They add depth to the gameplay and make the player consider jumps strategically when moving fast under brick layers. And also they give an extra edge to Mario's Super form reducing the artificial difficulty of fighting enemies in narrow brick-dense areas such as the underground levels.
>>12064078soul vs soulless
>artificial difficulty Kill yourself.
It honestly isn't that important and ultimately it offers more challenge.What's more noticeable to me is that the piranha plant hitbox was made bigger (since it was so small on original NES that Mario could pass through the whole sprite basically). But for some reason people online fixate on the block thing only.Also, something happened culturally around 2012 that made people start noticing/caring. In 2006, someone actually made a romhack reverting the physics block on All Stars, but it didn't get any replies until 6 years later, weird.There's also no known mention of anybody talking of the block back in the 90s, either on paper or usenet posts.It has become one of those "did you know" things.
>>12064078it's literally a bug tho
>>12064086Consider the likelihood that casuals playing all stars would know no better? SNES players are not as in-tune with how Mario should feel, they merely like seeing the red and blue guy jump around, even if he awkwardly gets stuck making some fun moves annoying or impossible.
>>12064086Yes pretty much everyone was happy with the all stars remake when it came out.Glowing reviews. Criticism of all stars is a modern retake.It’s a symptom of people preferring the authenticity of the original in the current era where it’s easy to emulate everything in’s seconds. Even when the original is not necessarily better.
>>12064086It's simple enough; the nostalgia cult as a phenomenon is basically recursive (old good, new bad > older old good, newer old bad), and proportionally stronger as time passes.In my experience the glitch/change/whatever it was was quite noticeable, though I didn't particularly care. It makes sense people would point it out more as the speedrunning scene grew and became more organized, since in that context it does have a noticeable impact.
>>12064086The issue has been analyzed to death but there's two things that still puzzle me:1. Nintendo never acknowledging the discrepancy at all, or fixing it in any re-release (not that surprising though)2. The glitch actually being present in the original NES/Famicom games (and also in the Japanese SMB2), but occurring only in much more specific circumstances. The rom patch actually "fixes" that as well in both All-Stars versions, though I believe it's accidental and not intentional.
>>12064086It was probably some youtuber.
>>12064094You're a bug! >:(
>>12064078It's like the portal debate all over again, except this time A is right
>>12064102I'm casual as fuck and even I could notice something was off with the blocks. It's why I preferred playing the GBC port since I was a kid.
>>12064086>There's also no known mention of anybody talking of the block back in the 90s, either on paper or usenet posts.hey, look, it's the "actually, there are no usenet posts from the 90s about the brick bug therefore no one actually cared until a youtuber mentioned it" autistlaugh at himlaugh at the autist
>>12064107>Glowing reviews. You will never see a Nintendo game reviewed poorly. Even the Switch 2 Tour Guide game got good reviews. Game industry and journos are not critical concerning Nintendo games but also because of the fanatical Nintendo super-consumers. Nintendo is a cult to some people.
>>12064086>2012>2006i'm 43 and played these childrens game as a childdon't care what zoomer "speedrunners" noticemy only criticism of All Stars is they changed the black background in some pipe zones to a gay colorful thingPound for pound, Super Mario All Stars is probably the most 'bang for your buck' cartridge you could possibly havemaybe not for greasy 25 year old speedrunner, but for the intended audience: children
>>12064078Anyone saying that removing the `y_speed = 2` when big Mario smashes bricks in All-Stars is a retard. Even as a kid I knew that was a glitch.
>>12064108If the change had a noticable impact and you didn't care then a preference for originals is not due to nostalgia, it's because other people do care. Every person who thinks preference for old games is due to nostalgia is not worth conversing with because they don't care.You could have said why the game plays better with the change, but you don't care enough to think about it. Why post at all?
It completely destroys the pacing and kills momentum. There's pretty much no positive to it.
>>12064107I notice it when I was a kid. It wasn't a big deal but it felt off.The version SMB2 (SMB USA) in All Stars is genuinely good though.
>>12064776I know. I find it completely bonkers that people apparently don't notice/care or here even claim it to be better. Like, it's feels almost trollish to me. Mario is fun because of momentum and smooth movement and how it encourages you to see how you can carry speed though things. It feels like skateboarding. Why the fuck would you want to degrade that?All-Stars is trash, it made me think NES Mario was lame until I played the NES versions and saw how much better thought out they were. If anything people are ridiculously forgiving of what are genuinely horrible flaws
>>12064560>If the change had a noticable impact and you didn't care then a preference for originals is not due to nostalgia, it's because other people do care.One doesn't follow the other at all. You're just deciding to believe that there's only two possible attitudes about the "issue", and that actually caring about it or simply pretending to care—consciously or unconsciously—to rationalize a knee-jerk preference for the original aren't two different mindsets.>Every person who thinks preference for old games is due to nostalgia is not worth conversing with because they don't care.Considering the previous conceit, that's a very convenient generalization, (which also happens to assume a generalization on behalf of others).>You could have said why the game plays better with the change, but you don't care enough to think about it. Why post at all?Here you are, at best, tripling down on your arbitrary interpretation of the scope (and meaning) of "caring" ; at worst, you're stating that unless I either agree with you or adopt the attitude that you have unilaterally decided is the only way of disagreeing with you, I shouldn't post at all.This is all a lot of unnecessary non-discussion for a thread obviously made as bait lmao.
>>12064537In both the NES version and All-Stars the y-velocity get set to -2. It's not the reason why they behave differentely.https://web.archive.org/web/20240829142102/https://cohost.org/rgmechex/post/1060627-rgme-article-7-bri
>>12064537>>12065498The "forgot to carry the one" sort of simple oversight theory is makes for a better trivia bit, but as somebody mentioned before the glitch COULD happen naturally in the original SMB and JSMB2 as well (something I believe that article doesn't mention), so obviously there's something else going on.
>>12065262>almost trollishIt is trollish. But then again, pretending the brick thing is some sort of game-breaking bug is trollish as well (when it's not simply self delusion).
>>12064107>It’s a symptom of people preferring the authenticity of the original in the current era where it’s easy to emulate everything in’s secondsI'd consider that more "a symptom of when people can afford/are capable of being more objective"
>>12065486I appreciate your effort, but please attempt to address points without direct quotation, very amateur. I'll imitate you:Either a person likes a new product or remembers why they don't, I refuse any other choices and put emphasis on choice, as in giving a shitindeed my generalization was quite satiricalwhile you sit there accusing me of accusing you of sitting there, I'm going to sit here and tell you to more directly communicate your opinions on the difference between releases
>>12064078AS looks so fucking ugly.
>>12065704It does in most ways. Still nice and very playable.. not anymore... imo. Would like to see nes graphics with mario world physics.
I really don't care because you have to genuinely be a childless fucking loser to ever be aware there's any difference.>>12064080Nothing is more soulless than not having children because you threw your life away being a pedantic autistic video game "purism" nerd
>>12065584>I appreciate your effort, but please attempt to address points without direct quotationNah, providing explicit context and intent is useful, specially in this site. We rely too much on blaming whoever we are replying to for whatever we choose to selectively misinterpret or straight out ignore.>very amateur. I'll imitate you:I'm glad that at least you realize I'm doing this for fun. You should definitely try and do the same.>Either a person likes a new product or remembers why they don't, I refuse any other choices and put emphasis on choice, as in giving a shitWe did go over your fondness of convenience already though. Are you sure you need other people for this sort of "conversation"?>indeed my generalization was quite satiricalDo you mean this one, the one in your other post, both of them, or (in case that's useful later) potentially neither?>while you sit there accusing me of accusing you of sitting there, I'm going to sit here and tell you to more directly communicate your opinions on the difference between releasesOh you. Anyway: the answer to that question is my first post that you replied to but didn't bother to read.
>>12064078Yeah but the soul of the originals is gone. Especially the look.
>>12066206Your failure to rebut my criticism towards your generalization regarding preference exclusively due to nostalgia is tacit concession. Nice reading comprehension
