Why is the meme that MiSTer is overpriced or expensive still regurgitated constantly?You can get a pre-built MiSTer ready to plug-and-play for under $200. That's fucking insane value compared to original consoles, everdrives, RGB mods, and Retrotink 4K.If you don't own/order one by this point, you're just a dumbass.
>>12023496i wouldn't play any bing bing wahoo for over 0$
>>12023496https://www.4chan.org/advertise
>>12023496>$190Still overpriced. If I wanted a MiSTer, I'll only pay $99 for it. Other than that, I'll stick to my gaming PC, original consoles and console minis. Only dumbasses pay for a MiSTer.
>just pre-order from these shady chinks!No. No I don't think I will. I'll be happy with my authentic, original consoles.
>>12023496Ok. I already have a computer that can run emulators. Goodbye.
>>12023496But my PC can play all the same stuff and DOS games. Do you have any idea how many games are on that motherfucker?
>mister fpga mentioned on /vr/
>>12023501>>12023943>>12023945>>12023949>>12023975Less than $200 for the absolute most accurate, lowest input lag, lowest audio latency, plug-and-play device with easy, native, lagless support for CRTs and original controllers (as well as 4kTVs and USB controllers too obviously) for everything all the way up to and including PSX/Saturn/N64 is a fucking insane deal and if you can't understand that you're a retard who should kys
>>12024016i wouldn't play any bing bing wahoo for over 0$
>>12024016No, you’re being weird.
>>12023496>>12024016i sure hope you're getting paid for this, because if you're not this is just sad.
>>12023496because it is.>get gamestick that runs at hardware level>those would be 15 dollars american pig>cores used for it are the most accurate of all emulators.>stick has great performance because recycled hardware of old smartphone (not that old but old in technology standard).>is 20 times more powerfull then misternothing personal.
>>12024016Buy an ad. I’m tired of this fpga meme. If I want accuracy I’ll buy the real console. Chinese flashcarts are a dime a dozen. If I want to emulate I’ll hook up my laptop to a screen for free.
>>12023496>download emu>download roms>play for free
I've been playing GT3 a lot lately, and all for $0. The Mister costs $200 more, and I can't play GT3 with it.
>i'm a retard who buys overhyped and overpriced gaming plastic and can't afford my rent but i'm so much more financially literate than you tranny nigger kike faggots die die die
I've been looking to get into a mister for a while, mostly for arcade/neogeo stuff. Does the Mister Pi do both HDMI and analog video out? I can get adapters and use real hardware controllers right?
It's overpriced because there are free emulators available on PC that are more accurate.
>>12024146Yes, yes
>>12024178What is the difference between this and the other options on the market? Does this lack something compared to the more expensive ones?
>>12024194The more expensive ones are made in small batches by britbongs in their basement and use a DE10 nano student testing PCB as their core. They repurposed a product meant for university students to learn FPGA and added gamer specific IO to it. The IO cards and other shit was always perpetually sold out as they made them in tiny batches. Scalpers went after the DE10 student kits and drove the price to obscene levels by trying to control the market. Taki mass produces them instead, still using the authentic cyclone chip used by the DE10, but isnt using the off-the-shelf student kit. It is a purpose built version with QC in the USA and multiple employees, and brought the price down to less than a third of what they were before.Ali express also has other makers but with unchecked china quality. Those are the cheapest option and people have good results with those too, but YMMV.
>>12024194USB-C instead of barrel jacksome unused extraneous components of the DE10 Nano removedI think might not be compatible with a select few rare accessories, not really sure.It's basically exactly the same, same specs, same cores, same performance, same latency, etc.
>>12024243>>12024293Thanks, got a few more questions. I'm basically looking to replace all my 5th and back consoles with this. Light guns and all those style of accessories work? Real controllers work? Do blue tooth work natively as well?As far as video out, can I get 240p component out the back of that or am I gonna need adapters? It be nice to be done with all scart stuff. Also, HDMI out is still good on these? If I ever choose to go to a modern TV with it, it will play nice with a RetroTink4k?
Also, can I get optical audio out of it?
>>12024358>Light guns and all those style of accessories work. Real controllers workYes. You can plug your namco lightgun or whatever into the PSX control SNAC (sold separately but pretty cheap). the SNAC is a little plug in that has various plugs for real hardware, be it N64 or PlayStation or an old genesis controller so you use real hardware, lag free. Note that light gun games they work only on CRT, unless you get the ones with IR for use on LCD tvs. >As far as video out, can I get 240p component out the back yep. you you just grab a cheap cable like pic related on amazon. you can do RGB (15khz or 32khz), component, SCART and anything else you want, using basic off the shelf cables, or just connect the VGA to a VGA CRT. The output can be whatever you want.>>12024376>Also, can I get optical audio out of it?Yes. The 3.5mm jack is for analog or digital audio. you plug in the mini toslink adapter (like $6 on amazon) and hook up your optical audio,
>>12024358>Light guns and all those style of accessories work? Real controllers work? Do blue tooth work natively as well?Yes, yes, yes (BT not natively, but pretty sure the MiSTer Pi includes it)>As far as video out, can I get 240p component out the back of that or am I gonna need adapters?This is what you want. https://misteraddons.com/products/vga-ypbpr-video-cablesComposite and s-video are a bit more difficult, but they have YC cores that support them (not very knowledgeable about this because I've never done it)>Also, HDMI out is still good on these? Absolutely, that's how I play mine mostly. Just make sure you enable the low-lag v-sync setting in the .ini file to avoid any V-Sync lag. Also helps to use fixed vblank setting for 5th gen games that change resolutions (this is largely irrelevant with Retrotink 4k as it swaps between video modes near instant regardless)>If I ever choose to go to a modern TV with it, it will play nice with a RetroTink4k?Yes, just enable direct_video setting in .ini
>>12023496afaik its OK to have original hardware and a Mister and also emulate
>>12024451>pretty sure the MiSTer Pi includes it)Some included it as a pre-order bonus, they always throw in free SNAC control ports or bluetooth adapters, etc. Each pre-order batch has a different free perk it seems.They sell them for $5 if you didnt get a free one.
>>12024447>>12024451Thanks for the info, think i'm gonna do it. Switch out the PCE, NES, SNES, N64, Genesis, Saturn, and PS1 for the mister and gain tons of Arcade and Neogeo stuff. Plus I could drop SCART from my signal chain which if I'm honest is getting unruly.
>>12024473I did it for the same reason, to remove clutter from too many consoles and cables.The console collection is great to have if you have room to display it all cleanly, but to actively use them all, and jump from game to game, console to console was a burden I found.
>>12024476Currently dealing with this. I have cords out the ass for all my systems and it is a pain
>>12024447The SNAC I mentioned above, the have all the consoles if you want to use original hardware. The snac port looks like USB but thats just the physical connector, it doesnt go through a laggy USB controller and is the same as a direct wired controller on physical console.
>>12024487and power bricks. Even when the console is off, the power bricks sit there turning electricity into waste heat, they are never truly off. A room full of consoles plugged in adds up month after month. Newer consoles are better at switching off almost completely but the older DC supplies can be awful. Touch them and see if they are even slightly warm, that is power wasted.
>>12023943>Only dumbasses pay for a MiSTer./thread
>>12024508Do they make cases for them? I play N64 with my kids and I KNOW they are gonna try to mess with an exposed board
>>12024540Why not buy a real n64? Japanese ones are like 20 dollars and it takes 10 seconds to clip the region locking plastic.
>>12024574I have multiple n64s. Looking to simplify my setup.
>>12024515I've consolidated most of my shit into a mister as well but just get a power strip with an off off button and plug the bricks into that.
>>12024540Look on Etsy. There's a dude selling these from Sweden or Norway that has them 3D printed already. Bought one of these and it legit worked without much hassle.
>>12023496To all the faggots that shit on the MisterPi are retards that didn't buy one.It's fantastic with SNAC adapters for legit controllers for like N64 or even if you wanna be lazy and just use an SN30 from 8Bitdo (wired or wireless) and the shit just works Plays games flawlessly on the big ass 32 inch CRT I had until recently since I'm moving. Had no issues with SNES, NES, Genesis, N64 and PSX games that I played from start to finish.A MisterPi plus a hacked Wii is all you need.
>>12024016>original controllers (with accessories sold separately :^) haha, spend more money goy)
>>12024661>working SNES, NES, Genesis, N64 and PSX emulation is the selling point of a $200 ARM microcomputer in 2025
>>12024661>Had no issues with SNES, NES, Genesis, N64 and PSX gamesThat's cool. I get the same without paying for your silly box, salesman
>>12024669It hooks up to my CRT TV without an issue, and without having to resort to using runahead to mask input lag like even on the best of modern emulators.I did side by side tests with my actual consoles and it felt spot on.You can feel the difference with input lag with modern emulators but go ahead, keep telling yourself otherwise.Personally, I don't care either way and love all methods. I too want a 4K TV with the cheap ass scalers that came out recently that are basically RetroTink clones cause they look awesome on an OLED screen.I just think in comparison to trying to buy original hardware plus decent Everdrive carts, it's worth it for some systems due to price alone.Even the computer cores for Mister kick ass too --> Amiga which can run every fucking Amiga computer model possible plus the CD32.Try buying one of those on eBay. Yep that's what I thought, you can't without refusing to pay the rent.
>>12024670No, I am not OP and could care less. I just don't think everyone shitting on MisterPi is justified since you probably never used it, and just don't know.
>>12024665Still far cheaper than original hardware.You can still use USB controllers for every core just fine
>>12023496It would be overpriced at ten bucksBuy an ad
>>12024678>No, I am not OPNot what I said, salesman
>>12023496i dusted off my raspi4 yesterday and still works just fine.no need to get "new thing" :)
>>12024698Whatever faggot. Even though OP should have bought an ad, I still think shithead contrarians like you are small dick retards that could never understand anyway.
>>12024709Oof, they must be paying you guys on commission instead of per-post, if you're gonna get this upset. Good luck, salesman-kun.
>>12024754Most of /vr/ who ever wanted a mister already have one at this point anyway. No one is getting rich off the 11 people viewing the thread. /vr/ has around 2100 posts a day, even less traffic than other slow boards like /his/ and /lit/.
All the Mister seething comes from third worlders who still use Project 64 because they can't afford a PC that runs Ares. The sour grapes is so obvious.
>>12024447>>12024358As an alternative to the old mister case, there is a mister packaged in a mini console case that has built in component video and optical outputs already. It is a much cleaner case and only $10 more than a basic mister pi.It may look like a mini playstation but its a full mister that plays all the consoles a normal mister does, its just a cleaner package for it and has the play station control ports built in rather than needing SNAC.
>>12024016>200 is a better deal than: free
>>12024016>getting this salty over people not willing to buy a MiSTerkek
>>12023496MiSTer sisters we are losing on /v/
>>12025358No we're really not, just the same uneducated poorfag retards regurgitating the same non-arguments about shit they know nothing aboutMiSTer is inevitable, it does not need to even defend itself. The technology and results speak for itself. It merely needs to be explained to retards.
>>12025447>anyone not throwing good money after bad on a kid’s hobby is retarded Grow up, man. The fact you can’t even see the irony in your screeching is the saddest part.
>>12025605>good money after badLmao shut the fuck up retard
>>12023496I already own the MiSTeraddons prebuilt and ordered the SS1, otherwise I would get this
i dont own one and I'm never going to own one unless I get one for free, not spending a single penny on a mister, sorry sister.
They're fine, it's the insistence of getting rid of other people's property that's irritating
>>12023496It's by trolls, even back then it was by trolls, it wasn't even subtle. Insisting on an absurdly high price and then claiming that places like Mister Addons is "official" or some shit like that. It's just that even most trolls now know that bait is not every effective anymore. Same retards who claim fpga is a "meme", a completely nonsensical statement.>>12024004Pretty much, I don't think even CRT discussion brings out this many trolls. Some of them have literally been seething about it since 2022 if not earlier.>>12024046>>15 dollars>>most accurate of all emulators.I am guessing those sticks are 100% pure copium?>>12024052>Chinese flashcarts are a dime a dozen.Even the official SNES flashcart can run less SNES games than the MiSTer can, and the Chinese bootlegs even less>>12024146The standard setup with an Analog I/O board (the $186 one shown in OP's image) does. The DE-10 itself has HDMI out. And yes, you can get USB adapters, or SNAC adapters to be even closer to real arcade hardware. If you have a JAMMA cabinet you can even just get the DE-10 board and JAMMA-based board to plug it into.>>12024194Build your own from Terasic:+Original standard option+Parts available instantly+Most common variant-Most expensiveTaki:+Much cheaper+USB-C for power instead of barrel-jack+Hidden header for USB hub board-Goes out of stock for long periods of time+/-Only available with soldered RAM nowChinese QMTech:+Cheapest+Usually avalaible-Not compatible with some accessories-Questionable quality+/-Only available with soldered RAM nowMultisystem 2:+Consolized+Plug-in SNAC and other upgrade options-Plug-in port is proprietary and standard SNAC port can be iffy-Not much options to thinker if you want to upgrade//change stuff laterSuperstation One:+Consolized+Built-in PSX ports+Dock lets you run original disks, has an M.2 slot, and SNAC port+Might be able to play physical carts in the future-Dock costs extra-Still in preorder
>>12024358Original light guns work, but you will need a SNAC adapter and a CRTReal controllers work too, again, will need a SNAC adapter to make it like the real thing(Make sure to use a Level Shifter for the systems that need it for SNAC, which is just about every system except N64 and PSX. Some SNAC adapters have it built in, some you have to plug it in separately.)It does not come with WiFi or Bluetooth, but you can add with that a $5-10 dongle.Depending on the version you get (Specifically, what Analog I/O board you get) you will likely need a breakout cable. It can do just about any analog signal, even the weird ones old PCs used, but you need to configure what analog signal you want it to output then get a breakout cable (Most use a DB15 port (like VGA), some use a Sega Saturn-style connetor). You can also use direct video through the HDMI port, but this means you can't use HDMI and analog at the same time.It can output up to 1440p over HDMI, the HDMI connection is pretty good>>12024376Yes, there are analog boards with optical out>>12024451Previous batches of the Pi did not include the WiFi/Bluetooth dongle, the current one (Batch 5) does if you get the full set (the $185 Turbo one), though the dongle itself is also just $5 from there if you get a cheaper option that does not include it.>>12024540Yes, some sell them already in a case, and if not just about all of them have 3D printable cases.>>12024574Add the cost of an Expansion Pak and Summercart at the minimum and it already costs more than a MiSTer, and that's not counting if you also want an HDMI and/or RGB mod.
>>12023496>If you don't own/order one by this point, you're just a dumbass.but I have the consoles already...
>>12027783BUY. AN. AD.
>>12027947I'm literally answering questions you autistic fuck
>>12027783Do you need a special cable to connect to a CRT? Does it have AV outputs? My CRT only has coaxial and AV inputs.
>>12027971Depending on what kind of MiSTer you get it will have different analog ports, most use a VGA or Sega Saturn-like port. After that you just need a cable that goes from whatever analog port your MiSTer has to the format you want it output in. You set it in software what format it will output analog in.Also "coaxial and AV" doesn't really explain what type of inputs those are, I am assuming you mean RF and composite?This is the most common device to get both component and composite out of a MiSTerhttps://ultimatemister.com/product/ultimate-vga-to-component/Note that despite the color of the ports, those are NOT audio ports. You will need to use a standard Y cable that has a headphone jack on one end and the red and white RCA audio jacks on the other for audio.Note that I am just posting this one as an example, there are many different ones by different sellers at different pricepoints, and with different features (Such as having composite and S-Video instead of composite and component).
>>12027979>you mean RF and compositeYeah, the 90s TV hookups. Looks like picrel.>You will need to use a standard Y cable that has a headphone jack on one end and the red and white RCA audio jacks on the otherSo like a female-composite to male-headphone jack (auxiliary) splitter? Do I need to run that through a digital to analog audio converter before the television?Thanks for answering my questions.
>>12028010>So like a female-composite to male-headphone jack (auxiliary) splitter? Do I need to run that through a digital to analog audio converter before the television?Nah, you would just need something like this. Pretty standard cable for years.
>>12023496>paying for an emulator
>>12023496Could you please put mister in the thread titles so my filters can hide your emulator threads.
>>12028365Wow, you must have a laughably shitty filter script
>>12028375Seethe. No one wants your paid emulators.
>>12028010The SS1 is you best version of Mister if you want composite or component. It has all tv outputs in one mini console case and is cheaper than buying a normal mister and adding clunky RCA plug add-on or VGA adapter cables.
>>12028376The emulators are free dipshit
>>12028569If you need specialized hardware, they aren't free.
>>12028618Software emulators don't run on thin air
>>12028727No, they run on computers, smart phones, and other consoles. Outside of extreme poverty if you want to run a software emulator, you already have the hardware needed. Why pay $200 more? Profound mental retardation.
How do you get this to work with JAMMA?
>>12028851You would be surprised how many people don't have computers anymore, and emulating on cellphones is the most normie shit experience ever.
>>12028891Jamma expander but they are expensive and always sold out. I kind of wish taki would make one and help bring the price down.
>>12028907>it's normie shitSo perfectly fine then.
>>12028919I havent checked if the aliexpress jamma adapters work with the mister pi board but they are a lot better price.
>>12024852does the memory card slot support original ps1 memcard?
>>12029163>QMTechThere is a chance it might not, the QMTech boards have a slightly different pinout on their GPIO ports than the Terasic and Taki boards, which makes them incompatible with other's Analog or Digital I/O boards, and vice-versa. Are there any on Aliexpress that are intended for Terasic boards and not QM boards?
>>12029180Yes, PocketStations and Memcard Pros as well. You can also use virtual memorycards if you want and have it auto-assign a virtual card per-game like the Memcard Pro does. (Though the memcard pro can't auto-switch like it can with an ODE on a real PS1 unless you use a hacked BIOS)
>>12023975How good is the n64 emulation compared to retroarch? Can I run AA, smoothing and upscale the resolution as I can with other emulators?
>>12029189thanks, i really want to order the SS Batch 3 but in between jobs right now, do you think it will be limited quantity and sell out in the future?
>>12023496honestly 4k & shaders have spoiled me; at this point I wouldn't buy one unless I was going to hook it up to a crt
>>12028907>most people don't have pcYes but they have smart tv that allow emu apps to be downloaded and played, worst you will spend is 15 dollars for a blutooth joypad to play and still will be cheaper and better.Or you can try to get a cheap PC for less then that and will have superior hardware.>pentium D 3.2 Ghz>Gpu AMD radeon 2 GB>2 GB ram DDR>nvme ssd 128 GB>80 dollars.
>>12023496If you're gonna keep shilling MiSTer Pi to people mildly interested in FPGA emulation, then at least have the decency to recommend that they buy a power supply with an inline switch, because using this thing without a dedicated on/off button just isn't feasible. This is the only one I've found that isn't a total gamble and actually cuts off current when it's "off"
>>12029332>gold medal winner in mental gymnastics: /vr/ mistercoper thread #9001
>>12029309>at this point I wouldn't buy one unless I was going to hook it up to a crtCongrats, you're not retarded.
>>12029372That kind of pc can be used for other stuff unlike your mister shill.Playing dragon ball xenoverse 2 on it along several emus using windows embedded as well taito type X games that need that hardware.Can you play super street fighter 4 arcade TTX on mister? Because i can on those specs.
>>12023943>Other than that, I'll stick to my gaming PC, original consoles and console minis>console minisDoesn't your wife's son prefer the Retron V?
>>12024852Where to buy it? and What consoles does it supports as well as other apps?
>>12029416I didn't even know the mental gymnastics marathon was an event, but you're sure to take gold in that as well.
>>12027779Buy an ad
>>12029489I dont want to post a direct link but if you search for "super station one" or "SS1 mister" there is a site with pre-orders for the third batch shipping early 2026."retroremake" is the brand.>What consoles does it supports as well as other appsIt's a normal mister FPGA, so it plays the same consoles and arcade games up the 5th gen. Its the same device as in OP pic, just with more onboard IO (composite and components, and optical audio included, plus the built in playstation controller ports)
>>12023496Which MiSTer kit would be the best out of the box "Christmas gift" to someone who's only gaming is pulling out their old systems every few years? Something that has simple HDMI out and good controller conpatibility? Soldered RAM is a drawback if it breaks down obviously but is there a foreseeable need to upgrade it for future core compatibility?If I get a decent bonus this year I know someone that might be happy with one of these.
>>120296251) no guarantee the current pre-order shipment lands by christmas, the overseas manufacturing and stuff is still kind of in turmoil2) only playing every few years as a casual gamer, on LCD no less? No need for enthusiast-tier product with FPGA and RGB out. Its come down in price but still wasted in that situation.I would got for a cheaper option in that case, something currently off-the-shelf.
>>12029332>Recommending a Pentium with 2GB of RAM in 2025Holy fuck you're retarded, thanks for winning my argument for me.
>>12029203>Can I run AA, smoothing and upscale the resolution as I can with other emulators?No, it's not meant to enhance games, it's meant to try to run them as accurate to the original as possible. While many of the codes so have some enhancement options for both the CPU and video hardware, you aren't going to make it render N64 games at 1080p, that's not what it's designed for.>>12029246Possibly. Taki's first few batches of the standard MiSTer sold out pretty quickly, but they have been selling out slower and slower since. The current batch has been up for several days now when the first ones old out in minutes. That being said, the SuperStation is a different type of product than the MiSTer and will likely be in more demand, at least initially. Taki isn't planning to ever stop selling his stuff, just that it can take months between restocks.>>12029349That's not a PD-compatible switch though. While Taki recommends a non-PD power supply to lower heat output from the voltage regulator, I have found that a non-PD supply can have trouble delivering enough power if you have a lot or power hungry accessories connected, so keep that in mind. I don't think the heat is that much of an issue, that's what the fan is for. I even set my fan to volts so it runs quieter, though I did replace it with a Noctua fan. (Note that standard 12v PC fans won't work, you need a 5V fan. Noctua does make 5v variants of some of their fans. And of course, plenty of other brands do too.)>>12029489>Where to buy it?Taki's store>and What consoles does it supports as well as other apps?Everything the MiSTer does, it's basically a MiSTer in a PSOne shaped case with some extra features built in.>>12029625Not sure if you can get them in time for Christmas but I would say either the SuperStation One or the Multisystem 2.That bein said, if the person is only infested in playing retro games a few times a year they might be better off with something cheaper.
i've gotta say the mister shill here is so passionate that i have to believe he does it for free, no paid shill would be this exhaustive in their persistence
>>12029731>that's not what it's designed for.N64 has an option to render 480i content at 480p, as does the PS1 core and if more logic elements were available the dev would include rendering in higher resolutions in a heartbeat. It's just as designed for enchancements as a software emulator, only the current spec of the DE-10 is preventing more of this stuff being included.
>>12029625Buy a dual ram build if you care about Saturn.
>>12031005This idea of a shill for an open source project is bizzarre, the company that makes the DE10 its based on didnt intend for it to even be used this way and the educational board used was sold at a low cost for students, I am surprised they continued to produce it after all these years. Mister is the software, not the hardware and it is and always was free. The mister kits and add on hardware are made by multiple people, mostly in small artisinal batches which is what led to the initial high costs. More manufacturers joined in later which brought the costs down and ideally they all work towards the same standard, but some like QMtech apparently have some compatability issues with certain accessories.
>>12031027dual ram isn't required or even beneficial for any core atm. It's mostly just for future cores like Jaguar or some computer cores maybe.
>>12031045>This idea of a shill for an open source project is bizzarreSomeone gets the money people pay for a mister, right?
>>12031080It's no different than people selling emulator machines.Are they shilling FB NEO and Snes9x? Retard.
>>12031089Someone is getting the money you're paying for a product.
>>12031080Some company on ali express?The manufacturer of the cyclone FPGA chip (the one who doesnt even know mister exists, which was Intel until they sold it in April)?The makers of the free software?Which of the above are "paying us"?
>>12031093Retard.
>>12031074It's very much beneficial for Saturn. Otherwise a huge number of of 3D games chug without enabling the nasty speed hack which is horribly inaccurate. I accidentally downloaded the single ram build a couple of times and thought my MiSter was broken as it was so obviously inferior to dual performance.
>>12031095>The product costs money... but no one gets it! therefore it's impossible to shill it!
>>12029592the only ones making mental gymnastics are mister shillers and no one else.>Hey is running on hardware, is a hardware emulator but isn't an emulator.>This is more precise then software emulation because is emulating the hardware but it isn't a n emulator.>Is open source so accuracy is dependant on yourself but the hardware emulation is precise but isn't an emulator.>The price isn't that much and if you don't want to buy one you can make it on your own, so the price is good enough for an fpga that isn't an emulator.>>12029708If is running windows embedded it can get the job done, unless you are too retarded to even realize the benefits of windows embedded or requirements for almost any taito type X game that are those.but thanks for proving you are retarded and tech illiterate, mister with luck has 1 GB ram top and is a bad one that will burn in months, the cheapest mister one is 256 MB ram (in 2025) for 200 dollars.
>>12031120>retroarch is free open source project but the hardware it runs on costs moneySame thing. Your choice and manufacurer of the android device doesnt matter. "Mister" is the software, and multiple vendors make compatible hardware. The only difference between retroarch and mister is that one runs on virtually any chipset, and the other needs hardware using a specific cyclone fpga chip. Otherwise both are open source software projects used to play roms.
>no one ever shills open source projectsI reckon you've never browsed /g/
>>12031097How long ago was this? Years ago they were doing dual ram build, but lately they've focused entirely on single ram as that is like 99% of the userbase
>>12031141/g/ has enthusiasts who go into autistic obsession with open source projects but no one is getting rich off them. Shilling means being paid to promote a product. /g/ does it for free.
>>12024016>lagless support for CRTs and original controllersUnfortunately a lot of the original controllers are either showing their age at this point (especially N64), or weren't comfortable to begin with (NES).
>>12031152No, they release dual and single ram builds and have done since around this time last year when it became clear the single's bottlenecks could not be resolved on current hardware."Unfortunately slowdown can't be fixed for single sdram build. Some fighting games (Dead or Alive, Fighters Megamix, Fighting Vipers) use a similar engine. This engine actively uses work ram (RAM-H) for polygon calculation. This ram is located in DDR3 chip in single sdram build. But ddram can not provide the necessary access speed as in the original hardware. That's why we have to make a second build with two sdram modules."Placing RAM-H and other memory groups in a dedicated space (second ram stick) means timings can be fulfilled without interruption, it's not perfect but a LOT better than single builds can manage (even with the hack) and affects a lot more games that just those mentioned too even if if they are where the speed difference is most obvious. The reason the speed hack exists on single is for this reason, that there is no way for things to improve in that area. So like I said, if you care about Saturn, buy a dual ram build.
>>12031195>if you care about Saturn, buy a dual ram build.more like if you care about a few extra frames in a few 3D fighters. Overwhelming vast majority of the library is not affected in the slightest.That quote you posted is from almost two years ago when Saturn was still extremely early in development.
>>12031237>more like if you care about a few extra frames in a few 3D fighters.Like I just said, it's a lot more than just those games, I played Daytona USA circuit edition and a few other 3D games with a mistakenly downloaded single core last month and thought my SD card or MiSter was was busted as the performace difference was so clearly worse.>That quote you posted is from almost two years ago when Saturn was still extremely early in development.It's from October last year and explains why we now have dual ram builds, it's a relevent today as it was then, nothing has changed.
>>12031268You must have some kind of issue with your SD card or RAM. I know some users have flickering with certain games from using chinkshit SD cards and chinkshit RAM that the core dev was unable to replicate on single RAM builds, they ran fine.Overwhelming vast majority of games run exactly identical on single ram, assuming that you have a proper SD card and non-chinkshit RAM. Just record video and compare the frame timings, they are identical
>>12031282If frame timings were identical SRG320 wouldn't have needed to make a dual ram build or create an inaccurate fast timing hack for single. There is no issue with my setup, I've already explained that the reason for seeing the obvious performance difference was mistakely using a single ram build when for the last year I had been using dual with correct performance. It clearly highlighted just how much the single is being bottlenecked in a lot of 3D games, not just the fighters.
>>12031303Dual ram build is for futureproofing and a few rare edge cases, a good probably 97% of the library is unaffected in any way, and of that 3% affected, most are very minor. Saturn core has had a ton of updates in the last year, and single RAM build is now essentially identical outside of a couple very intensive games. Similar to N64 core, where only a couple games are beyond the capabilities of DE-10 Nano and require patch fixes.
>>12031310>Dual ram build is for futureproofingDual ram is becuase single is bottlenecked by having too many things in DDR3. The benefits and reason it exists are for the hardware we are using right now, not just just for whatever comes next. If you care about Saturn, buy a dual ram build.
>>12031328>you care about Saturn, buy a dual ram build.Only if you care about losing a couple frames in a handful of 3D fighters. 97% of the library is unaffected, and that remaining 3% is almost all very minor. You are the only one claiming some noticeable difference between the two outside of a few rare edge cases
>>12031343>Only if you care about losing a couple frames in a handful of 3D fighers.And panzer dragoon, nights, daytona cce, decathlete, winter heat, burning rangers and all the other games people on discord have reported additional slowdowns or bugs with on single.>You are the only one claiming some noticeable difference between the twoBecause I actually have dual ram and having collcted Saturn for 20+ years know how things should perform on real hardware, so of course I notice the difference when I mistakely use single from time to time. Use dual like I do and you and anyone else will notice the difference too!If you care about Saturn, buy a dual ram build.
>>12031372>6 games allegedly affected out of 1000+ released>some random person on discord going "Idk, I think there was a tiny bit more slowdown here from when I played it 20 years ago)" is now considered a bug reportyou can't be serious.
>>12031392>>6 games allegedly"and all the other games"You really struggle to take in information despite it being repeated multiple times lol. >some random personTesters comparing and with knowledge of real hardware performance, not randoms.>is now considered a bug reportNo that stuff isn't a bug report, it's the difference between a core that is bottlenecked and one that isn't. Bugs for single don't even get reported most of the time as in the vast majority of cases the issue doesn't exist on dual, meaning there is no fix for single and the dev doesn't want to know.I think something like Yabause would be perfect for you, looks ok most of the time but doesn't really perform like real hardware, just right for casuals like you with no quality standards.
>>12031424>all the other games>but I won't name them>or provide evidence of these claims>and I certainly would never actually provide footage comparing anythingwhatever you say buddy>Yabause would be perfect for you>a dogshit, laggy, inaccurate emulator is totally the equivalent to a tiny handful of rare edge case games having very slightly worse framerate on the single ram corekek
>>12031438The evidence is in the existence of a dual ram core and a fast timings hack for single. Sorry that your bottlenecked build doesn't run at the correct speed for a ton of 3D content, hopefully you can save up enough money for a second ram stick one day, keep at it bro!>is totally the equivalent Like you could tell the difference!
>>12031472>The evidence is in the existence of a dual ram core and a fast timings hack for singleUsed for a small handful of games. Everything else is totally unaffected in any way
>>12024016>lowest input lagemulators can go lower, and the fastest arcade games have more lag than og on the mister
>>12031020Rendering 408i to 480p isn't much of a step, rendering it to 1080p however regardless of the size of the FPGA is. You would basically need to design a Super N64 and build a new GPU that's a more powerful version of the old one but still 100% compatible. Maybe if you had a team from Nvidia working on it...>>12031027Dual-RAM has some drawbacks though, biggest one being you can't use older Analog I/O boards, and the new ones still would have their analog outputs disabled. There is still a way to get analog out from a MiSTer with dual-RAM, but it requires giving up HDMI.>>12031074Dual-RAM has started to become fairly beneficial for the Saturn and Jaguar cores. Yeah, a few months ago dual-RAM was fairly useless as almost anything that used to benefit from it runs the same on single-RAM now, but the Saturn core seems like it won't be able to hit full accuracy on a single-RAM, though it will come very close. Same goes for Jaguar. Possibly CPS3 as well in the future.>>12031045It's just idiots who think anyone talking favorably about any device (or even just talking about it) is some hidden secret "shill", because you know, this board is so massive and active and has such a huge amount of people that would buy such products that there is no way every corporation on the planet isn't going to attempt to secretly shill here...That or your usual anti-FPGA trolls that have been screeching here for years.>>12031124Going for the platinum in mental gymnastics I see>>12031189Just use a SNES controller for NES, they are actually compatible, you can use a SNES SNAC adapter on NES if you don't want to build a SNES-to-NES adapter cable. There is even some NES homebrew and romhacks that can make use of the extra buttons.As for N64, I just put a hall effect stick in there.>>12031551You HAVE to be trolling at this point. Nobody can be this stupid unless it's on purpose.
>>12031658>emulators can go lowerusing hacky methods like run-ahead that massively increase input lag variance for a small improvement in raw input lag.Run-ahead doe nothing to fix an inherently laggy set-up, like monitor lag, controller lag, system lag, or V-Sync lag from using a 60Hz display (which even RetroArch is not playable on a 60Hz display without either unplayable screen tearing or 1-2 frames of V-Sync lag, it lacks MiSTer's equivalent of a low-lag V-Sync setting). >and the fastest arcade games have more lag than og on the misterbullfuckingshit. Some games may not run at full speed if they are at the limit of the DE-10's capabilities, but not running full speed is different from lag. Also dual ram can help with these games.
>>12023496why does nearly every single core on the entire MiSTer have some kind of turbo/overclocking/slowdown removal except for the fucking NES core, the most basic them all?I swear some of the fucking NES Mega Man games are unplayable with their slowdown when you've played without it.
>>12023496how many logic gates can this have in total?
>>12023496>Why is the meme that MiSTer is overpriced or expensive still regurgitated constantly?because the official Terasic DE10 Nano is expensive.
>>12031776>Also dual ram can help with these games.The only arcade core with a dual ram build is Sega STV for the same reasons as the Saturn core, nothing else.>>12031735>You would basically need to design a Super N64 and build a new GPU that's a more powerful version of the old one but still 100% compatible.1080 is off the table for the time being but the core dev said stable 480p rendering for 240p on PS1/N64 just needs a faster FPGA and more memory bandwidth, about 25% more than the DE-10 currently has, the GPU doesn't need to be rewritten.
>>12031915Well yes, 480p would be possible, the anon I was replying to said "Can I run AA, smoothing and upscale the resolution as I can with other emulators?" so I assumed they meant rendering at 1080p or 4K like in a software emulator.
>>12023501Fpbp
>>12023496>>12024016Hey retards, if you want to sell your gay little emulator machine why did you give it such a gay name? Apart from it being redundant because everybody already owns 10 devices that can run emulators, that name is embarassing. What am I gonna tell my friends? >yeah this is my MISTER it's a raspberry pi, but for hipstersI'll pass lol. No wonder you have to make ad threads, calling people retards for not buying your product. Thats hilarious
