Campaign, skirmish, coop, ums. Discuss.Fav solo map? Fav faction? Fav unit compositions?
>>12050990C&C fag here. Never played SC before, is campaign worth trying out?
>>12051012As a fellow C&C fag, Starcraft campaign has good story. Campaign maps themselves are a bit dry compared to Red Alert or Tiberian Sun: no proper neutral factions, no civillian buildings, no secrets (that I know of), much less scripting. They feel more like skirmish with pre-built bases and occasional scripts. But core SC gameplay really makes up for it. It's just very fun and solid.
>>12050990For me it's stimmed marines + medics. Vanilla SC feels too weird without medics
Terran 2 bgm is best
>>12051132Zerg have the best music
>>12050990So far the Zerg are the most fun for my but I haven't started the Protoss campaign yet The campaigns have been a pretty brisk challenge due to the sheer volume of units that the cpu can throw at you. I've had to rethink my army composition a dozen times, which is one of those moments of frustration that would have filtered child me but gives a new sense of satisfaction persevering through it. Luckily they rarely attack your base in the campaignRandom maps they hit you hard early
>>12051012>C&CSo this one is next on my list being an AOE kid growing up and just now getting into starcraft huh?
Anyone here main Protoss?
>>12051161C&C is based, especially Tiberian Sun. The gameplay is far more simple than SC: almost zero micro, simple tech trees, no major difference between factions, no unit upgrades other than veterancy system, no rock-paper-scissors. But the missions are tons of fun: multiple obectives, hidden objectives, lots of scripting, some puzzle elements. Also I like how the games are detailed where SC is not: building animations, units coming out of production factories, physics simulation, projectiles are actual projectiles that can sometimes be outmaneuvered, explosion debris can cause damage, air units requre structures to dock and reload etc.Ironically I've never played an AoE game but I played Galactic Battlegrounds which iirc is AoE2 with a Star Wars skin, at least this is what some reviewers said.
>>12051193I can't decide, I play all three factions casually
>>12051218>Galactic Battlegrounds which iirc is AoE2 with a Star Wars skinYep I played that one and thought the same.AoE 1 and 2 are very soulful games. It sounds like they're a middle ground between SC and C&C.The AoE1 Campaign is really spread out, lots of odd scenarios like starting with one priest and needing to convert villagers to build your base. or Just having a single troop of soldiers and needing to get through the entire map. Not much scriptingAoE2 campaign has incredible scripting and voice acting. It's a beautiful game with different voice snippets for units of each Civ. Several major regional building varieties. Top 5 games easily
>>12051417>>12051218Damn, I'll have to check out Galactic. Didn't realize was the same engine
>>12051417There's actually no scripting in AoE1 iirc which has a certain charm in of itself
I replay it every once in awhile but its been decades since I played StarCraft in it's virgin form, balance is adjusted with brood war multiplayer in mind so I would like to replay the original vanilla campaign without the patches as it was originally envisioned to see if it feels significantly different.Can someone direct me to a copy of the game without the expansion?
>>12050990Love it. Been playing it casually since last year. Even got my brother to play 1v1 with me (I give him a 3min handicap because he can't win otherwise).Finished episodes 1-3, then the Enslavers campaign, now I'm doing episodes 4-6, currently on the mission where you invade Korhal. After that I want to give Enslavers part 2 a try, heard it's super difficult.>>12051193Protoss is my main but can play Terrans decently too. I'm really bad with Zerg, I'm dreading reaching episode 6.
>>12051037>Campaign maps themselves are a bit dry compared to Red Alert or Tiberian SunI don't agree with this at all! Starcraft maps are so much more robust than C&C levels. Every Red Alert or Tib Sun map is just you vs the 1 computer player. Starcraft maps make an effort to have solid in-game scripting and story beats and are also just balanced better with objectives and foes. I don't think there was a single C&C level that had you fight two separate computer opponents while SC1 has levels where you are fighting up to 4 AI.
>>12050990I legit have only played starcraft on an n64
>>12051813To Tame the Beast is fucking brutal. I've never been able to get past it without cheats. You start out in a base with very few minerals, so you can't just spam static defense while you build up and upgrade your army. Seems like the solution is to take the nearby base as quickly as possible, but it's well defended and you get attacked regularly on top of that. Then I guess drops or muta spam into the enemy's island from there. I'm just not quick enough to do all that before I run out of resources.
>>12052895Install battle.net and you can play SC1 for free. You can't play ranked matches but the whole campaign is there for you
>>12051012absolutely, it really peaks with brood war.
>>12053321Brood war's campaign is vastly inferior to StarCraft vanilla's. You can say it's more challenging and diverse but it's not better
>>12053374I always lose interest in BW campaign during the first few missions, still haven't finished it to this day despite beating the vanilla campaign twice, playing the terran campaign a good dozen times and clocking hundreds of hours in the game otherwise. I'm probably just retarded but nothing about the characters or scenarios grab me like Jimmy and company's adventures do in the original terran campaign.
>>12053437BW campaign is way more difficult. I love new tilesets though, especially Korhal.>>12052887I mean, in C&C games you may have objectives like infiltrate enemy base, avoiding the patrols and waiting for an opening, take out the power plants to disable the defense towers on the other part of the map so that your reinforcements may arrive. Then you may have some secret objectives like capture a train instead of destroying it so that you have an extra mission where you ride the train and then take out another enemy base to weaken the enemy in the next mission. Or like that mission in Covert Ops where you start completely surrounded with no money and no power and you have to sneak that stealth unit around enemies to find a money crate before you may start doing something. And then there are civillians, civillian vehicles and civillian buildings that may have hidden powerup crates. Enemy have many scripts as well like specific teams attacking you from specific sides.In SC campaign maps are mostly barren like mp maps with an occasional critter or two. Objectives are either kill all enemies or bring some thing to a beacon inside the enemy base and then defend it for some time while the enemy attacks you in waves. BW campaign has more scripting though, almost on par with C&C. Like the beginning of the UED Ground Zero mission which is pure kino.
>>12053137SC1 is ugly as fuck on battle net. Better play 1.16.1 version with a ddraw wrapper.
>>12053609Almost forgot I could use integer scaling here
>>12050990Why are blizzard threads getting more and more embarassing
>>12053710Be the change you want to see. Start a not embarrassing thread for once
>>12050990Is it fun to play against CPUs? Never played it when it was out, don't wanna pay Blizzard.
>>12053609link it
>>12053882Play the campaign
>>12053882Depends on how you view CPU opponents in RTS games in general. If you don't care about solo experience being too different from playing against real people, like compfags do, then Starcraft is fine. CPU won't use comp meta against you of course but it knows some unit composition tricks.
>>12053885https://mega.nz/file/rwFUAR6b#v77KBzHx8wgEES75k4JpAHpFhszvKqSKZ3eXj7CBng0I don't remember is there is a wrapper in this archive. In case there is none, google DdrawCompat
I think it's lame how Protoss get all friendly with Jim. Ruins their mysterous image.
>>12050990I will definitely say that if anyone here wonders if Starcraft is worth it, it wouldn't hurt to download the free version for battle net and try it.As an ancient being in my 30s I remember all the hype around this game and what a mainstream blockbuster title this was. It's become so obscure over time and as an old person, this feels weird to observe.I prefer the campaign and my favorite faction is terran for the familiarity, followed by protoss for the strength.
>>12051012God I want to replay Red Alert bad
>>12053893>DdrawCompatI found cnc-ddraw to be the better choice, at least when I last played StarCraft. Nicer scaling options and even CRT shaders if you want them.
>>12053927Whether it's the DOS or Windows version you can easily just play it, along with all of the other C&C games.
>>12050990Any of you dudes still play TA?
>>12053996I am just more used to DdrawCompat for my retro PC gaming.cnc-ddraw has more options indeed but it also is more hacky, with many games requiring specific hacks set in the config to work correctly or numerous framerate/timing issues. Have they fixed menu scaling in Tiberian Sun yet? DdrawCompat just werks without issues with most games. Like if you check issues tracker on cnc-ddraw github chances are, most of these games work on DdrawCompat.You're right though, this doesn't really matter in Starcraft case, it works great with either one.
For me, it's Zerg
>>12054193I used to play Protoss but now I live for the swarm
>>12054205Fully upgraded zerglings or fully upgraded hydralisks?
>>12054006I played a bit during GOG's giveaway but got frustrated with the campaigns. Departing Rougepelt in the Core campaign is outright broken, with gunships attacking you 30 seconds after mission starts, thanks to the damn asteroid showers. Never managed to beat it
How do you feel about the 3rd party expansions? I got stuck on Insurrection's last Protoss mission and put the game down for a while, still need to finish it. Some of the mission are kinda wonky, but I was more or less enjoying it.
Insurrection has cringekino voice acting and a ridiculously goofy story that makes it kinda fun, but the actual map design is pretty unacceptable, especially the DUDE 256x256 LMAO maps. Retribution has slightly more competent mission design but has a practically nonexistent story, just chasing some boring MacGuffin for literally every mission of every campaign. Neither is worth playing other than for novelty's sake.
>>12054736>>12054765Never played a 3rd party campaign. Is there a must-play one?
>>12054870No, the two listed are the only third party campaigns officially approved by Blizzard and neither is very good. I will say you might want to try out Enslavers I and II, they're custom campaigns but made by Blizzard so they're a little more professional and actually kinda tough.
Zerg 3 (New Dominion) is annoying. You have to spam mutas to avoid tank fires, then run into shitloads of marines, and your base is secretly ambushed, and can mine out the entire shit before ctlreating a proper force. The worst map in the zerg campaign.Protoss 7 (Homeland) is the worst map in the game, no proper objectives and constant harrassment by reavers, etc. If you try beating enemies regularly, you will lose, you have to go for one nexus in a lame ambzsh way to win. Fuck this map
>>12055007Yeah Zerg 3 is definitely the hardest Zerg mission in OG Starcraft, I think I usually poke up the ramp in the far north with some Zerglings to distract the dumb AIs' infantry so I can pick off all the Siege Tanks with Mutalisks, not sure how else you're supposed to do it. If your Muta micro sucks then tough luck I guess. I always cheese Protoss 7 by just immediately taking all the Dark Templar south and then east and right clicking the Nexus because Zeratul does like a gorillion damage, so I wouldn't even know what to do normally.
I just finished Starcraft. Fuck Protoss mission 7! Those assholes attack you constantly and have carriers and arbiters but you don't, the only advantage you have is the dark templars but the enemy spams observers everywhere to make sure you can't have any fun with them. Money was tight too until I noticed the expansion slightly to the east.Then it became much easier because you get Carriers. Just turtle up until you can make some carriers, then attack with them. Only, fuck those wiggly assholes that cast the red shit! It's so gay they can permanently reduce your units to like 1 hp with one button. These last missions really, really like to fill the map with massive enemy bases with almost unending resources but fortunately most of them can be won by killing just one or two buildings. Pic related. A scourge bait group (fuck those guys too!) of some scouts and a dropship did the trick. Just went in with a group of carriers and killed the last guy. Raynor was left behind sitting on his hands because his ship is too slow and Yamato doesn't do enough damage to be worth it. Results screen said I had 1 razing, it was either the overmind or a queen's nest I think I picked off earlier
>>12055007>>12055027>>12055040Homeland is the hardest mission in the OG campaign IMO, but IIRC I just went mass zealots and dragoons, took out the red base to the southwest, then went for the orange base. Only then I learned that taking out the orange Nexus instantly ends the mission. Once you know that you can finish it in 2 minutes with the dark templars.The remaining Protoss missions you just go mass Carriers, nothing beats that. But I like to halluc some to bait any scourge around
>>12053893This clean anon? Been looking for a version untainted by modern Blizzard for a while.
>>12055701I made it myself from og disks. If you don't trust anon then get the disk images from Myrient. The 1.16.1 patch can be easily found with Google.
>>12055814I trust you bastards more than most. Ty Anon.
Loved this on my n64
>>12053882there are lots of great "UMS" maps you can play 1v1 against CPUs like individual turret/lurker/rine D
Best themehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOS1TKdlOPw
>>12056208All the tracks are great, but man Terran has some absolute fucking bangers. I still find myself thinking about them from time to time for absolutely no reason, they're that good. Not retro and this will be a hot take here, but I think almost the same of SC2 Terran's songs, different though they are in style. The other races' songs are nowhere near as good, but somehow they still nailed Terran.
I will never stop thinking about how Starcraft and TibSun are both Dune II successors that went separate ways and how much I love all three.
>>12054193>"we are evolved to be... le perfection">has huge scythes for arms that aren't used for anythingwhat did the overmindless mean by this?
>>12056283They use them as a melee attack in SC2.
>>12056283How do you think they cut their food?
>>12055985Is there any good archive with essential UMS maps?
>>12056283>aren't used for anythingYou never watched a single starcraft cinematic?
You want a piece of me, boy?
>>12056540NTA, but in-game they just spit, and they look like they should be melee units. As a kid the first time I used them I was very surprised to learn they were ranged units, especially because of the cutscenes. It's a bizarre design choice to make a ranged unit look like that.
>>12056674Queens have bigass mammoth tusks and all they do is shoot goo and bugs at people.
>>12056674Some weapons were changed before the release. Goliaths had flamethrowers originally.
>>12056649psst ahhh that's the stuff
>>12056283They're for burowing.
>>12056540Starcraft cinematics are weird because they were made in 1996-1997, before many unit designs were finalized
>>12056279Tiberian Sun is sovl
>>12057157Zerglings from the Amerigo cutscene looked like Hydras with legs
>>12056464scmscx.com
>>12050990Why do you make these thread when Blizzard General exists, faggot?
This thread is full of fags
>>12057262Why not have a look at the current state of that fine thread and see for yourself?
'member when 'korean starcraft clone' was a genre?
>>12057286What game
>manufacturing criticism so you can respond to yourselfsure is jewish in here
>>12053893ty anon
>>12057262>>12057273nobody play starcraft with this guyhe needs to work on himself
Why would I post in blizz general if I don't care about diablo and shit like vikings, blackthorne or whatever? I'd maybe post in rts general if such thread did exist.
>>12057336i dunno, talk about starcraft, a blizzard game that you like? perso ally i dont give a fuck, have an sc thread why not but its kind of funny how hard youre seething and samefagging just because there were like 3 posts that noticed weird blizzard threads popping up after cbg threads. just calm down and post about sc instead of shitting on a rubber cock every 10 seconds
>>12057286Atrox, one of the better ones
>>12057356>meltylel this nigga went to the sharty during the outage
>>12057347>i dunno, talk about starcraftI am doing exactly that, thanks
>>12053893>>12054040Anyone knows how to get ddrawcompat work under wine? It just crashes for me
>>12057376>being a linuxfagouch
>>12057157Starcraft pre-release builds are my holy grail
>"prepped and ready"
>>12057407>dropships are le bigMakes sense desu
>>12057407
>>12057379Calm your tits, it's my work laptop
>>12057434why the fuck would you ever use linux for work, and if you're supposed to be working then why are you playing games on it penischild?
>>12057417listening to their death yells got me horny when i was a kid
>>12057446>"whyyy whyyy"Ask your mommy
>>12057419Everything was big
>>12058320Is this Char?
>damn, you're ugly
core starcraft general
>>12058368General is the other way, brotha
>>12057420They wanted to make more emphasis on space battles
>>12057172What's the best way to play it nowadays?
>>12058380There is a community cncnet version with custom launcher and multiplayerhttps://cncnet.org/tiberian-sunAlternatively, if you just need a no frills portable version, then I have you coveredhttps://mega.nz/file/r1lGECLI#Rhetpr2SBHPN6DCaEdQvEnfGc40AMptQxSuvHsIGX_gThrow DdrawCompat in there and set FPS limiter to msgloop 60 to fix scrolling
>>12057420That guardian design looks much cooler than the crab we ended up with
>>12053918the point of the story was the protoss weren't friendly at all. Tassadar was cast away from the society for feeling compassion for humans. It's just all other protoss factions were wiped out.
>>12058446Thank you anon
>>12054006>I am forgotten...
>>12058362Based intro cinematic
>>12058859Is it actually good though?
>>12059064It's fine but god the first few missions are slog
>>12058362Was that a protoss carrier in the intro?
>>12059479Kinda. It was the protocarrier as in that thing >>12057420
>>12054006I always thought TA is kind of bland
>>12059673WDYM? TA is great
>>12058320They look like they are wearing blue bikini
