Don’t know never played it

Maybe if all you've played is console games.

For me it's Hide and Seek.

>>12011798
Ehhhhh... it's a solid game, but even when it was new, I wasn't fully impressed.

>>12011798
Yes. /thread

>>12011798
It's about as perfect as a video game can get.

Mario 64 is better.

>>12011803
To be fair Morrowind wouldn't release until 2002, before Morrowind pc gaming might as well not exists.

>>12011798
no
and Majora's Mask was better in every aspect

>>12011798
If not, what game deserves that spot?

No, but it is damn good. Probably the most replayable game I've ever played, especially now that randomizers exist.

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>>12011798
Yes.

>>12011803
I've been PC mustard for 20 years now.
OoT is still THE peak of the pinnacle.

>>12011838
You might enjoy the classic Resident Evil in that case. Even without the randomizer mods, there's crapton of replay value.

>>12011798
does any game really?
i'm fine with calling OoT the best of all time, because the games i prefer over OoT are require an acquired taste, and OoT is enjoyable to basically anyone.
it's a common denominator game, but that doesn't mean it's automatically bad.

yeah.

>>12011798
Nah, it lacks the immediacy, challenge, and multiplayer functionality that truly great games possess.

>>12011798
>single player game
No.

>>12011883
>multiplayer functionality that truly great games possess
It sucks that the greatest games are only temporary since servers shut down and/or playerbases move on

>>12011798
No it doesn't. Nintendo fags are insufferable people and hopefully all of them will self-remove from the gene pool.

>>12011805
Such a thrill..

>>12011798
In 1998? Yea.

>>12011798
No lmfao.

>>12011798
only a playstation game can be called the best game of all time

>>12011979
Such as?

>>12011983
Final Fantasy 7

>>12011990
That's a PC game

>>12011798
Is (Game that was incredibly solid at the time and somewhat good now despite later games evolving the formula like it did) overrated? Bold red letters on black background Youtube thumbnail!
Next we've gotta talk about how Super Metroid is overrated because other games exist and I don't like people comparing it to game I like.

Or I guess we could discuss a game like adults without having to make these stupid bold statements.

>>12012023
>later games evolving the formula
Except that never happened.

never liked it. i only play the original zelda and lttp once in a while

Here is my biased list of best games of all time:
>tetris
>super mario brothers
>fallout 2
>crash bandicoot
>jersey devil
>donkey kong 64
>conkers bad fur day
>ratchet and clank
>super smash brothers melee
>the legend of zelda: the wind waker
>postal 2
>grand theft auto: vice city
>okami
>STALKER
>call of duty: black ops
>stardew valley
>terraria
nothing else, don't @ me

>>12011798
Yes, although fuck the Switch port.
There can never be a Zelda as good as OOT but LTTP comes damned close.
>Twilight Princess: trash
>Skyward Sword: trash with motion controls
>BOTW: So we ripped off Genshin Impact and put Zelda in it
>Majora's Mask: OOT if you had to piss every three game days
>Tears of teh Kingdom: Its BOTW 2 electric boogaloo what more do you want. And Lost Woods Great Deku still lags the console to shit.

>>12012047
Oh I forgot the original animal crossing and timesplitters 2

It was a good game, but in the end for N64 owners they were still talking and passing around Goldeneye at the time.

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Yes.

>>12012063
Can you try that again in English

I liked Zelda II better

>>12011798
no. not even a little bit. theres nothing wrong with liking it or having it be your favorite game, but "best game ever made" is pants on head retarded. the people that cant differentiate those meanings are insufferable.

>>12012040
ocarina of time is extremely primitive in the 3d medium, and every single aspect of the game has been improved upon by other/later games.

>>12012218
So what game is?

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>>12011798
not in a world where doom exists.
only console babies think zelda is any better.

>>12011818
No. It’s not 2006 anymore, stop worshipping Nintendo

>>12012227
Final fantasy xi is

>>12012227
honestly its a retarded concept due to how many variables and subjective elements there are. however, a strong argument can actually be made for tetris (i dont care which version. not important to me). by being so simple, it attains a certain elegance and focus. its skill based. its an actual game. technological advancement does extremely little to illustrate shortcomings or create opportunities for improvement. meanwhile, graphics (and their progression) alone play a huge part in the quality of so many other types of games. yes, theres something to be said for art style, but anything on the n64 is easily laughed out of the discussion. graphics dont really affect tetris much. with 3d especially, the physical environment plays a huge role. appearance, intractability, layout/design, population, objectives, and how the character navigates the space are a huge amount of variables. tetris doesnt have to deal with any of that. its clean and elegant in its simplicity and objectives.

due to the nature of the 3d medium and how the n64 is a very primitive foray into it, its absurd to consider anything in its catalogue as any sort of contender for "best game ever made". again, by all means consider one your favorite, but "best ever made" is laughably wrong. every single aspect of those games has been improved upon. the more complex the environments/simulations, player functions, and objectives are, the more room there is for flaw and failure, as well as argument as to whether X aspect is truly "better" than something else. as such, while something like gta6 might be more technologically impressive than tetris, i would still consider tetris the "better game" due to checking so many success boxes and avoiding so many failure boxes.

its a generally stupid concept, but there are still certain games that EASY to recognize as laughably not even close to consideration (anything on the n64).

>>12012281
>tetris
yeah what about postal 2? Also I forgot about katamari damacy. That might really be the king.

>>12012281
There is Tetris on the N64. You just hate N64

>>12011798
it was outdone by it's own sequel

>>12012227
Not retro, but it’s Sekiro.

>>12012285
honestly, i dont know anything about postal 2. but katamari is a great example of quality. however, with its complexity, there is arguments for flaws and potentially room for actual improvement. i still love it though, and it definitely deserves a mention in the conversation. its something that can ACTUALLY be considered.
>>12012294
again, im not really interested in arguing about different versions of tetris and their subtle nuances/differences. i dont even know what tetris on the n64 is like, but im confident that being on the n64 does nothing to actually make any sort of meaningful improvement. additionally, tetris is on later systems (and pc) as well, so any improvements that may have been made for the n64, i am confident would have been surpassed since then. your pedantic nonsense stands meaningless.
>You just hate N64
i love a lot of games on the n64, and have put 100s of hours into it, lol. im just not retarded enough to genuinely consider anything made on it to be "best of all time".

>>12011798
That title is meant for Majora's Mask.

Step aside nig nog.

>>12011835
Amen

>>12012047
Bro, what about Minecraft? Genuinely curious since you already mentioned two of the Holy Trinity (Stardew and Terraria)

>>12012354
never played it. It looks hideous and uninteresting. I have negative interest

>>12011803
and only Nintendo console games. Metal Gear Solid was the same year.

>>12011798
It isn't even the best game of 1998, and "all time" includes the future, which some argue has not happened yet :O

>>12012139
>It was a good game,
It being The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. Also stating that OoT is a good game.
>but in the end for N64 owners they were still talking and passing around Goldeneye at the time
While OoT was a good game, most N64 console owners still defaulted to playing Goldeneye and talking about Goldeneye when they wanted to "justify" owning a N64. Just like how PS1 owners would "justify" owning a PS1 with frequently bringing up Final Fantasy VII and its strong points.

>>12012369
Goldeneye was a piece of shit until it got popular on youtube and with speedrunners

>>12012373
False.

>>12012373
I liked it as a child before my house even had internet installed.

>>12012373
>>12012376
perfect dark was way better
>>12012369
> Just like how PS1 owners would "justify" owning a PS1 with frequently bringing up Final Fantasy VII and its strong points.
you are underage and severely autistic

>>12012281
funny enough i almost posted tetris myself.
people played tetris that didn't even like games previously, it was groundbreaking.

>>12012373
It was very popular at release. Every kid with an N64 had it. For many, it was their first experience of a video game with more than two players, and even their first FPS

>>12012373
It's literally the third best selling N64 game.
>>12012397
>you are underage and severely autistic
Then you weren't a kid during 5th gen. Tons of lunch time talk about the PS1 and N64 consoles. Maybe it is when the generation happened in your life. I don't recollect anyone talking about SNES vs Genesis like they did with PS1 vs N64. Nor did 6th generation conversations get heated up.

>>12012428
I got a PS1 when I was 6 in 1997. Final Fantasy was always niche even at it's high point. The PS1 was famous for tekken, spyro and crash bandicoot, the ps2 was famous for having a gorillion video games. You are a weird underage autistic liar.

>>12011798
>best game of all time
That would probably be StarCraft or Timesplitters 2, but it's up there.

>>12012306
>generic dark souls clone
Lol no

>>12012435
That's when you were six. Multiple of my friends had PS1's and they did play FFVII. FFVII wasn't niche, you were just part of a niche group that were unaware of it. It's as if I said Shinobi was niche because I never heard of it when I had a Genesis and was younger.

>>12012449
sales figures say this girl is correct. I overlooked that game because I hadn't played the previous Final Fantasies and I didn't know they start over every time

>>12012449
you are autistic and spend your life reading wikipedia articles about video game consoles that game out more than a decade before you were born. It's incredibly obvious to everyone but you.
>>12012468
stop samefagging, and don't bother posting some screenshot that proves you own a phone and a computer.

>>12012475
You're slinging around the word autistic but are completely incapable of comprehending that things can be different based upon when what age it occurs to you in life. You think life is fixed to your perspective and that alone. If you aren't autistic then it is sad that you are the age you are right now and it has never dawned upon you.

>>12012475
"""Final""" Fantasy 7 was popular, just not among babies. I saw ads for it but didn't play it because I was a baby enjoying baby games :D

>>12012490
I played final fantasy 7 and 8, they weren't popular. you are a teenager.

>>12012489
That's nice but I'm right and you're wrong. The vast majority of people who owned a playstation 1 didn't ever play any final fantasy game. You're trying to act like you have some kind of knowing perspective but it's actually just myopic nerd perspective either colored by your background of being in your mid 30s and on 4chan or more likely being a complete loser who is way too young to justifiably be using 4chan.

>>12012496
The vast majority of PS1 owners also didn't play Crash Bandicoot

>>12012506
yeah it's almost like the ps1 and ps2 were groundbreaking because it wasn't nintendo pumping out mario games or the modern era where every platform has about 5 games. Maybe if you read more wikipedia articles and forum posts from before you were born your life won't suck.

>>12012515
Why are you bragging about being old at the kids table lol xD

I'm 36 though :O

>>12012397
>perfect dark was way better
No argument there, but Goldeney was a beloved classic right from the get-go.

>>12011798
It's head and shoulders above the competition
All the stuff posted ITT is like 8/10
OoT isn't perfect but its a 9/10
It just has that certain something, like its a lost book of the Bible or something

>>12012587
write as many whimsical love letters to it as you want, its not going to fuck you, anon.

>>12011883
>immediacy, challenge, and multiplayer functionality
Based on what the recomp devs are saying, all of those problems are very much solvable and will be solved. In the end there will be no way where the game or some variation of it is not the GOAT.

>>12012223
The exact the reverse is true. OoT remains the most genuinely sophisticated game of its type and future iterations actually simplify so much of what it does. To this day there are zero real "OoT clones", because nothing else even tries to recreate anything like its actual structure. Calling OoT of all things 'primitive' is genuinely insane.

>>12011825
This, OoT is not even the best game on its original platform.

>>12011836
>>12011861
>>12012227
Like already mentioned, it's Tetris. Design-wise it did exactly what it set out to do perfectly on the first try. Enjoyed by gamers and non-gamers alike. The graphics never age, even the original version has its charm. Still being ported, copied and iterated on to this day. Even has e-sports style competition for those who like that sort of thing. I can't find a single fault other than it being a boring, safe answer to this question.

>>12011798
Even oot couldn’t save the n64

>>12012731
Nintendo didn't lose money with the n64

>>12011836
No one game can hold the title, but oot is so mid in every single way that it's barely in the top 100. Every other Zelda title, even the terrible ones, is more interesting or just better.

>>12011861
If that's how we're playing this, then Skyrim is the greatest game of all time, that or GTA V.

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>>12012373
Everyone loved Goldeneye in the 90s, fuck off with your zoomer revisionism.

>>12012812
This, even into the early 2000s. Whats up with so much (((zoomer))) revisionism lately? The zog-zoomer-mossad connection? Like wtf

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>>12012493
>FF7 and FF8 weren't popular
Gee, let's check the sales figures of the top three selling ps1 games
>#1: Gran Turismo, 10,850,000 copies sold
>#2: FF7, 10,232, 228 copies sold
>#3: FF8, 9,600,000 copies sold
You chose not just one, but two out of the top three most popular games in the history of the console and are arguing they weren't popular? When anyone can check your claim against the numbers and see you are full of shit with just a few clicks of a mouse? Why? Why would you go on the internet and tell easily falsified lies? Does this please you sexually?
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_PlayStation_video_games

>>12012696
>you can only compare oot with other zelda games, and its still my favorite because im sour about the primary gimmicks in the other games
>also the individual aspects of game composition and design dont matter. oot is the best, and nothing else is like it, which PROVES its the best.
>why do other games need to copy oot's game objectives/style?
>b-because they just DO, ok?
this is why its impossible to have actual, rational discussion with zealots like you.

>>12012972
The individual aspects of game composition and design obviously DO matter, and OoT is the best for being great at them. You can compare it to anything you want, IDGAF.

>why do other games need to copy oot's game objectives/style?
I never said they 'had to'. It's just that OoT IS uniquely great in all kinds of sophisticated ways that genuinely have not been replicated by anything, so it's silly to call it primitive. I will not just let you ignore how impeccable designed the game's structure is, which you have to be ignoring in order to claim it to be simple.

OoT and MM are the greatest duo of All Time.

>>12012982
im not claiming it to be a simple game, i called it primitive. its execution is primitive in the 3d medium. the one being willfully ignorant is you. "uniquely great" is laughable fellatio. oot isnt really great at much of anything when you can see other games do its things better. better aiming, better first person, better camera, better animations, better sound clarity/design (fuck those horns sounding like a fart in a kazoo), better graphics, more dense/meaningful areas, better enemy ai, better enemy threat/challenge, better combat in general, better MENUS and text boxes, lol. and thats not an exhaustive list either.
>inb4 "not giving any specific titles"
because i dont have to. you have to be willfully ignorant or dont play any games to not understand and recognize the truth of that. and again, by all means hold it close to your heart and love it as your favorite game. admitting that other games do things better doesnt undo that. oot isnt going to get mad or sad at you for that. and just because they do things better OBJECTIVELY but dont somehow capture the same "magic" that oot did for you, doesnt mean that they arent better. oot is primitive. its early 3d and it SHOWS. every single mechanic, every single thing, has been improved upon since then. graphics, collisions, projectiles, lock on, melee, ai/behavior, text, interactables, terrain, models, movement, EVERYTHING. it doesnt matter how much you love it. nobody is taking that away.

>>12012812
I didn't know a single person that even knew about it, it only got popular due to speedrunners

OoT is definitely one of the greatest games of all time

>>12012756
You say that like they didn't make any money.

>>12013445
Most of the money that Nintendo made in the N64 era came from Pokemon's explosive success.

>>12013007
>every single thing, has been improved upon since then
Meh. NTA, but that's not really anything to be so proud of because you always run into monkey's paw shit. Oh, you wanted better everything? Well now the sum of it is shit. Not only that, but "better" almost always becomes "different". I would have to agree with the previous anon. OoT is sophisticated. All of its simplicity is working for it in ways that other games with "improvement" could only dream of.

>>12013450
You people are hilarious.

>>12012373
>zoomoid opinion
you were never there.

>>12013450
fantasy.

>>12011835
mm felt really short on dungeons given how easy marsh temple and arguably snow temple were. Water temple wasn't exactly difficult but the current system made you waste a lot of time.

>>12012363
>Metal Gear Solid
>stare at the tiny radar so the enemies won't spot you from off-screen
Horrible as an actual game.

>>12012373
>8 million copies
>third best selling n64 game
>muh youtube
you weren't born. many such case

Yeah

>>12012493
you are out of your fucking mind lmao, FF7 was a fucking phenomena, sephiroth became the most iconic video game villain for years

>>12011798
Do you really deserve to be called a woman?

>>12013217
it was pretty massive. people used to use it as bragging rights like "oh yeah? lets play goldeneye about it, i'll fucking smoke you" hell, even in college in 2006, more people were bringing their gamecube for smash bros melee and double dash, or xbox for halo, but some people still brought their n64 and people would go "ohhhhh shit! goldeneye? ha ha, im a little rusty, but man this takes me back! lets do this!"

in fact, you do still occasionally find people stuck on that nostalgia (kind of like ootfags) and think it was one of the greatest fps ever made, despite it obviously not being one.

>>12013731
I wish Turok didn't die, I think it was more fun as a shooter than GoldenEye.

>>12013461
>Oh, you wanted better everything? Well now the sum of it is shit. Not only that, but "better" almost always becomes "different"
this is the problem with comparing any 2 games. different doesnt necessarily mean better OR worse. but the bigger problem with comparing things with oot, is that you're fighting zealots with their preconceived biases, so its like a double sized hurdle. its basically impossible to have honest conversation about things because of that.

as far the zelda franchise goes, personally, yes i do like that oot is generally lacking a core gimmick that dramatically changes the focus. i like that it feels more "plain" and "simple". future games have sailing shit, wolf shit, and waggle shit. theres always some majorly defining gimmick that nobody asked for to get in the way. oot's gimmick is literally "zelda but in 3d now" and arguably also the child/adult time travel. everyone has been waiting for "zelda but in 3d now, but BETTER", but instead we get gimmicks. people are so stuck on not liking those gimmicks, that they refuse to be honest with themselves and recognize all of the other improvements. and thats JUST within the zelda franchise.

trying to compare a simple aspect of it to some unrelated game, you always get people then trying to list off all of the flaws about THAT game, instead of simply recognizing that oot is fucking dated. also, because they dont feel that deep emotional/subjective connection, they simply refuse to believe that such other game can even be "good" on its own right.

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>>12011798
If the standard we're using is for it to be a "game", then OoT is mediocre, at best. Truth is, this thing is anti Zelda and anti gaming in the way it is designed (which became the overall direction for sequels, leading to further quality drop with each iteration).

It's an amazing game if you're a faggot ass retarded small dick bitch

Ocarina of Time is proof that gamers will put up with mediocre gameplay as long as the music and waifus are good.

>>12013887
OoT doesnt have the best waifus tho

>>12013894
Name a better waifu selection

>>12013887
Was it mediocre at the time? What else was out there, Heretic 2?

>>12013887
Sounds more like FF7

>>12013913
It was mediocre because it was flat out too easy. Every enemy drops hearts abundantly, half of the shops inventory is worthless because you can just step outside and chop a patch of grass and get stocked up, rupees are only good for buying beans and half of them don't even do shit except fly adult Link around so you can gawk at the absolute nothing to look at.
There should have been a hard mode, this game needed Master Quest from the start, but Nintendo just made a shallow game that's as wide as an ocean because they feared their 3d engine would be like trying to do rocket surgery. It's an utterly kneecapped game with so much potential.

>>12013913
BoW

>>12013939
But wasn't most of this the case with nearly every Zelda prior? Zelda wasn't always known for filtering unless 2 is your frame of reference.

All Zeldas are mid at best

>>12013939
>It's an utterly kneecapped game with so much potential.

At this point can get modded builds of the game that do all that stuff you're complaining about it fucking up.

>>12013996
I do enjoy Ship of Harkinian, but in the context of what OoT has been missing, it's been missing depth for decades

>>12014003
And now it's getting that depth. Especially with the recomp coming around the corner. If you can accept that Doom is good because of its mods and ports, you can do the same for OoT even if the base game of OoT is much higher quality than Doom in the first place anyway

>>12014010
judging things based on mods is retarded.

also, if modders are SOOOO good at fixing things and making them right, why dont they just make a new game from the ground up, but perfect instead? no, they have to let big corpos do 90% of the work, and then just steal it, and then claim "see? its actually a good game". take that mental gymnastics routine to the olympics.

>>12014027
dude take your sour grapes elsewhere, you will never be a modder

>>12014027
>why dont they just make a new game from the ground up, but perfect instead?
Because people rightly have the judgement to recognize that no dev, even the original designers, have successfully created anything else as refined as OoT, and effort would be better spent polishing that to perfection than attempting something from the ground up that will almost certainly fail to capture what the whole industry has been unable to replicate for the same number of decades that the game has been 'missing depth'.

I actually like it even more as an adult than as a kid.
Its just so comfy with so much iconic art/music and everything that needs to exist exists without much slack.
When i was a kid i got blinded by majora being more interesting but thats such an on the surface way of looking at things

>>12014047
I very much agree that OoT is the more well put together game with more subtle clever composition of elements. MM is like a hastily made concept demo full of brilliant ideas and things designed to be impressive, but it's obvious that OoT has so much more effort to into making it all feel effortless.

>>12014054
MM was wayyy better, wtf are you smoking. OoT was the hasty tech demo of a million loose ends and pointless NPC chatter.

>>12014059
4 dungeons

>>12014059
That doesn’t even make sense.
Mm time gimmick doesn’t even exist outside of the npc chatter in hub area. I want to really like majoras but its just lame having only 4 dungeons, and the gimmick of the game being worthless.
They didn’t even have that much faith in it adding the one song that extends the timer from like 40 mins a cycle to like something absurd like 3 hours.
Most of the side quests are just lame reset the time and play the one song to fast forward to the time you need repeat

>>12014067
And two of them are bad, your iq is determined by knowing which ones
C tier oot dungeons is about where mm 4 dungeons peak.

>>12014067
MM had sidequests before every dungeon, OoT had nothing

>>12014075
Oot had entire far more engaging mini dungeons outside of the dungeons and a few sidequests/minigames
Mm had mandatory run back and forth to unlock the song that lets you play the dungeon

>>12014070
>Most of the side quests are just lame reset the time and play the one song to fast forward to the time you need repeat
This is a much more serious criticism tha na lot of MM fans will admit. There's all kinds of clever complexity and interrelated aspects to the quests, but they ultimately boil to repeating shit and waiting around somewhere you're told to. They could have been so much more than this, but the game it held back by how it actually works.

>>12014045
>as refined as OoT
lmao
>certainly fail to capture what the whole industry has been unable to replicate
and that right there is the crux of it!
you clowns are SO utterly BLINDED by oot that nothing will ever come close, no matter what. even if those "passionate modders" truly built something from the ground up, YOU would reject it. why? "because it simply isnt oot". you're unwilling and unable to even comprehend something else being "that good" or affecting you in the same way. you're already written it out and blocked it off. literally fingers in ears, eyes closed "LA LA LA LA LA!!!!". nothing will ever be good enough, because you've built the imaginary pedestal so high. you've already decided BEFORE something even gets made, that it will never be good enough. thats why the only thing that could even POSSIBLY work for you is a mod for oot. because if its just oot but different, then its still oot at its core. this blind zealotry is just absurd.

>>12014082
Oh, it's this fag again

>>12014085
oh look, its people sucking off oot and willfully ignorant to its flaws or the rest of gaming as a whole.

I didn’t know the song that slows down time for years. Don’t know how i didn’t, guess i just didn’t ever talk to the scarecrow.
I was really out here barely making it to the item of the dungeon resetting time and trying to do it all in 1 cycle only ever barely both times memorizing more and more until i can get the clear with so much adrenaline
Then i found out they had a song the entire time that gives you practically infibte time and it ruins the entire point of the game.
Why
If you ever used this song, why do you even like this game?

>>12014091
What flaw. you guys just say oot is not the best and blank when asked to name the best game ever then, or even to come up with objective flaws
Worse you can say about oot is a few things about it are just okay like sure i guess their could have been 1-2 more tough enemy types for the late game
Um the story isn’t the most interesting thing possible but even than it works perfectly well for whst the game was going for

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>>12013913
>What else was out there
Any Zelda game before it, especially Link's Awakening considering it's a damn Game Boy game
>>12014067
Quality > quantity

>>12014105
So more of the same, WITHOUT the novelties that 64 bits brought?

>>12014082
>because it simply isnt oot". you're unwilling and unable to even comprehend something else being "that good"
You're completely getting it backwards. I'd happily accept something that was "as good as OoT" if that were to be made, but whenever I see people respond to people who just authentically adore the game, they typically just respond with disbelief that someone could like a game that much. This basically indicates that they don't appreciate anything else that richly, or at least don't understand how people experience that much depth from this particular game.

Like, honestly, a proper recreation of Beyond Good and Evil that implemented interplanetary travel to more worlds and fully fleshed out and extended the game as was originally intended could absolutely be on OoT's level, but that's never going to realistically be made at this point. But as disappointing as it is, I'm fine that we at least have something as good as OoT to 'settle' with.

MM likewise had what it might have taken to match or even surpass OoT, you can see the same talent working there, but it really suffers so much from being rushed and hacked together from leftover OoT pieces that I didn't reach the proper potential that was there.

OoT is simply the closest thing to an actual peak of gaming we have, and its flaws are just so much more fixable than the flaws of everything competing with it, it would basically be silly to not try seriously modding it to take advantage of that.

>>12014097
and without fail, you clowns always default to "um, no, it doesnt have any flaws or shortcomings, and hasnt aged at all" (despite them being discussed earlier in the thread) because you're incapable of even conceiving it, when other people find it incredibly obvious. and then absolute cherry on top "you dont name a replacement best game", which is the dumbest bait into a fake argument ever. why? because then it devolves into "but that game doesnt have x, y, and z like oot has! what a joke!" because you dipshits want to compare the two in a head to head vs match, with the judgement being solely "which game do i like more? spoiler: its oot, lol". you clowns are literally incapable of even comparing singular aspects like "camera" or "menus" or "combat", and WITHOUT FAIL, come up with some sort of evasive cope with how its either not a flaw/worse, or "its fine because" dumb shit like "its a kids game" or "but it does all of these other things so well, so it makes up for it", but then doing the same thing with those other aspects.

again, nobody is saying that you cant like the game. nobody is saying that it cant be your FAVORITE game. nobody is saying that you can enjoy it or have fun with it.

gaming has progressed. every aspect of oot has been improved upon. it is a primitive relic in 3d gaming. "good at the time" is meaningless, just like how the musket or ford model T was "good at the time".

>>12014108
>disbelief that someone could like a game that much
i never said that you cant like the game or that it cant be your favorite game. "best game ever made" is not a question of "what game do you like the most? whats your favorite game?". and on top of that, fan mods do not compensate for flaws or shortcomings, and do not in any way elevate a game's consideration.

>>12013749
ahh, the oot zealot fag rears his ugly head. i knew you were behind this thread. probably jacking off to all the oot praise as we speak.

>>12014108
>OoT is simply the closest thing to an actual peak of gaming we have
Rubbish. And you only need to use the Zelda franchise to see it, the first game, the NES, utterly schoole OoT at what being peak gaming actually means. OoT is peak anti gaming, you're not playing the game, you're performing the way the devs want you whenever and however they want you to. The devs are training you to respond like a goddamn dog.

>>12011798
Yes.
It changed the game. Mario 64 showed the road, but ZELDA OOT drove that mother fucker

>>12012281
>This is your brain on being born in the 2000s
God weeps

>no i don’t want to name a better game because i can’t
>so uh older zelda is actually better
>proof being im retarded
Such a stupid conversation, its the same shit. Oot just did the formula the best
You have to be stupid for me to believe you actually like links awaking a lot but despise oot

>>12014108
>OoT is simply the closest thing to an actual peak of gaming we have
utter delusion. on top of that, the way you skew the entire premise is almost like promoting the geocentric view of the universe. it HAS to fit the geocentric model, and you reject anything that indicates otherwise. thats how pigheaded your statements are. you've made up your mind before any discussion or proof has taken place. theres no convincing you, and facts dont matter. its so sad and pathetic that you cant even reconcile "my favorite game" with "other things are made better".

Checkmate OoT schizo
https://www.metacritic.com/browse/game/

>>12014159
>journos
ah yes, so trustworthy
>fans and cattle
liking a game is not a substitute for objective analysis of quality.
>reviews made at the time
irrelevant. "good at the time" is meaningless.

The Big 10
>OOT
>ALTTP
>Super Mario Bros
>Mario 64
>Age of Empires 2
>Rollercoaster Tycoon 2
>Soul Calibur
>Tetris
>Pacman
>vanilla World of Warcraft
These are the best games of all time objectively

>>12014123
>um, no, it doesnt have any flaws or shortcomings
Lol, who the fuck actually says that that isn't made up in your head? OoT absolutely has flaws, but they're just all either exaggerated by critics (Hyrule Field's 'emptiness' being a big problem) or otherwise very fixable (like enemies being passive and weak), even if completely valid.

>"but that game doesnt have x, y, and z like oot has! what a joke!"
You're not understanding the point. OoT beautifully balances a tons of different things at once in ways that greatly benefit it, few games try to and which is really hard to pull off, but if you can't acknowledge why that's impressive and games that say, don't have non-linear structure+real time action gameplay+key item progression that involves lots of different kinds of interactions, you're missing a lot of what people find impressive about the game and why this matters.

Even something like the combat is only bad because of the weak enemy AI, fix that and you have something honestly at least as good as any lauded action game, and it was the first game to do free movement along with Z-targeting. The other weaknesses are purely technical like the blurry low res textures.

>gaming has progressed. every aspect of oot has been improved upon
This is just delusional and you not understanding why the game remains so impressive, even with all the other actual advancements (including things like MM's more advanced NPC interaction, which is very significant).

No one in this thread believes in such a fairy tale as the "best game ever". This is all larping, which apparently is the real favorite game of you fags.

>>12014167
>who the fuck actually says that
you should try reading some other zelda threads then. it is rather common.
>few games try to
few games try to play the exact same way as zelda? true. but plenty of games are complex and balance a variety of things, you would have to be willfully ignorant to forget them.

>combat is only bad because of the weak enemy AI
ok, but here we go
>fix that
lol its not fixed. it will never be fixed. its a done deal. knowing that better exists doesnt substitute or overwrite the the FACT of how it DOES exist.
>and it was the first game to do
trying to apologize for it doesnt make it better or change anything. its not something to consider. its irrelevant.

>you not understanding
ok, lets take your list
>non-linear structure
other games have done this better and more expansively
>real time action gameplay
lmao other games have MASSIVELY surpassed oot in this.
>key item progression
lots of other games have this in a variety of ways.
>the game remains so impressive
it doesnt matter how deeply you love it, bro. other games have done it better.
>b-b-but they havent done them ALL AT THE SAME TIME! in the same way!
pretty irrelevant.

>>12014153
Nta, so what's the peak of gaming, then?

>>12014187
New Tetris on the N64

>>12014187
Emergency Call Ambulance

>>12014189
>>12014201

This is why everyone praises OoT.

>>12014187
im not arrogant or narcissistic enough to make such a claim, because there are too many variables and subjective scales. however, like i mentioned earlier, i understand how there is a strong argument for something like tetris. it checks a lot of successful boxes while avoiding a lot of failure boxes. there is a strong elegance in its simplicity and clarity, and technological improvements dont do much date it. even if they do, one could probably just select a newer version of tetris to nominate. and while i understand the arguments for it (and how they are SIGNIFICANTLY stronger than oot), im not about to simply accept it blindly either.

i wont put forth a title, because it is a stupid and futile endeavor, especially when discussing with the likes of you.

>>12014251
>im not arrogant or narcissistic enough to make such a claim
>i wont put forth a title
>especially when discussing with the likes of you
So you're too much of a pussy to put yourself out there. Got it. Looks like OoT reigns supreme.

>>12011798
Sure, nobody thinks Citizen Kane is actually the best movie of all time but it's pretty good and in a social species something is gonna be the Schelling point

>>12011798
Nothing does

>>12011798
I dread thinking about replaying it, so no.

>>12012049
>So we ripped off Genshin Impact and put Zelda in it
Anon...

>>12011798
No, it's the most overrated game of all time

>>12011798
It absolutely deserves it's spot in the pantheon but is it the best? Maybe. I'd say certain aspects are a bit too dated but that's just my opinion. It is without a shadow of a doubt the best Zelda game though. The peak before the descent as it were.

>>12011798
Modern games are copying Ocarina of Time to this very day

>>12012040
Okami

>>12013897
Persona 3

>>12014187
The Mario Kart series is probably the closest thing.

>>12014872
That's actually a pretty good answer. Mario Kart as a franchise probably casts the widest net when it comes to crossing all ages and demographics.

>>12014872
>>12015020
*Katamari

>>12014342
its not a personal matter. 1/10 bait. grow up.

>>12014595
galatians 4:16
they hated him for speaking the truth.

every single youtube video now about oot for like the last decade now has a section dedicated to calling the game not the best of all time.
they literally have zero complaints and never tell you what is then.
What is this meme?

>>12015072
>watches videos
>doesnt pay attention
>cant think for themself either
yikes

>>12015072
Must be the stages of grief. Some are still stuck in denial. Some have moved on to anger. It can be a slow process, but I think we can all get through it.

>>12015060
>its not a personal matter.
>1/10 bait.
>grow up.
Is this you projecting your own insecurities onto me? Sure looks like it. Looks like you're the one setting the 1/10 bait, too. Calling you out on being a pussy isn't making it "personal", chief.

People who love OoT love the game more than other people love their favorite games. It endures as a favorite because people get such a level of richness of experience out of it that easily surpasses any flavor of the month chart toppers. When it first came it it was singled out as something so uniquely amazing that people would still be in awe of it decades later.

>>12015465
>People who love OoT love the game more than other people love their favorite games
You do not know that and can't even verify such a claim.

>When it first came it it was singled out as something so uniquely amazing that people would still be in awe of it decades later

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOC3vixnj_0

>>12015921
>You do not know that and can't even verify such a claim.
Nta, and sure we can. It's called personal experience, or testimony.

>>12011835
This so much, the days things and npcs schedules should have been a thing that stayed through the series

>>12011798
yes but majora is better

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>>12011798
Yes. The fishing game knocks it out of the park.
And I can prove that it's the best game of all-time:
You are set to go into prison-for the rest of your life. You can choose ten other games from the 1970s or 1980s, or you can choose just 1998's Ocarina of Time.
If you have any brains at all, you'll pick OoT because even if you don't want to play the rest of the game, you can at least go fishing in one of video gamedom's best, if not the best, fishing game ever made.
And there's just a lot to see and hear and think about. You could just go into the market during child-Link's time and take in the ambiance. Or climb a mountain and look over the peaceful village. Whatever. So yes it does.

>>12016560
>you can choose between 10 shitty atari games or a first party Nintendo 64 super production
How fair

>>12016568
I thought my scenario was quite fair. If one dislikes OoT, they can play ten other games from either of those decades, or they can choose just OoT.
Where is the injustice? Those other games can be anything at all afterall.

*and the games can be arcade games or whatever console game from the 70s (ha) or 80s.

>>12016575
>>12016572
Why not include the 90's? OoT is a 90's game

>>12016581
I did, I even mentioned its year, 1998. The choice is you can pick ten games from either the 70s or 80s (you can mix them up, like some from 70s..) or just one game from the 90s, which is OoT.

>>12016280
Long story short, you're just full of shit.

>>12016560
10 games, no contest.
tetris never gets old, and i would definitely take donkey kong. if im allowed to game in prison, then i might as well get good enough at donkey kong to show billy faggot mitchell that he's a nobody. i would have to see the rest of the available list in order to make my other choices though. oot would get dull as fuck by the first or second playthrough. "immersion" autists deserve the rope.

>>12016560
I think OOT deserves 2nd best game of all time (behind Tetris) but I would still never take that deal. OOT isn't built for longevity

>>12016560
I can't even tell if this is shitpost.

>>12011798
it's the star wars of video games. if someone brings it up you know they're not worth talking to.

>tetris is the best game ever!
You guys are more retarded OoTdrones

>>12016876
alright smartass, what is the best game ever then?

>>12011798
name a better game, and then that will answer your question.
I dont believe in a 'best game of all time'
I just believe in a 'my favorite games of all time top 100'

>>12016876
I know. Tetris is such a meme answer and it's used by people too afraid to name a genuinely exceptionally compelling game.

Tetris isn't Chess, it's simplicity doesn't lead to so much emergent depth that would warrant it to be something that people obsess over the design of so much. It's regular form doesn't even have Puyo Puyo style chain reaction mechanics that let you make elaborate setups, so it's not really much of a puzzle game in the first place. It's a very reactionary game that is more notable as a pioneer of a genre than it is as a fine tuned best example of it, let alone the flat out best video game in general.

>>12016876
>>12016917
as stated, tetris has a solid argument for it in its elegant simplicity. it checks a lot of successful boxes, while avoiding failures and drawbacks. meanwhile, oot argument is "i like it, and it was incredible at the time" and despite every aspect of it being demonstrably improved upon by other games, "uh, um, thats not a problem actually, because, uh, i still like it". literally the worst you dipshits can say against tetris is that its not flashy or particularly complex. oh no, how devastating! its still fun and VERY skill based. there is no real argument for oot other than "but its my favorite" because NONE of them will actually discuss aspects of design without empty praise, because any aspect of design can immediately be illustrated as falling short. the ENTIRE argument is "its my favorite" and then deflection, appeals to review scores and such, and tangential put downs of other games.

>puyopuyo combos
puyo is flashy, but you can just win any match in 6-10 moves usually. maybe a couple more if rng isnt favorable, or made wrong decisions in your setup orientation (rng again). its still generally over in a flash.

>>12016917
Combos have been in Tetris since 1999, stop talking out your ass.

>hurr puzzle games are the only genre that are unique each playthrough!
Holy retarded out of touch boomer take

>>12016986
OOT being demonstrably improved upon by later entries has to be the most insane take I've ever heard.
Let's break it down:
>Majora's Mask is going for something wildly different, but received separate credit for pioneering mechanics based around the passage of time
>Wind Waker is OOT with worse balancing (too easy), less engaging exploration, more vertical and impressive level design in dungeons; but couple with disappointing simplicity in the puzzles, better graphics, and better combat, and obvious cut content
>Twilight Princess has a horrible opening, slow plodding pacing throughout the entire game, horrible wolf segments, a few items that don't feel well integrated into the game, good combat, good tone, and good dungeons overall
>Skyward Sword is motion crap and verging on a different type of game entirely
>BOTW anf TOTK ARE separate types of games entirely
>Nobody else makes Zelda-likes besides Zelda
The reason a lot of games like OOT stand above the rest of the series despite all this time and all these advancements is that the later entries are cursed to have to change enough to not literally be OOT but that means that they can't hit OOTs perfect tone/pacing/difficulty a second time. They have to change things, and some strengths can be found in the alterations, but there's also always weaknesses introduced. The ocean is cool, but it slows the game down. Having an alternate gameplay style is cool, but I don't always want to be a wolf when the game wants me to be one. OOT is unfettered by all of this because being first allows it to just be.

Tldr unless you're arguing ALTTP is better than OOT what the fuck are you doing lmao. It hasn't been surpassed as the defining 3D adventure.

>>12013939
Agreed. My favorite zelda is 2 because it actually has some difficulty in it.

I understand why they chose the difficulty they did for OOT. There's a reason most games now have an annoying npc or inner monologue telling you what to do at all times. There are enough people for which this is necessary that it usually doesn't make financial sense to cater to more skilled players.

>>12016876
Tetris is absolutely and utterly timeless. There's no bullshit or some other superficial layer for the game to hide behind.

>>12017063
Total misconception, OoT sequels suck and keep sucking harder and harder because they're built upon everything that was wrong with OoT in the first place.

>they can't hit OOTs perfect tone/pacing/difficulty a second time
Exactly, replaying OoT reveals how full of shit the game actually is.

>>12011798
No. I mean it's great, but it's not that great. I'm not even sure if I could give you a "best game of all time". I could give you a top 50 that are all at the same level.

>>12017139
Then do it.
Everyone who says there are better games and then doesn't post any are cowards.

>>12016568
>you can choose between 10 shitty atari games
I don't know if this is legitimate or if it's a counter bait for the original bait

>>12017150
FF 6
FF 7
FF 8
FF 9

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>>12011803
>Might Magic, Wizardry, Ultima and Bard's Tale didn't exist
why DO Morrowind fags only troll-bait for attention? It's not like your game isn't decent enough to inspire non-bait discussion. You shouldn't talk about other games when you've obviously only played one game your entire life. Peasants like you get the Meteor Shower.

>>12017184
Because those games suck balls compared to OoT and Morrowind

>>12017184
sorry meant to reply to >>12011830

I'm an old lich so my aim is a little off.

>>12017187
Here:
(You) (You) (You) (You) (You) (You) (You) (You)

That should last you a while. Now fuck off back to itch.io and let the grownups talk in peace.

>>12017193
>every opinion I don't like is bait
Look those games have shit gameplay and look like shit most of the time, the only good ones are the real and classic wizardry games before they went full retard with 6-8 and rightfully died and got sold to competent devs that actually understood the franchise.

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>>12011798
Twilight Princess is better.
>inb4 "bait"
No seriously, no irony, no sarcasm, no bait.

Twilight Princess has everything Ocarina has, and so much more:
>trades annoying Navi for oddly arousing Midna
>Telma's tits
>beautiful fishing zone with 4 different seasons, Autumn is an eyegasm
>overall more kino dungeons and bosses, (though Forest Temple in OoT can never be topped). Especially SkyTemple and the desert one with giant flaming skull
>endgame zone with awesome battles
>actual combat mechanics besides "hold z and mash attack"
>HORSEBACK COMBAT. You can even steal and ride giant pigs!
>glowbug fetch quest, although fetch quests are annoying, this one is fun if you do it at night
>Bombs+Arrows = Bomb Arrows
>Skateboard Beyblade AND snowboarding
>fuck you I like the bloom everywhere aesthetic
>endgame content (sort of) in Cave of Ordeals
>Kino Soundtrack, although OoT's is legendary as well, TP has a wider range of moods, so you can be a brooding edgelord to Midna's Lament if you want
>I liked the werewolf thing. I get why people didn't, but it doesn't "drag on" like zoomers whine about. They're whiny faggots with ADHD who get upset if they aren't stimulated every 5-seconds. Being a wolf was fucking awesome sometimes.
I could go on, but TP is just the superior game. OoT gets "it came first" credit, but TP was just 100% improvement.
>I also want to fall asleep to an audiobook of Lord of the Rings read by Imp Midna in her own language.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_kyCU0gwfA

>>12017225
Honestly they should have removed the wolf shit and added more areas/dungeons

>>12017197
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O8cctZLgIE

>>12017227
or just made the wolf shit better. It's the only criticism I won't defend. But I still liked it, once it became a toggle. Also, jumping from rooftop to rooftop in the pouring rain as a cursed beast trying to find the Princess while Midna's Lament played was the most sadkino moment in all of Zelda. I actually felt like a loyal dog who had lost his beloved master.

no single player game is the best game ever. Don't @ me

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>>12017245
Skyrim > listening to zero-skill retards blameshift each other about why their group fails at basic co-ordination > using any game which requires Troon-infested Discord

>>12017245
If a game needs 2 or more players to be good then that game fucking sucks

>>12011842
>OoT is good because its immersive
True but exactly why Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim surpassed it.

>>12017267
None of those games are immersive, charming, magical, creative, and sovful

>>12017260
>>12017263
>>12017264
>giving a sub 80 IQ negro the (you)s he wanted

>>12017263
>immediately thinks of trannies when someone refers to multiplayer
this is why you have no friends.

>>12017278
They are and more than OoT

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Sorry for interrupting this argumentative thread, but where do I find Saria? I looked in her hut inside the village and couldn't find her, I frankly have no other clues where to look as I haven't seen her anywhere else.

>>12017401
She's in the lost woods

>>12017063
>by later entries
retards like you always assume that the conversation is isolated to being only about zelda games. as if oot is the only game to be considered, and if SOMETHING is to be compared to it, then it MUST be another zelda game, because CLEARLY it can only be a zelda game as the best game ever made. such a narrow and retardedly biased way of looking at things.

>>12017225
Kek and based

>>12011798
No one calls it the best game of all time though.

>>12011830
retard

>>12012363
Metal Gear is shit with a shit story ans convuluted gameplay.

>>12017063
>>12017625
you know what, not only did i say "other games" and NOT "later entries", but lets take an honest look at "later entries" and how they "dont compare" to oot
>mm: the time cycle is a cool concept, but i dont like it, i would prefer simplicity like oot
>ww: i dont like the sailing shit, and i would prefer if it didnt have it, like oot
>tp: i dont like the wolf shit, and i would prefer if it didnt have it, like oot
>ss: i dont like the waggle shit, and i would prefer if it didnt have it, like oot
>botw/totk: its TOO entirely different, and i dont like any of those design systems
its all just shit you dont personally like, and absolutely zero honest consideration for whether or not something is good or not.

now, im going to be completely honest with you, I HATE THOSE GIMMICKS TOO! but writing off the games and every aspect of them entirely just because you dont LIKE some aspect of it is laughably retarded. i can guarantee that you've never taken a slow and honest look at the mechanics and context, or taken an objective consideration approach. being different isnt inherently bad. being different doesnt inherently mean that its bad. having one glaring flaw doesnt undo any other other things it does well.

the problem is that these games have too many complex considerations to take into account, and actual conversation becomes a bit drawn out and even circular. its quite difficult to suspend and juggle so many variables while trying to quantify/qualify things, and too many drooling brainlets simply give up and go "duhhhh i'll just go with my favorite! :) "

>>12017642
>No one with brains calls it the best game of all time though.
ftfy
journos and fans alike constantly call it the best game of time.

>>12011838
>forced tutorial dungeon
>linear as fuck
>repayable
Play more games

>>12011838
>Probably the most replayable game I've ever played
This has to be a joke.

>>12017653
>the problem is that these games have too many complex considerations to take into account, and actual conversation becomes a bit drawn out and even circular. its quite difficult to suspend and juggle so many variables while trying to quantify/qualify things, and too many drooling brainlets simply give up and go "duhhhh i'll just go with my favorite! :) "
And that's why OoT wins. It's so good there's none of that nonsense.

Played this game recently and I thought it fucking sucked.
I genuinely don't get why people like this game aside from personal nostalgia, this game is always either incredibly boring or frustratingly annoying.

>>12011798
The only zelda games I ever enjoyed were the 2D ones. Don't know what it was about 3D. I think I just hated all the wide open empty space that felt like a chore to move through. Plus the platforming was annoying.

>>12018416
>>12018427
Zoomzoom.

>>12018840
3d zelda is just too slow

Compare a moving blocks puzzle between a 3d zelda and a 2d zelda and you will understand the problem

>>12018835
Anon. Can you sit or stand somewhere doing nothing for a half an hour without anything and be okay?

>>12018870
Why would you waste time like that?

>>12018646
oot is one of those games, anon. it DOES have all of that nonsense to consider. just because it doesnt have a gimmick that you hate doesnt make it not a complex game. all you can do is offer empty praise.

thanks for proving me right though.

>>12018835
>why people like this game aside from personal nostalgia
thats literally all it is, anon. its pretty clear and evident.

>>12011798
I liked FF7 and MGS1 more.

>>12019149
>I like movies
Okay

>>12019154
FF7 is longer than OOT without cutscenes. But it also has dope cutscenes.

>>12019210
>menu simulator trash
The whole gameplay is cutscenes

>>12019239
I've beaten Ocarina a dozen times and think you are retarded.

>>12019239
You probably think watching shows on TV is unironically a movie game because you use a controller.

>>12018872
Checkmate. You are mentally ill if you can't be alone with your own thoughts for a half an hour and enjoy it. Thus, your opinion is compromised.

>>12011803
>dude western zogbot simulators and shitty assfaggots lmao
pc gaming is trash

>>12019643
I don't see the point in wasting time like that and just do nothing for no good reason

>>12019687
is that from a templeos word generator

>>12019694
>I don't see the point in wasting time like that
I know. Could you imagine if the violin section decided thry " didn't see the point in wasting time" during their rests at the performance? Or perhaps the composer just didn't think any of the instruments should rest at all. You couldn't call it music. That's for sure.

>>12018856
>3d zelda is just too slow
The issue goes beyond being slow, their take on game design is completely off the mark.

>>12019812
There is a difference between resting and doing nothing

>>12020560
Is there really? Is it even possible to do nothing without resting?

>>12017423
Thanks. I found her.

>>12020885
Yes? Doing nothing standing up gets tiresome

>>12021854
Standing is serious business. I don't just stand up for anybody or just for anything. Doing nothing is more like sitting or laying, though actually doing nothing is impossible.

>>12011798
It's a masterpiece

>>12021854
Since you've outed yourself as a weak little faggot, your opinion on this matter is inconsequential.

>>12022942
Not even close.