Which one had the best games? Also do you think the merger resulted in better or worse games?
>>12077162SquaresoftWorse
>>12077162EnixBetter
Square Much worse,absolute garbage
>>12077162I think this framing tends to always come from jaded FF fans and I don't think it really leads to meaningful discussion about these games beyond "old FF good new FF bad", since Square games and Enix games exist in such different contexts. Enix was only ever a publisher, the first few Dragon Quest games were Chunsoft games, as well as the whole Mystery Dungeon series. Not to mention the Tri-Ace catalog. There's not really a cohesion or lineage to Enix's catalog the way there is Square's because it's a bunch of different unrelated developers in a trenchcoat.all that to say I don't know how anyone can say "better" now unless you're a SaGa fan
>>12077220The ultimate video game, unsurpassable in artistry, is 2018's The Quiet Man. All of human history, including the merger of these two companies, is justified by the existence of that one vidcon
>>12077162All of their modern games suck so definitely worse
>>12077220>Enix was only ever a publisherexactly, this is such a stupid thread
>>12077220Everything about Square is centered around Final Fantasy. Final Fantasy being or use to being the big JRPG franchise in the west and people resent it for being in the limelight unlike their series. Or people that got turned away from the series since the PS2. People getting deranged over X, or that XI being a MMORPG being a mainline game, or how XII does gambits and a full license boards. None the less how mishandled the series has been since FFXIII. Then there's claims in which there isn't much to Final Fantasy while people exalt games which have less character customization or have standard and dull mechanics in how to develop your characters compared to customizing them with espers/materia, learning skills with job switching, or the sphere grid.Not only that but Squares game output and variety was great during the PS1. You had games like Parasite Eve, Vagrant Story, Bushido Blade, Racing Lagoon, and Einhander released along with their other turn based RPGs.The biggest problem with SquareEnix is that they aren't as keen to fund outside Final Fantasy projects, and when they do it's with meager resources. Sad that the series that saved the company and got the company as big as it is is the thing choking it out.
>>12077471Dude your writing is hard to follow.
>>12077162Squaresoft made gamesEnix had developers under its umbrella to make games
>>12077162EnixEventually better than it was directly before the merger, but never as good as in those companies golden age.
>>12077162Square was inclined to try different things with every game, I don't think they ever made the same game twice. They had great highs and very deep lows.Enix never even made a game, they just were money handlers and autistic. Pure scum.It's not even a question the acquisition was objectively worse for Square and amazing for Enix. It's crazy how quickly Square fell off a cliff immediately after being bought.
>>12077162Squaresoft: Final Fantasy, Vagrant Story, Chrono Trigger/CrossEnix: Dragon Quest. The winner is obvious.
>>12077231this
>>12077162Wasn't Enix mostly a publisher though? Their games were developed by Chunsoft, Quintet, etc; Squaresoft games were developed in-house IIRC.
PC98's Evo is really a cool game, many more options than the SNES sequel, not only is it a deeper game when it comes to evolution and building your organism, but it's a broader game in that the maps are much bigger and there's more to do. It's a very classic JRPG in how combat works. Pretty cool stuff and the setting was unique for the time as well.>>12078258Enix published many of their own games especially earlier on.
>>12077162Square was GOAT. Always hated Enix's games ever since playing StarOcean 2. The only thing they had going for them was Dragon Quest, and some of the best ones we never even got, so fuck em.
>>12077471>The biggest problem with SquareEnix is that they aren't as keen to fund outside Final Fantasy projects, and when they do it's with meager resources.I believe this is an industry thing, games cost a lot more to make, especially if you chase spectacle and graphical fidelity like Square always has. There's an end to the rope eventually.But man it makes me sad to see all this money thrown into shit like Forspoken and thr FF7 remake when we couldve had multiple smaller budget, content dense, NEW, RPGs.
>>12077162SquareWorse
>>12077169>>12077197>>12078170>>12078607>>12078616don't be square man
>>12077162enix is shit
>>12078615>games cost a lot more to makeNot really, not until the 3D era demanded a huge amount of artistic resources in the form of modelers.Square and Enix had a small number of employees, less than a dozen or so in earlier times, to maybe fifty by the SNES days. The artists and musicians and programmers and designers were all on salary and were sucking down money even if the bosses decided to halt all game development and ordered them to perform Seiza all day. They had some people working on and improving the game engine itself, Square and Enix both used the same engines in multiple games and evolved their game engines over time. It wasn't until the AAA blockbuster era of the multimedia days that games started getting budgets anything like Hollywood movies. These guys were salarymen and they were underpaid compared to say, working at a bank or chemicals firm or whatever as a programmer, or at an ad agency as a graphics person.
Square has Final Fantasy and Chrono Trigger, but Enix has Dragon Quest.I like Square and I'm a fan of their outlier games like Einhander, the first Musashi or Bushido Blade, but Enix also released a lot of interesting outlier games like ActRaiser, EVO and Mischief Makers.I personally prefer Enix but I can totally understand most people saying Square. FF+CT is one hell of a combo.About the merge, I think it was for the worse, but mostly for Square games, and I think it would be the same merge or not.
>>12077162>best gamesTheir output wasn't comparable. Enix was more of a publishing company and the developers of their games were all basically smaller 3rd parties, while Square had 2-3 development teams making games internally (although they did publish other developer's games later on like Tobal). Enix was actually kind of based for that and they published some pretty esoteric games like Mystic Ark and Planet Laika. however overall I would say Square's output was better.>mergerIt ruined both companies significantly. Neither publishing arm recovered desu.
I haven't played a single game from either company I hate being a zoomer.
>>12079642King's Knight is right there waiting for you, go ahead and give her a whirl. You'll never be the same
>>12079642There is nothing stopping you from logging off and download pcsx2 and dragon quest 8 right now
>>12079775>logging off ?
>>12079783Sign out of your 4chan.com account and touch grass
>>12079783it's shorter than "press x on your browser", what do you want from me
>>12077162I mean besides DQ and Valkyrie Profile, Square owned Enix ass as far as games go.Which is a shame because VP its really good and wish Enix had more unique rpgs on ps1.
>>12077169>>12077178epic, simply epic!!
Either of them separate were better than SE.
>>12077162Squaresoft.>>12080483A truth was spoken.
>>12080483I don’t think that has anything to do with them becoming oneWe’re on /vr/ rememberThe best games are already made
>>12081008I have no idea what your post is saying
>>12081017I’m saying the best games have already been made, the games they’re currently making don’t matter
>>12081064You realize SE was made in 2003
>>12081078Beginning of the dark age.
>>12081113FFX had already been out for 2 years.
>>12081135It was a sign.
>>12079783Right now you're jacked in to the internet, you need to jack off.
>>12079814Crazy thing to say when Star Ocean, Ogre Battle/Tactics Ogre and Quintet games (Illusion of Gaia, Terranigma, etc) exist as well.
I don't know, I've only played one DQ and it was the one made by not Enix but Level-5Hey so, one question for DQ people: which game in the series has the best music after 8? I think these games just always bore me to tears but I'm willing to power through if you give me the one with the best music
What's your top 5 Square games, anons? And your top 5 Enix games? Both developed and published
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>>12077162Well one made bust a groove and then never made another entry after the merger so I know which one had the best games.
