Why were they so unfinished?Melee just took 1 year to make. Why did the Mario and Zelda team fail so hard to live up to the expectations left by the previous Nintendo 64 titles?
>>12044827>Why did the Mario and Zelda team fail so hard to live up to the expectations left by the previous Nintendo 64 titles?Windu Waika only problem was its art direction. Imagine the same exact game but with Majora's Mask art direction... faggots would called it the best Zelda and would have sold a gorillion GayCubes.Sunshine was too experimental. FLUDD was a good idea. Sunshine should have been a game for a different character; Luigi's Sunshine should have been Luigi's Mansion sequel.Super Mario 64 DS should have been a GameCube title: Super Mario 64 2.t.xbox dudebro
>>12044851>Windu Waika only problem was its art directionThe problem is the difficulty is set for toddlers, there's literally zero challenge tot he game. They could have at least included a Master Quest.>Sunshine was too experimental. FLUDD was a good idea. Sunshine should have been a game for a different character; Luigi's Sunshine should have been Luigi's Mansion sequel.That would have been better.
>>12044873>The problem is the difficulty is set for toddlersI have to admit it might be a bit too challenging for toddlers, but Zelda games are designed for teenagers and parents to enjoy together with their kids.Wind Waker art style and Rare's departure felt like the writing on the wall for many N64 tendies just like me. I imagine other N64 fags might feel the same way. Many Xbox dudebros started out as N64 fags.Back then, Wind Waker made the GameCube seem like a "child faggot" console, leading many N64 tendies to dodged it and switch to Xbox due to Rare. Over time, however, the GameCube has become a beloved console among trannies, manchildren and that kind of mentally ill scum.It's unfortunate because I would have loved to play Metroid Prime, Star Fox Adventures, F-Zero GX, and 1080 Avalanche, but I skipped them entirely because I judged the whole console based on how goofy and childish Wind Waker seemed.tl;drWind Waker with Majora's Mask's art style might have been the key to saving the Saturn.
I think windwakers artstyle is great and liked it back then too. I just think its too unfinished and too easy
>>12044943probably playing for their audience
>>12044938>I judged the whole console based on how goofy and childish Wind Waker seemed.it wasn't just windwaker. nintendo made it clear from the start that their new console was primarily for children. it took years for games aimed at older gamers to come out. i had no faith in the console at all until my friend showed me fatal frame. nintendo has always been very conservative and when they were faced with stiff competition from playstation2 and xbox, they went back to what they do best- make games for kids. they played it safe.
The first portion of Wind Waker is the best damn Zelda game there's ever been.But it falls apart after that. I'm not sure if it's enough to unbalance the experience but it's significantly worse.
>>12044943For me is the sailing that ruins it, I want to walk and explore not sit looking at a glorified loading screen
>>12044851>Windu Waika only problem was its art direction.The dungeons fucking suck
>>12044827>Melee just took 1 year to make.And?Meanwhile every Smash game has at least 15-30 things that got dropped from the final release. Even then, it's apples and oranges.
>>12044827>Melee just took 1 year to make.couldn't happen without a few sacrifices.
>>12049701Let's not forget how hardcore Zelda fans got monkey pawed hard over Ganondorf, where his overwhelming demand got Sakurai and Aonuma panicking over the little time they had, so they reached a compromised and used his Spaceworld model over Falcon for something fun but milquetoast.
>>12049012>The dungeons fucking suck Twilight Princess out of nowhere.In fact, that game also support his point.
>>12044827Well yeah, Melee is an asset dump meanwhile Wind Waker and Sunshine are like 99% original assets so that's obviously going to take more time
>>12049003As do the dungeon music themes. In fact can you remember a single one?
>>12049796Mario and Zelda should have shared assets like they did in the n64 but no shitty art style zelda had to fuck that up too
>>12044827Melee is a buggy fucking mess what are you talking about?
>>12050001So was Mario 64, and Shitshine is ridden with the worse kind of bugs to justify.No i didn't play Melee, but i can see why people would prefer that over the other two games. It's putrid.
>>12044827>unfinishedNot an argument. You have no idea how many games were released unfinished back in the day.>>12044851>>12044938LARP faggot confirmed
