why is this game so soulful, anons?
>le quirky and zany basedrpgit's shit
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>>11985486I honestly don't see that lobbed at MOTHER 1 as much as I've seen it lobbed at MOTHER 2 and 3, even though it would logically make sense to lob it at it
>>11985481>More freedom than 99% of jarpigs>Has difficulty without being bullshit>Actually has decent combat with strategy to it>Simple, yet heartfelt and cohesive story >Good visual style>Has all the famous music tracks from EB>Great atmosphere of small towns with lots of trees, railroad you can ride, department stores, farms, etc.Hands down, one of the best RPGs of the era. EB surpasses it with the vibe and atmosphere, but M1 has by far better gameplay and a quiet charm to it>>11985486That's hardly even 1. This is a very exaggerated shitty impression of 2
>>11985524You fucking know what's up. Thank you, anon
>>11985486You've never played MOTHER 1, have you?>>11985509>even though it would logically make sense to lob it at itNot really. EarthBound is a lot more outwardly bizarre and quirky, while MOTHER (especially its second half) has this kind of tense, mysterious atmosphere that pervades throughout.
>>11985605Yeah, true
the Mother hate didn't really start until (western) indie games started becoming popular in the mid/late 2010s.If you could check archives of /v/ circa 2008~2010, you'd be surprised at how civil and good Mother threads were. One of the few times /v/ wasn't shitposty about something and could all gather together to enjoy something. When the Mother 3 fan translation came out it was like a /v/ golden age. Only other time /v/ was that happy about something was with Japan Time, but witjh Brawl, shitposting started quickly as soon as Melee tourneyfags started complaining and also the whole anti-Wii console war sentiment, but with Mother 3? Everyone loved the game and console wars didn't matter because PCfags could emulate GBA no problem and Sonyfags too on their PSPs.The only problem Mother threads had back then were a few pedoposters but those were quickly told to gtfo and didn't get to ruin threads as mods actually deleted their spam.The panorama took a 180 degree change now, most people will hate on Mother because they instantly relate it to undertale, plus there's juxtafag/family guy meme/broke me/milque spammimg and samefagging.
>>11985645yeah, that all in all sounds about right. A shame on the way things have gone.
Anybody got a favorite party member at all?
>>11986165The monkey from 3
>>11985524Mother is basically DQ2 on steroids. Everything about its gameplay, the freedom of movement, finding the other party members, the spells, the whole story being about finding a set of key items which aren't just token medals for beating a boss/dungeon but which are found in various ways; the way the encounter rate works etc etc even Ninten/Lloyd/Anna are basically Midenhall/Cannock/Moonbroke on steroids
>>11985645This site was also full of weebs at some point (not everyone will remember this) but things change man
>>119865342016 was the turning point>>11985645Mother 3Cave StoryGod HandThe trifecta of /v/ holy games circa 2008-2010
>>11985481Because you're not using the easy mod. If you play it vanilla, look forward to walking across a room for 20 mins, and impossible amounts of grinding.
>>11985524Mother 1 has the best version of Snowman Theme.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFpbJS0ALDE&ab_channel=GilvaSunner-MOTHER
>>11986605i use it myself because the game is obnoxious otherwise but what does that have to do with soul?
>>11986616Oh I read 'awful', fr. Not something I'd be surprised to see someone type.
>>11986198Salsabro... I respect it.>>11986434...Shit, with what I know of DQII, that tracks. I gotta get into more Dragon Quest
fuck this mansion
>>11985509You need to suffer through a good hour of 8-bit JRPG gameplay before the zany parts shine through.
>>11988219i think you can just go up up down down, or is it up down up downthe enemies are pretty hard though, so save it for lategame
>>11985645This copypasta again.
>>11985481>defend Earthbound for years after having played it a ton in my youth>finally decide to do a proper replay after a decade>it's kinda bland and boring and I drop it around twosonDamn
>>11988328I suppose that's fair. Game just no longer felt right for ya
>>11988853I feel like maybe the game just starts slow so I'll probably give it another try at some point.
>>11985481Because they crammed in as much soul as they could while ignoring the dogshit gameplay that makes it unplayable if you're used to arcade games.
>>11989024Exactly!>>11988871Yeah, I also remember it being a little slow
>>119883282 is the worst one
Made by an outsider more interested in emotionally connecting with the audience than making it hard to get a high score or loot box monetization.
>>11988316It's important to remember that a different time existed
>>11989767Then write something original.Kinda sad Starmen.net hasn't been updated in years.
>>11989854Yeah, Starmen.net has seen better days. Forums in general too, due to Discord and the like. But alas, such is fate.
>>11986559>2016 was the turning point2009 is when this site started changing, with all of that retarded operation wall street stuff. That attracted a lot of normalfags with delusions of grandeur.
>>11990207>with all of that retarded operation wall street stuff.The wall street stuff was fair, the problem is that they silenced that with race/gender/culture wars
I remembered this existed. Guidebook art back in the day was either kino or fucked, i think
>>11990207Social justice has stopped being cool in the wider culture so maybe better times are coming.
>>11990871dafaq is this from?
Did a playthrough recently, still goated
>>11985524>but M1 has by far better gameplayHow so?
>>11990963One of the many guidebooks of the game, specifically, it's the cover of the MOTHER Pre-Launch Comprehensive Checklist. The art inside usually looks like this, instead of also looking like the weird action comic art of that cover. I don't tend to like this art too much either. Those eyes feel off on Ninten.
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>>11992503Worth the reminder
>>11985645>Only other time /v/ was that happy about something was with Japan Time, but witjh Brawl, shitposting started quickly as soon as Melee tourneyfags started complaining and also the whole anti-Wii console war sentimentI actually made a brief thread yesterday about how zoomers were making a narrative on how pre-Brawl was the era of no rosterfaggotry.https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/719425459/You can scour any of those mentioned sites plus the wayback machine or old.sage.moe, you'll see the same kind of character autism you see in modern Smash jerk topics even during Melee's pre-release.
>>11992520>counterobsession over a /v/cow>worth of anything /v/tard culture was always shit, people called it /b/ 2.0 for a reason.
>>11986165duster because of the bass that plays when you hit
>>11986165My favorites are Ninten, Ness and Flint.
>>11989024>while ignoring the dogshit gameplayt. Tajiri
>>11986559Replace God Hand with Mega Man 9 and you pretty much have the late 200s /v/eddit circlejerk trinity only porn rotten idiots drum up about.Though Mother 3 is still the best of the 3 games.
>>11992568Ah, a fan of the "hit people with big stick" gang
>>11992559Mother threads were a rare exception where there was almost 0 shitposting, that's the thing.
>>11992926Almost, huh? What was the small amount of shitposting like, back in the day?
>>11992816that, and moves that boost offense
>>11985645Those threads were filled with tripfags so theyre garbage by default.
>>11992621You clearly weren't around for the god hand comic
>>11988328>>it's kinda bland and boring and I drop it around twosonI don't usually drop it until summers
>>11993081>The only problem Mother threads had back then were a few pedoposters but those were quickly told to gtfo and didn't get to ruin threads as mods actually deleted their spam.>>11993170I don't remember any tripfags on old Mother threads.
>>11993137Hell yeah! Also, good choice in Ninten art. You have taste
>>11990871I've never seen Engrish used as greeking before
>>11985481Beat Mother 1 last year. Literally one of the worst games I've ever played in my life. The absolute bottom of the barrel in an already shit-tier genre.
>>11993674It's just Dragon Quest with better overworld movement. What's "bottom of the barrel" about it?
>>11993674>>11992593
>>11993184I liked God Hand though.
>>11993170Are you talking about the Smash threads during Japan Time, there might've been some annoying tripfag retards back then but didn't leave a mark enough to etch a bad memory.
>>11993674Ok
>>11993674Black girl opinion.
>>11993674Filtered
>>11993704I can't even think of one aspect of the game that isn't dogshit. Maybe the artstyle? I guess it was very mildly funny a couple times? Everything else was just an utterly boring slog: mindlessly repetitive and tedious combat, zero strategy braindead teambuilding, dull exploration, nonsensical progression, even just moving feels like shit because there is like a second long delay on movement (no, it's not my TV, no, it's not emulation).What do people enjoy about these games? Just wander around like a jackass mashing one button for combat and enjoy the "vibes"? Genuinely no idea.
>>11994276>mindlessly repetitive and tedious combat, zero strategy braindead teambuildingThere's definitely strategy involved in combat especially during the endgame, you won't win by just spamming the same thing on all enemies.>dull explorationWhat do you mean "dull"?>nonsensical progressionWhy?>even just moving feels like shit because there is like a second long delay on movement (no, it's not my TV, no, it's not emulation).It's something on your end. I played both FC and GBA versions on rela hardware and there's no delay
>>11985524>>Has difficulty without being bullshitExcept Mt Itoi and before someone starts sperging out the devs literally admitted that they didn't have time to playtest the area>EB surpasses it with the vibe and atmosphereDon't know about that, Mother 1 feels more mysterious and it's absolutely my kind of thing
>>11994276>Just wander around like a jackass mashing one button for combat and enjoy the "vibes"?Truly ahead of its time, a SNES/PS1 JRPG on the NES
>>11994343Except you can’t do that, because your party members will then attack the opponent you already killed. Someone didn’t actually play the game.
>>11994336>It's something on your end. I played both FC and GBA versions on rela hardware and there's no delayWhy are you lying? Or are you really this oblivious? There is a 3-16 frame delay before you start moving or changing directions that is, as far as I can tell, random (and this is just frame stepping, so doesn't even include your display or setup latency). The worst part is that you actually have to hold button the entire time or else it will just eat the input. So you could literally hold the button for 10+ frames and release and it would still eat your input if you weren't holding it during the 3-4 times a second it scans for direction inputs. I've tested this same behavior in both Mesen and Nestopia, both Mother JP and Earthbound Beginnings, and it's blatantly obvious on original hardware too. Pretty much all other games of the era are consistent 2-3 frame delay. It just feels awful to have the one element of "gameplay" that's there to be so sluggish and inconsistent. I literally noticed it within the starting room of the game.
>>11994357>Someone didn’t actually play the game.Neo-/vr/? Not playing games? Naaaaah
>>11994336Such incredible strategy like >use heal when low HP>don't all attack one low HP enemy>spam defensive psi and sing against giygasThere is a reason the auto-battler works fine for >95% of the fights in the game. You can just spam that the entire time, and then just manually override it in the few times it gets caught in a loop. It's truly some of the most braindead, mind-numbing bullshit imaginable that is also extremely slowly paced in animations and text scroll (even at speed 5). >What do you mean "dull"?Generic copy-pasted corridors, with lame copy-pasted enemies that you all fight the same way, with lame copy-pasted items that you don't care about, and most of the time can't even pick up due to the laughably small item limit.>Why?Try playing without a guide and you'll see. Also does the usual jarpig crap of talk to every NPC to arbitrarily advance the plot. I genuinely don't see how anyone can enjoy these types of games unless you are just a complete invalid.
>>11994372Oh, you're just a shmupsfag
>>11994385>>11994276>>11993674>I genuinely don't see how anyone can enjoy these types of gamesWait til you play the NES Final Fantasy games. One of the reasons why Mother 1 is held in such high regard is because it's not a broken frustrating mess of a game
>>11985481>somehow Magicant hasn't been brought up yetIs there anyone who didn't go there as soon as you found the horn and knew how to get there? There's no right for the best armor and accessories being available this early on. You're literally required to go through the dungeon to access the next city, so it isn't even like you'll end up in Magicant way later than you need to be.This made the game's pacing very weird for me, but I appreciate the sentiment by the developers for letting you access it early on due to how grindy the midgame portion can be.
>>11994412so most people feel a quarter second delay on movement and think nothing of it? They tap a direction briefly and the game just eats their input and does nothing and they think that's normal?Compare it to any other top down game and it just feels like garbage. I know it's turn-based, but still.
>>11994427>There's no right for the best armor and accessories being available this early on.In the original Japanese version there was no ATM access in Magicant, so you probably wouldn't have the money on you during the first visit. That's why it's like that.
>>11994434I dunno, my game plays just fine
>>11994464Yours is no different, you are just an oblivious dumbfuck.
>>11994372Hmm. Works on my machine
>>11989723This is why I will always defend the concept of art games.
>>11994427second best weapon is in queen mary's castle too, but you can miss that one.
>>11986165Replace Pokey and Mr. Saturn with King, Bubble Monkey or Flying Man. Those 3 could actually do stuff while Pokey does nothing, and Mr. Saturn is never a party member.I would say Dungeon Man but he would probably take up too much of the picture.
>>11994454Doubt it would have mattered that much considering how close the tunnel to the horn horn/stone was located next to Podunk. It's only inconvenient when you enter Magicant for the first time and don't have enough money on hand to afford the items.>>11994623Boomerang? I found it when I checked every item in the castle but you can already purchase it by the time you Merrysville.
>>11994598the game only checks for directional inputs every 15 frames or so and won't detect until it checks or anything released before then. Use the pause and frame step feature and you will see. Also just tested it in Ares, and within one second and a single input, it was blatantly obvious the issue is there.
>>11994385>>use heal when low HP>>don't all attack one low HP enemyThere's a lot more than that, i don't think you really played the game.
>>11994657yeah. in that room the other five presents have different treasures, but opening one opens them all. only other notable treasure is a stat up pill though.
>>11994598Why are you lying? This is a well-known and documented issue on original hardware and every emulator.
>>11994667>This is a well-known and documented issue on original hardwareSource?
>>11994659>>11994667I gave you video proof, no lies! Must be an issue with your setup.
>>11994660Occasionally you can use a psi ability but every single fight in the game aside from giygas can be beaten with auto-battler. It's a truly braindead game, similar to tic-tac-toe, except with an auto function.
>>11994674>aside from giygas can be beaten with auto-battler.you would be getting constant game overs if you auto'd the whole part after Teddy's town. I don't believe you played the game
>>11994684Read you stupid fuck, I already said >>11994385 a couple fights the stupid auto battle algorithm gets caught in a loop, but they are all still winnable with auto-battler aside from Giygas. For 95% of the fights in the game, nothing even needs to be done, just set auto while the game plays itself (aka tic-tac-toe)You truly have to be a subhuman invalid to think there is any strategic depth or challenge here.
>>11994698You seem angry. Also I still don't believe you.
>>11994698>he attacked enemies that were already gone and got 100 game overspathetic
>>11994672An on-screen overlay is not proof, it's just set to show inputs when the game checks them rather than when they are physically pressed.
>>11994714Wrong, that's mesen's input overlay. You can test it yourself
>>11994721I've literally tested Earthbound Beginnings rom and Mother 1 JP rom in RetroArch's Nestopia core, RetroArch's Mesen core, Ares NES emulator, and on my MiSTer FPGA. The exact same behavior is present in all of them. If you truly are just a retarded invalid who can't notice how sluggish it is, then the easiest way to tell is to quickly tap a direction one time as fast as you can then wait to see if the game responds. Then just observe how the game ignores 75% of them.
Do frame inputs really matter in a JRPG, outside of speedruns? Frame inputs mattering in fighting games or overall way more frenetic genres makes sense, but this is a turn-based JRPG. I think we can forgive it for being a little sluggish, unless we're like, speedrunners.
>>11994734He's just trying to come up with any bullshit in order to generate drama. There's no "known delay issue" with the game.
>>11994734It really does feel absolutely fucking awful, the first thing I noticed in the starting room of the game. I've never played any top-down or isometric game that felt so sluggish and ate your inputs so frequently.
>>11994726?
>>11994749fucking illiterate retard mashing the button, that's not what I said https://streamable.com/7a92fnLOOK AT THIS SHIT.
>>11994774holy fuck that's awful, how do retards play this
>>11994774Your setup must be faulty
>>11994781>your setup must be faulty>which is why it applies to every rom of the game>and on four different emulators, including RetroArch cores and standalone emulators>and on three different controllers>and also on the fucking MiSTer>and also it's documented on numerous message boards>and it doesn't apply to a single one of the hundreds of other games you've played without issue>but it's your setup bro XDyou're playing with some mutt zoomer romhack apparently. kys retard
>>11994794Calm down bro, it's just a game.
>>11994797>haha I got him EPIC TROLE style XDkys retarded shitstain
How do you all envision this boy when you play? Any headcanons or the like?
>>11995241Massive penis.
>>11995427...huh
Woah what happened here?
>>11995910mutual combat
me when the ultra barbot spams pk gamma
>>11995910An ambush, it looks like
>>11995910They're searching for watermelon
Why was this sword given a 1/128 chance of dropping
>>11985509Because nobody cares about mother 1 is the real answer. We just pretend to do so we can shit on people who like the later games which are just objectively better.Its literally the same shit but jankier and less interesting to the point earthbound is almost a remake 4chan loved mother 3 until normies found out it existed and it was no longer a secret club and became the most special game in the series so gotta move on to mother 1I in real time saw /v/ opinion shift about mother 3 with the nerral port video
>>11988328Mother 1 is a generic dq clone with bad pacing but wacky enemies Mother 2 is just that again but with a few cool areas like moonside and i like the 3rd strongest mole joke but tons of forgettable garbage too like the sewers and giant dino landMother 3 is genuinely the only one that consistently makes me laugh, feel anything, and keeps my attention but even that game has a few areas i wouldn’t mind cut like the mermaid underwater section.Its a shame all online discourse of it got ruined by late 2010 youtube video essay’s being overdramatic. Their was this cool guy i knew in highschool that told me about mother 3 back in early 2010s who lost his mom and it was obvious in the way he talked he held it close to his heart so the game does hit some notes in its scenes.Also its the only one that actually feels like it has nintendos touch in how its balanced with consistent challenge instead of falling apart at the halfway point when you suddenly overpower everything like a typical jrpg which the first 2 games get plauged by. The rhythm aspect adds to that feeling that Nintendo was more hands on. Duster is best party member and having a dedicated cc buff character that actually can land his cc on boss enemies is cool
>>119965133 is the weakest by far.
>>11996516Incorrect but i won’t argue with you because i feel like you already know you’re wrong.
>>11996513You're kidding. 3 is way too easy.
>>11996521I mean all jrpgs are pretty easy, but its harder than 1 and 2 which pretty much give up on being difficult halfway into the 2nd area.
>>11996529You can beat every enemy in one turn thanks to sound battles and getting a game over has no drawbacks, the onsens give a full restore for free. It's the only game in the series I wish was harder or had a hack that makes things more difficult (fan translation hard mode isn't hard enough) because battles end so quickly.
>>11996601Idk maybe i didn’t bother learning the time thing and had a great time. If you autistically learn every enemy timer to kill them faster, prob still more difficult than the first two games which in both you outscale pretty much every challenge really early into the game like enemies just straight up don’t have stats after the unbalanced pain on the ass no party member part
>>11996618>autistically learn every enemy timeror... just have a sense of rhythm? Mother 3 is a cakewalk
>>11996623Okay sure i guess you memorized the timer for every single enemy in a game you don’t like, and the first two games i can assure you are easier like the hardest part of both of them is the first 2 hours before it falls apart and you are just too strong. Like earthbound by threesome literally is on autopilot autobattle
>>11996490>less interesting to the point earthbound is almost a remakethis is the definitive statement of people who have never touched mother 1 >butdon't care, get out.
>>11996768Yeah except its so similar it might as well beSeethe tho
>>11996513>halfway point when you suddenly overpower everything like a typical jrpg which the first 2 games get plauged byNigger, Ghost of Starman is the single most threatening thing in the game, and it only appears in the last two hours.
>>11996798>>11996513And Mt. Itoi is so difficult that the devs admitted it wasn't playtested. Absolutely retarded/bot post.
>>11996626You don't need to "memorize a timer", it's music. And I never said I didn't like the game, just that it's easy. Mother 2 is unironically the hardest if you don't abuse items.
>>11996490The issue with Mother 3 is the awful fan translation. It really sucked the energy out of the script.
>>11996798bro? your rabbit's foot on paula + psi shield epsilon turn 1?
>>11996838That's more thought than anything in Mother 3 takes.
I honestly was not expecting this much argument in a MOTHER thread. I mean, I expected at least some, but not like, this much
>>11997371It's a series that generate a lot of passion, both for fans and for haters
>>11997417this is true, us MOTHER fans are indeed incredibly passionate, as seen with the creation of the MOTHER 3 fan translation, several documentaries, all the fan art, music, and fan games... It's honestly astonishing. Stay strong, MOTHERbros... No matter if you are a MOTHER 1 fan, a MOTHER 2 fan, or a fan of MOTHER 3.
>>119964901 feels like a horror game half of the time and I love it, that's why it's my favourite
>>11997550Thanks anon
>>11997550Excellent ironic shitpost anon I hate you
why the fuck didn't you get to fight the ultimate chimera
>>11997970Because you can't beat it, only turn it off.
>>11998112You ever wanna know what the fuck kinda animals they slapped together to create that thing? How many kinds of animal make up that abomination
>>11996782>Yeah except its so similarloooooooool
Lloyd or Jeff, anons
