I feel guilty when I emulate on PC. What about you anon?
>>12001285You shouldn't. You're getting a trash experience compared to people playing on actual hardware.
>>12001285Why guilty? what is there to feel guilty about?
If I play the same games on a CFW system, I won't feel guilty. But obviously Duckstation is way better than playing PS1 isos on PS TV or PS3.This guilt problem needs to stop.
I dont feel anything at all
>>12001289>You shouldn't. You're getting a trash experience compared to people playing on actual hardware.Bullshit. Especially PS1 better emulated and it can be cozy if you have a cozy retro setup.
>>12001285>guiltyI think instead of guilt, what you're actually feeling is fear that you might unwittingly be installing spyware on your PC.
>>12001285I own most shit i emulate, so not reallyi just cant be fucked to lug out my consoles and upscalers anymore, usually use the mister now, my actual carts just sitting on my shelf and even then i usually just use a flashcart unless it's a save game like FF6 or something
I feel alive when I emulate pirated gæms
I'm brapping this thread, with no survivors.*BRRRRRAAAAAAAAPPPPPPP*
>>12001285Emulation is for poors. Me? I only play on real hardware.
>>12001291Because emulation is stealing
>>12001357I need to know the story behind this pic
>>12001289Fpbp
>>12001285You're objectively getting a worse experience is why. You aren't playing the game it's meant to be played, and I say that in regards primarily to accuracy. The only thing that matters is accuracy, and even the most accurate emulation is still not up to snuff with the real thing.
>>12001362Just some Chads playing on their Chad real hardware in the Chad woods
>>12001285Fuck off retard
>>12001285It's because you';; play games like an addict (5+ hours a week). Normal people don't play games. Through my 100% objectively accurate research I've found real hardware "people" don't do this either, they instead post badly taken pictures of their real hardware, possibly with a title screen or very early game picture if they can be bothered to turn it on. They might make vague statements about popular games, either way it is always followed by 5+ hours of looking at emulation bug trackers, which is not an addiction.
>>12001285Why? Emulation lets me play all the games I've missed on hardware I've never owned with enhancements the devs never thought of. It's peak gaming experience when all games come together on one system.
>>12001401>Why?It's a falseflagging thread.
>>12001395This is just an exhausting self report kek
>>12001409learn what false flagging is retard
>>12001416You're not very smart, are you?
>>12001415Addict spotted.
>>12001375>Chad woods>gravel path>tiny pathetic "campfire" in mom's flower pot>huddled directly adjacent to it for meager warmth, pressed against other men
>>12001285Oh no, think of all the hoarders and gatekeeping collectors... They could have really used that 200 bucks for silent hill 2 and to deprive them that is morally totally acceptable. screw them anon
>>12001421Nah, I'm just not a self righteous smug retard. I like playing video games, that's it.
>>12001457>the retard snorted smugly >at an obvious shitpostTalk about exhausting self-reports.
Just buy and emulate then.
>>12001285You should. It is illegal which means it is immoral.
>>12001450I don't have a problem with the download part. I have a problem with the PC.
>>12001468>Merely pretending to be retarded! Retard.
>>12001486Don't sell yourself short, you are the genuine article.
>>12001285That game is about 30 years old anonDo you feel guilty about reading the canterbury tales
>>12001285>feeling guilty over pirating shit they took off the shelves 25 years ago>feeling guilty over pirating shit, periodoh say can you see
>>12001490Pretty sure I've interacted with you before, and you're always an insufferable fucking faggot
>>12001289>You're getting a trash experience compared to people playing on actual hardware.I hope that with actual hardware you mean the screen.
>>12001289Lmao
>>12001285I feel guilty, because i could be playing on original copies i own. I feel zero emotions pirating modern games with no physical release.
Not "guilty" but while I'm on the PC and I'm not putting out "content" I feel like I should be using my time more wisely since if I don't fatten up my gallery I'm less likely to get commissions. With that said I have a chinkheld I love with all my heart and I emulate on there all the time!
>>12001395>play games like an addict (5+ hours a week)Doc...I think I've overdosed
>>12001285no way fag
>>12001529I can't say I have interacted with someone as dense as you. Considering it happens often to you, maybe you might want to do some self-reflection?
>>12001395>5+ hoursWhat are you, the WHO?
Matthew 6:5And when you game, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to do it while standing on social media and on imageboards to be seen by others. But when you game, go into your room, close the door and play for your own soul, which is unseen. Then your soul, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you play, do not keep on babbling like coomllectors, for they think they will be heard because of their many pieces of plastic. Do not be like them, for your soul knows what you need before you ask it.
>>12001581Nah, it's a you problem. You have a very distinct autistic cunt pattern of speaking
>>12001285I prefer real hardware and media I only use one emulated dedicated 8 bit machine in an idemtical form factor with fully licsensed firmare and games I have the original restored but don't want to tape load it all the time but sometimes I do anyway. yes I have CRT ofr lightgun games and a thousad plus PS1/PS2/Cartridges/CDs/DVD/Tapes peripherals and accesories all originals riginals and I fucking love looking through the library on shelves and firing up and original retro console or computer . Absolte bliss.
>>12001628Coming from the guy throwing a continued one-sided fit because he takes everything super seriously. What an exhausting self-report, one might say.
>>12001628>blubbering and sputtering as the seething rage causes anons brain to short circuit I suggest applying a wet towel against your forehead to bring the fever down.
>>12001687>>12001679Seethe
>>12001529It's unreal how bullyable you are. To the point I'd worry if you aren't just a sock puppet for someone's comedy routine.
>>12001712I really cut you deep with that one huh?
>>12001707You don't need to sign your posts.
>>12001714Sure, if it keeps you posting. It's pretty funny.
>>12001718>>12001719Not mad btw kek
Kill yourself
>>12001757Huge mad
>>12001721>kekSays otherwise. Now don't want you angry all day, it's not worth it. So as catharsis, get your best retort and insults ready. I promise I will read them.
>>12001285Fucking why? Are you an idi>frog spamAh!
>>12001768>>12001721Still mad kek
>>12001420it's called shitposting, not false flagging you absolute mong
stop we sould all be frens we all love the same shit (aside from nintendo of course but fuck they are still distant interest relatives of some sort)
Emulation gets my dick hard. I can't think of a bigger fuck you to the gaming industry than having 100-200 games on my harddrive that can last me a lifetime if need be. It's one thing to pirate new games. It's another to not even pay attention to them, to decide they aren't even worth the space on your hard drive. And fuck giving some neckbearded reseller hundreds of dollars for original hardware. Giving any money to the gaming market is far more immoral than emulating games. This is an industry that has decided that you should not be able to own games that you pay for, that single player games should require internet connections and that games should not be fun experiences but either casinos or HR lectures. Most of the devs that made these games have retired and have been replaced by people who actively hate you. They hate you having fun because if you're having fun you're not feeding into their dreams of an online casino, subscription service or timeshare scam that they are masquerading as a game. I'd rather give money to people recreating these experiences via open source software than some overglorified landlord with a warehouse full of pajeets toiling away at Unreal 5
When emulation was new and you could run a Genesis game on your home PC it was incredible. Even if it wasn't accurate. Now you have signal-accurate emulators which are barely better in terms of fun, it's great.
What a bunch of nonsense in the shape of text, as expected from a low quality thread
>>12001285I don't because I've paid for so many games you'd never believe it. And I was pressured to sell my collection, so, emulation helps make up for it too.
>>12001289^this post brought to you by the Year 2007
>>12001370>and even the most accurate emulation is still not up to snuff with the real thingThis reads like a deluded audiophile post. Have you guys just not updated your emulators or what? With few exceptions, you can't tell the difference in 2025 A.D., bros.
>>12001473>It is illegal which means it is immorallol if only. It's illegal in some places to give some help. Now what?Having said that, I do believe that emulating new material can be immoral.
>>12002485The real immoral thing, and why modern emulation communities are trash, is spreading it on social media.
>>12001285Emulation is for poor people/ very specific jap games. Ive dropped like 3k in the last 2 months on dreamcast stuff because Im that fucking guy
>>12002487True. I kept emuparadise secret for as long as I could, I mean after is allegedly died. Now it's really dead. It's just too much of a sure bet with social media that at least one soulless asshole will call Nintendo, the self-appointed Video Game Police, yup.It was better in 2005 (when I first learned of emu) because smart phones weren't that good yet, so the real killjoy retards were naturally gatekept. Emulation was for us only, now it's for everyone, to vandalize and institutionalize, just like everything else in life.
>>12002506>Emulation is for poor people/ very specific jap games.It's for everyone who isn't rich now because Trump got rid of the 90-year-old de minimis exception, so Japanese games that cost $20.00+$10.00 for shipping to come out to $30.00 (before tax) will now be roughly 8000% more [sic]. Yes. It's fuckin' over because of the damn government. You can forget about building that physical Japanese collection now.
>>12002458Unless you play it on the original plastic it's total shit.Except for arcade games. It's perfectly fine to play those on an arcade port collection for consoles with a fucking game pad.
>>12001285I already own more games than I could play. I probably own the games I'm emulating. I coudln't care less. In fact if I think I'm actually pirating something. It reminds me of how it felt as a child when installed a mod chip into my xbox or when my dad was pirating satellite television and my friends and I could enjoy Pay Per View television for free. Pride
>>12002542A Gamecube controller feels way better than an NES controller and cannot be discerned from the original when displayed on a CRT with a 240p enable device.-t. likes me modded Wii (me, not my)
>>12001289Based
>>12001285I don’t fe guilty but I refuse to play any game designed for a crt without a crt. I’m considering getting an rgbpi.
>>12001285Nigger, I've been emulating since before you were born. It is nothing to be ashamed of.
>>12001285let me guess, you are a nintendo bootlicker
>>12002591Why emulate in the 90s when the used retro video game market wasn’t gouged by ecelebs yet? I exclusively played nes well into the 2000s because I bought most games at thrift stores and yard sales for a few dollars.
>>12001285no, i think it's cool i can just fire up a ton of old games for free.
>>12002602cause in the 90's I was a kid, and didn't have income. I thought this advantage of emulation would have been clear to you.>I bought at thrift storesThere were over a thousand games produced for the NES. Emulation meant that it was ALL accessible to you.>you're poorI don't spend where I can save.
>>12002602Brainrot the comment.
>>12001621amen
>>12002376Only correct post itt.
Samefagging because no one cared about that garbage wall of text, shameful display.
There isn't a single good argument against emulation, and that's regardless of whether or not you're a collector or if you only personally like to play on real hardware.
>>12002660Inferior experience
>>12002660I don't need to argue against what is so obviously, inherently flawed.
>>12002376Unfathomably based
>>12002660Cycle accuracy Playing games designed for a crt on an lcd
>>12002676Sure, and? Emulation has a lot of different uses and applications, it's not supposed to be a replacement for the real experience, at least not in our lifetimes. You niggers can't stop picking sides about everything, get a grip.
>>12002694
>>12002706You can stop replying to me already, OP. Emulation will never stop progressing and whatever company is paying you cents to shitpost will lose money due piracy and emulation :^)
>>12002694>it's not supposed to be a replacement for the real experience, at least not in our lifetimesNta, but it's 1:1 now in most cases. It's definitely replaced many games in the full meaning of the word. Ever play Pong arcade for real lately? And you bet I'm going to build my own fake Donkey Kong cabinet and others because acquiring some of them within reason is too hard or cost prohibitive.The insignificant difference between a real DK cab and a fake one can't even be seen or detected with the human eye, so who cares?Now, Robotron is a different story and runs too fast in MAME, but they're known.
>>12002718>The insignificant difference between a real DK cab and a fake one can't even be seen or detected with the human eyehttps://youtu.be/ibmuMFf5xlg
>>12002709>not addressing the inferior interface experience, thinks it's about fidelity>needs to imagine people who disagree with him as lesserHurt feelings much? Feel better soon.
>>12002727I said with the human eye, not a recording set in such a way to catch a rendering issue inherent to MAME. Billy Mitchell did cheat, but during gameplay no one on Earth could have known that, assuming he was using a 4-way stick and not an 8-way or any other prohibited piece of hardware. So, a person could play fairly at DK with a fairly accurate version of MAME and the emulation of said game wouldn't deviate from the arcade one bit, except for a rendering difference that can't even be seen live by human beings.
>>12002751you're replying to bait.
>>12002761Not everything is bait, and if it is, how can I know that in every case? Time to turn off the Internet?Nah, I just reply like I'm supposed to.And either way, I'm setting the record straight irradisregardlessismly.
>>12002751>>12002761It's not bait, you can see it when you know what to look for. Like spotting counterfeit Renaissance paintings, if you know what to look for you can tell but I will concede that Most can't.
>>12001360I'm playing games I own. What theft took place?
>>12002778I Men's Warehouse Guarantee you cannot tell the difference between a real NES game and an emulated one on a CRT.Name a game from any of the following that would flunk your taste test:>NES>Master System>Atari 2600>Genesis >SNES>Playstation>N64 >TurboGrafx-16I was generous and include the N64, but go on.
>>12002785You stole my heart when you left me.
>>12002791I-I just couldn't take 'it' anymore Anon. It's not you, it's me. I'm sorry it came out like this.
>>12002785You own a copy of the game that is only supposed to be played on original hardware. Despite what pirates might tell you, you do not have the legal right to play backups of commercial games on emulators (even if you own a physical copy of the game).
>>12002790Xmen for Genesis
>>12002803>you do not have the legal right to play backups of commercial games on emulators (even if you own a physical copy of the game).Nta, but yes we really fucking legally do, Nintendo. We also have a right to back up and play the real original Shinobi that you don't have the guts to sell anymore, for historical and educational purposes. That's the law.
>>12002808Can't you just soft reset the emulator, or are you saying that no one can get past that part with an emulator? Or is that actual copy protection?
>>12002810Whatever helps you sleep at night thief.
>>12002815>system reset>press the reset button>pc resets
>>12002817If something is a copy of something, it's possibly copyright infringement, which is not theft.Nintendo is not without their cherish Super Mario Bros. ROM, anon.For their to be a crime, there has to be a victim and some sort of loss. Copying a game that isn't for sale, like arcade Shinobi with the real graphics and art is fine because Nintendo hides it away and dishonestly sells (to other markets outside of the USA) an altered ROM that they advertise as original. Besides, are you going to tell me that any number of random arcade games are aren't being sold being copied and enjoyed....hurts someone? Really?
*fuck errors>>12002819I said soft reset! :^) I doubt it's like the dumb Nomad.
>>12002827If you ever get the chance, check out "4chan Nintendo leak 2020-07-24 no. 3 - other.7z (World) (En,Ja)" It's full of NES ROMs that were leaked from Nintendo themselves!
>>12002832You challenged me that I couldn't tell between emulation and real hardware. How about needing to use a software menu to reset a game? Needing a mouse and keyboard and having a PC plugged into a CRT are pretty obvious tells.
>>12002836Sounds like when people discovered that Nintendo "illegally" downloaded their own ROMs and got busted for using someone else's emulator too.It's almost like Nintendo accidentally revealed that piracy is necessary for game preservation AND sales.
Is this the retard thread?
>>12002850Yes, thank you for joining us.
>>12002827Illegal copying of arcade games (disguised as preservation) hurts collectors by artificially lowering the demand (and therefore price) of their lawfully acquired collections.
>>12002843I meant the game, not the hardware presenting it. Does the emulator prevent X-Men on Genesis from continuing once "the computer" needs to be reset, or not?Keep in mind that the original hardware is rotting away in most cases, so new bodies for these game souls will have to be found no matter what.
>>12002853You know who cares about investment speculation? It isn't gamers.
>>12002857>no true Scotsman Nice fallacy bud.
>>12002854You and I are having two different conversations right now. Emulation has an inferior interface experience, and no amount of improvement to shaders and single purpose bluetooth controllers will change that.>new bodiesIt's spelled "flash cartridge". The best of both worlds.
>>12002853LOLIn other words:>this stuff I don't use anyway and only bought for cool points might not accrue as fast as I thought if my faulty logic that broke people are going to pay me tens of thousands doesn't pan outAnd it won't because those types were never going to give you any money for anything ever. Me? I have cabinets and mean what I say.Hoarders praying for a Boomer-2008-house-style bubble to land on can get wrecked for all I care. It's a hobby first, remember?If I want a real cab, I will buy one. Broke pirates who pirate even the new stuff? They were never going to give you money. Is this setting in?
>>12001285AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>12002864>Emulation has an inferior interface experience,Eh....those Capcom collections prove you wrong there. The Pac-Man collection that came out a few years back comes to mind too, some truly high-res astounding stuff there, anon.>and no amount of improvement to shadersI will grant you that shaders are still garbage.
>>12002867If they aren't willing to invest in the hobby they shouldn't be allowed to enjoy the hobby. Videogames aren't a right, broke losers should stick to modern F2P crap like Fortnite. Taking something that isn't yours without paying for it is stealing, end of discussion.
>>12002861Thanks
>>12002845>when people discovered that Nintendo "illegally" downloaded their own ROMsI'm an /emugen/ regular, but that was an urban legend spread by Frank Cifaldi. Nintendo's ROMs were split into CHR and PRG, not a common ".NES" as most people commonly believed. (Picrel is SMB3.)
>>12002872There are a lot of capcom and pac man collections, because the hardware interface keeps changing. Original games will always be original.>Disc rot! Bit rot! Plastic rot! etc.I don't believe in these boogeymen, never had a single problem because I take care of my belongings etc.
>>12002874>Taking something that isn't yours without paying for it is stealing, end of discussion.I fully agree, which is why I never do, but instead download games that someone has chosen to give me of their free will and being that said games are copies, no one has been harmed. >but Nintendo sellsI buy games. Tons of games. If I get free game, it's because they're censored or not sold at all. Finally, I'll leave you with this thought:If I have zero dollars and want an old game that Nintendo isn't selling and get a copy from a willing giver, how is Nintendo kept from my negative dollars on an item that they refuse to sell? >TakingRight! Taking without permission is wrong.>but it's Nintendo'sNot anymore, that was the original, but the copy is mine. That is a far cry from claiming that I can *sell it*, but there is no theft taking place.
>>12002887You are a thief
>>12002854>Does the emulator prevent X-Men on Genesis from continuing once "the computer" needs to be resetWhich emu are you using? I'm thinking about testing it myself, because I'm not sure how you got to that point.
>>12002889No, thieves don't have an active Nintendo Online account, or buy their other offerings.You are not unlike someone calling a man a thief because one of his potatoes's eyes grew out and started another batch of potatoes, a thief since he bought the initial potato at the supermarket. Monsanto, is that you here on/vr/?
>>12002890It works fine, that's not the point. The way to tell you're using an emulator is because you need to use a mouse to open a software menu to reset, with the original hardware you could just push reset on the console.
>>12002890I use Gens.
>>12002895No amount of mental gymnastics can change reality. You broke the law and did something morally wrong.
>>12002896>you could just push reset on the console.Ah, then that could easily be done by using "Soft Reset" instead. "Hard Reset" turns the console on and off.
>>12002896I'm the original anon you were talking to, and I get that there were two different conversations. I sympathize. The last thing I want to do while playing SEGA Genesis and getting my nostalgia-on, is to use a mouse to find a menu item to click. Yes, I can see how that can take one out of the authentic experience.
>>12002902>>12002902>No amount of mental gymnastics can change reality.Correct and that is that I did nothing illegal or morally wrong, in fact, I've been conscientious. I do not download current games or classic games that are currently sold.
*unless I paid for themSo, when Nintendo turns off their Switch Online games, I will back up all of those games. I paid for them afterall.
>>12002913Ehhhhhhhh, not really? It wasn't like VC where you paid for each game individually. NSO's more like a live service. (The worst kind of service.)
>>12002903Which requires the use of a mouse, making it obvious youre using an emulator.>>12002904It's not necessarily about nostalgia, my childhood experience with the genesis was two generations after its heyday, when emulaton was widely available and not even that bad. I simply believe the hardware interface of crt+console+cartridge+wired controller is a better experience than display(+conversion method if crt)+computer(+internet access for roms+good romsites)+directory creation+usb/bluetooth controller (of varying qualities).
>>12002909Massive cope. The law does not say you can download games if they aren't currently being sold. You are not entitled to buy whichever game you want from Nintendo, they have the right to not sell any of their games for any reason. You are a thief and a bad person.
>>12002917>Which requires the use of a mouseIf it's not having to use a mouse you're after, then I think RA might be for you. Its UI is entirely controller-based, and I think it might grow on you.
>>12002916I'm entitled. Yes. In most cases I bought the real game decades ago or even have the game still, so it's fine. And once Nintendo pulls the plug, that's their way of saying:>"We honorably do not wish to make any further monies from this game. *bows*" And I take them at their word.Btw, my membership has been for several years, so I've paid, paid, paid, paid, paid....
>>12002920Again, the point is needing to go into a software menu at all.
>>12002923>so it's fineLegally it isn't fine.
>>12002923>I'm entitled.You'd be even more entitled once you have the ability to hack your Wii and dump all the WADs you downloaded from VC. It's the easiest console to mod on the planet, making it essentially a no-brainier.
>>12002928You are legally allowed to make reproductions of your own media. If the method involves copying a functionally identical version of your copy, it's legal. 100%
>>12002919>The law does not say you can download games if they aren't currently being sold.Not my fault that the law is stupid and that you worship it. Laws can be incomplete, wrong, or misguided, you know.>You are not entitled to buy whichever game you want from Nintendo,Agreed; however I am entitled to luck-out and have a stranger give me a copy of theirs out of the kindness of their hearts, not unlike an arcade bro giving me their turn because it's time to bowl. >You are a bad person. Nah. In fact, I've paid for your home, Nintendo employee that is super obvious.
>>12002934Got two Wiis, friend.
>>12002938That's the spirit! It's always good to have a spare in case one bricks.
>>12002935This is a myth
>>12002941Yes and I plan on having a Wii army because it emulates everything I care about. Last I checked the ceiling got even more generous for arcades and even Playstation 1.
>>12002945>even Playstation 1.Yeah, WiiStation is some genuinely impressive stuff! The fact that PSX games went from 5fps to nearly full speed is amazing.
>>12002943Nta, but it isn't a myth, it's fair use. Fun fact: all those CDs with the CD Audio label (you know that one, it's an old design)? All of those are supposed to let you copy without any copy protection at all due to an obscure legal ruling.
>>12002948Right? I felt like a wizard even getting N64 games running close to full speed, or sometimes not even close, like with Shadows of the Empire. I wonder if that runs perfectly now.
>>12002949It is a myth. You broke losers keep perpetuating misinformation to justify theft.
>>12002954Failure to rebut is tacit concession, you just ended the discussion.
>>12002954It isn't. Atari even included directions on how to add pirated games to an SD card for their Flashback Portable.You're behind the times, anon, and so is Nintendo. If the game isn't being sold-NO ONE SHOULD GIVE A FUCK.
>>12002959>Atari>Flashback PortableI agree with you, but wasn't that largely AtGames' doing? They're a shady company, all things considered.
>>12002958You failed to rebut first so by your logic you are the one who ended the discussion.
>>12002968see>>12002935which >>12002943 called "a myth" (which is not a rebuttal)
>>12002959I don't give a fuck about you stealing desu, just like I don't care when black people steal from Walmart. But it embarrassing that you (falsely) believe you are superior to other thieves. >>12002970Cope. Your concession has already been accepted poorfag.
>>12002961>but wasn't that largely AtGames' doing?Ooooohie it's hard to tell. I think Infogrames made the call, but maybe you're right, and I do know that AtGames's name is on the box, but I just don't know. The point is that a legally distinct and legitimate (as far as we know) corporation sold a product and encourage some piracy...and they made lots of profits, which proves Nintendo's arm-flailing theories wrong.Nintendo, if you're ITT, SELL THE GAMES IF YOU WANT MONEY. Don't whine that some other pirate downloads Super Mario All-Stars because you TWISTED FUCKS demanded that even *digital* copies be "yanked" from storefronts. That's just stupid, Nintendo. I can see ceasing to produce a cartridge, but a digital copy? Fuck off.I should download that sometime on general principle.
>>12002972Maximum damage control
>>12002972It's embarrassing that you call copyright infringement theft like a Boomer.
>>12002973>I should download that sometime on general principle Typical entitled brat
>>12002973Yeah, I've always found Nintendo to be pretty stubborn when it comes to wide availability. Guess this is another case of... everyone else does but Nintendon't.
>>12002980>but*what
>>12002972>i don't actually care!! I accept your argument as concession!!!embarassing crash out
>>12002979I own the N64 cart, but not the others, so you're almost right, but still wrong because they won't sell it. You do know that if I give an Ebay scalper $1500.00 and access to my dookie-maker that Nintendo won't see any money or get any backdoor action on me, yes?
>>12002984Do one better and get a SummerCart ;)
>>12002985Nice. Thanks for telling me.
>>12002985Thief
I wonder if there is anyone who actually *genuinely* believes that emulation is “theft”. I can see why it’d be amusing to play devil’s advocate and try to put together a compelling argument that makes that seem like it’s true, but I have a hard time believing anyone actually believes it to be true. Except for maybe Nintendo— they seem to think emulation is great as long as people pay them money for it.
>>12002987If you have a saturn get a saroo too ma roody poo
>>12002987No problem! They go for extremely low prices on places like Aliexpress, so you won't have to pay nearly as much as you would for a loose cartridge of Conker.
>>12002992It's not theft if you're playing it on real hardware as God intended.
>>12002994It's hard to call it theft at all when even official compilations of games use emulation.
>>12002994I knew a guy who fully, fully, fully believed that no matter what, if you downloaded a video game,a copy of a game, from anywhere, YOU are a thief and a bad person and oh my God didn't your mother raise you right;etc.The kicker, the same guy outright STOLE a glass from a bar. He tells me this like a day after his anti-emulation speech to me and didn't think that was bad.Heh he outright deprived someone of their physical property-that they will now have to pay to replace-but I'm the bad guy for downloading games that they don't even have the license to (Intellivision games) or one that they refuse to sell, that are copies?yeah, anon, people don't make coherent sense sometimes.
>>12002997>They go for extremely low prices on places like AliexpressDo they? Or did the tariffs eat them too?
>>12003005I stole a pint glass from a bar, but it was outside in the ashtray after the bar had closed. I'm glad I don't pick butts out of ashtrays to roll into bum smokes anymore, though I do miss finding neat stuff like that. Anyways, I do agree that emulation isn't theft as per your example of a physical instance of an object being ohysically removed. Those glasses are cheap since they expect to replace broken ones anyways, so I didn't mind.Now as for the old school steel milkshake cup I found by the smoke can outside a diner? I can admit I felt guilt taking that bad boy.
>>12003008>Do they?Absolutely! The cheapest ones range from $10-$40.
>>12003005Your friend sounds like a way cooler guy than you tbqh
>>12001285make the law 20 old years digital software must be public domain and open source not end up in the trash bin
>>12003020Gaming is a great hobby for poor people like myself because it provides us with an infinite amount of entertainment for free, as long as we are willing to do a little bit of research. People, like you, who don’t see the inherent goodness of this make me sick.
>>12003023should be the case for all media tee beach
>>12003014I even see your point on the glass, but it's the principle, which isn't lost on me when anti-emulation folks speak up, but they usually seem to miss the point or are just baiting.>>12003020He's probably dead now on the street because he couldn't put down the booze, so maybe you're still right, yet in some odd metaphysical sense our mere mortal minds can't comprehend in this flesh realm.
>>12003027>admitting to being a broke loserlmao
>>12001292>>12001360assuming you feel guilty because you aren't paying the original developers... then it makes no sense to feel guilty about it.if you buy games second hand, do you feel guilty? none of that money is going to the original developers.And there is no way to buy most of these games from their original developers anymore, so there is no way to pay them.
>>12003046Stealing is still stealing even if the original devs don't see a cent.
>>12003035Indeed. The good news is that broke losers like me don’t need a lot of money to play 99.99% of video games. In fact, all we need is a PC with internet access. Isn’t that great, anon?
>>12003052All you need is a PC, internet access, and absolutely zero moral character.
>>12003046How hard is it to just buy the games that you want that are sold, and to download other *classics* that aren't sold? That way you're not supposedly undercutting their new offerings or their tried and true classics that they do manage to sell.Anyway, if I am wrong, I don't know it because I pay Nintendo currently, in the past, and I pay second hand stores, so I feel like I'm a paying customer even if I download a bunch of ancient games that they refuse to sell for esoteric reasons.
>>12003051It can’t be theft if there isn’t a victim, anon.
>>12003063Keep telling yourself that thief.
>>12003063They're gotta be trolling you, anon. Come on, look where we are. You can bet your ass they're emulating everything on their PC with no limits. They're probably selling the games too, which is based for real in my opinion if Nintendo won't sell them. But yeah, we're being trolled by a master hypocrite.
>>12003062Because it's just a bunch of cope he tells himself so he doesn't have to admit that he is a criminal. He doesn't care if the game is being sold or not, he just wants to take stuff without paying for it because he is a bad person.
>>12003065>stealing from no one is still stealingI guess that makes you a rapist, anon.
>ITThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeplVT4qEZc
>>12003071>making up nonsense Concession accepted
>>12003030Glass breaks. You can buy glass cups and they will chip and break eventually, this makes originals not as sacred as we believe. If we have the tools to form a new cup from the glass scrap, then we will always have a cup. What originally was made to break now lives alongside its craftsman.This almost parallels software, save for the fact you can't steal data when you're making a double.
>>12003074Whatever you say, rapist.
>>12003070So you agree that after jumping through all of those pay hoops that I did and do jump through, that downloading super old games that aren't sold isn't stealing? It's not that I feel truly entitled to all the games in the world just because I say so because I'm not, but what I propose is this:I will always make it a priority to pay for video games if that is an option if they are new OR old. However, if there is a game that I wish to play, but CANNOT buy, then being given a copy should suffice *IF* the copy was not stolen from a hacked server, or is a new title that has no business being in an emulator.
>>12003073>I need a price check on ROMs. Two measly, stinkin' ROMs.
>>12003084I think Nintendo said that Super Mario Bros., the ROM of it that is, is worth $400.000.00 per violation, according to their raw fish math.
>>12003083Don't get me wrong it's still stealing and morally wrong to download roms of games that are not currently being sold, but it is a bit more understandable than the 99.999% of "people" who just steal roms because they don't want to pay to play the games legally.
>>12003089>$400.000.00Shit, that's nearly as much as the average WATA cartridge LMAO.
>>12003091>it's still stealing and morally wrong to download roms of games that are not currently being sold,Why? They're copies of games that for whatever reason they have decided to not make money on. Those games are arguably abandonware and part of the zeitgeist for all to enjoy.
>>12003097Abandonware is not a real legal concept. It is still stealing even if you don't know who you are stealing from and even if the person you are stealing from does not know that they are being robbed.
>>12003102>Abandonware is not a real legal concept.lol now I know you're joking because yes it is. It doesn't blanket apply to whatever I wish it to apply to, yet it does exist.>robbedOkay now you're broadening the definition technically to include violence. Come on, man.
Here's one for you: if Nintendo decided to let a game rot and pass into dust making them no money at all, is that moral? To let the game pass away like that?What if someone bootlegged the game and sold it? Nevermind that Nintendo would sue, what I'm asking is, would it be so bad for that art to at least make someone some money?Now, after asking that, how hard is it to see that simply playing a game-and not selling it-is truly harmless if it's not being sold?
>>12003120Yes. The intellectual property belongs to Nintendo and they have the right to do whatever they want with it.
>>12003125>The intellectual property belongs to NintendoThat's one thing, but not if it's a licensee like SEGA, or worse, for entire libraries of games that Nintendo doesn't even own. That's what happening btw.Nintendo has no business telling me that I can't preserve and enjoy games that they didn't make.
>>12003120>What if someone bootlegged the game and sold it?That actually happened in Japan. The demand for DK caabs was far too great, so they gave Falcon the approval to make Crazy Kongs Pt. I & II. (They were basically the same game, except II's colors look slightly better.)
>>12003134>caabs was*cabs were
>>12003134You see? Nintendo just is not the same company anymore and it's acting hypocritically.In a sane world Nintendo would be glad for every corner drugstore and gas station to have legit and bootleg games alike because they feed interest to each other.Shit, Ms. Pac-Man is a hack, so according to idiots that means every Ms. Pac-Man cab is illegal.
>>12003102>not even trying anymore I guess even calling your previous posts “trying” is rather generous, but now you’re just being lazy. Even in a fictitious world where what you are saying can be interpreted as high moral fiber, being moral would actively work against you, thus making it useless and insane. You’d have a better chance of convincing people that the key to righteousness is shoving your fist down your own throat.
>>12003110The guy probably thinks robbery and theft are the same thing but you should know abandonware has no legal precedent as of yet, any places hosting abandonware which later becomes unabandoned get dmca'd. It's more of a loophole which closes once the parent company cares enough to do something about it.So to set some kind of standard I personally acknowledge that downloading a rom of SMB is still intellectual theft but there's no way to behead the hydra that is internet piracy rebelling against Mickey Mouse copyright laws I have no sympathy for megolithic companies reselling thirty year old games supposedly affected by this alleged crime.
>>12003152>but you should know abandonware has no legal precedent as of yetIt is a legal thing, dough. I don't want to ruin some websites, but it is a thing. >any places hosting abandonware which later becomes unabandoned get dmca'dWell, yes, but that generally doesn't happen, not lately anyway.>downloading a rom of SMB is still intellectual theftDon't you mean copyright infringement? You know it isn't theft, so I feel you should use the other term that correctly denotes what actually occurred. lol@ you're pic that's so close to reality I'm sure some people still believe it.
>>12003160I'd say it's "not illegal" to download or distribute at no charge but becomes copyright infringement once the intellectual property owner personally sues you for publically selling copies of the intellectual property you copied. Unlikely unless you're some cottage industry bootlegger.
>>12002458Emulation dorks forever coping. Sad.
>>12001285piracy and emulation is the morally correct thing to do. what's there to feel guilty about?
>>12003380>piracy is the morally correct thing to doNo, piracy is robbing by force, this is a crime. The issue is, illegal copies isn't piracy, picacy is legal forces, therefore legality is a crime, the actual piracy. They just do the usual 'robber calling his victims robbers'.
>>12003446Very cool. I'll dedicate my next emulated playthrough in your honor
Holy shit what a retarded thread. The fact "people" are replying seriously makes me feel everyone should be killed, no one can be fixed.
Someone post the piracy justification tier list, because people have forgotten the golden rule of why you pirate: because you can.
>>12003456That's right, and that's why trying to do mental gymnastics to justify piracy only makes someone a faggot, specially if you go to the morality route like this garbage thread that wouldn't be out of place on social media. Brutally kill OP.
>>12001289>Unc here still living in 2001
This negativity towards piracy seems to be very much a younger generation thing. I'm 38, and when I was a teenager in the early 2000s, every teen pirated fucking everything under the sun. Music, movies, tv shows, games, anything we could get a hold of. Even when a bunch of us got older and went the route of "well I pirated when I was broke, I don't anymore now that I can afford stuff".....a ton will still pirate if the official version sucks and the cracked version is better. This total aversion of it just did not exist in my generation because we came of age in a time when almost no one could see what you were torrenting, so even those of us that acknowledged it was stealing thought "yeah...but who cares".
>>12003473Oh and just to be clear, yes of course there were moral grandstanders back then too that loved to lecture us on how piracy was bad and wrong, but they were the extreme minority.
>>12003456I'm just hastening to the bump limit desu
>>12003446for piracy to be robbery, or even theft at all, would require the original copy to be stolen and completely removed
>>12002376Thread's over, pack it up.
>>12003473>I don't know the difference between infringement and theft, so I'll say it's theft>as a gift for Nintendo!You're not helping and are a part of the problem.
>>12003732NTA but there is no difference. You are a thief and a bad person.
>>12001395lol, it's this, and you're spot on.All these "collector's" post pictures of the main menu. They'll play the game for 3 minutes and then turn it off, still trying to chase the high they felt as children, unable to fill the infinite void left behind.
>>12003771This nigga is just name-calling to keep his dumbass thread alive lol. Can’t even be arsed to pretend like he has a leg to stand on anymore.
>>12003771Wrong and wrong. In fact, guys like me keep the industry afloat. I buy games three different ways, so not a thief. And when I download a game, it isn't being sold at all or being sold as an inferior censored version.
>>12003808No matter how you justify it to yourself, you are stealing. Just accept it, there are a lot of terrible people in the world. Be honest with yourself and admit you are one of them.
>>12003816I am no worse than Nintendo, of whom illegally download Super Mario Bros. *and* used someone else's emulator without permission. So if we're not pretending to be angry at Nintendo for doing literally the same thing, maybe we shouldn't pretend that I hurt anyone or that either of us are thieves. Maybe the laws are stupid, did you ever think of that when Nintendo and SEGA both are forced to break the law in order to sell their wares?And they're using their infringement to make money, which according to you is worse than the fall of mankind under Satan.
>>12003828It's their intellectual property, they can do whatever they want with it.
why should you? all major companies are shit and exploit us the proletariat pirate everything you want. fuck other people only follow your own self interest read max stirner.
>>12003816I fully admit that I’m a terrible person, but it has nothing to do with emulation lol. You’ve spent the last 12 hours calling people assholes for emulating games— maybe it’s time for you to reevaluate your definition of “bad person”.
Extremely retarded thread. Murder OP
>>12003831No, they can't! Ha that's what I'm trying to tell you because as written, the law says that ANYONE downloading SMB is infringing, even Nintendo. Yes, the law is so stupid that is doesn't even matter that Nintendo owns it, they still cannot *legally* download their games, but they do.So much like Nintendo, I will use my brains and heart as my guide because copyright law is more jacked up than a WNBA player.
>>12003837Why would I take advice from a self admitted terrible person? You disgust me thief.
>>12003837Don't answer for me, anon. I'm not a bad person. Not saying I deserve a medal for downloading rare games that aren't sold, but I am not a bad person. If you want bad people, visit a mall.
>>12003839>one anon is dumb and I am too lazy to read the intelligent posts therefore all bad>me scared of fire!
>>12003849Yes you are, you are no better than the people you look down on.
>>120038530/10 now you're just lazy. I bet I pay for more games than anyone else ITT. What a joke.
>>12003862Paying for games doesn't make it okay for you to steal other games you entitled filth.
>>120038680.5/10You can do better than that.
>>12003872Why on earth are you continuing to humor him? Please refer to >>12003806 for more information on where this thread has been headed for the last 150 posts.
>>12003875I want to see if they have any valid argument at all. At any rate, this thread has been one of the better threads here, and it's not my fault if someone else can't see that.
>>12003879Sorry anon, but it seems like for you it’s just a sunk-cost issue at this point. The anon has no valid argument and never had a valid argument. He’s just stringing you along.
>>12003883At least some lurkers learned something from the facts presented, and I had a few laughs at OP's expense too. Lurkers: it is a fact that Nintendo isn't even allowed to download its own games, that how stupid copyright law is.
>>12003891Eh, fair enough. I find it hard to believe anyone takes any “law” regarding emulation or file-sharing seriously seeing as how bypassing them is child’s play and no one really does a goddamn thing about it, but then again, I have a bad habit of assuming that the average lurker isn’t hopelessly ignorant.My own zoomer cousin is too spooked at the thought of getting in trouble for piracy that he doesn’t even bother with it unless I assure him that it’s safe.
>>12001285I'm not gay so no
>>12003473I blame Spotify for going mainstream.
>>12002803Bitch nobody gives a fuck about the law. The least of which big game companies. Selling someone a product and then revoking their access to it so they have to buy it again is illegal. It's fucking fraud. Do they care? no, because nobody is enforcing it. Marketing virtual casinos to children is also illegal. Do game companies care? no. They break laws every fucking day. From a moral standpoint it's actually more moral to acquire a game for free and enjoy it for yourself then to give money to an organization staffed by overpaid sex offenders who actively want to prevent people from having fun. >waaahhh what about collectorsThis proves you don't give a fuck about the law. There is no law guaranteeing that collectors and resellers have the right to make a profit. They accepted their ayn rand anarchy and we have ever right to destroy their scarcity with free software. Morally collectors and resellers have singlehandedly destroyed multiple hobbies by pricing younger generations out of them and ensuring the stock is sold off at tag sales after they get old and die. Fuck collectorsThat doesn't mean I don't buy games. I buy indie games, sometimes twice if I like what the devs are doing and I want them to make more games, but giving money to a company like Nintendo or Sony is far more immoral than playing a game for free that they aren't selling anyway. >>12002487Facts. Dry snitching killed emulation
>>12004463Good people (not you) care about the law
>>12004467I agree. People like you should definitely follow the law, no questions asked. Keep up the good work, anon!
>>12003913>My own zoomer cousin is too spookedWhere did this whole "spooked" attitude come from, anyway? It seemed like only a decade ago when people weren't as afraid to download things.
>>12004491In his case, I’d say it had to do with an upbringing that kinda paralyzed his curiosity. Can’t say for sure whether it’s a common generational issue or not.
>>12004512>Can’t say for sure whether it’s a common generational issue or not.I'd say it's a 50/50 issue. It's like you said, upbringing. My dad's rather based, since he was the kind of guy who'd burn shit onto DVD-Rs. I've learnt quite a few tricks from him ;)
>>12003046I feel guilty if I find an amazing retro game, just that they created someone that benefits others and they may not have got rewarded for it as much as they should have. Stuff like Alien Soldier which wasn't even brought to America while Captain Novalin was allowed to be sold.Then you have stuff like the Taito band creating amazing music but they just get a yearly salary but the company can still sell the game 30 years later.>>12003380After about 15 years it abandonware.
>>12001869you just got niggerflagged u retard
>>12001285I like paying on original systems and media. Emulation is just not the same. If you love retro systems you have them, it really is that simple. Nothing against emulation but it's second rate and a by product of not having the real thing at hand to enjoy in every case including when I use it. Nothing beats having the controlers and system, manuals and media to enjoy as deisgned. It is what it is. Guilt does not even come into it and that includes pickinng a game by looking along sheves filled with them instead of from a file system let alone the tedium of having to fuck around with configs
>>12001285Yeah, because I respect the developers of the games. I actually became a lot happier when I stopped emulating and focused only on games that I could afford, severely limiting my game library and eliminating that anxiety of abundance feeling. It's kinda like simulating being a kid back in the 90s, very comfy. I am getting gud at the games I have rather than bouncing between a ton of them on and off like before.
>>12003732Did you mean to reply to someone else? I said ultimately it didn't matter if it was stealing because we didn't care, we'd pirate anyway.
>>12005000>Guilt does not even come into it and that includes pickinng a game by looking along sheves filled with them instead of from a file system let alone the tedium of having to fuck around with configsMan I don't even touch the games on my shelves anymore, even if I have them I emulate it anyway.
>>12005502No, you're a perfect tool of Nintendo is what you are, telling people falsely that infringement is theft. You're not right.
>>12001285I don't.Actually i have been emulating for so long that old emulators like zsnes, nestopia, genecyst etc are nostalgic by themselves.I literally have nostalgia or the way zsnes got the audio pitch wrong, its like if every snes song had an "zsnes edition".
>>12001289nice troll post but i will take it, emulating is so convenient it actually is a great service to old games that would other never get played, also if you sperg out on retro achievements it adds additional fun
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>>12001289Ah, don't worry, all you have to do is to use THE BOX to convert HDMI to your television, you're getting all the RETRO FEEL back!It's actually not that bad, it don't look as good as my real snes, but if you actually understand it, you can make it look pretty good.First of all, it's a 720p only box, every other resolution is just a lie, and a bilinear upscale/downscale to hell. the box is capable of even lying about super resolution support.So you set it to 1280x720, use integer scale to 672 (224*3) and the heavy overscan takes care of the rest for you.Unlike the identical looking box that does the opposite job, it don't add significant input lag to it, as i checked by just stretching window between my native VGA monitor and the box output.
>>12005892>you're a perfect tool of Nintendo is what you are...by pirating their stuff too? I still don't own a switch because I just pirate their games.
>>12002948>>12002952bros any good tutorial link on setting up a comfy WiiStation?would it pair well with a RAD3X for playing on my OLED TV?
>>12006040>bros any good tutorial link on setting up a comfy WiiStation?Any random youtube video should tell you all you need to know. Search for "letterbomb" which is the thing that needs to be sent to your Wii in order to prep it to that it can finally have the Homebrew Channel installed, which lets you place ROMs and emulators on the system.
>>12003732>>12005892It ultimately doesn't matter whether or not infringement is theft if you don't have a problem with theft.
OP is a faggot
>>12006296That makes no logical sense and is in fact a sentence fragment.
>>12006301What's illogical about it? If you think the laws are bullshit and you choose to ignore them, then who cares about the legal distinction between copyright infringement and theft? This distinction only matters for the sake of a legal defense for your actions, but if you are actively choosing to ignore the laws regardless then....like how many ways can I reword the same point before you get it? Laws and legal distinctions only matter if you care about following the law, and saying "well no they're different" is quite frankly irrelevant.
>>12003456Here you go anonElder God tier>Just pirates, doesn't need to justify it. At most drops a torrent link but that's about itGod Tier>I pirate because I can do it. What are you going to do about it faggot?Great Tier>I pirate because I like free stuff>I pirate because I literally cannot get this game.Good Tier>I pirate because I want the best experience with the game (IE: No intrusive DRM)>I pirate because fuck publishers. I still support devs in different ways.Bad Tier>I pirate because I use the pirated copy as a demo even though I have no incentive to actually pay for the gameAwful tier>I pirate because developer said something I didn't like but has no bearing on the actual game>I pirate because the game is surely bad but I will still waste time downloading it.
>>12006323Words mean things and infringement isn't theft. Calling infringement theft gives credit to those who should have none in this conversation.Since this is a board that supposedly supports classic/retro video games and realizes that without "piracy" there would be even less games available *to buy*, it's antithetical to the board to suggest that infringement of old games that are not for sale in any form are "stolen" if shared and thus effectively preserving them.
>>12006332You're doing it, you're doing the thing that gives anti-piracy people ammo, which is giving them ANY justifications for your actions that they can poke logical holes it. Don't engage these people with argument, that's what they want, just keep pirating and smile knowing they can't stop you. If they bring up that you're committing a crime, just say "yeah I am, fuck you gonna do about it?"
>>12001285I only emulate games I wouldn't buy anyway, so it's not a loss for the developer. It's a win-win situation because the developer gets more people to play their games.
>>12006348>I only steal things I wasn't going to pay for anyway so its no loss for Walmart You are black
>>12006343It also helps us because it reminds lurkers of their responsibility to share (sharing is caring) and it helps our hobby in terms of preservation and availability.We're both correct here.Make no mistake, thobeit, anything cool online will not persist forever, so download everything cool.
>>12001285I will pirate and emulate everything until the day I die, and you can do absolutely nothing to stop me. <3
>>12006348I never thought of this in terms of gaming or even new games in particular. Interesting. For me, I just can't bring myself to download anything new. If I want the new stuff, I should buy it.
>>12006348>I only emulate games I wouldn't buy anywayI really hope it's for any reason other than "because the game is shit", because if it's shit then I really question why you'd even waste time and energy downloading it.
Anyone tried PS2 emulation on a smartphone? Is it acceptable? I doubt you can play in software mode though.
>>12006219do i just use the first party wii controller? nunchaks seem inadequate for PS1 games
>>12006357Based. I get the appeal of physical media but copying a file isn't really stealing and I won't be gaslit into thinking it is. This thread just has a weird sour grapes thing going on. Without rom sharing the only way to play old games is to give money to scalpers. I'm simply not going to do that.
>>12006460Use a Gamecube controller for best results, but I know for a fact that the Wiimote does in fact work with PS1 games, but it's trash, you don't want that. It's just tricky in that mode I find.
the coomlectors here seem to be seething a lot sir
>>12006331>>I pirate because fuck publishers. I still support devs in different ways.What are those different ways?
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