?
>>11988146That was the burning question of the time, I'm sure.
>>11976650Damn, along with a graphics card, you also needed a sound card.
>>11988994I remember downloading an MP3 of One Winged Angel off of Napster or something before I actually played the game and thinking it was the coolest shit (though I still prefer Dancing Mad). I didn't have a PlayStation, though, so I ended up getting it for PC instead. Imagine my disappointment when I got to Safer Sephiroth, hyped as fuck and ready to hear that epic music in its proper context, only to be met with a half-assed MIDI rendition instead.
>>11976178Moto Racer is awesome and way better than on psx
>>11987692>oerg866I'll just keep using my original install CD lmao
>>11989694Wtf is this type of autism
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>>11990087Our family's first PC ever was a Windows 95 machine with Packard Bell Navigator
>>11990110is there a name for this visual style? with all the low res dots all over everything? its a distinct mid 90s computer look but idk what to call it
>>11990121It's just dithering, which is used to compensate for low color depth. Without it there would be color banding everywhere and less perceived colors. GIFs often also use them because they're limited to 256 colors, but on modern, high DPI monitors it can be harder to noticeIn fact video games still have color banding issues even today which is why a lot of them use some sort of noise/grain filter as some form of dithering to eliminate it
>>11990121Here's an example of without and with dithering. Both images only have 16 colors
>>11990121>>11990134There's also the heavy use of prerendered graphics. That, together with relatively low frame rates in motion, completes the early to mid 90s PC software aesthetic for me.
>>11990110I remember my HP Pavilion that I had circa 1998 came with a similar program that was set to begin at startup. It looked like comic book strips or drawing, though. I wanna say it was called HP Personal Page? Searches yield close to nothing about it, though.
>>11990121I struggle to conceptualize how someone can not know what dithering is while being on this board.
>>11991521without gatekeeping these are the kind of people you'll get
>>11991521It's simple:>be born in 2003>be gay
>>11991521>>11991524>>11991535It could just be a tech-illiterate normalfag. That said, the younger zoomers are unfortunately starting to get old enough to get nostalgic about their childhood in the mid to late 2000's, which is why you're seeing more and more of them try to force 7th-gen discussion here (though admittedly part of that could be Discord raid trolling), and this board is all but unmoderated now, so they get away with it more often than not.
Fuck you Steve Ballmer! How do you even do this?
For me
>>11991698That's just Shinji with tits.
>>11971468Did it become abandonware? Could any computer made in the past decade even run it, or do you need a vintage computer that probably already has it?
>>11976650>required 32 Mb RAM and sound card>the PS1 version ran fine on 4 Mb RAM and no additional soundcard
>>11971468Not video games.
>>11991982Back to your Windows XP thread, faggot.
>>11991946it's basically as abandonware as amiga kickstart, the difference is there's noone at microsoft to breathe in your neck when you want to do a project based on an 30 years old system (internet archive freely uses win 3.1 to emulate old windows software)you could theoretically run it on new hardware but there are plenty of issues. old windows will crash if you have too much ram, no drivers so you're stuck with pure VGA with no sound and will 100% your cpu so it's not very healthy in the long term
>>11991946>>11992497You can also freely download it from WinWorld, along with every version of Windows up to Windows 2000. It's telling that at one point they also hosted Windows XP, but that was the only one they were asked to take down by MS.
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>>11990121>Is there a name for this?If you ask this on /vr/ you should be instantly underage b&
>>11993987>underage b&Sadly, people born in 2007 are legally adults now
Here's where my updated pack stands at the moment. Some games are still missing because I'm a retard and deleted the game ISOs off my hard drive for whatever reason, so I gotta grab them again. I've also decided I'm not going to install a couple of the games from the previous pack, such as Doom 95, because let's face it, you're either gonna play that on DOS or a source port, and it performs worse anyway. It'll be included in the DOS companion pack I'll be releasing alongside this pack, though.Other new things added to the pack include After Dark 10th Anniversary, which includes a few games along with a ton of neat screensavers. And speaking of screensavers, every officially included screensaver, wallpaper, and theme from Windows 3.x to Windows 2000/ME will be included as well.
>>11990121Mazda posters should be banned from /vr/
>>11991521im 40 and ive heard the term dithering before but i thought that was for video games in motion, much different than still images
>>11971468Trying to emulate a 1994 iso game on Windows 11. How does everyone else do it? I tried VirtualBox with a Windows 98 image I found on Archive, but it crashes after 5 minutes of playing and I haven't found the exact reason.
>>11996269Is it a Windows or DOS game? If it's Windows, it's probably a 16-bit Windows 3.x application since it obviously predates Windows 95. You could try it on a Windows 3.11 install in DOSBox or, at worst, on PCem. The latter is almost guaranteed to work, but DOSBox is much faster.
>>11976178Based.MotoRacer was bundled with my dad's Presario lappy back when that was brand new. I played the shit out of that game.
>>11996269What game specifically? Depending on the game it might even be perfectly playable on ScummVM. Even some dungeon crawlers like Eye of the Beholder or Lands of Lore are
>>11995396>i thought that was for video games in motion, much different than still imagesunderrated
