Mario 64, Sonic Adventure and Crash, are all good and if you disagree you're most likely a console-war fag who's missing seriously out
Classic Sonic is goodGreen eyes Sonic and his games are awfull
>>11999591They're all flawed.What one lacks, another makes up for it.
Crash 1 was okay but flawed. They made up for it by refining and creating two excellent sequels.Sonic Adventure 1 was okay but flawed. They made up for it by refining and creating an excellent sequel.Mario 64 was okay but flawed. It was all you got for that console generation.
>Sonic Adventure>good
>>11999612>preferring crash 2 and 3 over 1
>>11999591Crash doesn't deserve to stand next to the other two.
>>11999593fpbp
>>11999671yeah, he mogged them hard during the 5th gen
It's a shame Sonic Team won't make anything this good ever again
Sonic is great in 2D and jank or glorified QTE-fest in 3D. Has great potential but hardly ever delivers on it.Crash is ok. Just ok. Doesn't reach the highs of the others but it's solid.Mario is a bit janky in some places but otherwise blows the others out of the water. Has the most interesting levels and most engaging controls.
>>11999741No, Sonic was ok in 2D. Just ok. People overrate the fuck out of the genesis games.
>>11999741Sonic has always been better in 3D. The genesis games are worse than most Kirby and DK games from the same time frame.
>>11999763Every genesis game has a different design philosophy, they knew how to make games but they never knew how to evolve the formula.
>>11999763>People overrate the fuck out of the genesis games.Sorry not sorry, bing bing wahoo wahoo n*gg*
2D Sonic: not that difficult to complete, but it has a ton of optional routes to explore and optimizing movement and playing with the physics is fun. 3D Mario feels more like 2D Sonic than it feels like 2D Mario in that sense. 3D World is what a proper 3D version of a 2D Mario game would be like. I haven't played many 3D Sonic games but none of them have felt like they had the rolling ball physics Sonic is famous for, and they also had these weird sections where he's running automatically and you use shoulder buttons to switch lanes that I thought felt more like a weird racing game than Sonic.
>>11999780Super Mario Bros is kind of a response to Pitfall, Sonic is a response to Mario, Crash was literally codenamed "ass Sonic"... But Bubsy...fuck Bubsy.The Tiny Toons left a more legitimate imprint on the industry being licenseshit than Bubsy...
>>11999809It depends what 3d sonic game you mean. SA1 doesnt have these lane sections and the levels are more open, and it absolutely does have rolling ball physics and you can mess a ton around with movement in that game too (though in a different way than in classic sonic).
>>11999830I guess I have to try that game then. Because the other 3D ones I tried kinda sucked. The 3D sections of Generations were the least fun part of that game.
>>11999678Your meme game sucks. Crash games are so boring lmao. There's a reason it fucking bombed when they tried to bring it back (no one rightfully gives a fuck about it)
>>11999836Better than collectathons
>>11999831Yeah, 3D sonic is a bit of a mess of a series. They kept changing the desing philosophy along the way. If you didn't like one game, another, with a totally different design,might be more to your liking. That's part of the fun of the franchise! A tip for SA1: there's a beta version of the windy hill level, which some consider to be the best level in the game. There are mods that reimplement it. Also, here's a taste for what you can do in this game:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cDH1Jv88iLA&pp=ygUac2ExIGVtZXJhbGQgY29hc3Qgc3BlZWRydW4%3DBasically, the spin dash, and spin dash jumping off slopes is totally busted!
>>11999836>tacky low effort cash grab by AssDivision and DildosForBob wasn't a slamdunk success
>>11999836Arguably less of a meme than Sonic. At least Crash was a legitimate platformer.
>>11999831Generations is a turd that took the best elements of Unleashed and 2D Sonic with little of what made them good.
>>11999591Gex > all
>>11999949Based and tailtimepilled
>>11999949I'm glad no one cares about Gex. It's the one classic series in which I was spared of having to watch get dragged through the mud.
>>11999591They're all bad but the 2d games are good, so what do you say to that zillennial
>>11999810Don't talk about things you don't know anything about
Hugo
>>11999593>he got filtered by ARYANic
>>11999593do you at least pretend to like it to hook up with youngfolk who don't know you're old because you don't live like shit? :-)
>>11999591Spyro would be a better comparison IMO. Crash is closer to DKC than it is mario or sonic.
>>11999591>Sonic is a mutation copying Mario>Crash is a mutation copying SonicWho is the mutation that copied Crash?
>>11999836The 3D Crash games are better than the 3D Sonics.
>>12001541Then Sonic doesn't belong up there either. Knuckles and Rouge in SA2 are more collectathon mascots.
>>11999831After the adventure games they threw out the physics platforming and more open ended stages. Both are on steam for cheap, if you decide to do the chao garden stuff just know SA1s version is basically a tech demo when compared to SA2s garden.
>>12001569SA1 still has the same feeling. The casino for example just lets you kind of run around and collect rings however you want. Other stages have similar sections, but it's usually just a small part of the level in comparison.It's not until SA2 that all of sonics stages start to look like speed highway in terms of design.
>>11999591>singlehandedly ruins your otherwise decent platformer with fucking fishing levelsnothing personnel kid
>>12001561As a crash denier and an og sonic fag, I will recede to this point. Crash is indeed better than SA or anything afterwards. But imho gex 2/3 is better than crash.
>>12001482>Green eyes >Aryan Sure gypsy
>>12001352Oh, STFU, don't tell me Bubsyfags exist.
>>12001556>Who is the mutation that copied Crash?Ratchet?
>>12001556Ty the tasmanian tiger?
>>12001556Kao?
>>12001556Pac-Man?(bait, bait, please take a break to calm your tits down before replying to this)
>>12001783You don't need to play him tho
>>12001530eww wtf
>>11999949*turns head slightly back*>Boy, this reminds me of Christmas at Keith Richards' house
>>11999591>Crashlil bro thinkin he's part of the group
>>12002002This crux has got to be resolved. I have a feeling gex is going to overthrow crash and that's a good thing. South American saars will say gex.
>>12001886You have to beat the game with all 6 characters to unlock super sonic and the final fight
>>12001530based
>>11999810And yet Bubsy is now still more relevant than Tiny Toons. Just accept the bobcat won. It will make things easier you in the long run now that the king has properly taken his throne.
>>11999810Pitfall was a response to Smurf’s: Rescue in Gargamel’s Castle
>>12001556
>>12002147Ohnonono, is it actually from before Pitfall?I thought Smurfs was from '83>It's all licenseshit
>>12002134I don't care that much for the Tiny Toons, I just gave an example on license shit that has better controls and mechanics.Disney's Aladdin gave us better games...Toy's story too...
>>12002178I can’t find anything definitive either way. Everything says Smurfs came out September 1982. Some sources say Pitfall! Came out in April or July, but then there’s this article from the end of July that says it’s slated for release in September. Seems like a “so close it doesn’t really matter” thing.
>>12002186>Bro really investigated It's always good to meet cool anons
>>12002012You don't have to do the final fight tho
>>12002007???
>>12002267What is the point of playing the game if you don't even get to fight perfect chaos?
>>12002267You literally did not beat the game
>>12003483I end when the game stops being good. I don't care if it fits your definition of me beating the game
>>12003335You get to play through Sonic's campaign. I also don't always collect the chaos emeralds in the 2D Sonic games.
>>12002147>>12002178Doesn't PacLand predate them both?
Sonic Adventure is the elephant in the room here. Mario 64 and Crash are all-time classics. Sonic Adventure is ok. He peaked in 16 bits on the Genesis if we’re console warring. Crash didn’t exist yet and the Sonic games are better than Super Mario World and Yoshi’s Island. I’d say DKC (especially 2) would be the best platformers on SNES, abd Crash is derived from them. The best 2d Mario platformer is SMB3. Not sure Sonic was ever better than that one. It’s the glitchiest of the 3. It tries to cram the most gameplay styles into one game. Nobody needed Tail’s Panzer Dragoon Jr., Big’s fishing, bad kart racing, stupid Amy or even the Chao Garden. It could have taken a page from Mario and Crash and just tried to do one thing well. They wasted resources and didn’t make the actual Sonic levels or physics engine as good as it needed to be.It tried to have a big story element, whereas Mario and Crash knew that a minimal story was timeless. The story segments make me cringe, and they did back in the day too. Why did they put Sonic in a human city with nightmare humans? Is this supposed to be where he lives? This isn’t to say it’s terrible, I just don’t think it’s on the 10/10 level the other 2 are. To the devs credit, the physics of Sonic are way harder than Mario’s to translate to 3d. They didn’t get it quite right, Sonic is hard to control and it doesn’t really have the pinball feel, and finding different paths is more like taking forks in the road than mastering the unique physics to go to new places like the 2d games. 3d Sonic is a tall order. Crash just took the basic physics of Donkey Kong Country and made a polygonal 3d game out of it. It doesn’t seem innovative today but it sure was in 1996. It has great level design. Mario 64 has great open world sandbox level design. Sonic feels like you’re either speeding along going from setpiece to setpiece or very jankily trying to do precise platforming with a rocket powered top.
>>12004580>Crash>an all-time classiclol
>>12004492No, that’s from a couple years after
>>12004604cope
>>12004580>the Sonic games are better than Super Mario World and Yoshi’s IslandOmg no. How do people not see how amateurish those genesis games were?
>>12004701How do you not see how impressive the physics were and how genius the level design was at times? I understand that classic sonic is not everyones cup of tea, but calling them amaturish is just objectively wrong: those devs were masters of their craft
>>12004580Thanks ChatGPT.
>>12004580The Sonic adventure glitches are from the half assed gamecube port. Where they doubled the frame rate but not the physics, so you get weird bugs like clipping through the loop in emerald coast.
>>12004735The levels are vast but they just feel cluttered with simple gimmicky contraptions that often repeat themselves. It starts to feel rather routine and dull after a while. The level design in SMB3 and SMW seemed a lot more clever.
