You cheated not only the game, but yourself.

You didn't grow.
You didn't improve.
You took a shortcut and gained nothing.

You experienced a hollow victory.
Nothing was risked and nothing was gained.

It's sad that you don't know the difference.

Save states are fine IMO if you use them sparingly and at reasonable spots:


1)game has password system?
savestate that shit when given a new password

2) bout to go to sleep? game doesnt have saves?
savestate that shit.

thats pretty much the only way to use them otherwise YOU ARE A FRICKEN CHEATING POS AND YOU DIDNT BEAT THE GAME

What baffles me is people will complain about having to restart a 5 minute level bur will gladly accept wasting 5 minutes of corporate logos and menu-fiddling on modern games.

why are you making a thread about it? what's the point of this thread other than ragebait?

>>12023171
I'm lonely

:(

Save states improve every game without a save & exit option

>>12023160
>I just want to enjoy the game
If the only thing that stopped you from enjoying games was the absence of save states and you actually play and enjoy them now, that's genuinely great and we, your /vr/os, are happy for you.

>>12023160
>Are save states BAD?

I don't care. I don't follow what other people do or think, and neither should you. Stop being a sheep.

I use save states because it makes redditor rage.

Just best exile last night using save states. Cry more faggots

>>12023312
Reddit loves save states. Especially if they are used to retry parts after failing.

>>12023314
Sure what ever you say reddit. Keep malding and seething

>>12023165
you don't "grow" or improve yourself by playing video games, you just waste time. save states allow you to finish the game quicker, thus leaving you more time to grow and improve in the real world.

>>12023317
>if I say you are me, then you are me
Not how it really works, savestator.

>>12023319
It's 2025, people are making millions by streaming video games

>>12023320
You knew alot about reddit. Maybe you should go back

>>12023165
Lol get a real hobby instead of pressing buttons you fucking loser

>>12023325
the ones making millions by streaming do so by being funny clowns for zoomers to laugh at, the video games are incidental are best

>>12023327
But I don't have the save state to go back, can you send it to me? Since you use a lot of save states.

>>12023160
That's fine that you used them, just don't try to pretend you played the same game as someone who didn't.

>>12023332
If you record footage with carefully applied save stating to make it seem like you're really good at playing, you can get popular without having to clown yourself

>>12023353
>cope.png

Imagine having no actual achievements in live other then playing old ass video games

>>12023160
You don't deserve to see the next stage
You're an intruder of the level. Like a hobo sneaking into a billionaire's wedding, sure you get to see some new sights but your experience will never match the people who are qualified to be there

>>12023160
>I just want to enjoy the game
If I have to use save states and it's not for practicing an arcade game, I am not enjoying the game.

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>>12023160
ok but you didn't beat the game though. as long as you accept this then it's totally fine.

>>12023167
>bout to go to sleep? game doesnt have saves?
son? why is the TV still up? it's 2 in the morning! turn it off now!!
no it's not

>>12023371
>Like a hobo sneaking into a billionaire's wedding
This, combined with the jetpack gymnast, make save states sound fucking awesome actually

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>>12023160
what is this expression called?

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>>12023413
Revolting

>>12023165
I use rapidfire controllers and don't give a fuck incel

>>12023439
Why even play the game at that point?

>>12023421
Not as awesome as being a trained gymnast, a influential money haver, or being good at games but you have to take what you can get I guess

>>12023165
The person who said this was responding to someone who used cheat engine to make themselves invincible for the final boss of Sekiro. Not really the same thing.

Yes it's cheating, yes I cheat, and I cheat in online multiplayer too. If it makes you angry then that just increases my feeling of winning more.

>>12023443
You're none of those things though anon, and I can tell because you are here

>>12023463
> I cheat in online multiplayer too
Kek this. I feel no shame about it either. I also cheated throughout high school and college, and I cheat on my wife constantly

>>12023469
I'm one of those things and several others. What are you?

>>12023312
>Just best exile last night
How is the game?

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>>12023475
Wow, we have a gymnast in the thread!

>>12023160
If you don't enjoy overcoming the challenge of a game, what do you enjoy about it?
Flashing colors entering your rods and cones?

>>12023512
The underlying trait is perseverance numbnuts

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>>12023160
Do whatever you want that brings you the most fun. Nobody is paying you or forcing you to play video games in a certain way.

Just be open about it and don't lie about using savestates.

>>12023523
As above , so below

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I personally am a heterosexual male, so I would never use save states because if I cannot enjoy something as-is, then I do not wish to modify it to become an object of my enjoyment.
Now, if I were in fact, not a heterosexual male, I could see the appeal, but as it stands, I cannot comprehend such modification, as it's either something I enjoy, or it isn't and should be left for non-heterosexual entities, unlike myself.

>>12023508
It's certainly interesting. We had a thread about it recently.

They changed the real historical factions to fantasy name stuff so backstory gets lost since it's not explained so the story is a bit obtuse but interesting when you piece together who is what.

It's pretty quick though, go to place A, walk through dungeon maze, defeat baddie, then goto place B. So no meandering side quest shit to be used as filler.

Goto the first dungeon, setup your turbo button to keep killing auto respawning enemy and leave it for a couple hours if you want to overlevel and breeze through the game.

>>12023160
>recognizing manchild skirt wearing faggots
>they use save states for games that can be beaten in less then 30 minutes even dying several times.
>they use excuse "i don't have the patience or time to do it all over again"
>they claim "i just want to enjoy the game"
if you want to play a relaxing game just play rpgs are quite fun, enjoyable or play ADV since you are a grown up man.
you are just searching for excuses manchild and nothing else.

>>12023325
Yeah like 0.001% of streamers. 99.999% are lucky to break 20 viewers

>>12023371
>hobo that breaks into the wedding, eata the nice food and generally enjoys themselves

Vs

>hobo that knows their place is behind the trash can, and thanks the billionaire for putting him there

I'm using save states

>>12023413
Ok this is pretty awful

>>12023629
>hobo that breaks into the wedding, eata the nice food and generally enjoys themselves
> And then then he gets thrown out and the police beat him to death with rubber dildos
If only we had such justice against save scummers

>>12023413
At that point why even fucking bother.

>>12023629
And the thing is
>5-20 minutes tops to overcome an obstacle the right way
Vs
>Being a fucking billionaire
One of these you can clearly afford

You can use it, I don't care. But you'll never get the authentic experience of its day.

>>12023641
But extreme there pal, supposed to be a light hearted thread

>>12023547
>I personally am a heterosexual male
Biggest lie in the thread

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>>12023160
I only use them as saves, as in if I continue playing something like SMB3 a few days later.

>>12023165
He was always right, even if he said it in a corny and pretentious sounding way.
>>12023319
You grew and improved at the game, and gained the joy of improvement at something (even if it's meaningless). Using save states to cheat your way through the game means you didn't get to experience that part of the game. Therefore, your victory is more shallow than it would've been otherwise, and you should know the difference. You've cheated yourself of an arguably more satisfying experience, and certainly a deeper one.

None of this is to say that cheating in a single player game is bad. If you enjoy the game that way, good for you. But it's fundamentally different and you're missing out on something.

>>12023662
Yeah you thought. You thought you could troll somebody like me and get away with it. Only reason it bothers you is that it's true. You know that it's the appropriate treatment of someone who is expressing their genetic predisposition to taking the easy way out at every level without making so much as an attempt to better their DNA their legacy and their bloodline

>>12023458
>The person who said this was responding to someone who used cheat engine to make themselves invincible for the final boss of Sekiro. Not really the same thing.
That's basically the same thing as giving yourself infinite lives with save states.

>>12023413
Her bitch face coupled with the black curly hair never fails to make me diamonds

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>>12023160
I don't like using save states, but I refuse to play retro RPGs without the fast forward button. I am not sitting through every single battle at 1x speed with those encounter rates.

>>12023727
Just don't play the game if you don't like the music, tactics and rhythm of it all

>>12023717
>blood, soil and save states

>>12023721
Brittle and cold?

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>>12023160
I'm torn on them.

Did you cheat? Yes, and that can be bad for the experience. I also think you should always clarify that when discussing the particular video game you "beat" because you did have a different experience because of it. However... some titles just don't deserve the time and effort to get good at them to enjoy the whole thing, especially when they have limited lives/continues, I find that if I'm about to drop something, it's best to cheat than to give it up altogether, perhaps there's something to like there, but it's not enough to justify the effort, so I make things a bit easier for myself, even if it's cheating, though in a case like that I prefer cheat codes for infinite lives/continues over save states, it feels more authentic, as in this is how it should've been released then, while save states feel very artificial, compared to losing and starting at a checkpoint, but that's just me.

I also like them to go back to where I left it, I mean, how many times didn't we leave the console on just to not lose our hard earned progress? It's not too different from that, and in adult life it's almost needed depending on the length of what we're playing, and one's schedule, in this case I don't think the person who used them even needs to mention it as they still beat it legit, just used a tool to get the same effect of leaving the console on, but without leaving the emulator on at all times, the same goes for save states as a substitute for passwords, you're just doing what you would've done then anyways, but faster.

>>12023729
Once you've been stuck backtracking through the same area for several hours, you've heard the same battle track and seen the same enemy attack animations 100s of times.

>>12023737
>Brittle

Diamonds are one of the hardest substances known to mankind

>>12023160
Savestates have a ton of use cases, many of them just improve your enjoyment. You can skip passwords, unskippable cutscenes, farming/grinding and so on, so I don't see the issue in those cases but
>>12023413
this makes the whole point of playing the game pointless, same as savescumming in PC games.

>>12023749
Sure, smash one hard with a hammer. See what happens.

>>12023749
They are scratch resistant, not bash resistant...

>>12023171
its literally just ragebait. They know what they are doing is seen as unpleasant, they say they dont care but they do, and they know they will get attention if they share.

>>12023727
>>12023729
>I refuse to play retro RPGs without the fast forward button
exactly, just dont play. You arent even playing it anyway using fastforward you might as well just watch a letsplay.

>>12023801
>exploring the world
>hand drawing maps
>talking to NPCs gathering clues and enjoying the dialogue/story
>collecting all the items
>strategizing for the bosses and out of depth encounters that actually require your brain to beat
>OH BUT IF YOU FAST FORWARD THROUGH THE ZERO STRATEGY RANDOM ENCOUNTERS THAT YOU JUST AUTO ATTACK THROUGH ANYWAYS YOU SHOULDN'T PLAY THE GAME

The dwellers on this board are so fucking dumb.

>>12023727
Bravely Default, is that you?

>>12023790
>>12023782
I've got something you two can bash (My taste in gem stones)

Anyways what happens if someone hits a diamond with a hammer?

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>>12023820

I'm 45 and I outgrew this kind of cheating roughly 28 years ago. When I was a kid I just loved playing games and had no concept of cheating (which I did back then by using printed guide material that came with the games or with a magazine, or by using word-of-mouth as in the case of the Konami code) being a bad thing. Today I simply can't enjoy playing that way anymore and I want all stories to be unspoiled and all gameplay strategies to be fully invented and executed by me alone, where possible. And it's almost always possible.

One does run into exceptions though. Savestates at the end of play sessions for skipping around password entry, GameFAQs guides for unlocking things in games that use the Pokémon-style "you have to have both cartridges for all content" gimmick, fast-forward or YouTube to smooth the most infuriatingly rough edges off of certain especially slow JRPGs as >>12023805 says - it happens.

Anyway I did have more fun playing as a cheating kid. I guess I'd go back to that if I could, but I outgrew it, for better or for worse. I don't really understand OP's way (or at least, the way of the character OP is pretending to be in order to troll). It feels impossible to me.

>>12023820
https://youtu.be/XBjiEsAyNQs?t=85

>>12023805
>The battles are too slow, ill just fast forward
>this hidden chest is too hidden, ill just look it up
>this map is too mazelike, theres a guide online, noone could possibly find that
>where to go is too cryptic, ill just open up gamefaqs
>this boss is bullshit i dont want to run back after losing the fight, engage my secret savestate technique.

you arent fooling anyone. Noone believes that someone who cant accept the game for what is is will accept any friction the game presents them, its only a matter of time.

>>12023719
Not really.

>>12023872
How do you figure? Both options make you invincible in the sense that it becomes impossible to lose.

>>12023727
That can break the game (like speed grinding) and disrupts the natural rhythm of the experience. But you know what? If that's how you enjoy the games go for it. Life is short, I'm not going to encourage you to waste more time than you need to, if you're already having fun that way.

>>12023878
But that's not true? There's a huge difference between literally can't die and just not replaying a level over and over.

You know that as well and are just faking it.

I don't use save-states because I play on RetroAchievements hardcore mode.

>>12023870
Your imaginary scenario has been noted, and you can believe what you want to believe if it makes you feel superior to anonymous strangers on the internet.
>>12023881
Thank you for your reasonable take and not being a dumb nigger. I think grinding is stupid because most of the time you gain enough levels just by running back and forth through the dungeons looking for treasure anyways.

>>12023889
>>12023889
>But that's not true? There's a huge difference between literally can't die and just not replaying a level over and over.
>You know that as well and are just faking it.
Save state cheating can make it so you literally can't die, you can effectively rewind to before you were hit anytime you want. Obviously there are degrees to it, but it still makes the game easier than normal.

>>12023903
>already back peddling
I accept my win.

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I have beaten games on original hardware and then again with save states thru emulation.

Save states was actually more satisfying. Repeating the same dogshit over and over is not fun. It was never fun. And it will never be fun. Period.

>>12023897
>if you dont accept me cheating you are a DUMB NIGGER
The insecurity is not at all noticeable dont worry.

>>12023921
>making the battle animations faster after you get bored of issuing four attack orders on a party of blue slimes every turn is cheating because... IT JUST IS OKAY?
The mental gymnastics going on here is very odd. I think OP might have upset you somehow and you're taking it out on me.

>>12023917
So you became worse got it

>>12023921
Cheating in single player games is impossible. They are for your enjoyment and nothing else.

>>12023927
>using an emulator to make the game do anything I want is not cheating because.... IT JUST ISNT OKAY?
Completely delusional and insecure. Just say hey I like to cheat I can do whatever I want with my toys.
>cheating is wrong but im not wrong so what im doing must not be cheating!

All of you need to stick to nu-video games. Retro is not for you.

>>12023935
lol

>>12023932
I did sure, but I had a lot more fun. That's the only thing that matters in vidya.

>>12023941
No you fucking didn't have more fun you sound like a sissy little girl go play animal crossing

>>12023938
I just played Castlevania Bloodlines, stop me

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>>12023935
Just stop.

Don't you people already have a 500+ post thread on this.

>First save state thread maxes out
>Second one immediately up and clears 100+ posts easily
Kek. If it didn't matter you wouldn't so ardently defend yourself like this.

>>12023971
>>12023972
Clearly someone was incredibly desperate to carry the shitshow on.

>>12023905
>reloading the memory state before you die doesn't mean you can never die i win :)
declaring yourself victorious is meaningless when you fundamenlly don't understand what you're discussing

>>12023934
>deal solitare
>move cards into four random piles
>declare yourself victorious
being this desperate to win is especially pathetic when you're alone

>>12023941
>i can only have fun when I win
translation: allergic to challenge, doesn't actually like retro games but wants fake social accreditation for playing them; poser

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>>12023353
I lol'd

>>12023319
If you're not even engaging with the thing you're wasting your time with, you're doubly wasting it. If your goal is to get it out of the way faster, then just don't play the fucking game, retard

>>12023167
IMO it's not cheating as long as it doesn't make any challenge easier
For example a very difficult boss fight you'll probably need several attempts to beat and every time you have to load your game and sit through an unskippable cutscene

>>12023805
Why not immerse yourself into the Role you're Playing? That was a feature of tabletop RPGs, immersion through imagination. It's what makes character progression satisfying to begin with, growing in the world as a character. It doesn't have to only be about the wargaming.

using save states is playing smarter not harder

it's the same difficulty either way, man impatient people are dumb

>>12023160
>SmugJack IS THIS ACTUALLY THING thumbnail

This is Cancer.

>>12023165
fpbp

>>12023160
>Yes, I use save states.
>Im 38 now, I haven't got the patience to redo a precise platform jump 15 times. I just want to enjoy the game

Same situation here: im NOT going to play 20 times the same level in DOOM 2 or in Quake only because of a precise platform jump or a trap without exit.

>random eceleb made a vid
so that's why some retard has made 15 different threads about it over 2 days

>>12023878
Not really, if you suck that much then it doesn't matter how many lives you have, you won't win and will eventually give up. But if you simply can't take damage then you won't lose, full stop.

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For the consideration of the room: Mouse Trap. First things first and I'm sure we can all agree on this, the main draw of the game is setting off the trap. It's what makes the game fun to play, it's what advertised the game, it's what the game is named after. Without the trap you're just rolling dice and waiting for everyone else to roll the dice until all but one person loses, completely randomly. The only element of strategy is during endgame when landing on the "Turn Crank" space and choosing to lure another opponent's mouse onto the cheese wheel by exchanging a cheese piece for an extra die roll as many times as you can afford, allowing you the possibility of taking out more than one mouse (assuming you are playing with more than two players and the trap actually completes). If my rambling explanation of the "move opponents" rule wasn't a hint, most kids didn't play this way assuming they ever actually played the game at all and just treated the game as a toy to be played with instead. Put bluntly, it's not a very good game. This is why most players that want to play a board game choose to play Perfection or Stratego or Mastermind or Battleship or Trouble or literally any other game than Mouse Trap since those games have clear rules that are more fun to follow.

>>12024478
His face, your pain

>>12024821
Bro he isnt random, he's been grinding away harder than you can imagine, please just understand how much work I put into this

I just play games for fun so I never use statestates.

Why does everyone feel they have to justify everything.

>>12024915
Desperate need for approval their father never gave them

>>12024357
Sure as long as the actual game save is right before the boss fight, if you're skipping any type of actual gameplay... I'm afraid to say... YOU'RE A FRICKEN CHEATER AHHHH

>>12024915
Because everyone wants to tear everyone else down.

Defense mechanism

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How do you guys play PC games like Quake where save states are built into the game and there's no checkpoints? Do you quick save after you kill each enemy?

>>12024983
PC gamers truly were babied with their built in save states

How many gamers did they ruin with that shit

>>12023890
What game are you doing right now?

Savestates are cheating because they modify the intended sequence of the game.

You can cheat if you want to but it' still cheating.

>>12024854
>Not really, if you suck that much then it doesn't matter how many lives you have, you won't win and will eventually give up. But if you simply can't take damage then you won't lose, full stop.
Well yeah, full invincibility is a more absolute guarantee of victory. But if you keep making save states as you fight a boss, you can literally rewind to before you got hit whenever you want. You're still effectively invincible. The only way you can lose is by giving up, you'll never have to see a Game Over.

Either way, it undeniably alters the game you're playing and removes most of the challenge. Obviously how much changes varies depending on the game and what you're trying to do in it, but I don't get why people can't admit the obvious truth that using save states to remove or reduce consequences in games changes the challenge of a game. People twist themselves into knots denying the undeniable.

I figure most of it is just trolling, but maybe some people genuinely don't want to agree with it.

>>12025020
Who am I cheating?

>>12025048
The rules of the game, sir.

>>12024983
the lack of save states is not a game design decision as these fanatics like to tell themselves, it's fundamentally a tech limitation. the amount of flash memory built into the cartridge was too limited to store a full copy of the state of the game, so to limit the amount of memory and simplify the code, games only offered save points at certain points in the game.

>>12023160
>use save states
>want to enjoy the game
That's a contradiction. You aren't playing the game if you use savestates.

>>12023319
>you just waste time. save states allow you to finish the game quicker, thus leaving you more time to grow and improve in the real world.
I like how this was said as if the game was something to discard like a used tissue. Like you are actively disgusted that you "have" to play this thing but thankfully you have save states to free you from this hell and let you get back to real life.
The reality is that most of the games people use save states for a 30min to an hour long so losing all your lives and continues is not a big deal and you'll be amazed how much you've improved on a second playthrough. I know the type who use save states, they have an emulator and 1,000 roms so they feel they can't "waste time" losing/learning a game because they want to get to the next one. People put 80+ hours into todays games but they won't put a few into replaying an old game to get good even though a full replay only takes as much time as it does to get to the next checkpoint in a big AAA game.
Let me tell you this, the most fun I've had with retro games isn't seeing the ending, it's starting up a next playthrough and having no problems. Zero frustration, just fun as I cleave through the game taking note that I a doing even better than last time. When I set up an emulation system, I build it with this in mind, I scope out the library and only add games I will play then I pick a game and enjoy it without worrying about getting to the next one. The way save staters "play", they might as well save time by watching a long play on YouTube.
So if you are a save stater, I implore you, lose at games, spend that last credit, restart at the title screen, it'll be fun.

>>12023160
Me too bro - but I'm not going to create a post about it here to defend it, as I'm very clear that it's a cheat, just like when I used to play Duke Nukem with the all weapons cheat when I was a kid.

The only time I feel a little bit more justified in using it is when the save system is a bit badly implemented or broken (or uses passwords that I can't be bothered to look up or write down).

>>12025243
>The only time I feel a little bit more justified in using it is when the save system is a bit badly implemented or broken
Personally, I've always carved out an exception for saving and quitting, it's undoing mistakes that enter the territory of cheating.

>>12025238
i have seen a few people repeat this story of how much more fun and satisfying is to beat games without save states. do you seriously think that people who use save states have never beaten an game without using them? most of us played these games in the original consoles ffs.

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>>12025216
If it wasn't an intended design decision then why don't most 16 bit and earlier games have unlimited lives? Some amount have unlimited continues, but continuing will put you at the start of the level instead of a check point which losing a life will do. So why not unlimited lives and more check points in a level? Why not have the ability to just spawn in where or close to where you died if you lose a life? Beat em ups do this, some shoot em ups do this. Why don't all games just let you pick up from where you last left off. Or have more check points. Or have unlimited continues? When you start going down the list of mechanics based on player death, is it technology limitations or is a lot of it intentional?

We can go through this right now.
>Lives
Does it have limited or unlimited lives? Can you gain more lives? Is it score based? Is it based on attaining a one up on screen? Is it both?
>Continues
Can you continue if you run out of lives? Is there limited continues? Can you earn more continues? How can you earn more continues? Is there unlimited continues?
>Checkpoints
How many checkpoints will there be? Is it only the start of the level? Will there be a check point right before a boss? Will only losing a life send you back to mid level check points? Do continues allow you to start at your latest check point or send you back to the start of the level? Are there no checkpoints because you spawn where you died?

When you can see a laundry list of things to consider, it's hard to say that it wasn't intentional. There's intention with how a game handles player death.

>>12025253
Mostly I am talking about games with a character progression, like RPGs. The lives and continues nonsense was inherited from arcade games trying to get you to spend more money, it never had a place in home consoles. It's detrimental design just for the sake of making more money for the owner of the arcade machine.

>>12025256
That's a good point. For a long time they were just copying arcade game design.

>>12025250
>do you seriously think that people who use save states have never beaten an game without using them? most of us played these games in the original consoles ffs.
Nah, I think you've just lost your mojo. I grew up with Pokemon back in the day and when I was older, I started playing it on an emulator. To "skip the grind" I began using the fast forward feature and later I dropped the game and did so every time I tried to pick it back up. Eventually while trying again I was listening to the distorted music that game from 10x speed as I bolted back and forth in the tall grass and realized, this is why I can't enjoy it the way I used to, I'm doing it to myself. I took off the fast forward, stopped grinding so much and started playing.
I think that you think that save states hasn't effected your fun but I bet you often go back to and play the games you played as a child and rarely use save states on them, I bet you drop new games once you've "beaten" them because you consumed them like a YouTube video instead of properly playing them.

>>12023160
Don't you get put off watching these videos because these poster frames are fucking gay cringy repetitive shite?

>>12023160
Why do you even care? Obviously, there are always going to be things that are far more important than playing vidya for hours on end. I keep seeing these posts. It's like no one here has a family, job or anything else to fill the hours. I know you do, so why post these threads?

>>12025268
The slow, unskippable animations of games like pokemon used to cause a lot of anxiety when I was a child playing these games. I would get increasingly frustrated as I played the game and had to sit over the same animations for a thousand times. I wouldn't even bother with these games as an adult without the ability to fast-forward.

If that's not a problem for you, and you enjoy these games the way they are, that's good for you, but not everybody is the same.

>>12025275
Blame youtube.

>>12025283
>anxiety attack because of waiting three seconds
You should get that checked out

>>12025287
>hey goy, why don't you take some drugs for your anxiety so that you can play games the way they were meant to be played?

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>>12025256
>immediate game over
I'd rather have lives

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>>12025291
>immediately thinks about medicating
that's not healthy anon. you don't need drugs you need to let go of your anxiety when it doesn't help you

>>12023917
Fun is irrelevant. If you used savestates you didn't beat the game.

>>12023934
Games are for enjoyment but if you break the rules of the game then you aren't playing it anymore.

>>12023917
>game you chose to play is less satisfying when it continues
tacitly admitting you don't like games you chose to play

>>12024357
>unskippable cutscene
This is the intended pacing of the game. Bypassing it is breaking the game and therefore cheating.

>>12023165
Bunch of tourists itt, and you fucked them in their worthless asses. Good job

>>12025285
I blame the audiences that accept it, helping it become a trend. The narcissisism and how fake and staged everything is in homemade video content is mind blowing.

>>12024302
That's how I play solitaire and I always have fun.

>>12023418
>turn off TV
>leave console on
I did this constantly as a kid, I'd leave games running overnight and all day if I had to. My parents never noticed as long as I switched the TV away from the game input and turned it off. Even if they turned the TV on, they wouldn't see a game so they'd be none the wiser. Savestates allow me to emulate this experience.

>>12025021
>Obviously how much changes varies depending on the game and what you're trying to do in it, but I don't get why people can't admit the obvious truth that using save states to remove or reduce consequences in games changes the challenge of a game. People twist themselves into knots denying the undeniable.
What I don't understand is why people give a shit so much that others do it, or why people need to "defend" that they do it. Like holy shit people, it's fucking videogames, it does not actually matter.

Thanks guys, I've decided I'm going to start using save states now purely because of the foamy drooling rage that some you are exhibiting because other people are having fun in their own way

>Is time management bad?

>>12026146
I totally agree with you, that's why it's even stranger to me. Saying it makes the game easier or changes how the game is naturally plays isn't the same as saying there's anything immoral about playing that way. It's a single player game, you're not hurting anybody else by doing whatever you want with it. Mod the game, use save states, cheats, or anything else if you enjoy it.