Is there any point in getting a PS1 if a PS2 (early models at least) can play almost all of its games natively? Seems a bit redundant.
>>12053153Not unless you're going to be playing whatever shitty obscure game won't run correctly on a PSdouble.
>>12053153>Is there any point in getting a PS2 if a PC (early models at least) can emulate almost all of its games natively? Seems a bit redundant
>>12053161but it's not authentic o algo
>>12053161Lot of games with emulation issues on PS2 emulation, and a lot still can't run full speed without a high spec pc by today's standards.
>>12053153No doom werks on ps2 but its just snes doom pressed on cd
>>12053153I remember ps2 emulation of ps1 not being flawless. I'd stick to the original. Also those glassy ps1 cases were soul
>>12053153For me it's because playing PS1 games via USB on PS2 is a bit janky, so I just bought a cheap PS1 which I'll eventually mod with an ODE.It's kind of unnecessary because I also like using Duckstation, but it was a good deal on the hardware so I just bought it for the fun of it. (It was sold as 'for parts' but just needed the fuse to be replaced).
>>12053230Pretty sure it was just PS1 hardware on the board kind of like early PS3 models had PS2 hardware onboard.
>>12053230PS2 plays PS1 games using native hardware you fuck-witted shit-gibbon - read OP's post. FFS.
>>12053276i was using emulation as a broad term you retarded frog nigger, it was still not 100% flawless, you'd know that if you were born back then.
>>12053282>I'm 34 but whateverI know full well that PS2 doesn't have "flawless" PS1 playback. It's still not emulation. You're doing the Inigo Montoya meme where you aren't using the right word. The ignorance is palpable.
>>12053183>a lot still can't run full speed without a high spec pc by today's standardsBy third world standards maybe. A 10 year old PC can emulate practically all PS2 games at full speed
>>12053287>it's not emulation>can't play ps1 games flawlesslyI accept your concession. Final (You) you're getting from me you waste of oxygen.
>>12053153Playing pirated PS1 games on PS2 is still kind of shitty, even more so if you have a fat.
>>12053282got any examples of PS2 not flawlessly playing PS1 games?
>>12053276>>12053287Emulation is a real word you idiot nigger, it doesn't just apply to software trying to mimic hardware.
you can softmod or ode a real psxa ps2 you either need a modchip or one of the late fat models that mechapwn is compatible with
>>12053153I do it for the bios music, everything else is extrahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnvbH0Jid-4
Where do I go to fund a PS2 ODE that will play games off a usb? Im serious
>>12053304I played Persona 2 EP and it had occasional text glitches. This was with a real disc, too.
>>12053183why are you stuck in 2015i have a 10 year old pc and run everything flawlessly with pcsx2, at most you'll have to use software mode to correct some small graphical glitch that happens in 0.01% of games if it really bothers you
>>12053304https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/915821-playstation-2/80683024
>>12053304it's been 25 years so i don't exactly have specific titles in mind, no.
>>12053305Calm down. I never said it wasn't a real word. I was saying emulation =/= native hardware.
>>12053301Still haven't addressed the fact that PS2 plays PS1 games NATIVELY but okay, sure you win. Whatever makes you sleep better.
>>12053345>>12053276the gpu was emulated
>>12053368Not on the fats. No one cares about the slims.
>>12053382>Not on the fatssource?
>>12053345It doesn't play them natively though; the GPU is emulated. You can read about it from the jap that programmed it.https://freelansations.medium.com/the-story-of-the-ps2s-backwards-compatibility-from-the-engineer-who-built-it-ec39cf5a0353
>>12053153play backups with xstation
>>12053439DELETE THIS
>>12053153Only if you're using real games or willing to roll the dice with mechapwn. psx with xstation can be put together for under 100 (console included) or you know how to solder. It was a no brainer for me. Xstation is flawless
>>12053304rollcage stage 2 has some menu corruption
Duckstation and PCSX2 are so good now that I can't imagine using original consoles anymore, especially the PS2 which has worse hardware quality than the Xbox 360.
>>12053153My two cents on this one. A PS1 isn't that great to have unless you wanna be brave and do the X-Station mod with a fuck ton of soldering, or you wanna swap discs by booting into Tony Hawk with Tony Hax. I believe there is also a way you can swap discs if you time it just right with the Sony Playstation logo as well apparently but you'll have to do more research on this.The PS2 is a good option if you're ok with using the laser for games. I personally use PSX-Pi with a Raspberry Pi 3B+ but as a result I would have to use weird workarounds to play PSX games that are patched a specific way. I am too lazy to bother with that route so I just use a MisterPi for PSX games (and everything else from NES, SNES, Genesis, and N64 as well using the MisterPi).I do like the vibe of that machine though. Truly of it's time.Hope this helps OP. There's a lot of ways to still play those games these days too. A friend of mine more into emulation loves using Duckstation with a 4K OLED TV to pump into super resolutions with texture packs so if you're into that, that's a thing too
>>12053501You have to play the normiest of games to think PCSX2 is near perfect. Outside of the most popular titles, there are plenty that are still unplayable without extremely hacky fixes.
>>12053501>especially the PS2 which has worse hardware quality than the Xbox 360.shut up retard
>>12053505You're posting from 2017 dude. PCSX2 is awesome now. I've played Maximo, Deus Ex, Dark Alliance, Timesplitters 1/2, Gauntlet Dark Legacy, King's Field IV, Rayman Revolution and a bunch of other stuff on there. I can't guarantee your favorite obscure nipshit RPG will work since I only play good games, but everything I've played has worked flawlessly.
>>12053515Based Western game enjoyer
>>12053515You can't complete the licenses on the NTSC version of Tourist Trophy by normal means for example. Your only two options is importing a save with completed licenses, or advance the day count to 365 to perform cheats, which is time consuming and involves a lot of entering and quitting races.
>>12053539>anecdotal example of a single game having a single problemAlright, pack it up boys. PCSX2 is shit and I'm going back to opening up my PS2 every week to reattach the ribbon cable that plugs into the optical drive, because I need the real experience.
>>12053515i agree. i legit have a piece of shit laptop and can scale up to 1080 p and stuff. works alot better than it did
>>12053515killzone is a bit fucky with hiccups but it's a nothing burger
>>12053554to be fair, you shouldn't play killzone 1 to begin with
>>12053549>>12053515>>12053554like just a couple years ago my pc could barely play mortal kombat shaolin monks. now i can play it in 720p
>>12053505PCSX2 is great now. Still not 100% accurate but it runs just about everything I throw at it really well. Even on a laptop I got from Walmart back in 2017 for $200. It has a low-end i7 from that time but it runs full speed on almost every game with occasional slowdown, 8gigs of ram and Intel integrated graphics, runs a lot better with faster ram and a dedicated gpu.
>>12053557i mean subjective, i found it fun, albeit really brown.
using it as a cd player with the visualizer
>>12053565How does ratchet and clank 3 run for you? When I tried with a similar setup there were frequent slowdowns. Other games I tried like Dark Cloud were fine.
>>12053539You can also use a build from this PR to enable software floats, do the license tests, and then turn it off because it makes PCSX2 run like shit. https://github.com/PCSX2/pcsx2/pull/12001
>>12053641Or you could just use original hardware and play the game with no issues instead of coping with emulation.
>>12053790nah, I'll stick to my pc, thanks
>>12053298Try grand turismo 3 on a 10 year old pc retard
>>12053792By all means, if you can tolerate your ghetto wonky emulation solution then enjoy it. It's just not how the games were designed to be played, but you seem okay with that.
>>12053276Yeah that's what I thought. Wasn't the same CPU from the PS1 included in the PS2, but it just did other shit when running PS2 games?IIRC I believe there was some issue with saving games. It was either you couldn't use PS2 memory cars or you couldn't use the pS1 ones or both but so not remember.
>>12053313>Im seriousYou can be as serious as you want, no one is going to make thatThe only ODE for the PS2 I see in the future is for the slim and it will use an SD card, why would you want it to use USB?
>>12053806every game I'm interested in plays flawlessly, sorry but I'm not going to hunt down a working ps2 model along with all the peripherals in dubious condition, and then soft mod/burn backups when my modern pc is perfectly capable of running everything I need
>>12053829>IIRC I believe there was some issue with saving games. It was either you couldn't use PS2 memory cars or you couldn't use the pS1 ones or both but so not remember.if you wanted to save in a PS1 game running on a PS2 it needed to be a PS1 memory cardyou could back up your PS1 saves on to a PS2 card but couldn't load them in the game from italso wouldn't let you back up your saves using the USB port which was some BS
>>12053153Just so you know PS2 doesn't play every PS1 game 1:1.
>>12053298>A 10 year old PC can emulate practically all PS2 games at full speedVerifiably untrue assuming all of the hardware is actually from 10 years ago.
>>12053382No dude, it was emulated on fats as well. Fats and early Slims only had the CPU while the GPU was emulated; meanwhile on later Slims, EVERYTHING was emulated.It's why there's loads of bugs with alpha effects when playing PS1 games on PS2. Look at the coronas from the flashlight in Silent Hill, or the magic effects in FF7, or the moon in Olrox's Quarters in SotN, or the exhaust in Crash Team Racing as examples.
>>12053298https://pcsx2.net/docs/setup/requirements/The official requirements state that a CPU from 10 years ago will struggle to run games like these: https://wiki.pcsx2.net/Category:CPU_intensive_gamesRealistically, that list includes quite a few essential titles, so no, I wouldn't recommend PCSX2 for hardware that old and neither do the devs.
>>12053153Mortal Kombat Trilogy only works well on PS1.
>>12053959i have a dell optiplex 3040 with 3.2ghz and 16gb ram that i threw a radeon rx550 in and aside from some hiccups in certain tracks gran turismo 4 runs fine, so does god of war 2 at least
>>12053959literally every i5 from 10 years ago can run pcsx2, you're so clueless it hurts, you were probably a toddler back in 2015 as well
>>12053287you sound reddit
>>12053287>It's still not emulationYes it is. Older PS2 models have the PS1 CPU, but no PS2 models have the PS1 GPU. That has to be emulated
>>12054065>dahurrhurhurrhurr da devs dunno about dey own emulmalater!Just shut up, retard.
>>12053641Wow, that's a long list of games. I thought it was only one according to the PCSX2 shill?
>>12053501>comparing the almighty PS2 to a shitty goyslop microsoft consolego back, zoomer
The best PVP mmorpg ever made
>>12054294Wrong thread, sorry
>>12053641>do all this retarded shit then undo it, it's the same!do emufags really go through this much trouble?i'll stick to hardware
Crash Bandicoot 2 on PS2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPGjFwWFAdw
>>12053503>unless you wanna be brave and do the X-Station mod with a fuck ton of solderingIt's not that difficult anon. From what I recall 10-12 solder points and most of them are on the quick solder board already lined up for you. The only tricky part was bending tiny pins out the way. You need magnification and good lighting.
>>12054090you're a moron, you know this right?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OGiD5bEjbY
>>12054090here's GT4 running on a fucking i3 quad core from 9 years agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQLYAPYtkxM
>>12053153the sick ass audio visualizer
>>12053501>Duckstation and PCSX2 are so good nowThe only people who say stupid shit like this have never actually owned the consoles in question. It’s a faggot parrot sentence that they read somewhere.
Standalone PCSX2 for some reason stutters like hell on my linoox laptop even at lowest settings, but LRPS2 runs fine no matter the resolution, and with shaders on top. What gives? It didn't use to be like that, it worked fine about a year ago. Captcha: MAMMA
>>12054327that video shows an NTSC game being forced into PAL, it has nothing to do with PS2. Likely has the same effect if you force PAL on a PS1.
>>12054628I've owned a PS1 and PS2 (multiple PS2s technically, since they love to break down) since the early 2000s. In fact, I loved the PS2 enough that I've amassed a sizeable sealed game collection for it over the years. That doesn't change the fact that emulation is the best way to actually play the games in 2025, and the only stupid faggot here is you for thinking otherwise.
>>12054628Here is your (You).
>>12053153If you wanna play PlayStation Link games (one multiplayer game on two consoles and two monitors at the same time), or if you're interested in cheat devices like Action Replay either for cheating or finding cut content etc>>12053282There is no such thing as 100% flawless PS1 emulation and there never can be, because no single PS1 model plays the entire catalogue flawlessly either. There's a few games (none you'd ever wanna play) that straight up don't work on early models, and there's some games that are heavily bugged in either later or early models.
There is no reason to buy consoles in general anymore. I just use a steam deck to emulate old games. Then you even have a big handheld to play them.
>>12053153PS1 has a cooler startup sequence.
>>12053153Yes, there are lightguns that only work on it, practically the only way to play e.g die hard trilogy is with the right lightgun a PS1 and a CRT. Only teh gcons work on PS2s
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>>12053153fcmb doesnt work with ps1 games (the emulator solution is so bad I dont consider it an actual solution). you NEED to find a working solution to the laser problem because they will keep on dying. as far as I am aware there is actual solution to this problem other than getting a ps1.
>>12056487>the emulator solution is so bad I dont consider it an actual solutionHugopocked genuinely fixed popstarter
>>12053161>can emulate almost all of its games natively>natively>emulate nativelyretard of the year awardcongratulations on comparing PS2 emulation on PC to native back compat PS2>PS1
>>12053213wut? Doom works fine on my slim on a greatest hits copy
>>12054712>There is no such thing as 100% flawless PS1 emulation and there never can be, because no single PS1 model plays the entire catalogue flawlessly either. There's a few games (none you'd ever wanna play) that straight up don't work on early models, and there's some games that are heavily bugged in either later or early models.That's really interesting. Do you have a list of the bugged games?
>>12056594I think he forgot a comma
>>12053298>10 year old PCMaybe a 5 year old PC can, but 10 years ago we're talking 900 series Nvida and Skylake CPU's now sure a 980ti and i7 would probably run most games, but something like a 960 and i5 would struggle on most of the library.
>>12056518he has not but I dont really want to start this discussion here. I understand we all have different standards and for me personally its unusable. if it work for you great, more power to you.
>>12053153Yeah, booting up a PS1 is a different sensation to booting up a PS2. The games render properly and differently to a PS2, the simple interactions like opening the disc lid, the boot up sequence is more complete.
>>12053153I'd rather experience the real thing on real hardware.
>>12056891that's why the xstation is so ass you just have a shitty SD card in the tray instead of a real disc drive. too bad my dad's ps1's laser is too weak to load backups.
