DOOM THREAD / RETRO FPS THREAD - Last thread: >>11995002Doom/Quake/Duke/Heretic/Hexen/Unreal/Sam/Half-Life/etcGameplay, WADs/Maps/Mods, Source PortsAll other 90s FPS welcome~ Let's post like gentlemen ~FAQ/GENERAL GUIDEhttps://rentry.org/vrbinSO YOU WANT TO PLAY SOME FUCKING DOOM(or Quake, Duke, Marathon, Deus Ex)https://imgur.com/a/wWS8zXzSame thing, in video format:https://youtu.be/ietb4JwaaXAhttps://youtu.be/DhOjleMqwdQhttps://youtu.be/CGj4gXyCzg0== GAMES/RESOURCES ==DOOM Quickstart (IWADs etc): https://mediafire.com/file/wuniyrhsjjgq4y8QUAKE Trilogy FAQ: https://pastebin.com/Ucb11XhUPortaDOOM:https://github.com/Kroc/PortaDOOM/releasesHALF-LIFE (GoldSrc) Anthology:https://mega.nz/file/GRUCGbAY#RhOiqxnf7UPOiXcJNbRh-prKIEVRhjJaEpAkt34lyZg4CHAN DOSPACK + Win98 games:https://mega.nz/#F!3t8nzSIS!947kyMN6Z80f8HS7q2XlqAAssorted /vr/ shooters, mods, etc:https://mega.nz/#F!QXIk1bjB!NHRWGIfjcc77PyGgRlga4Qhttps://mega.nz/#F!GtEQTISJ!CCJGyPEEEsZasc1PMXicUAMIDI COLLECTIONShttps://files.catbox.moe/2hul76.ziphttps://mega.nz/file/dWQ3SThI#qYcpa4eGQj6ElyRZgjGqszR59dh4Fq9D3qXYee54kZQhttps://archive.org/details/archiveteam-geocities-midi-collection-2009https://archive.org/details/midiru-archive-2022-02-25.7z== INFO/LINKS ==OFFICIAL DOOM WIKIhttps://doomwiki.org/WHERE TO FIND WADSVanilla/Boom: https://doomworld.com/forum/4-wads-mods/ZDoom: https://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=19/idgames: https://doomworld.com/idgames/MODDING RESOURCEShttps://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=37https://realm667.com/== /VR/DOOM COMMUNITY ==THREAD ARCHIVEShttps://desuarchive.org/vr/search/text/"doom thread"/type/op/OUR WADS/MODShttps://rentry.org/vrdepotMAKING NEW THREADS PROPERLYhttps://pastebin.com/8mDnrsrBIMAGE/WAD DATABASEhttps://vrdoom.booru.org/https://clovr.xyz/wadsup/MULTIPLAYER SERVERSUS West: https://clovr.xyz/CA/US Midwest: https://macgu.fun/
=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===Duke It Out in /vr/Game : DN3D | Deadline : Jan 1st 2026Tile/Con pack: https://files.catbox.moe/qns3f9.zipRules: https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/11835634=== CURRENT RELEASES ===/Vertex Relocation/IWAD : Doom 2 | Format : BoomRC3: https://files.catbox.moe/aoucg0.7z=== NEWS ===[9-3] Operation Deadbolt released, MBF21 mod meant to spice up Doom 1's combat:https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/155013[9-2] Ashes 2063 released as a mod on GOGhttps://www.gog.com/en/game/ashes_2063[9-1] TNT2 Devilution rc1 with map26 finally releasedhttps://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/104882[8-30] Helion Engine v0.9.8.0 updatehttps://github.com/Helion-Engine/Helion/releases/latest[8-27] Herexen, vanilla crossover mod for Doomhttps://doomworld.com/forum/topic/154886[8-23] Eternity Engine v4.05.03 Citadel updatehttps://github.com/team-eternity/eternity/releases/latest[8-18] Outlaws remaster announcedhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/3366780[8-18] RMG City, an MBF21 single maphttps://doomer.boards.net/thread/4105[8-17] Eventide, an episode for Doom IIhttps://doomer.boards.net/thread/4104[8-17] Source code for PowerSlave Saturn is open freehttps://github.com/Lobotomy-Software/SlaveDriver-Engine[8-16] Chocolate Doom v3.1.1 releasedhttps://github.com/chocolate-doom/chocolate-doom/releases/latest[8-15] We Have Doom at Home came outhttps://doomworld.com/forum/topic/154723[8-14] Quake 2+2 Jam announced for Quake IV 20th anniversaryhttps://desuarchive.org/vr/post/11948657[8-12] XMAPEDIT has been updatedhttps://github.com/NoOneBlood/xmapedit/releases/latest[8-11] Odamex v11.1.0 releasedhttps://github.com/odamex/odamex/releases/latest[8-10] Absurdism, a monster mod by Anonhttps://doomworld.com/forum/topic/154653=== PREVIOUS ===https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0TO SUBMIT NEWS, REPLY TO THIS POST (ideally with the [MM-DD] date bracket)
>>12007062CLASSIC DOOM CHALLENGEGame: Doom2 / WAD: Valiant / MAP03: Tiers of Pain / Author: skillsaw / Year: 2015 / Category: UV-Fast Can (You) beat VALIANT MAP03 with FAST MONSTERS enabled?Respond to this post with a demo & your time. Example: 2:27 https://files.catbox.moe/x3t8hu.lmpGood luck and have fun!Records + wad download: https://dsdarchive.com/wads/valiant?level=Map+03Previous thread winner: DBP20 MAP05 UV-Speed 2:25 >>11998864
Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z_-SAJz154
>>12007075>It's the DJ! Get him!
>>12007062Klaxon means car horn in my country :]!
>>12007072Couldn’t someone just record a demo of a bot beating it in record time? No real way to verify online among anons
>>12007056I think 2.0 is a semi-official thing that's been worked on for years but still isn't fully done.1.4's the last official one but there's probably several different versions of that floating about, pic fucking related.
>>12007076>vanilla always yesWordcloud hates GZslop confirmed
if you think you're safe because we've moved onto a new thread you're all WRONG BECAUSE IT'S STILL SCREENSHOT SATURDAY, MOTHERFUCKERS! I'M SURE THERE'S STILL A FEW OF YOU WORKING ON SOMETHING TO SHARE WITH US. Be it maps, mods, or sprites, it's STILL a good time to post that shit!
>>12007090this is where I post from
>>12007093>naked moms magazine
>>12007076>enjoyed knowing reference>cyberdemon literally slaughter>romero desu>stupid went calling>maps made feel hard>little gay others knew info>blue ken including damage>women usually enjoy corridor turns>faggot megamanlol
>>12007101>momAnon that's upside-down, it says "wow".
>>12007103I like my interpretation better.
>>12007076>bfg free
>>12002105Enjoying Operation Deadbolt + UAC Ultra. That shotgun is super strong.
>>12007076kek
>>12007076>faggot megamanmegaman autist eternally BTFO
>>12007081I don't think anyone cares enough to cheat a simple /vr/ challenge, anon. It's not like it's for a cash payout or anything.
>>12007081Too high effort of a troll for virtually no (You)s.
>>12007084I did a quick runthrough of ep 2, and to be honest, most of the chapter isn't quite as spruced up as the first couple stages. The theater has a couple nice touch-ups like a box of chex and a goo stain behind the ticket counter, as well as some neat extras like arcade games in the lobby (one which hides a little secret).I'd wager whatever they are/were planning for 2.0 would have affected the later stages in the chapter a lot more (maybe they can make those sewers a little more visually exciting than square green brick passages).
>>12007101do I have to say it twice?
>>12007123Also it's typically easier to catch TAS stuff from a demo since you've got all their inputs.
>>12007081>the challenge is a TASyou just gave me an idea, anon...
>>12007139Is that a pot of baked beans?
>>12007062>>12007069>https://imgur.com/a/wWS8zXzStill the same old infographic link.Are you fucking serious? Retard you've been doing this 5 last threads in a row.ONCE AGAIN: HERE IS THE UPDATED INFOGRAPHIC LINKhttps://imgur.com/a/wB0psIahttps://imgur.com/a/wB0psIahttps://imgur.com/a/wB0psIaand then people wonder why nobody is updating the pics any further. What the fuck is the point when you have people like OP who keep shoving the old versions in there?
>>12007202Go fuck yourself.
>>12007202>mega-faggot pissing himself over a pictureyou love to see it
>>12006678cinnamon raspberry
>watch Sandy interview of him explaining doom 1 while people play through itSandy got too much shit from a narrative that painted him as a villain for no reason.
>>12007252yummy
>>12007202>comparing V9 to V8>it added 3 old mods to TCs category>everything else is unchangedI've never made the threads myself, but maybe no ones using it because the update is barely noticeable?
>>12007108Good to hear you're liking it, and yeah, it's called a *magnum* shotgun for a reason. I like killing cacos in Doom 1 quicker.
>>12007202why is Ashes still not mentioned in the TCs?
>>12007324He doesn't care.
>>12007202>nothing has been updated other than adding 3 old mods at the bottom.>nothing new has been added.>brutal doom not being a gameplay mod and the description is all about it's creator instead of the mod.>both versions have still have project MSX despite not being compatible with GZDOOM for years.>anons are still fighting over fucking mega man.why are you guys being such autistic pissbabies about a fucking infographic? just update the outdated info and be done with it. if you REALLY need to be prissy little tastemakers about everything then just make a fucking separate infographic for /vr/ recommended mods voted on by anons.this is some elementary school level bullshit that you faggots are way too old for.
>>12007324No wonder people can't be bothered to update to this version, Ashes is required playing.
>>12007386>both versions have still have project MSX despite not being compatible with GZDOOM for years.Run MSFix'd, or the other edit of it, keep it at one of the resolutions it expects, it's fine.
>>12007386Get fucked.
>>12007271Weird fanboyism does that, dude's got some pretty interesting takes on the game's he's worked on.
>map contains another 30 archvile bullrun through a corridor that's been done to death>doomworld: wow! so original, how do mappers keep coming up with these ideas?!
>>12007440
>>12007440Easily solvable
>>12007440Whoops, wrong pic lol
>>12007202Nobody wants your dogshit.Nobody wants you.
>>12007202>old infographic linkNigger I still maintain it.
>the token 100 boxes of rockets along the perimeter of a bfg only slaughter fight with bulk cells everywherewhy do mappers do this?
>>12007516I think they're trying to fuck with us, the bastards.
Regular thread reminder to any map makers: please use these unused Doom graphics in your maps, despite being official graphics made by the guy's at ID, these are rarely ever used in any map wads, don't let these graphics go to waste.
>>12007551>use these decorations that require specific sector heights or that only work as the centerpiece of a large room.They were unused for a reason.
>>12007561Just out of curiosity, what reason do you think they were left unused? I always figured ID cut them because of memory limitations on the original Doom II floppy & disc release.
>>12007561>>12007569Retard me I just saw the rest of your post about the specific sector heights & large room centerpiece. I do honestly kind of wonder where these would of been used in the base Doom II maps, or were these things cut early before work on the maps started. I still hope for the day when these graphics will be used more, a Doomie can dream.
>>12007589Also honestly I think a wad that would integrate all the unused graphics for Doom II (like the unused gore graphics in my gif, the graphics of all the unused bushes, & the unused waterfall graphic, I wonder if these were all things that were cut due to the memory limitation thing I mentioned in my other post) back into the Doom II maps would be really cool. I would love to make something like that, it's just my biggest concern would be fucking up the flow of the level with the props, like the props would make moving around during monster fights more cumbersome, that's why I also mentioned that I wish I knew where the map creators may of originally intended to use these props in the Doom II maps.
>>12007662His carefree smug attitude mocks me, what is he thinking about?
>>12007670https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z-pVZiRjac
>>12007551A hanging torso over a firepit typed this.
>>12007416no i'm tired of this fatherless behavior between you and the megaman fag over a glorified beginner's guide.it's been going on for months.
>>12007682None of us are under any obligation to go along with his mental infortitude. If we try ignoring him, maybe he'll fucking go away.
>>12007551Many of Xaser's and Doomkid's wads use these sprites as do many wads with alpha/beta aesthetic like Nihility.
>>12007670He's thinking about inserting his connector to various ports of Iron Maidens.
>>12007682>fatherless behaviorCaving to tantrums is peak poor parenting.
>>12007682It's multiple people that are shitting on the Megaman fag. I used to be one of them and quite vocal about, but haven't bothered for a month or so. Got tired. Not autistic enough to continue.That being said, it's quite clear he "updated" the infograph just to add Megaman. Brutal Doom isn't even a tc, and the infograph just bashes it. So basically it's just 2 mods added (another which was made 26 years ago), so it doesn't seem like a real update, while there is tons of more important stuff like our community projects and solo projects of our members, to be added. If he's capable of adding Megaman to graph, I'm sure he has time and skills to do real update to end this nonsense.
>>12006843func_vehicle 2012>>12006189Everything is competing with tiktok unfortunately.
>>12007729I mean he's not fucking capable, look at how he did it.
I've just kinda ignored the whole debate this entire time. I'd prob want to put way too many mods on their to list and really I kind of do enjoy that old infographic since I am still going through stuff on it + the quickstart download despite browsing these threads for more than half a decade. Just finally loaded up Zen Dynamics earlier.
>>12007090Its almost Sunday here, but I think im still goodone of the other guys finished animating the C96 for the BOA project, so heres a bit of a teaser as the manual loading animationhad to do some extra research for how to properly load a C96 this way, and as far as we found this should be accurate
>>12007551The corpse pile got used in Legacy of Rust, at the very least. Down below the dam. Not sure about the barbeques.
>>12007130post the digits, anon
>>12007710Nihility is a tranny wad
>>12007734I might look into updating it. I particularly have nothing against Megaman myself. I occasionally enjoy playing those Zandronum with single player deathmatch campaigns. Technically I could let the Megaman be there, but at this point it would make me look like I'm the Megaman schizo which would lead into the update being not accepted and me doing unnecessary work.That's the irony of the deeds of this Megaman obsession guy. His obsession has done more damage to wad's reputation here than anything else. Maybe the best course of action would be for him to back off a little bit, so everyone can forget the controversy within the wad caused solely by his autism, and sometime in a future make a real big update to infograph to may or may not have Megaman.Why even Megaman of all of the multiplayer wads. Complex Invasion, QCDE or Horde are all much more popular. If Megaman was added, there would need to be whole lot of multiplayer stuff added.
>>12007750Care to elaborate, retard?
>>12007729>and solo projects of our membersI'd rather not. Imageboards are even grounds for people from all sorts of places, who prefer to engage anonymously, and I'd like to keep it that way, not shape its identity like it's some discord community group with followings surrounding it.
>>12007742I think the barbeques were used in that level where you are running from all those Cyberdemons.
>>12007662This is Quake 2 man? He looks like someone out of Morrowind. What is going on with that scalp? Oh well, I always liked Ranger more anyway.
>>12007759It wouldn't surprise me since the episode sought to use everything else it could from the scrap heap. Including beta monsters.
>>12007758I have to disagree. Stuff like Rekkr, Golden Souls trilogy, Hell Frontier, 10x10 Project, Machete and Disjunction are all well known and loved even outside /vr/, cacowarded even. They have as much reason to be there as Eviternity, Auger Zenith and other notable stuff. They should not be disqualified just because they come from /vr/ guys. All forums award their own guys. Why shouldn't us?Howerer I'm not talking about putting every anon's first maps there. Just the classics and modern classics.
>>12007750Unless they literally filled it with fagflag propaganda, I really don't want to hear such empty, feelings-based accusations.
>>12007761He got stroggified. His head has all sorts of cables and cords inserted in.
>>12007773I don't remember that happening in Q2. I remember it in Q4, though.
>>12007771Nta, but it has nothing like that. It's just Doom 1 episode with 90s like level design, almost all of alpha stuff inc textures, weapons, items, lot if new enemy variants and cool horror atmosphere with ambient noises instead of music. Talentless schizos that have not else going on than shitting on someone elses talented work and spreading outright lies about them, should be hanged from their balls.
>>12007782Sounds down my alley. Doom 64 did something like that, and I loved it. New monsters are always welcome too, especially since i've been binging vanilla wads lately.
>>12007776It happened between Q2 and Q3, but Q3 is really not canon anyway, but what is? Quakes and Dooms have always been more of the setting and enviromental story telling instead of character based plotlines.
>>12007785Check out Alpha Accident: Terra Nova too.
>>12007782>90s like level designLater maps quickly disprove that, it's more in the vein of No End of Sight maybe. It also has Valiant suicide bombers.
>>12007808Dude have you played 90s wads? NEIS is 90s worship too.Didn't remember suicide bombers, but they kinda fit there. They are used differently than in Valiant for example. There is not a lot of Plutonia or Scythe influence in this.
Sweet, sweet freedom.
It seems surreal how tables have turned with Q2 and Q1 mapping/modding scenes.With Q2 we have these coming soon>Call Of The Void>unnamed jam with Void assets>Quake 2+2>Zaero remaster>Return To PerditionAnd with Q1 we have... Tremor which haven't had any updates past 3 years which probably means that it's dead. Grim.
This is still one of the greatest videos of all time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdo9HZTgr6s
>>12007449Simulacrum is the worst at padding fights with Archviles. It's a competent megawad but there's a routine to its design that makes it feel inauthentic, like an AI was told to pump out a megawad of hard and modern looking maps as efficiently as possible. Makes sense since Myolden is pumping out maps as fast as Joe-Ilya.
>>12007880Myolden maps in Nostalgia (especially the city maps) have a lot of soul. I think he kinda tries out-Sunlust the Sunlust in Simulacrum. Not bad maps in any means, but I can see how they could be seen as less memorable. Muumi is the real soul of Simulacrum though. His maps are very memorable and his animated skies add lot to the atmosphere.
hi guys, I'm looking for (g)zdoom mod recommendations for Hexen and Strifenothing excessive, something along the lines of what Wayfarer's Tome is to HereticI have my eyes on-Hexen Rebalanced by ReaperAA-Tempered Arms by Lippeth-Strife Uncut by Zaerohas anyone tried them out?
>>12007821>Dude have you played 90s wads?Yeah, and by and large most will fail at emulating them. It's not 90s anymore and with modern tools the focus has shifted onto visuals, people can't help but to pour more effort into pretty things. As you said, worship, or homage; but it wouldn't make it a lesser interesting thing to play. I think use3d and Monti still get it right.>There is not a lot of Plutonia or Scythe influence in this.Like it has no doom 2 monsters. Just saying.
>>12007769>Stuff like Rekkr, Golden Souls trilogy, Hell Frontier, 10x10 Project, Machete and DisjunctionWould putting something joe-ilya has made would make this inforgraphic less of /vr/ visit card, or more? He's "our guy" with many precious contributions as of now.All of this stuff is on vrbin already by the way.
>>12007271Sandy is cool.>>12007432>Weird fanboyism does thatYeah. Immature bastards go with "if I like this one guy, then I must hate another" and that behavior being encouraged in the past doesn't help shit either.>>12007551Here's a controversial idea, anon: how about you go and make a map with these textures yourself?>>12007776>I remember it in Q4, though.It was a different character... for some stupid reason.>>12007787>Q3 is really not canon anywayIt is. Arena Eternal is just it's own plane of existence or whatever that doesn't really affect any other game.I'll use Champions as explanation, but it having both BJ and Doomguy there didn't have any affect on each franchise. Same logic implies to Q3A.
>>12007949Why are you referring to yourself in 3rd person?
>>12007271>Sandy interview of him...Don't care. Guy is still afraid of making a single serviceable map, instead spams the twitter like a true grandpa on leave.>>12007956I know who I am, anon.
>>12007949Has Joe-ilya ever made a solo map set?
>>12007983Rise of the Triangles. There was another one he mentioned in previous thread that I know nothing much about. I think he's trying to catch up with solo sets after working on community projects all the time.
>>12007740I can't even see what's going on in there.Is he inserting a single round into the bolt carrier?
>>12007962>Guy is still afraid of making a single serviceable mapSandy doesn't need to pander to the only niche group of people that somewhat care about him. Petersen had a proper career with many accomplishments.
>>12007386>>both versions have still have project MSX despite not being compatible with GZDOOM for years.Good. Everything related to GZDoom should be removed from the OP.
>>12008101>panderHe does, in a way. Otherwise he wouldn't have been writing and talking about doom all the time.
>>12008123He also talks about Call Of Cthulhu, Age Of Empires and horror movies and horror literature, more than Doom actually. At least get your facts straight.
>>12008101It'd also just be feeding the stupid him vs Romero thing even more.>Petersen had a proper career with many accomplishments.Yeah, dude just moved the fuck on from id and went back to doing other stuff.
>>12008169That's everyone but Romero, to be fair.
>>120070723:01 https://files.catbox.moe/mm92xc.lmp
>>12008169Without Sandy, Lovecraft and Cthulhu Mythos wouldn't have been so popular from 80s to this day. He created the whole Call Of Cthulhu rpg, fixed Derleth's shitty updates to mythos, and categorized everything much better (like separating Shoggoth and Dark Young Of Shub-Niggurath into different creatures, because they were already completely different creatures in their novels even though both were called Shoggoths). All post 80s mythos novels, games and table tops are based on Sandy's updated Mythos, which makes him second most important Cthulhu Mythos creator after Lovecraft himself. Sure he was important guy on Doom and Quake, but Call Of Cthulhu rpg is his greatest achievement.
>>12008180>That's everyone but Romero, to be fair.Is that also a part of the stupid Romero vs. Petersen fallacy anon has mentioned? Sounds to me they both crave attention just the same. But in any case, this topic expires faster than a whore rotting under the desert sun.
>>12008231>Without Sandy, Lovecraft and Cthulhu Mythos wouldn't have been so popular from 80s to this day.Yeah there's a couple of interesting documentaries on it that amount to Lovecraft being a largely forgotten author by the 60s/70s.
>>12008231Did Sandy's game come out before the Metallica song?
>>12008293Call of Cthulhu was first released in 81, so it was before the song got renamed, yeah.
>>12007892>Tempered Arms by LippethBaratus and Parias are extremely overpowered IMO, Daedolon is good. The Fighter gets a shield for his axe which removes his early game weakness against Chaos Serpents. Alt-fire of the Hammer is very powerful and mana-efficient, you can just run around and bash the ground until everybody is dead. Quietus can work as a melee weapon.The Cleric gets a shield. The Serpent staff has an AOE alt-fire and the Firestorm creates a killing aura around the player. Wraithverge is mostly the same.The Mage is more balanced. He gets a melee attack for his wand, the Frost Shards launch icicles in full-auto mode, the Arc of Death gibs centaurs in melee. Bloodscourge is much more reliable in tight rooms.All weapons also receive gorgerous smooth animations.
>>12008186Nice, I like that you came up with your own route first. If this is Multiple-Demos-Submitted-Anon, and you plan on grinding more, check out the current record on DSDA for ideas (1:25). I just watched it for the first time
>>12008298Ebin. I always thought Metallica was what made Cthulhu part of popular culture. I first heard this song 15+ years ago and only just read the story Call of Cthulhu recently and it makes this song even more bad asshttps://youtu.be/ocpQ3vqRKLohttps://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/cc.aspx
>>12008264I think that could probably be argued, but him doing the Call Of Cthulhu game no doubt really helped revive interest in Lovecraft's works.
>>12007748Not him, but I found it. Not sure if you want it or not, it was a bit TOO fucked up, at least for me.>>12007782It's a good .wad, it's supposed to have more parts to it, wonder if those will ever be made?
>>12007309It doesn't matter how "barely noticeable" it is - it is an update, which means this is what you use.>>12007324There a lot more updates to make but what is the point? These retards can't put an updated link in the OP.>>12007386This. Except people HAVE VOTED for mega man but a couple of retards here are too stubborn to ever let go of their autistic rage over mega man and they keep using retarded arguments to keep not updating the link which only demotivates people who actually work on the updates.
>>12008507Mega-man more like mega-fag lol
>>12007709Yeah cause that worked so well for what, 5 years now? At this point you faggots are more annoying than pro-megaman crowd. Literally you had 4 threads or whatever the actual number is to just update the fucking link which is objectively an improvement, however small. And you are going against all common sense and logic, going the extra mile just to piss people off
>>12007729> It's multiple people that are shitting on the Megaman fag1. I will buy that maybe there are two (2) people shitting on megaman wad but it's definitely not more than that.2. It's 100% not one person who's pro-megaman for the simple reason that back when we had anti-megaman janny(ies) they would constantly ban him for literally any mention of megaman or their own banning policies. But other people would always start posting about it whenever that happened.> I used to be one of them and quite vocal aboutBe honest, was it you who kept insisting that it's only one guy? Cause you're doing it still.> That being said, it's quite clear he "updated" the infograph just to add Megaman. Who gives a fuck what the motive is? It is an update and a decent one at that - even though it's like 1.5% of all the shit that needs to be updated on that pic.> If he's capable of adding Megaman to graph, I'm sure he has time and skills to do real update to end this nonsense.Except why would he or anybody else do it if people keep using the old link out of sheer weaponized autism?
>>12007758This. Faggot jannies and some others desperately want this to be a shitty forum where everyone knows everyone and all are ruled by the ban hammer of the admin, but that's the opposite of what 4chan is and should be.
>>12008509Among anti-megaman folk this is considered being intelligent
>>12008507I don't even understand what this whole thing is about.
>>12007506In what sense are you maintaining it? You haven't updated the doom pic at all, despite multiple versions now. Are you this pathetic that your ego is attached to being "the guy who watches over the infographic link"?
>>12007489Speak for yourself samefag
>>12008559If you care that much don't take my word for it - just feel free to actually read the archives. And of course shit like pic related doesn't get created for no reason exactly.If faggot janny returns - feel free to use this. Who knows maybe it's this kind of activism that got mods to review what was actually going on here
>>12008561wrong pic, meant this one
>>12008541its about a couple of autists who want this place to be a small-time forum literally using any excuse to prevent somebody they identified as a "foreigner" from making contributions to their isolated ghetto community
>>12008541Stupid personal power fight that started over shitty edits to an image that most people pay no attention to, but grew to include fighting over mods, that one mentally ill dipshit resurfacing and anons with a persecutions complex trying to use it as absolute proof of them being an appressed underclass sticking up to an evil dictator.All of it's entirely fucking worthless and has dragged on for months with flareups like this whenever somebody gets bitchy about it again and reminds all the other idiots to start their own shit up too.
>>12008564yeah and please mention what is the actual reason for these flareups? maybe the fact that some fuck keeps ignoring the updates that some people work on? imagine you spend time and effort on a wad and it literally doesn't get posted in the news? no shit people are gonna bring it up.
Posting a fireblu sector toilet in a Doom thread.You guys like Doom, right?
If people are so upset about it, why not include a section in the graphic for other franchise Doom spinoffs? You could accompany MM8BDM with SR2B and SR2B kart/ Ring Racers.
>>12008581We had an anon who was spending some time making a big overhaul to it but he keeps getting discouraged.
>>12008573I love to fireblu when I firepoo
>>12008573Overused palette, disparate-looking shotgun, textures could use some variety. If not for these negative points it could've been one good cozy toilet. HUD is decent.
>>12008581People initially got defense because it started as that anon trying to replace other mods so he could fanwank his chosen mod, not that the fight these days is even really about the mod anymore.The image was so insignificant it didn't get touched for some thing like ten years, and updating it now is kind of pointless when there's the /vr/ depot page and stuff like that, which can provide information in a much better way than a handful of pngs ever could.
>>12007847Amazing what can happen if you present even a *slightly* less gay (literally) and retarded (also literally) community in which talented people can participate in.
>>12008605>HUD is decent.Really grips your attention while taking a dump, better than most air freshener labelings
>>12008605It's an insanity section, it's not always fireblu.
>>12008524You might be new on this general. While the anonymity here is all fine and good, usually the project leaders and more known names sometimes post their releases with names. It makes project managing easier. Also I'm pretty sure that Revae, Batandy and lunchlunch don't mind if they have their wads recommended on infograph as they've already been cacowarded and have their wads played by multiple vtubers. Also the infograph does already have our wads section, so it would just be an expansion. Also this general is very different from the rest of site. Instead of being full contrarian shithole where we just hate everything related to our hobby, we make shitloads of quality oc and celebrate our work. If this starts to become /v/ 2.0 where nobody produces anything but only shitposts off-topic, I have no reason to stay here myself. Luckily this isn't the case.What comes to bans and jannies, this discussion isn't really related to them.
>>12008562Never take your meds, niggas like you that are straight up crazy but not violent are funny as hell
>>12008581Dude this is literally like fourth way of doing this. MM has been added at various points to 3 different sections but 1-2 faggots keep autistically screeching that it's "wrong" and unorthodox or some shit.There is no reasoning with them. They've attached their ego to the idea that megaman must not be in the infographic for some moronic reason.
>>12008616Yea. Thinking about joining map-center myself when I have more time on my hands. Not yet experienced on Q2 mapping, but I'm interested. Especially when Call Of The Void adds all Q1 monsters and textures, which allows to make much more interesting scenarios in addition of just techbases.
>>12008589As well he should, his shit is awful. But also again what's the point? Some faggot will keep making new threads with the old link anyways.
>>12008651>As well he should, his shit is awful.If we're talking about that 90's looking one that I assume >>11996980 was working on, I can't agree. Above all else I trust him more than anything that's been posted above.
>>12008606>not that the fight these days is even really about the mod anymore.To me it seems like it's about people who want to continue to make progress of which megaman has become a symbol vs people who want to literally never move forward and sit on their 20 yo links/images/etc and I guess jerk off to how "correct" and cosher it is
>>12008643Dude, there is nothing wrong with adding the Megaman to infograph. There is plenty wrong in disguising the addition of one 15 year old as an actual update and trying to spam it every thread, while refusing to actually update the infograph. You should see the difference in this.Howerer, you should rejoice. I've had enough of this shit, so I will start doing actual updated infograph next week and will post my progress here. The update will have your Megaman, but also 90 more important updates. Will you now shut up about it?
>>12008634> You might be new on this general. I'm not.>usually the project leaders and more known names sometimes post their releases with names. It makes project managing easier. Also I'm pretty sure that Revae, Batandy and lunchlunch don't mind if they have their wads recommended on infograph as they've already been cacowarded and have their wads played by multiple vtubers. Also the infograph does already have our wads section, so it would just be an expansion.That makes perfect sense and is exactly why "Name" field exists to begin with. But I'm taking about an authoritarian shithole that some people wanna see this place become. And you can just take a look at various doom forums to see what it inevitably leads to - politics that ruins the actual community of people who care about the thing and not the power bullshit.> Also this general is very different from the rest of site. Instead of being full contrarian shithole where we just hate everything related to our hobbyOh but that's exactly what we're seeing now. Some people trying to make changes and actually working off of feedback and then a bunch of faggots never letting them make a single step forward by forcing the old shitty link in the OP.> we make shitloads of quality oc and celebrate our workNot when it comes to infographics apparently lol.> What comes to bans and jannies, this discussion isn't really related to them.I don't know what discussion are you having but I can tell you that posting here under the oppression of jannies was fucking awful and everybody hated it - which is why every time a janny would be absent even for a couple of hours the whole thread would turn into taking shit on him for being a faggot. There's no smoke without fire. Now we have a - possibly temporary - period of freedom and I for one cherish it very much.
>>12008658There's some of that but there's also the weird board shit that crept in shortly later with the anon in this thread thinking he's doing internet activism.>>12008665>The update will have your Megaman, but also 90 more important updates. Will you now shut up about it?Please do, add every conceivable mod so it goes back to being a universally boring thing where no fuckwit decides to fight for his own piece of personal validation and it gets forgotten for another decade.
>>12008665Not him, but I'd love to see a legit new version. Go for it bro. Do a good job so that no one can question its worthiness to be used.
>>12008658Megaman is 15 year old. I wouldn't call it progress. But like I said, I will update the infograph and add the Megaman among other things, because you lack the skills to do so. I'm doing this for all of us. I just want this shit to stop. I want peace on /vr/.
>>12008559>>12008563>>12008564Jesus fucking Christ. Is the Mega Man franchise cursed or something?
>>12008665>while refusing to actually update the infographExcept if you actually knew wtf you were talking about, you would know that there were already 4+ versions that include the megaman one including v9. And every one of them, even if actually liked by actual people, always gets suppressed for whatever reason. THAT is why people are protesting.> Howerer, you should rejoice. I've had enough of this shit, so I will start doing actual updated infograph next week and will post my progress here. The update will have your Megaman, but also 90 more important updates. Will you now shut up about it?I can only speak for myself but I would love to see the reaction of these 1-2 anti-megaman trolls to this.Cause you're like the fifth person now who openly says he's gonna add mm in some way and everybody before you got fucked over despite their good intentions. So we'll see if your reputation or whatever you think you have is enough for them to not turn against your work simply for having megaman in it.But I will say this - anybody who actually contributes, even regardless of quality - is infinitely morally above all the shitters who only come here to block ideas and content with their shit talk.
>>12008685Not really, the mod itself could have been anything, it could have been Legendary Complex Doom or some other shit, it just took somebody being obnoxious for it to snowball into some fucking year long shitfest of idiocy.
>>12008680Yea. I'm adding a lot of stuff and reworking lot of stuff, but I will howerer post prototypes, so people who want participate on suggestions can do it.>>12008682I will. It will be a worthy update. Will probably take a few weeks to complete the whole thing.
>>12008695>Not reallyYou forget the time when everyone was convinced that Capcom was deliberately trying to kill the IP.
>>12008680>There's some of that but there's also the weird board shit that crept in shortly later with the anon in this thread thinking he's doing internet activism.I mean back when we had turbo-cunty jannies that was actually called for. Now I guess you could argue it's important to "never forget" about the crimes against anonymity and fairness that used to happen (as autistic as that sounds).> Please do, add every conceivable mod so it goes back to being a universally boring thing where no fuckwit decides to fight for his own piece of personal validation and it gets forgotten for another decade.This
>>12008690The difference is that, that I'm actually updating it. Megaman will be 1% of the update. A side note and not real reason for updating. I've thought about updating this for few years, but this was the last push for me to do it.
>>12008698To be fair they did kill the next Megaman Legends game and killed Zx while leaving it on a cliffhanger. To keep it on topic, Highway Acelleroid Booster sure is cool.https://terminusest13.itch.io/highway-acceleroid-booster
>>12008707You don't win against retards by appeasing them. You just encourage their incomprehensible whims.The megaman mp mod is dead and more posters itt have argued against it than there have been matches played this year. The very fact he preferred to include some throwaway megaman mod over any of the ashes projects just indicates arrested mental development by overexposure to nintendo products
>>12008717You think he actually plays videogames?
>>12008717I'm not trying to win against anyone. I just want stop this unnecessary war on both sides. And of course I'm including Ashes. The most important reason for me doing this is to update the infograph that nobody has updated for 9? years. The source port info is outdated, there's lot of important wads missing, there /vr/'s wads missing etc. I just want to document stuff, our stuff. Megaman is just sidenote to stop this stupid war. And I probably wouldn't even consider adding if it did not have single player campaign. I probably put it to TCs instead mp.
>>12008717Again with this retarded argument.Once again bozo: 1. the original megaman autist hasn't returned to this board in eons.2. every person who's been in favor of adding megaman this last half a year that I've been frequenting this place has been 100% reasonable and open to feedback even if their versions were kinda shit or at least disliked by meYou are arguing in bad faith, probably because you're the anti-megaman schizo
>>12008740>1. the original megaman autist hasn't returned to this board in eons.yet here you are
>>12008740You're so fucking obvious.
>>12008739>And I probably wouldn't even consider adding if it did not have single player campaign.For the record the multiplayer is totally alive though not as jam packed as it was couple of years ago. I played it recently and some other anons did too since they posted screenshots.> I probably put it to TCs instead mp.Agreed.
>>12008717>You don't win against retards by appeasing them.clearly you don't win by being as stubborn and autistic as they are either, since this would've been over months ago if some cuck didn't keep pushing the old infographic link. honestly it's probably the guy who made it, who's just too petty to give up his real estate in the OP
>>12008751>as they arewhy are you talking about yourself in the 3rd person
>>12008751There is not new infograph link (yet), but there will be. The real version will hopefully satisfy everyone. At this point it is meaningless to add the version with only 3 new (actually old) TCs added and not any important info updated.
>>12007062Vytaan is streaming Eviternity II d2all attemptsMAP33 is next! https://www.twitch.tv/vytaan
Do we discuss Doom anymore?
>>12008748Now, as I'm making the infograph, I'm asking you to step down on this fight. You are not doing any favors for me, yourself or regarding the addition of Megaman, if you don't calm down on this subject matter.Also, this is one time only thing. If you get obsessed over some other wad in the future, and the infograph is already updated, I won't do any other update just to add 1 wad.
>>12008764buy an ad
>Yet another thread derailed by arguments about the infograph/MMFucking hell.
>>12008765Infograph is part of the meta discussion as long as it keeps civil.
>>12008773It's a shitty and retarded meta discussion.
>>12008771Not so much derailed as I decided to start the updating progress next week. It will be fun, and you all can participate with suggestions. Peace.
>>12008696I'm still against the known named posters getting a special treatment outside of /vr/ community projects, but if you're willing to hit past the upload size limits then maybe it's alright. Wouldn't prevent from some groups infiltrating anyway, of which there is already a precedent. The list you have provided was least concerning >>12007769
>>12008776And what do you think you are adding with this comment? Why do see documenting our history and ultimately keeping this place alive and well as a bad thing?
>>12007769>All forums award their own guysPlease don't go down that thought path, this shit is already bad enough without anons getting the idea that we should run our own Cacowards equivalent.
>>12008682>Inner thigh scratch marksYou guys don't think? No, an Imp wouldn't do that to Doomguy...
>>12008803It's not a question of what an Imp would do to Doomguy, it's a question of what Doomguy would force the Imp to do.
Is anyone even playing MM8BDM right now?
>>12008803Baron is gonna show Doomguy whos boss in this techbase.
>>12008782Not including them would be a special treatment. I'm gonna add stuff like Eviternity, Ashes, Auger Zenith, and dozens of wads not made by any of us too. I'm not cancelling or banning stuff just because they are made by /vr/ members. I'm open for suggestions, but sorry I'm not going anti-/vr/, because of paranoid fears. It's infograph made by /vr/ for /vr/, so of course it will be pro-/vr/.
>>12008807Not really.
>>12008819highly historically notable modat least in some schizophrenic's mind
>>12008820Even the one server that looks alive is just bots, lol.
>>12008760Yes, there is. Somebody posts it literally in every thread - including in response to the news post. It just keeps getting ignored. https://imgur.com/a/wB0psIa
>>12008814There can only be one boss of the Phobos gym, you know.
>>12008767Why do I have to step down but not the people pushing the old link? I think it's just good manners to use to latest version of the link and then when yours is done, provided it's of quality - we will switch that one out. But the new link is better anyways since it fixed the order Thief pics so they are actually in a row as opposed to in random order. The guy who maintains it promised to be fair and so far has been.> If you get obsessed over some other wad in the futurePersonally was never obsessed with any wad aside from maybe BD in how much I hate it, but I never really post about it and don't even mind it being in the pic, since I'm not autistic.
>>12008828I told you to back off. I'm updating the infograph for real. Don't make me change my mind.
>>12008791Because he's a sad incel, obviously. Same reason he's against making small additions. If it wasn't megaman, he'd be hating something else and I'm sure he has already.
>>12008835I'm doing only the one for Doom now, but I can copy the Thief updates.
>>12008797What's wrong with that? They shouldn't have all the monopoly especially since we know for a fact that they've become political and power oriented as opposed to fair
>>12008807I'm gonna play in a couple of hours probably
>>12008819> Not really>> *posts a screenshot of a hundred servers*How many multiplayer mods are this alive after this much time?
>>12008845Agreed. We should always celebrate our own work. Anyone who is against this should fock off.
>>12008797I have a golden boner!
>>12008838> I told you to back off.Take it easy little bro. If you final version is good, we'll switch to it. For now, the latest we got is https://imgur.com/a/wB0psIaSo if you gonna release yours in a couple weeks anyway what's the issue with using the latest one we have for now?
>>12008852There are thousands of servers hosting dead games that no one plays, because it costs nothingGet it through your thick retarded skull, no human plays your megaman mod that you're obsessed over for some reason that even Freud couldn't fathom
>>12008845One fuckwit's need for an old infographic to validate his taste in mods has fucked these threads sideways for half a year or more already, we don't need some idiot deciding he has to force A Boy & His Barrel has to win a /Doom/ Award and other chucklefucks getting on the bandwagons for/against it for their own reasons.
>>12008843Are you gonna make your own link? Cause at this point I'm against using the old link even if it gets updated. The guy who maintains it seems unstable
>>12008862If anything it will activate this general and make people try more
>>12008852>hundreds of serversAll empty servers except the two with bots, they're not alive.
>>12008868show me super alive multiplayer mods this old
>>12008867>and make people try moreHasn't happened so far, sure there's been inane bickering aplenty but not so much creativity.
>>12008872Why should he show you? He’s not the one proposing that we change the infographic just to add your favorite shitty mod to it, he doesnt have to prove anythingJust leave it you giga retarded autist, wait patiently and the other anon will add itFor the love of God quit derailing the thread
>>12008863Yes.>>12008862My major reason for doing it is to update outdated info. Adding mm to stop this stupid flamewar and to stop mm guy forcing his infograph is just a sidequest. If majority decides the new infograph is shit, I'll back off too. If you are doing nothing yourself, you have no right criticize.
>>12008797Our own awards is something that was actually knocked around in the past some but nothing ever came out of it simply because there's no reliable and secure way to do this sort of thing with any reasonable degree of anonymity, and also nobody could be fucked to build and organize this kind of shit.I think we probably all quietly came to the conclusion that it wasn't necessary anyway, and looking at how Cacowards went over time, combined with those catastrophically shitty and low effort "Doom Awards" which were going to be "a better and less biased Cacowards," everyone decided it was even less necessary.I think however that we should definitely feature a section for our own works on a /vr/ Dooming chart, because it's OUR chart collectively, and I think some of this stuff is genuinely pretty good and worth having some pride over. That's not an awards show, we're just listing some of our own work, it's not like there's absolute tons of them that would take up much space.I don't know if I still want to continue making one though, and I'm personally at the point where if I continue and get there, I'd simply exclude MM8BDM out of spite. He had his chance and he's been WAY too fucking annoying.>>12008852All those Megaman 8-Bit Death Match, servers, and it's all Megaman 8-Bit Tumble Weeds.You should have gotten on this autism train like 8 years ago, when people on /doom/ actually gave a fuck about this mod, and back when it had more than a handful of people playing it.Ghouls Vs. Humans is a much cooler multiplayer mod by Cutman anyway.
>>12008884If you are seriously working on it, then evaluate the fact that even by inclusion of some dead decade old mp mod that a sole poster is forcing into it will make anyone regard the rest of it dubious.
>>12008880How are we derailing the thread? The first guy asked to finally included the updated link and he got mostly insults in response. Then other people started explaining why the anti-megaman logic doesn't make sense.So how is addressing a real issue of new link being ignored = derailing?>>12008884>Yes.Good.
>>12008891>I don't know if I still want to continue making one though, and I'm personally at the point where if I continue and get there, I'd simply exclude MM8BDM out of spite. He had his chance and he's been WAY too fucking annoying.Who is "he"? A ton of people have argued in favor of mm8bdm at this point. So it seems like you're just making an excuse for what you were gonna do anyways.
>>12008896>A ton of peopleyeah, (You)stop humiliating yourself
>>12008892> he's still trying to manipulate people into excluding mmHoly christ man. Just give it up already. Everybody has decided like 10 times already that mm8bdm should be in the final pic - whoever makes it. It's over. Let it go.
>>12008891> combined with those catastrophically shitty and low effort "Doom Awards" which were going to be "a better and less biased Cacowards," everyone decided it was even less necessary.Even the ZDoom awards fell flat on their face for being a shallow attempt to placate an angry Graf. >I think however that we should definitely feature a section for our own worksSo something like this?https://rentry.org/vrdepot
>>12008891You seem to have some kind of monarch complex where you put yourself in a position to "punish" people by excluding "their" mod. So I'm already inclined to reject your work, since you're showing yourself to be biased.We don't need any more autism - whether for megaman or against, or with regard to any other wad/mod.
>>12008896Maybe your lack of medication makes you feel like you're a ton of people, but you're pissing me the fuck off with your obvious samefagging and incredibly shitty attempts at gaslighting.I have no respect for you at all, clearly the notion of getting you to behave by being open to appeasing you was a colossal error in my judgment, and I will be making no further efforts for your sake in the future.>>12008907The depot is good and I'm appreciative of it, but I like the convenience of having basically just a "flyer" which can be posted on the boards or other places.Something which gives anyone interested the quick and basic rundown of how to get started with the base game, and then some parts with various different optional contents.
>>12008916this. I'm not a hater or anything and am on the side of creators by default but this shitty attitude of "durr I'm gonna punish you little one" and admitting you're doing something out of spite is inherently repulsive.
>>12008892I'm starting next week. Not tomorrow, but the day after that. Mm has also sp portion, and it's the sole reason I even consider adding it. But it's definitely not the only mod I'm adding, and probably the least important one. Ashes is the most important tc addition imo.
>>12008916>>12008921You're completely transparent.
>>12008573>Doommore like dumb lmao
>>12008917>Maybe your lack of medication makes you feel like you're a ton of people, but you're pissing me the fuck off with your obvious samefagging and incredibly shitty attempts at gaslighting.>I have no respect for you at all, clearly the notion of getting you to behave by being open to appeasing you was a colossal error in my judgment, and I will be making no further efforts for your sake in the future.Retard I'm gonna say this once: I am one of several people in this thread. I am not against your future pic. But I'm not gonna "behave" on your command like I'm your fucking lapdog. Wanna discipline people to feel better about yourself? Try becoming a janny (tho you sound like you'd be insufferable).I'm posting about an aspect of doom in a doom thread.What the fuck is your problem exactly?
>>12008924>Mm has also sp portionYou should definitely emphasize this in the write-up, the single player is pretty great too, very underrated.
>>12008896Please stop this, if you want mm8bit added. I dont care about mm8bit added myself even though I will update the infograph. I'm doing it for you as favor. So please, stop lies, stop gaslighting, stop samefagging, stop spamming over this same topic. Do not make me change my mind.
>>12008932>I am one of several people in this thread. No you aren't.
>>12008932Why the fuck are you so obsessed with some dead mp mod? Your attempts of samefagging are so blatantly obvious that I can't help but suspect you are borderline retarded, every single post you make will make people disregard any OP pic that has megaman just because of you
Yeah as someone who never posts, this MM autist keeps wrecking threads! Not helping their position on a dead mod with the gaslighting and samefagging.Can we just talk about /doom/? What are you playing anons?
>>12008845We're not the typical forum you previously referred to and actually have very little to gain from competing with their monopolies other than potentially attracting their worst members. Rallying people you could've only had a passing conversation or collaboration with under some uniting banner is a whole different kind of wild which I may also not understand, but that's just me. Video games are very serious business.
>>12008965I'm playing Slade.
>>12008965>Can we just talk about /doom/? What are you playing anons?Went through original Perdition's Gate again since the spiritual sequel got an RC out and felt like I needed a refresher on it, I think I had more fun than I did with Plutonia.
>>12008970Fun! Making levels is the best.Just finished call of the machine, really liked it myself.
>>12008972Ooh, I've got to check that out again. Played it through a long time ago.
>>12008968Nta but. We are closest of typical Doom forum of 2000s. Celebrating our own members and their work is not conscious competing, it's our own thing. Attracting people here is ultimately necessary at some point for this place to stay alive, and I rather stay here than migrate. We have always been united under own banner,and that's the (fun) thing about forums. You are free to not understand it, but I ask you to not go actively against it.
>>12008973Call Of The Void comes out next friday, so good timing.
>>12008985I think it's worth playing, some of the music is especially neat.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX-gwcq71nI
>>12008972I didn't enjoy Perdition's Gate at all, the level design is very monotonous and the gameplay is super underwhelming and easy.How's the sequel gonna be like?
>>12008965Playing through KF Mapping Project No. 2. Despite the terrible memes and edgy jokes, it's better than I expected. The Terry map was a shock
>>12008965I actually haven't played much Doom or doomesque stuff recently outside of fiddling with the Heretic + Hexen release.Been thinking about making a sort of art project in vanilla Doom tho.Not a myhouse.wad thing, just an environment.
>>12008965Not much Doom. Should be playing more Marathon stuff like DDD or Tempest Irae Redux so as to learn from that shit, but it's hard to play examples of the thing you're working with because it inevitably turns to "shouldn't you get back to work?"
>>12008965I'm playing a boss map submission for Skulltiverse II, I am addicted to this map. I should play more maps for projects I'm not involved with though.
>>12009071I like what I see, the city night lights, the crane, the vortex around Doomguy's head on the HUD.
>play gameplay mod>cool mechanic is locked behind the chainsaw/blursphere pickupPlease don't do this, mappers actively avoid using those items
>>12009085>mappers actively avoid using those itemsI don't, I actively disregard feedback telling me I should never use them.
>>12008965Decided to test Operaton Deadbolt a little more in this random WAD I found called Pagan. It's pretty good, honestly.>https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=80399Also gotta play more Mass Disassembly, it's a Murder Drones mod and while I never bothered with that before, it plays so fucking good I want to see what the source material is like.>captcha: D2TTY
>>12009092>Mass DisassemblyThat one really flew under the radar, I guess cause it looks a bit cheesy but it sure is fun.
>>12008965Did another playthrough of 2 continuous. I do like the semi-exploratory bits with interesting areas. The Chasm, while being a bit annoying navigation wise, did have some neat bits such as the little industrial zone where you could smack consoles that did things. Monster Condo, Citadel had some cool dressing. City maps even if a bit frustrating at points was alright. The suburbs was kinda fun including the unusual architecture.
>>12009092>this random WAD I found called PaganDude who made it is pretty fucking prolific too.https://www.moddb.com/company/shadowman271/mods
>Download latest version of GzDoom>Sound balancing is terrible, almost muffledAnyone had this issue before? Everything I find related to it says it's fixed, or the recommended setting changes don't fix it at all.
>>12008169>It'd also just be feeding the stupid him vs RomeroThat's also a good point. Sandy is mature enough to keep his distance.>>12008231>Call Of Cthulhu rpg is his greatest achievement.And that's awesome!
>>12008965>Can we just talk about /doom/? What are you playing anons?Will go back to replaying Hexen with 'enhanced' levels on. No significant changes caught my eye so far and I'm in third Hub already. Swapping classes is fun, but I need to figure out how to approach maps in Seminary. Recommendations would be nice. If that helps, all my prior playthrough I only played as Cleric and I'm open to leaning more onto two other classes.
>>12008965Community Chest 4, with High Noon Drifter and Project Malice monsters to make it less of a slog.
>>12009175Had a hunch I recognized its style from somewhere, good shit.>>12009117Yeah, it's really fun. It's also quite well-designed in general, it really encourages you to not stick with only one weapon.
>>12008489I'm down. Send them along
>>12009085I always assumed modders used their rarity as carte blanche to experiment with weird shit knowing that a lack of it wouldn't affect the main arsenal too much
>>12009251>it really encourages you to not stick with only one weapon.Kind of the opposite of a Pillowblaster mod where you quickly get to a point where you can pretty much just use one weapon to walk through most wads.
>>12009085>play gameplay mod>cool mechanic is locked behind the chainsaw/blursphere pickupWhat are some mods that do this?
>>12009294Not that anon but Term's mods tend to replace blurspheres and chainsaws with something cool.
>>12009294Final Doomer
>>12009092>Also gotta play more Mass Disassembly, it's a Murder Drones mod and while I never bothered with that before, it plays so fucking good I want to see what the source material is like.You should definitely watch Murder Drones then. It's short but probably requires rewatches unless you're super autistic. The mod's pretty good.
>>12008773NGL every time I come to the topic and see the arguing about the infograph or drama bullshit I just dip, and I'm probably not the only one. It was nice when people were talking about Heretic and Hexen more for a bit because it was at least on topic
>>12009285Not especially, unless you've got a very specific mapset in mind you're never going to be able to cover everybody's uses of stuff so you usually just get something relatively following the lines of what vanilla does with the items.From my end I don't buy into the chainsaw/shotgun/blursphere/lightamp/allmap shouldn't be used thing, they've all got their places even if some people obsess over the idea that the chainsaw is a punishment and refuse to pick it up.
>>12007101based moms with necessities enjoyer
Its Sunday Night Shitshow time again! This time with Byoc and Reverie! search for "macgu.fun" in doomseeker , also zandronum 3.2.1 is needed
>>12007062I have a problem here.I want to make a specific altfire state to work when it doesn't have ammo (picrel), but I go into the game and I'm testing in out, it keeps shooting like there was still ammo despite being zero on the counter, here a video of what I'm talking about:https://files.catbox.moe/aznizy.mp4I've tried everything that I know, but nothing, so if any zscript coder knows how to fix it...Please
>>12009425I don't code decorate, but decription says>Checks the amount of inventorytype items in the actor's inventory. If there are at least amount, the jump is performed. The offset parameter specifies how many frames ahead to jump. So it seems like you should invert your triggers, and jump for proper sound if there's at least one. But it's also possible that ammo isn't called "clip"? This would make it always fail, presumably.
>>12009425It's been a very long time since I've fucked with this shit so I may be wrong but I think you got it backwards and have to get it to jump when it's got the ammo to the altfire that actually fires it, and have it otherwise default to the free one.
>>12009424Is the 150 MB pk3 really necessary?
>>12009425 (me)Wait, I Found a proper soultion now, but I will say from the get go that I'm using the clip ammotype for now for testing this gun.>>12009430>>12009432Thank you for atleast helping me anons :)
>>12009454That would be BYOC, so, yes.
I just learned conveyors the other day and had fun putting in some timed conveyor teleporter spawns in my map. However they don't work for flying monsters do they? I think I have to use deep water and current instead, but I can't seem to find the tutorial I need. How do I do timed conveyor teleporters for my Lost Souls?
>>12009470Put them under fake floor using action 242. I just tested it, it worked like this.https://files.catbox.moe/zj2rnt.wad
>>12009424>ByocOh boy
>>12009470Can you do escalators?
>>12009505You can scroll things uphill if the height difference is walkable. It gets a little awkward if you try to scroll them off the cliff.
>>12009485Thanks anon, this helps! I think I can figure it out from here.>>12009505Not yet, learning conveyors just the other day was the first thing I've done outside of vanilla mapping skills. It was exciting when I got it right. This should be all I need to finish my map, I just wanted some timed monster spawns without making those pesky sound tubes.
>>12009532>I just wanted some timed monster spawns without making those pesky sound tubes.You can also do that by joining sectors with teleport closets in a lot of cases
>>12009517You know what must be done: create Escalator Land.
>>12009532Remember that monsters bypass teleport line if the destination is blocked. You should return them.Which seems a little unrelable on its own, so best if they stand in a single rank. Here's a screenshot from one of my maps, the full-proof scroll closet.
>>12009085I do this, but I also bundle chainsaws with backpacks.
>>12009085>>cool mechanic is locked behind the chainsaw/blursphere pickupThis gives me an impish idea: A weapon pack that seems identical to the base weapons, but swaps them out entirely when the blursphere is picked up.
>>12009557For the duration of the level, the duration of the powerup, or swapping it each time you pick up a blursphere?
>>12009085>there are people out there who don't like the chainsawUnacceptable.
>>12009580I don't hate it, but it's really only good for saving ammo on pinkies. When playing as a kid I developed a pavlovian response of *hear pinkie activation sound* ---> *whip out chainsaw*
>>12009580I'll be honest, Anon. I trust the fist more than the chainsaw. I can't tell you how many times it's failed to proc a pain roll and I get chomped/scratched for it.
Hey, conveyor question anon here again. Is there info out there about conveyor speed to get the correct timing? Like say, if I want a monster spawn at 30 seconds after a trigger, then that number should be able to be correlated to a conveyor speed and length right? If that table doesn't exist then it should, it would be a valuable resource.
>>1200960232 units of line corresponds to 1 map unit of scroll per tic, IIRC. 1 tic is 1/35 of a second. You do the math.
>>12009580It gets worse than that, a lot don't really know how to use it effectively so they refuse to use it at all.I've even seen people transfer that to Heretic and refuse to use the gauntlets, which is significantly fucking worse to skip out on.
>>12009609>You do the math.I will! Thanks anon, that helps.
>>12008020Didnt see this till now, but yeafrom what I understand thats the proper way to hold the bolt back on the C96 when manually loadingits supposed to be done with casings of the 7.XX variety though i think, but thats a small thing that could be assumed for it to be i think.
>>12008764Evi 2 d2all is done https://www.youtube.com/live/6CV82BvXslE?feature=shared&t=37611
>>12009580Some people don't realize that you can keep backing up when using the chainsaw to avoid pinky bites. Still kind of annoying but makes it more reliable. Not anyone's favorite weapon, however.
>>12008545>In what sense are you maintaining it?I simply upload the pictures to it and keep an eye open for more, but don't actually create the infographics much like in the same way I've been managing the news archive for almost a decade. Something new or updated gets made for retro games, it gets stapled on, however rare it happens. I used to make a few graphics for Monster Hunter so the amount of work that goes into these thankless efforts is somewhat relatable and especially respected, but that's beside the point. Don't get me wrong, but if there is no consensus and nothing is broken, then nothing is also worth changing, including the link. Some things I used to maintain for a token few generals eventually got replaced in good spirit, and this is obviously not one of them.Historically speaking, anyone trying to ninja a resource link on /vg/ is more often than not doing out of bad faith or trying to make their 'mark' unless they're modernizing it and is fair game for being considered hostile, it's been no different here. Hell, this year isn't even the first one where it's been hijacked over the same fucking mod and that's not a coincidence. Also, it is ironic that these incidents actually create more disdain for the mod in question than respect by trying to awkwardly hamfist it without warning on several occasions, and the fact that it has gone on for so long is more than enough reason enough not to accept an immediate replacement.
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>>12009845I could feel a loading pause after "what origin" when the newsreel style footage of fans at a convention would've loaded up.
Not sure if this is the best place to ask this but, does anyone know how to play DN3D expansions on buildgdx? Also is there a way to play Alien world order without having to experience the world tour edition? sorry for the inconvenience
>>12009424GGs and thanks for joining
>>12009290Yeah, part of why I don't really play his stuff these days. It's boring, and because GZDoom sucks for the majority of slaughterwads you also can't really use his mods in the maps that would benefit the most from them.>>12009339I will, just picking the right moment to be sure. Call of the Void comes out soon and I'll be playing that a bunch when it's out.Got to Pagan's 5th map and yeah, this Shadowman guy has a really nice style. Gameplay hasn't been lacking either, at least in this WAD he really squeezes a lot of use out of few monsters.
>people said simulacrum is goodmyoldin and muumi fucking suck, these maps suckribbicks wannabees and ribbicks sucks too
>>12009989ggsMy first experience with this mod. It is two years old and twenty at the same time. The minute more than a handful of us get in a fight, the world loses coherence. All I can see or hear are superweapons, and somehow, the distant voice of the big fucker bug thing who quotes CD-i Zelda.Weirdly endearing. Plus, the co-op teleport actually rips.
>finally got around playing Heretic for the first time>beat episode 1, really cool fantasy Doom>get to episode 2>slippery ice level pisses me off>bullshit enemy ambushes every other minutewelp
E4M4 in Quake is one of those maps you're supposed to just wander around until you find the exit. Thanks Sandy
>>12010025>It's boring, and because GZDoom sucks for the majority of slaughterwadsIt's a pity because they have tons of style, but actually playing one is totally brain-dead.I'd kill for a version of Guncaster where your power ceiling is like 99% lower. I guess that's just Psychic, though.
>>12009964Why not to just use eduke?
>>12010049>doesn't like sunlust>plays sunlust the sequel>doesn't like it>acts surprised
>>12010049just dont play slaughterslop
>>12009580nuDoom made it useful
>>12008186>>120070722:54 https://files.catbox.moe/z49k8p.lmp
is there some technical limitation that stops people making survival maps with waves? I don't think I've ever really seen any wads like that, and if they do exist they're usually old or shit anywayeven fewer seem to have companion marines fighting alongside you
>>12010579Probably because that depends on ZDoom and 90% of currently active mappers prefer Boom/MBF21 or some flavor of vanilla these days. Normally I'd tell you to check out ZDoom Forums because that's where you'd find that sort of thing, but its heyday is long, long gone.
>>12010579What? There is like 30 wads like that for Skulltag/Zandronum, because Skulltag has it's invasion mode.
>>12010681Odamex does as well too, so it can't even be said to be limited to those lines of ports.
>>12010685Yea, Odamex has it's horde mode and then there's Hordamex wad which adds 54 maps to that with shitloads of extra monsters.
>>12010681There was even that cyberpunk shootdown wad that an Anon made.https://archive.org/download/best-ever.org_WAD_archive_part_C/cyberpunkshootdown-v3.99.pk3
>>12010705Cool. Gotta try this out.
I went with a Doom 2 (Doom Format) for my first WAD. Was this a mistake?
>>12008965Moved on from UDiNO to akeldama. I missed the SSG and the horsehit that is chaingunner/revenant spam
>>12008965I’m making my first level pack!It’ll have original music too.
is there a name for this look? I swear I see it all the time, in wads like sunlust, ancient aliens, back to saturn x, simulacrum, eviternity the bright neons and trims, the fancy skyboxes. whenever I see it I just know I'm in for some hardcore faggotry I think I'd call it cacowardbait
>>12010925Vaporwave?
>>12010925>cacowardbaitAncient Aliens was absolute kinography, you better not be badmouthing it.
Does Doom music have to be MIDI or can I use a wav file?
>>12010934Depends on the port, some will take mp3s and oggs and stuff.
>>12010883Post progress anon
>>12010925Go back.
>>12010852No, you're doing it right. It's best to start simple before you move on to Boom/MBF21 or UDMF for GZ and friends.Have fun, Doom mapping is pretty great for chilling.>>12010925I've seen the pretentious "neon nihilism" used to describe some of Sunlust's void-neon maps, but in all truth I don't think there's a valid theme name like void, realistic or Egypt maps have.I guess we can just call it Ribbiks ripoff, even though it pops up before it became popular to use his style.>>12010119I think some scaly tried making a rebalanced Guncaster called Guncaster Vindicated, but don't quote me on it. I think you could possibly just use Project Malice and crank the HP values for everything up if you REALLY wanted, but I don't know if that'd help.Psychic is cool though, we love Psychic in this house.
>>12011053Where?
>>12011071>Guncaster VindicatedI forget if that was the one that tried to integrate Project Brutality with it or if that was something else.
>>12011071Boom/MBF21 doesn't HAVE to get complex, when 2048 Units Of /vr/ was Boom format, many of us were pretty green and the levels largely did not have much for advanced effects or scripts.I appreciated Boom just giving me a few of those additional functions you would expect vanilla to have.
>>12007750Time for you to uninstall all sourceports buddy, since trannies contributed to all of them
>>12010925Doom in it's original form was quite colorful as well. I'd call you a hardcore contrarian. I do get contrarianism usually since I'm something like that myself. Howerer what you are being contrarian about is fan made, free content, made with talent and love for this game, while not contributing anything of value yourself, which makes you an envious, useless and pathetic little cock sucker. Have a nice day, faggot.
>>12011095>Doom in it's original form was quite colorful as well.It's really weird when you get people who somehow remember it almost like it's Doom 3 when you've got bright fucking greens and blues and reds all over the place in increasing amounts.
>the Tall-Vile>seems typical at first>except if you're on higher ground>with each step he takes towards you>his lower legs grow in length>he'll reach your height in the same time it took to walk to your position>meaning those legs extend at basically any rate necessary>he always reaches you upwards>steps up to your ledge with a suddenly normal leg as if it wasn't just 50ft long>if you see him coming from a low angle it looks like he's been airwalking>but if you have a better look you see what's going on>he doesn't stop to cast while reaching upwards unless you hit him>because he wants you to see him comingThanks, brain, that was a very necessary dream.
>>12011110I'd say that Doom was a bit more colorful than Doom 2 a lot of the time, as the sequel leaned a bit too much on brown and tan colors.
>>12010095Why are people so averse to tedium in games? Just because the medium devolved into endless dopamine spike it doesn't mean that an experience is inferior because certain elements aren't pleasant to interact with.Abandoning tedium and struggle in favor of streamlining the experience is what caused the AAA slopmachine.Dated gameplay and artificial difficulty do not exist, for circumventing certain flaws and limitations in a game is still just an expression of the player's skill.Games that offer perfect mobility and perfect encounters are nothing but stale and hollow experiences because they never seek to challange the player in any meaningful way, but instead treat him like a dog who has learned a new trick and now has to repeat it endlessly until he gets the feeble reward of having "beaten" the game.
>>12011140chatgpt ahh post
>>12011085Agreed. I just think it's better to start in vanilla so you can get used to the absolute principles first, like making a fun layout to explore and fight through.Either way, can't go wrong with good ol' Boom and I keep having to remind myself it's okay to use it right out of the gate.>>12011084Having looked at it, that might be it. Looks like it basically shoved the PB monsters into Guncaster and tweaked some values to make them a bit less popcorn.
>>12011152No, I just riffed on music critics because I wanted to sound like a smug asshole but I do unironically think what I said, I just wanted to make it sound like I know wtf I'm talking about
>>12010940It's my first map so I spent most of Sunday learning how to us UDB and get a decent outdoor area. It'll have a custom sky once it's finished.
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>>12011181>>12011186(me)What's the best way to share music?I don't know if posting a soundcloud link would be considered advertising.Is there any interest in level music?
>>12011140I can sort of see your angle, but I don't fully agree on all points. Some streamlining can be good, and some tedium can be sacrificed for a better flow.Tedium of course has some subjectivity to it, and streamlining is sometimes used as a cover word for simply dumbing something down.
>>12011181>>12011186Looks solid, newbie. Custom sky and music is always a helpful touch which is easy to apply, but I think that it's the most necessary for Doom 2, because that brown sky and D_RUNNIN gets old crazy quick if you go through random myfirstwads. Looks like you're using Plutonia as your iwad.>>12011197If you wanted to just share music files, then catbox is good.
>>12011209Thanks! Here's the planned track. Not sure if it'll be for this level or not, but I will be using it.https://files.catbox.moe/9r8tiv.wav
>>12009045>terrible memesexplain
>>12011140You know, I perfectly understand what you're saying and the relevance of your point. AAA slop aside:My problem is that the tedium feels needless at times, in Heretic. When you're playing a fantasy game and you attack a small flying enemy with tiny limbs with a magic crossbow that fires multiple magic green bolts at the same time, and that tiny flying enemy doesn't fucking die... It just seems unnecessary. It's not that I don't get adding difficulty to combat encounters, but bloating enemy HP and reducing weapon damage is the cheapest form of that. Doom adjacent games should at least be the exception of that rule. Heretic, for all that I like about the visual presentation, is a frankly annoying game. Not annoying because of the difficulty, but because the difficulty is bestowed upon the player in a way that almost seeks to waste more time than actually give you varied chances to take damage. Being at risk of taking hits is not the issue. The issue is that the enemies are too beefy, to the point where the basic flow of combat feels like you're going over speedbumps in a crowded parking lot. Trying to psy-op people into believing gameplay like that is fun, is retarded.Quake 1 had beefy enemies. You know what that game has, though? Jumping, air control, and instant weapon switch. That makes weapon combos fun. Fire two grenades at an Ogre on approach, then switch to axe or single shotgun, bait chainsaw attack, and finish the Ogre. That's fun, engaging, just as difficult if not more, and takes a certain amount of skill/thought to learn.Heretic forces you to fight similarly beefy enemies in greater numbers, while moving slower, and while using weapons that switch, fire, and kill slower.I wish I could call that fun, but it typically isn't. Playing Heretic and Hexen with High Noon Drifter fixes those games.
>>12011223Not that anon but it's basically solid /pol/ edgelord shit, it gets dull pretty quickly.
>>12011229To further my line of thinking here:Quake 2 also has annoyingly slow weapon switch time and inflated enemy HP. The difference is that you can strafejump in Q2, which means you can choose how to approach combat in terms of where your character is positioned, a lot more carefully and quickly, on the fly. You can jump around enemies in a way that baits their attacks and then account for the weapon switch time to set up more unique combos that kill slightly faster, and it takes a higher degree of skill than simply "choosing what's best for the job." You can still use weapon combos in Quake 2, it's significantly harder to do than in Quake 1, but it's possible. A lot of Quake 2's difficulty can be attributed to people not having played much of the multiplayer. The way you can use grenades to chain together a higher amount of damage, using enemy AI against them to bait certain attacks/movement, and generally being able to move much, much faster than all enemies makes the combat less of a rock-paper-scissors situation than the game can seem on people's first playthroughs. Heretic, on the other hand, absolutely is that rock-paper-scissors type of game, but it's worse than Doom in every way possible.
>>12011186To improve the look of outdoor areas, you want to draw smaller sectors in front of the areas that change textures, and then you pull them upwards. Do this multiple times until you have something that looks like this. It's just a bunch of clicking and mousewheeling, basically.
>>12011248That does look a lot more natural, thanks
>>12011246>To further my line of thinking here:>Quake 2 also has annoyingly slow weapon switch time and inflated enemy HP.You immediately lost me. The switch speed isn't that far from being as "annoying" as classic Doom's switchspeed, and it has a similar spread of enemy healthpools.>weapon combosDon't really exist in either Quake 1 or 2, at least not in a way that helps with killtimes: It would be things like switching to the double barrel shotgun after you lobbed some grenades because you're in melee range now.
>>12011119Holy fucking shit. I love it so much it's unreal. Please lend me your brain.
>>12007076>maps made feel hardKinky.
>>12011229You might like Descent Into Heresy then.
>>12011181>>12011186SOVL
>>12011257That was literally exactly the example I gave regarding Quake 1. Quake 1 also let you combo nailguns and lightning gun in various fights, using single shotgun to finish off enemies at mid range. It also helps manage ammo count and keep from completely running out of anything. It's not purely for kill time, but weapon combos are more fun to pull off than just firing with one weapon, IMHO it adds to the feeling of freedom and player expression in combat, adds to the power fantasy that Ranger can inexplicably throw 8-10 nails at a fiend while it's jumping at him, strafe to the side to avoid getting pounced on, and then pull up with buckshot. That's at least more dynamic, you know? It's not the same old hold-or-tap M1 until thing dies, [insert cyberdemon meme] it's got more flavor.
>>12011254Don't forget adding some trees or other props up on those rocks, silhouettes always look nice.
>>12011275>That was literally exactly the example I gave regarding Quake 1.>>Fire two grenades at an Ogre on approach, then switch to axe or single shotgun, bait chainsaw attack, and finish the OgreExcept he'll die in two grenades, leading to me questioning the experience behind your posts.
My god, people! My mom just let me drink cola! How cool is that? Now I'm playing Doom and drinking cola! YIPPEEEEE!
>>12011482My dad lets me play 20 minutes of a heavily abridged version of doom.wad every week if my testicles don't weigh too low
>>12008625>the fireblu is not real, he can't hurt you
>>12010925cacowardbait made me kek
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>>12011629kek
>>12011229>Heretic forces you to fight similarly beefy enemies in greater numbers, while moving slower, and while using weapons that switch, fire, and kill slower.Use items, you fucking twat.
>>12011669I have barely touched Heretic ever, but it does give you a bunch of powerups and items to put to use, does it not?Quake gives you a Quad Damage, so haul ass and blast as many monsters as you can before it runs out, even the otherwise modest SSG you have in Quake becomes a beast when you amp it up to 4x the damage.Heretic is supposed to give you Tomes Of Power, which soup up all your weapons for a time, and I wonder if anon has been putting those to use at all?
>>12010496>>120070722:27 https://files.catbox.moe/wbdvfl.lmp
>>12007072Can you not pick a worse map to UV-Fast? Also anon, (You) said (You)'ll pick easier/medium difficulty maps instead of this UV-Fast shit on the first levels of a wad which there are custom monsters who shoot more and faster by default. Previous stuff was nice and in the last months the most attempted map was a difficult one inspired by Scythe II. Picking from map 10-20 of a 32 map wad is much better than having to deal with faster monsters as if every anon casually plays nightmare without the double ammo and monster respawning.
>>12011795>>120070722:21 https://files.catbox.moe/xsj7mp.lmp
>>12011860There are like 3 anons making challenges, most of them haven't agreed to pick easier maps. I think it's a good practice, but there's always gonna be a few people who think any given map is too hard, or have other complaints. Map 3 is like the shortest and easiest map in the set, so it's fine by me, and I'll try and pwn the other times posted later.
>>12011860I am a bit apprehensive to do a Valiant map on UV-fast again, just because Valiant's already roided Pinkies are fucking torture on fast, but I think I'll still give this challenge a go in a bit.
>>12011186Looks comfyWould hang here
Any tips for getting this guy to stand and shoot?He keeps bouncing off the wall and rarely shoots at the player.Floor is 144 units off the ground, 64x64 units wide.
>>12011986Give him a pillar instead of a closet so he has line of sight to the player more often.
>>12011986If a monster runs into a wall their attack-timer resets to a random value, so if you put a monster on a small surface they'll only rarely attack. Making the floor-area larger should fix it.
>>12011986My advice? Ditch the block idea if you can, it looks bad to put it bluntly. Make a proper platform or hill you can put the Revenant on and decorate it
>>12010925troonslop is the word you're looking for
>>12011140teleports that that put in you in a tiny room surrounded by enemies blocking you from all directions while your screen turns into jelly until you die is bad design
>>1201203541% yourself.
>>12011792the items really make a huge difference in Heretic
>>12012025But then how do you conceal it with an alcove?
>>12012035>all custom content Doom is for troonsHow pathetic your life must be, if you think like this, but yet continue to spend your time here instead of with hobbies you'd actually enjoy.
/doom/? More like tranny defense force
Is there anywhere I can find the wad files for Perdition's Gate and Hell To Pay? I can't run the EXE to create the wad files where the original downloads are provided.
>>12012151Why would you want to conceal it? It's not interesting if you just have to peekaboo the Revenant. Moving enemies are more interesting
>>12012232More like, I want to talk about this game and it's content instead of your sexual fetish.>wad has egyptian temples as a theme>"oh this makes me think of trannies"This is not mentally well behaviour. You are a sexual deviant, who's been completely engulfed by your sexual obsession. You disgust me. Fuck off, or talk about retro shooters and not about your fetishes.
>>12012246Wad archive, I think.
>>12012246If in doubt, check DSDA for it's download.https://dsdarchive.com/wads/perdgate
>>12012278>>12012284Thanks. Just realized I only needed to take and rename one file from there to get it working with Wadsmoosh.
>>12012273Ancient Aliens has a color other than brown and uses instruments beside 29-Overdrive Gt. Which, regrettably, makes it woke or something.
>>12012246mb this https://web.archive.org/web/20221027103939/http://visionsofdoom.us/wads/perdgate.zip
>>12012293and htp https://web.archive.org/web/20160328182836/https://visionsofdoom.us/wads/hell2pay.zip
>>12012301>>12012293Oh damn anon >>12012246 I misread your post, i thought you were looking for dos installers
can anyone tell me how to get eduke to play duke xtreme? is it worth going through it to play? i couldnt figure out how to find eduke in cmd. need to brush up on cmd and powershell idk.
>>12012312Use this patched versionhttps://forums.duke4.net/topic/12764-duke-xtreme-add-on-with-a-few-fixes-optional-widescreen-patch/page__pid__385035#entry385035Just drag the patched grp in the eduke folder and it appears on startup menu with rest of the expansions.While it has varying quality in it's maps, it does have some very high quality and memorable maps like the airport, basketball arena and gym etc. New weapons and the alt fires are fun too. I'd say it's worth playing. Better than Duke!Zone 2 and Nuclear Winter for sure. Extreme was made by same guys who went to create Duke It Out In DC and Caribbean after making this.
>>12012321Ah, I fucked up the link, but just scroll up to the first post of that thread.
>>12012312Never played this mod, but I was able to run using this instructions and anniversary edition of dukehttps://wiki.eduke32.com/wiki/Installation_Guide_for_Official_Add-ons#Duke_Xtreme
>>12012341that also works >>12012321 it's even more convenient
>>12012321>>12012341actually just found this patched grp info edition. im on the first level and i just got killed by a giant yellow snake and a gorilla lmao. do you have something similiar for duke zone 2? while i can get it running. it would be nice to have to the episodes listed like this
>>12012349If you put DukeZone2 folder to your eduke folder and select the folder from the startup, you will see it's 3 episodes in the episode selection.
>>12012358yeah itll let me play it but it still lists all three episodes just as the original duke levels. names and stuff but it plays all correct
>>12012360Weird. It shouldn't do that.
Thoughts on the Doomed Index? Does it encourage people to make overtuned RNGfests to get their maps on there?
Any thoughts on what else to add to this arena?It needs something more, but I'm not sure what.
>>12012430pillars or something to add line of sight breaks so you can weave in and out of cover, idk I'm not a level designer I'm just here lurking
>>12011986Open up the sides, make it shaped less a cube indent into the wall, and more an alcove where he can shoot to the sides. Or make it a pillar sitting on the outside of the wall.
>>12012447I used a lot of pillars already, not saying that’s bad, just making a statement. In another room I had pillars that lowered to reveal revenants, think the player would get tired of the same trick twice?I also had a room with pillars with specters hiding behind them.
>>12012001>>12012017>>12012025>>12012472Thanks! I ended up ditching the revenant in the starting area for a dormant mancubus standing at the top of the temple steps. I think it works better for what I want.
>>12007072Practicing this map, it actually wasn't too harsh, even on UVFast, so I'll try for a demo then. BRB, gonna grab another cola.
>>12007072That was fun! This level was a LOT less harsh on fast than MAP04.https://files.catbox.moe/2iqplc.lmpForgot what time I got and I didn't take any screenshots, but I definitely didn't beat any of your times, I'm very methodical in my approach.I think maybe I died three or four times practicing? I guess I'll do some lifts for that.I like this level of challenge, a short and fun map with some bite, but not so much bite that it feels like a chore to single segment. I never felt like "I don't know how to approach this!" it was always "I know exactly what to do, I've just gotta do it!"
>>12012374There are some kinda odd levels in duke zone. Some really good ones and really bad ones. Especially the first level of the second episode is pretty terrible but the roof top level of the prior episode is great
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>>12012602I like the one with the whorehouse.
don't these mappers feel shame when copypasting a fight they've done 100s of times to pad out their map?
>>12012715Are you going around scrounging for other people's screenshots to complain more about maps you don't actually play?
>>12012430looks like a room you'd find in zelda or ys, makes me think of fliers, maybe cacos or loose lost souls over the key and other parts of the moat but not too many what with the pain elemental. If the player doesn't have a rocket launcher the mancs should be fine on their own as a challenge on the ground, maybe a hell knight or two as infight bait
>>12012715noclipped to the final room for the "epic" final fight
>>12012782I'm glad I'm not the only who thought of those games from the thumbnail alone.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DNt3ZaS6zQ
>>12012784the next map you get to shotgun 100 imps to some of the heaviest metal metal music ever made, y'know because brevity is for losers
>>12012784>>12012805>i play with cheats>heavy metal badDude, could you be anymore gay?
>>12012805Also>gzdoom>no level stats on screenNoob.
>>12012784where's archie?
doom sucks
>>12012858Kinda like your mom last night. Ha ha ha ha!
>>12012849>gayHe plays the thing with pink reds and dull uninspiring visuals, moreso drudging gameplay meant for sexually confused trogloditesHe already passed the boundary of no redemption
>>12012854>stats on screenWhat a faggot
>>12012856once you kill the skeletons 20 archviles get released into the room before you exit
>>12012925Noob. Console gamer too, am I right? Learn to use source ports instead of being such a filthy casual tourist.
>>12012890Nothing wrong with Simulacrum itself. It's not even that hard unless you are shit player. The difficulty equals Sunlust. It's not on the Abandon levels.
>>12012931Idk what you're saying, schizo
>>12012890Also>simulacrum>dull uninspiring visualsThis is couldn't be further from truth. That's a dull looking map sure, but Muumi's maps especially look quite cool.
>>12012937Yea, I know. Your kind is the reason why gatekeeping is a good practice.
>>12010925This is just what all popular wads looks like now. Its almost algorithmic at this point. At some stage a new trend for map design will appear and the same thing will happen.
>>12013052Gatekeeping is also determined collectively by the group, largely, and I'm not seeing a reason to exclude him. I can tease him for wasting time playing through large levels of a genre he doesn't even like, and being a bitch about it, but keeping level stats on screen is in fact a cheat in itself. You can argue you weren't ever supposed to play Doom in ways you can with GzDoom, but the iD guys certainly never expected you to have a live counter telling you exactly how many monsters and secrets a level has.Fag.
>>12013034noice
>>12013074>wads that have new unique texture set are more popularNo shit, Sherlock.
>>12011229Except the enemy HP isn't bloated.You're meant to either use items or to push all enemies toghether with weaker attacks and blow them up with timebombs, tomed weapons, pods or whatever.People are acting like Heretic is a Doom reskin but are annoyed it doesn't play like Doom, without realizing that it not playing like Doom means Heretic isn't actually a reskin.
>>12013130Forgot to add, but you people would absolutely hate Marathon on Total Carnage, despite it being arguably closer in movement and gunplay to Heretic than Doom is.Same with Hexen, where people bitch about enemies being tanky or tedious, but ignore that nothing in Hexen is as "annoying" as Halo enemies.It's almost as if they are different games using the same engine, going for different stuff instead of just a Doom rethread.
>>12013116Here's how to tell if a map is actually good: replace all custom textures and music with vanilla ones.If you enjoy the level and encounter design with D_RUNNIN and basic techbase it means it's good.
>>12010095Ice episode is pure cancer, it was so bad I dropped the game there. Later I picked it up again, struggled through it, and then it got so much better it's not even funny, especially the expansion hubs. But Shadow Wood is absolute irredeemable shit.
>>12013153Not only is he talking about a different game, but the level you're talking about takes like 5 minutes to beat
>>12011792>I have barely touched Heretic ever, but it does give you a bunch of powerups and items to put to use, does it not?Usually, yeah. It can be easy to fall into hoarding trap despite knowing about "you can only carry 1 of each item between levels" thing, but there're more available or hidden on each map for a reason.That's actually something I felt Faith Renewed lacked. It's not like there was a substantial lack of items in its maps, but there was certainly more focus on overloading players with ammo. Maybe it's more organic with Modifiers on though, I don't know.>Heretic is supposed to give you Tomes Of PowerNot just the Tome. Time Bomb is actually quite nice for when you drop them when running through a crowd of enemies.>and I wonder if anon has been putting those to use at all?We can't know for sure unless he replies. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't use enough of them due to aforementioned hoarding issue.>>12012232Come out of closet, anon. Don't hate yourself for being trans.>>12013130>>12013134Not only Heretic doesn't play like Doom, but Hexen doesn't really play like Heretic either. I actually don't like how Nightdive/id had them bundled in one package for a re-release because it does a disservice in presentation to each game included.It's very ironic how this also led to an issue in Hexen where enemies have infinite height attack reach... At this point, they're not patching shit I guess.
>>12013154I got the name wrong, by I was still talking about Heretic which has awful episode 2 with ice levels being especially awful. And then it gets better with each next episode.
I FUCKING LOVE SURPRISE REVENANTS
>>12013370Nothing but the best from the Casali brothers!
>>12007670He got a better deal than Kane, and I dunno why they call him Bitterman though he looks chill
>>12013373>>surprise revenants with extra viles, please and thanks>>12013379>He got a better deal than Kane, and I dunno why they call him Bitterman though he looks chillThe parasite lobotomy left nothing but happy thoughts.
>narrow hallway leading to an open arena with mancubi at the far end>a central column provides limited cover>a secret door opens behind the player revealing a revenant, forcing them forward>later, the central column lowers to reveal an archvileIs this considered a dick move?It’s possible to get a plasma gun before this room and enough ammo to clear it if you explore.
>>12013393Mildly but it's also giving the player a kick up the ass to not sit there plinking from behind cover.
more like arachnotroon lol
>>12007453based
>>12013246How the fuck did you think the underwater castle is called Shadow Wood.And I know of noone that thinks E4 & E5 are better than E2.Ice is such a non issue in Heretic lmao
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>>12013553>And I know of nooneE4 and E5 better than E2. There, I said it. I dropped Heretic because of E2, that's how bad it was, any Heretic episode is better than E2.I need to replay it again to confirm my initial impression, but from what I recall it was like this:1 ≈ 5 ≈ 6 > 4 >> 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2
>>12013601Oh yeah, and there was no episode 6 outside of the bonus maps. I really need to replay it.
now with that house is finished I started building the barn or whats it called. From this angle you might figure out what I'm turning into a map
>>12013652Give a clue.
>>12013712You'll get it later. Don't want to just throw it away before finishing the most important thing
>>12013594Exquisite.
I haven't played Quake, Doom nor Duke in 3 years now and want to start again. I was reminded of this place and the good memories with you wonderful anons. Can I ask for new mapset recommendations? I'm a sucker for 90s and 2000s-like wads
>>12013865>90s and 2000s-like wadsAnon, I...Monti?
>>12013865Ritual, Seismic Ventures and DOPA are alright, but neither are as captivating as the four episodes and every other level set just straight up misses what Quake is about.
>>12013134Doom would only figure out SSG's necessity with the Plutonia Experiment: most of pistol start D1 and D2 are spent playing Punch-Out! with the bruiser brothers or shotgunning them. Heretic, on the other hand, was already balanced around having the crossbow as the workhouse weapon (and it turns into a meatgrinder with the ToP when you need it to!).
>>12013925Wait, should I not be forcing the player to use a shotgun instead?I always thought of the SSG as a treat weapon to be reserved.I don’t mind shotgunning cacos and hell knights, though barons can be a bit tedious.What’s the optimal SSG to shotgun ratio?
>>12013936If you're gonna have arenas composed of alot of mid-tier enemies like Cacodemons, Hell Knights, Mancubi, Arachnos and Archviles (basically everyone in Doom 2's enemy roster who has actually fun attack patterns), shotgunning them fucking sucks, yes.
>>12013865New recommendations for stuff which feels oldschool? Gee, not entirely sure there, I think D2TWID is one of the best .wads designed to feel like really oldschool stuff, but it's not exactly new anymore either.>>12013936>I always thought of the SSG as a treat weapon to be reserved.I would say that depends on what your goal is. There are good ways to do exactly that, but fighting a lot of tough enemies with the regular SG really is a grind and a chore.If you wanted to have a lot of shells around but also have the SSG remain a treat, then instead give the player a launcher with a limited supply of rockets which they'll use to take on stronk enemies, and then maybe hide the SSG in a secret, or they get it later in the level.
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>>12014000>If you wanted to have a lot of shells around but also have the SSG remain a treat, then instead give the player a launcher with a limited supply of rockets which they'll use to take on stronk enemies, and then maybe hide the SSG in a secret, or they get it later in the level.Works so long as it's being played by somebody who uses the other weapons, fucks up the ones who tunnel vision on the SSG but it's the only way those fuckers might eventually learn.
>>12013883>Ritual, a singleplayer episodeI recall in my time playing Quake mods that actual episodes are very rare and few. Most people just like making "map collections" that are disconnected from each other but all featured int the same file. Cool to see this for a change.
>>12014050They are still very rare and few. The prevalent formats are gargantuan single levels and speedmap compilations.
>>12014056I always found that to be gay and lame
>>12014000>I would say that depends on what your goal is. There are good ways to do exactly that, but fighting a lot of tough enemies with the regular SG really is a grind and a chore.It's still pretty grindy having to go through like five mancubi with the super, just much moreso with the regular shotgun.
>>12007062Does Highway Acceleroid Booster work with the latest GZDoom?I heard even High Noon Drifter stopped working.
>>12013883You're recommended me some actual peak hereIt's even got its own original music and trailerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCfRqpIObtw
>>12014103It got an update a year or two ago that fixed the crashing issues, pretty sure it works on 4.14.2 still.
>>12014073>It's still pretty grindy having to go through like five mancubi with the superSure, but you don't give the player ONLY the SSG for five fatasses, you just give him the SSG in addition to other stuff because you're about to haul out more tough monsters.
>>12007787Q3 Bitterman is from an alternate timelineGrunt is the canon Q2 Bitterman
>>12014330Tank Jr. is actually Bitterman's illegitimate son from banging some random iron maiden. Her husband never found out, so he got raised as a tank despite his tanklet stature.
>>12011860>>12011945This one is easier than the slaughtermap, imo. I didn't even manage to make a demo for it in time. Also, please post a flame every challenge. It made my day. >>12012553Thanks, fren. With (You)s like this expect more UV-Fast or Nightmare challenges. Before I read this I was actually gonna stop posting them since the past 3+ challenges have been the same three players exchanging demos. I think multiple-demos-submitted anon posted the ribbiks map, poop gif anon posted the slaughter map, and I posted the DBP map. I have some Halloween-themed ideas, if I manage to beat everyone to the punch and post first. >>12011869Nice, you managed to beat my time. I wanted to make a demo with zero time wasted trying to remember where to go next, but I also didn't want it to be too fast so as not to discourage competition
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>>12014352QUCK ARENA
>>12014461Hello friends!
>>12014372>With (You)s like this expect more UV-Fast or Nightmare challenges. O-ok, easy now, I can maybe do some short maps on fast sometimes, but speeding up Valiant's already zippy Pinkies is some pretty rude stuff, you know?>Before I read this I was actually gonna stop posting them since the past 3+ challenges have been the same three players exchanging demosWell, I'm personally a bit averse if they look TOO tough at a glance.
>put a plasma gun in an optional room>level becomes way too easyHow do I fix this?If you go to the optional area first, which has a difficult encounter required to clear it, it makes the key room too easy.I want to reward the player for exploring, but not trivialize the rest of the level. Do I just add more monsters, forcing the player to think about how the use ammo?Do I reduce the amount of cells?
i just wanna say duke 3d nuclear winter is the laziest fuckin thing ive ever played
>>12014527Make the player have to fight to win the plasma, among other things, and also make it so that grabbing the plasma means another fight becomes tougher later (maybe by opening an additional monster closet).Not so much that it just eats their entire use of the plasma, but enough that it doesn't automatically make everything easier.
>>12014547>It's not nice to shoot Santa!
