>casts BLAST Level 4 on you
>Blast 4? What's that?Asks the player who only played the GBA shitmake.
>that one anon who complained about sarah being overrated in every shining force 2 thread
>>12066013Highest-level ranged magic attack for healers in SF2. Combat healers in that game friggin' rule.
>>12066013There's no Blast spell in either version of Shining Force 1. It's a thing in Shining in the Darkness, though.Also the GBA remake was pretty good.
BowieSarahJahaKazinSladePeterGerhaltThe 4 from creedsSheelaThere you go, that's the best party.
>>12066123far from the best member when it comes to combat, but best girl by far.
>>12066130
>2DDoes YOUR favourite SF let you zoom in on your waifus from all angles?That's what I thought.
>Fire Emblem last week finally admitted Shining Force was indeed "based"Lol
>>12066143I wish pic related wasnt canceled. Sega killed a bunch of other games because they were re-routing money for the horrific looking Hyenas game. They stole assets from all other game development to pay hundreds of millions to develop it, and then abandoned it because it looked like a worse version of Concord and consumer surveys showed it would be dead on arrival if finished. Biggest financial disaster in Sega history, and that is saying a LOT.
>>12066130movement sucks
>>12066160And even if had cash shop locked characters, they based it on shinging force 1&2 and it had a great roster.
>>12066179
>>12066016>as opposed to the anons that suck her off in every thread
>>12066013There's no GBA version of SF2 and the GBA remake of SF1 was actually good
>>12066202>Shitren fag
>>12065947If I recall correctly only 2 Master Monks got that in time to be useful and even then, just kick the bad guy in the face. Useless spell.
>Friereddit
>>12066164Was it that bad? I mean the Langrisser gacha was doing well and it looks pretty similar.Also>マチルダSo her real name is Matilda
>>12066402>Was it that bad? I mean the Langrisser gacha was doing well and it looks pretty similar.we dont know, it was unreleased. Langrisser gacha was decent. As long as they make enough single player content I would have given it a go.
>>12066123Swap Gerhalt for Kiwi and Sheela for Lemon, if you're insisting on going for SOVL.Though if by the best you meant the most effective, you need Frayja.>>12066160>blaming a death of a third party game on Sega, when they were the ones getting paid for the licenseThere's a lot of things to hate Sega for as is, no need to invent bullshit reasons on top of that.I think the Korean company that was publishing it finally went under this year.
I always wondered: Is Creed meant to be an anthropomorphic monkey of some kind? His face had sort of a chimp thing going on.I absolutely love his character design, and that of the series in general. When he shows up at the end to act as a priest before the final boss, I'm gonna need to throw up my arms and shout "KINO!!!!!!!!"
>>12066283>>12066331its literally just a reaction image. its not waifu wars, lol
>>12066013What the heck are you talking about? Blast that OP wind spell.
>want to stop being autistic about minmaxing>it should be ok to promote Karna to vicar>her healing spells are excellent, she can farm EXP with boost, there's no need to worry about the second vigor ball>but her sprite is this ugly recolor of Frayja (old male priest)>meanwhile Taya who isn't even a good character gets her own unique sorceress spriteIt's not fair.
>>12066921i've never used taya, but i never knew/noticed that she actually had a unique sprite compared to the others. its definitely not fair.
>>12066921The game does a lot of tricks to hide it but outside the unique creatures only a small pool of humans have unique sprites.
Where do I start with this series? What are the must-play games?
>>12067072The team who made the series left after SF3, and it showed. There are probably a few good titles after that point, but I just don't see the series as being Shining Force. So it's basically -Main series:Shining ForceShining Force 2Shining Force 3Handheld spin-offs:Shining Force GaidenShining Force Gaiden 2Shining Force Gaiden: Final ConflictRemakes:Shining Force CD (remake of Gaiden + Gaiden 2 + bonus scenario)Shining Force: Resurrection of the Dark Dragon (remake of Shining Force)Also worth mentioning:Feda: The Emblem of Justice (some of the original devs worked on this title)
>>12067072The Must-Plays are>Shining the Holy Ark (This is a DRPG, not an SRPG)>Shining Force 3 Scenario 1>Shining Force 3 Scenario 2>Shining Force 3 Scenario 3If you're playing in chronological order:>Shining Force>Shining Force CD>Shining Force Gaiden: Final Conflict>Shining Force 2>Shining the Holy Ark>Shining Force 3The first 4 are pretty much unrelated lore-wise from the last 2 outside of easter eggs.Shining Wisdom sucks.Shining in the Darkness is just a run of the mill DRPG with not much going for it.Shining Force GBA remake should be avoided.
>>12067182>Shining in the Darkness is just a run of the mill DRPG with not much going for it.>Shining Force GBA remake should be avoided.Damn, Climax is getting no respect here.
>>12067182>Shining Wisdom sucks.Don't talk shit about my homie Shining Wisdom like that! It's a fun game with great music, cool secrets and a sweet ending. https://youtu.be/a0AHdA6xF5Y
>>12067182I always get stuttering with Shining Force 3 on Retroarch. What exactly am I doing wrong?
>>12067745Isn't that normal? I remember Holy Ark getting some terrible slowdowns while on the main town too.
>>12066697Nah, just a gaunt old man.
>>12067745>What exactly am I doing wrong?You aren't playing on a real Saturn
>>12067760>>12067745I didn't have any issue when using mednafen. Don't you have some runahead applied or something? Check the timing settings too.
>>12066143Why no underwear?>>12066160What's even going on with that mobile?>>12066331What's her appeal?
I love Holy Ark so much
Currently playing Shining force 3 Where can i see the turn order?Don't know who will attack next
>>12066130>>12066134>horse >pussy
>>12066130>You will never ride your centaur girlfriend through a field of flowers laughing as the wind rushes through your hair.
I love SF but hate the xp system. I want to level up my party evenly so I'm not stuck with 4+ characters that can only do 1 damage and just die to one hit but besides the big 6 everyone else just starts naturally falling behind and it's tedious to grind levels and make sure to position everyone and time turns so the weak links can get finishing blows.I think I'm just going to ignore everyone but the GOATs.
>>12069142>and make sure to position everyone and time turns so the weak links can get finishing blows.And that's why I use archers, despite them being weak-ish. They make positioning brainless, especially once they get better weapons.
>>12069142sf1 is so much worse for that. experience doesnt roll over on level up too. what i do is i set aside certain battles that dont involve too much walking, and grind those to even everyone out, and push for extra levels until the monsters stop giving max xp. like the circus, harbor, and kane battles. however, with the rng of level ups, you'll get shit like hans only leveling up speed for 5 levels in a row, and he has no hope of dealing damage to contribute in a meaningful manner. and then you finally get a new weapon, but its too little too late. same with the birdmen. and THEN certain characters just join you woefully under leveled, and require a stupid amount of catering. for some reason everyone likes to shit on arthur, even though he only needs like 3-5 levels and is the fucking mvp GOAT, and they sing the praises of bleu, who needs like 10+ levels
>>12069247Arthur can also be a victim of RNG, like everyone else.Once I had a meh Arthur, weak Zylo and strong Gong. Funnily enough, I also kept Hans in that run long enough for missiles to turn him into a beast.
>>12069282i have never had a problem with arthur. i guess i should mention that i always push to 20 before promotion (hitting 20 during farming of the kane fight), because in the past i had promoted at 10 and shafted myself with the stat drop (which is another fucking retarded thing sf1 does). i think that was the only time i ever had a weak zylo, was promoting him too early. i recall having a weak luke that way too.
>>12069321It was level 20 run.Arthur was only as good as other centaurs and that's with me giving him a stronger weapon. I remember ending up with getting more use out of Pelle that time. SF1 can be just wacky like that.
>>12069342damn thats crazy. i find that mediocre characters are more often randomly strong than strong characters are randomly weak though. i never really bother with weak characters, so i dont have any stories of surprising success with them, only fruitless struggles.
Are the Shining Soul games any good? I never hear people talk about them.
>>12069680I've heard good things about the Soul 2 at least, but keep in mind that those are Diablo-likes made with multiplayer in mind.
>>12065947Does SF1 get good at some point?Last time I played it, I thought it's a massive slog because of all the mountains and empty fields that you have to waddle through.pic unrelated
>>12069708If your problem is the pacing of the battles, then no, it won't get better for you.Personally speaking, I never found it to be a problem though, so the game is good for me since the very beginning.
Who is the protag of 3?I wanna name mc after myself but apparently only one is the actual protag.
>>12069787Each disc has a different protagonist.
>>120696802 was fun
>>12069739Right, are other SF games any better in that regard or should I just give up?
>almost at the end of a map>all characters except the MC and two mages without any MP are dead>ZEON breathes demon breath!>fuckfuckfuck, I just need one more hit on this guy>ZEON attacks MC directly>fuckfuckfuckfuck miss please dear jesus>ZEON's attack misses!>phew, now I can just>ZEON's second attack! >mfw
>>12069826There are still maps like that in other games, but there are less of them.
>>12069794But I imagine in the end one becomes THE protag.
>>12069921Julian the protagonist of scenario 3 ties everything together and you also play with him for a bit in scenario 1 and 2
>>12069921All characters appear in each scenario to various degrees. The most important one is Julian, arguably.
>>12069787This is the only hidden hint about the true protag.
>>12069928>PePiCheFor me it's JuMeSyn
>>12069826sf2 fixes pretty much every QoL inconvenience of sf1. picking up an item from a chest automatically gives it to the next available character with an open slot, experience rolls over, level up stats are more normalized, characters join actually immediately useful instead of gimped, and YES, almost all outdoor battles have a path that cuts through the rugged terrain. there are like 2 or 3 battles with a lot of desert, and some battles will have a little bit of forest/mountain to slow you down for certain spots but its not very thick. and there are next to no choke points either (sf1 had loads of needless chokepoints)
>>12069924>>12069926Cool. Thanks. >>12069928Guess I will get this eventually.
>>12066123i forgot the names and party limit.just use Pete the fenix, all the archers/tanks, all the healers, upgrade the highest DEF horseguy into a flying horse and equip a spear. Ratman is decent only if you overlevel him or upgrade ASAP to a ninja. i guess you still need to use the Birdmen and the mages for that annoying sea-octpussy level.if you wanna cheese replay some levels with healers and spam healing spells to get more XP i think?
Janet, my beloved.
So did this series get shelved but those other normal rpg shining games made it to PS4?
>>12071889Depends on what exactly you mean. But, as with most Sega franchises, especially RPG ones: it's complicated.By made it to PS4, you probably mean Resonance Refrain, which is a remaster of a PS3 game. It was originally made right after two Shining TRPGs for PSP made by Valkyria Chronicles 3 dev. And then there weren't any new games at all since.If you're asking for a TRPG in Force subseries specifically, there was Shining Force Feather for DS.Well, at some point there also was a gacha game in development, but its publisher bled money, so it never materialized.
>>12069680The first is extremely barebones and boring. 2 is damn fucking good. Probably one of my favorites games on the system and maybe the biggest time sink on the GBA. The music and the slow dialogue boxes are the biggest gripes with it, however.
>>12069928>PePiCheWho?
can SF1 or SF2 be beaten with no grinding. 1 battle 1 win move on
>>12072691honestly, i've never tried (because i love getting everyone powerful and dominating), but i want to say yes that people have done it. if you do fail, you can always just keep your experience and try again, and it shouldnt be so much that you cakewalk or anything. its probably a good way to keep the difficulty. however, you will probably need to promote as soon as promotion-only weapons become available, or you will be too far behind.
>>12066130>fixed your pic for you
>>12073023And lets not forget #2
>>12066160While hyenas did fuck SEGA bad wasnt this basically going to be a FE heros gacha/crossover slop on mobile? I want the Force back bad to but thats a real monkeys law situation to be honest.
>>12065947How is 3? Iver never gotten around to playing it. I assumed the 2 other discs were fan translated by now. Who even is the final badguy at this point?
>>12073070*paw
>>12072691In SF1 you get three amazing fliers (Kokichi, Balbaroy, and Amon) that snowball hard with Power Ring Boosts. Balbory and Amon can wield the Chaos Breaker (despite what many guides say), and cast free Freeze 3s with it, and which ever one doesn't get the Chaos Breaker can use the Katana and Power Ring for similar damageKokichi can wield the Evil Ring for Bolt 3s and the Valkyrie for massive physical damageDomingo is incredibly bulky and Attracts enemies as much as Max for some reason.Tao and Anri for AoE damage to help with clearing out Rout maps, Luke or Gort can use the Heat Axe (you can get 2 with an Egress, but that's what we're trying to avoid) to do AoEs with Blaze 2, and the Atlas Axe comes later for Blaze 3s. Pelle is strong out of the gate and never falls off. Really all of the Centaurs are good (except Arthur), but there's only so many unique weapons/rings to hand out and Pelle is just better than the others.Hans and Diane get ridiculously powerful weapons and have very minimal movement penalties over terrain.The only shitter you have to use is Max, but if you can get him to promotion he can use the White Ring for a few Aura 1s every battle. You could probably use Lowe or Kris for Healing if you want as well. They also get boosted experience from using healing items so running out of MP doesn't mean they're done gaining experience for that fight.Guntz is nice because he's has a "Float" movement type like Domingo, but there's only one of the Valkyrie and Devil Lance so he'll be stuck with the Halberd at endgame.Musashi has pretty good stats, but has terrible movement and Balbaroy and Amon will get much more usefulness out of the best swords.Really just don't use obviously bad/investment characters like Arthur, Gong, Zylo, Lyle, Bleu, Adam, Alef, and Torasu and you can easily beat the game with no grind.
>>12073232>Really all of the Centaurs are good (except Arthur)arthus is easily the best IF you can cater to him, but that probably wont be possible with a no egress run, and without others falling behind.>guntz>musashitheres the running ring and i think 2 peppers to increase movement. you can easily make them not suck, and musashi is a gigachad.>zylo bad investmenti've always found him immediately and consistently useful (with the exception of one game where he sucked shit after promotion that i mentioned before). i dont recall him needing any special treatment exactly.
>>12072691I haven't played SF2 very many times, but I imagine you could just solo the whole thing with Peter. Master Monk Sarah and Pegasus Knight Erik could probably help him for an even easier time.
>>12073247Arthur is nearly impossible to get to the level where he actually gets good in a no grind run, and even when he's better it's just overkill when Pelle with kill enemies just as effectively.Guntz and Musashi's main problem is that there's just not enough of the best weapons to go around, and the mobility ring and pepper are much better used on characters that already have good movement. They are definitely usable on a no grind run though if you ditch Pelle or Amon.Zylo's biggest issue is that he can't use weapons or Magic and his Attack doesn't grow enough to match units who can use weapons. He can be fine before promotion but as soon as he takes his promotion penalties without a promoted weapon to counter act it, he requires to much grind to be decent.
>>12073248>Pegasus Knightyou have to hold out for 3 battles instead of promoting right away (even though the creed crew join at 24). i really hate how late they put the pegasus wing compared to all of the other items.
>>12073258>just not enough of the best weapons to go aroundmusashi is a beast as is. literally all you have to do is fix his movement. i dont know what you're smoking to think he needs ANY sort of special treatment other than that. he has decent hp, incredible defense, and hits like a truck. guntz would be fine with a halberd too. whats wrong with the halberd? also you can use it to cast bolt.>birdmenhonestly, im not really sure what you're thinking with the birds. even in my games where i try to farm people, the birds just fall behind. they dont get any defense bonuses from land effect so they get smashed, they dont really get good defense level ups to compensate, and you REALLY have to feed and cater to them during the gap from middlesword to longsword (which is needlessly extensive) for them to do any sort of damage. its always such a struggle for me to get the birds to DO anything, i shudder to think what a no-egress attempt would be like. i would literally rather have another paladin with even a chrome lance at the end than to bother with the birds.>zylo takes his promotion penaltiesah, i see. that will do it i suppose. timing promotion with weapon acquisition in order to offset penalties wouldnt be a factor for him.
>>12073268The birdmen require Boosts from using the power ring to start snowballing, but they're always the first into battle on outdoor maps so they are the best first uses of the power ring before it cracks every battle. In every no grind run I've done all three fliers end up at at least level 20/20 because of how easy they are to position, and how they trivialize some of the most annoying terrain maps in the game.I really do think Guntz and Musashi are good, I just also think there are better uses for the 2 movement items (There's only one pepper afaik). If I'm going to repair bad movement it will probably be someone like Domingo so he can get in the fight to draw aggro and tank better, or Luke/Gort so they can get in faster to use Blaze 2/3. Halberd only giving you +25 Attack is pretty bad compared to other late game weapons. It's still usable, but not great.
>>12073285i just dont see why the boost couldnt equally just be used on literally anyone else too (like arthur. who WILL utterly explode in stat growth after promotion). yes sf1 has a lot of tedious terrain, but you still want to keep people together. >There's only one pepper afaikyou're right, i was thinking of sf2, which has 2 peppers. and yes, there are a lot of things that you can do with added movement, but i would never abandon my boy musashi. he's just too good.
>>12073292I just find that you get much more milage out of Boosts on fliers, and once they gain only a few levels (except Kokichi, he's just always good) it's not exactly necessary. Arthur being good requires you to level him to 20 before promotion and then like 10 levels after that to get the ulility you get from consistently Pelle as soon as he joins, and he doesn't get as many oppurtunities to get experience as the fliers or AoE attackers do so it's harder for him to actually snowball.
>>12073292I also just think we have differing play styles because I do like to extend as far as I can in SRPGs and not keep units close together. Domingo really helps with this because he draws enemies to him instead of the squishier units.
>>12073258>Guntz and Musashi's main problem is that there's just not enough of the best weapons to go around>Zylo's biggest issue is that he can't use weapons Anon, you've literally pointed out that relying on weapons is a weakness too.Zylo's main strength is not using weapons. He will be stronger than sword/spear users that got stuck with weaker weapons, while not getting in the way of other force members.His movement is also second only to fliers, as he takes no penalties from forests and mountains.I do remember having a bad time promoting him in the last run that I did level 20 promotions though. I can't point all the reasons, but when I did level 10 promotion runs he performed notably better. Top 5 even.
>>12073318My problems with weapons are at different points in the game. Zylo suffers post promotion while Others suffer late/endgame.I think you have room for one of these characters (if you don't Egress for a second Heat Axe), and they will perform good, but they will perform worse than the others overall.
>>12067745Retroarch is fucking garbage. Use standalone emulators.
>>12068049The turn order is based on speed, I think. It doesn't matter actually, the game is pretty easy.
>>12073232I have never had a bad Zylo game. I always feel like he has the most consistant stats in the game. I wouldnt call max a shitter but he can get some bad levels if your unlucky. If anything the one of the birds usually.dosnt end up pulling their weight whenever I use both. Kris often ends up a decent fighter.by midgame as long as you dont frontline her, at least compared to all then other healers
>>12073302in my normal, grindy runs, as soon as arthur catches up during circus grind, he functions perfectly fine with the rest of the fighters, even pulling ahead a bit before reaching 20. after promotion, his stat growth explodes within the first 5 levels (usually. sf1 has wild rng) sending him even further ahead. pelle joins strong/competent, but he never really does anything "special". >>12073315and yes, i swarm and overwhelm, but leading with somebody with high defense/hp. gort in the early game, guntz/musashi later. diving forward doesnt do much if the rest of the team cant BE there once the engagement starts.
>>12073318>bad time, level 20 promotionsthats crazy. i never had a bad time with zylo if i push 20. and even IF the promotion penalty hits him hard then, he bounces back in just a few levels as long as you dont skip through battles and let the monsters get stonger than his growth. and why would you anyway? promoting at 20 resets your experience rate to if you were level 10, so you can fully farm right away.
>>12066013GBA rules
Honestly feel like playing some RoDD rn.I don't remember what was the last time I played it over the original, but I don't remember it being bad, aside from having to adjust for screen crunch.
>>12073775RoDD is great, just too easy. Wonder if there's a mod that starts it on NG+3 difficulty or something.
I really gotta start a new playthrough of SF2 and ACTUALLY finish it. I think the furthest I've made it is the chess fight.I played SF1 to death as a kid but never got very far, played RoDD like 5 times, and finally completed a vanilla Genesis playthrough last year.
>>12074315All NG+ in RoDD are even easier with early full power Mawlock being broken as fuck.
