DOOM THREAD / RETRO FPS THREAD - Last thread: >>12073673Doom/Quake/Duke/Heretic/Hexen/Unreal/Sam/Half-Life/etcGameplay, WADs/Maps/Mods, Source PortsAll other 90s FPS welcome~ Let's post like gentlemen ~FAQ/GENERAL GUIDEhttps://rentry.org/vrbinSO YOU WANT TO PLAY SOME FUCKING DOOM(or Quake, Duke, Marathon, Deus Ex)https://imgur.com/a/wWS8zXzSame thing, in video format:https://youtu.be/ietb4JwaaXAhttps://youtu.be/DhOjleMqwdQhttps://youtu.be/CGj4gXyCzg0== GAMES/RESOURCES ==DOOM Quickstart (IWADs etc): https://mediafire.com/file/wuniyrhsjjgq4y8QUAKE Trilogy FAQ: https://pastebin.com/Ucb11XhUPortaDOOM:https://github.com/Kroc/PortaDOOM/releasesHALF-LIFE (GoldSrc) Anthology:https://mega.nz/file/GRUCGbAY#RhOiqxnf7UPOiXcJNbRh-prKIEVRhjJaEpAkt34lyZg4CHAN DOSPACK + Win98 games:https://mega.nz/#F!3t8nzSIS!947kyMN6Z80f8HS7q2XlqAAssorted /vr/ shooters, mods, etc:https://mega.nz/#F!QXIk1bjB!NHRWGIfjcc77PyGgRlga4Qhttps://mega.nz/#F!GtEQTISJ!CCJGyPEEEsZasc1PMXicUAMIDI COLLECTIONShttps://files.catbox.moe/2hul76.ziphttps://mega.nz/file/dWQ3SThI#qYcpa4eGQj6ElyRZgjGqszR59dh4Fq9D3qXYee54kZQhttps://archive.org/details/archiveteam-geocities-midi-collection-2009https://archive.org/details/midiru-archive-2022-02-25.7z== INFO/LINKS ==OFFICIAL DOOM WIKIhttps://doomwiki.org/WHERE TO FIND WADSVanilla/Boom: https://doomworld.com/forum/4-wads-mods/ZDoom: https://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=19/idgames: https://doomworld.com/idgames/MODDING RESOURCEShttps://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=37https://realm667.com/== /VR/DOOM COMMUNITY ==THREAD ARCHIVEShttps://desuarchive.org/vr/search/text/"doom thread"/type/op/OUR WADS/MODShttps://rentry.org/vrdepotMAKING NEW THREADS PROPERLYhttps://pastebin.com/8mDnrsrBIMAGE/WAD DATABASEhttps://vrdoom.booru.org/https://clovr.xyz/wadsup/MULTIPLAYER SERVERSUS West: https://clovr.xyz/CA/US Midwest: https://macgu.fun/
=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===Duke It Out in /vr/Game : DN3D | Deadline : Jan 1st 2026Tile/Con pack: https://files.catbox.moe/thm4q7.zipRules: https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/11835634HOT POTATO, aka Deep /vr/ied PotatoGame : Doom 2, MBF21 | Deadline : HOTPOTATO99.WADRules: https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/12030515Latest build: HOTPOTATO85.WADhttps://files.catbox.moe/gn8e9v.zip=== CURRENT RELEASES ===/Vertex Relocation/IWAD : Doom 2 | Format : BoomRC5: https://files.catbox.moe/a4tbzi.zip=== NEWS ===[10-8] Nightdive delisting original System Shock 2.https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/238210/view/503964319779651936[10-8] New EduardoAndFriends wadhttps://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/155461[10-5] GMDX_AE mod updated to v1.1https://moddb.com/mods/give-me-deus-ex-augmented-edition[10-4] DOOM & DOOM 2 re-releases by Nerve will be delisted from mobile platforms due to recent Unity security vulnerability.https://msrc.microsoft.com/update-guide/advisory/ADV256762[10-3] RAMP 2025 is available to downloadhttps://ramp2025.doomproject.com/[10-2] Sunder 2510 released with MAP21 "The Leviathan's Arteries"https://www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2971041[10-1] SCAMP2025, a mapset for Chasm: The Rifthttps://moddb.com/games/chasm-the-rift/addons/scamp2025[9-30] Doom 3: Phobos is now on Steamhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/3978420[9-29] Blood Alpha Restoration Patch update, currently WIPhttps://moddb.com/mods/blood-alpha-restoration-patch[9-28] Nightdive re-releasing Blood. Again.https://youtu.be/sFjJU5lf2K0[9-24] Deus Ex Remastered announced, developed by Asspyrhttps://youtu.be/f1RdKezTYNk[9-23] Crispy Doom v7.1 updatehttps://fabiangreffrath.github.io/crispy-homepage[9-17] AMC Squad: Episode 5 has been released!https://moddb.com/games/the-amc-tc/news=== PREVIOUS ===https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0TO SUBMIT NEWS, REPLY TO THIS POST (ideally with the [MM-DD] date bracket)
>> CLASSIC DOOM CHALLENGE <<Record an UV Max demo of DBP62 MAP08 "Trickz n Treatz" (limit-removing, -cl 2)Reply to this post with a demo & your time. Wad downloadhttps://archive.org/download/dbp-wad-archive/dbp62_haunting-hollow-v1-4.zipCasual playthrough in 16:21https://files.catbox.moe/j0n9qh.lmpPrevious thread winner: Junkfood4 MAP16 in 6:48! >>12075931Pretty straightforward halloweeny map. You won't have resource or health problems, just don't catch a rocket to the face! TBQH I haven't played this DBP before.
Continuing the chain from the last thread:>>12078238>>12078246>HOTPOTATO85.WAD: https://files.catbox.moe/gn8e9v.zip>Make barons and imps come out from a portal at the start of MAP02>oh i'm stupid next anon unstuck my imps plz
>>12082401>"Chaingunners could be here" he thought, "I've never been in this map before. There could be Chaingunners anywhere.">The cool wind felt good against his bare abs.>"I HATE CHAINGUNNERS" he thought.>Untitled reverberated his entire car, making it pulsate even as the $9 berserk kit circulated through his powerful thick veins and washed away his (merited) fear of demons after dark.> "With IDCLEV, you can go anywhere you want" he said to himself, out loud.
>>12082401His shirt wouldn't get ripped so often if his armor actually went over his stomach.
>>12082423I realized too late that I had this version of this image and went FUUUUCK as soon as I posted.
>>12082424Look, man, an action hero needs a bit of sex appeal sometimes.
>>12082420I guess it is a bit late for these threads but damn I hatr the snipers.I think it still kind of belongs despite the 2002 release date.Sometimes it degrades into run'n'gun'n'reload'n'gun'n'run
I miss him
>Arcane Dimensions is almost all castle, not enough techbase>Alkaline is almost all techbase, not enough castle>just alternate between the two each levelI should've done this forever ago.>>12082439>Look, man, an action hero needs a bit of sex appeal sometimes.By Q3 the corps agreed and made it part of the uniform.
>>12082461Alkaline is so damn close to being great, but so many of the levels are just not quite there.
>>12082456>"It's time to kick ass and eat cats...and I'm all out of cats. HA!"
q: is there a timeline or wiki page of the SC-55 like fonts out there? There's like 6 and i don't know which is which
>>12082552aren't they all just recordings of sounds sc-55 produces?
>>12082557no, entirely different sample databases. dunno if the SC-55 was ever ripped or if such a thing is even possiblei know there's at least 2 newer SC-55-likes that the one i'm using that's nearly 10 years old but i don't even know which is which.
>>12082417lockdon't have plans what to do but i'll figure out as i go
>>12082471>Arcane Dimensions vs. AlkalineI'd have to say they're both great after replaying each, but there are two maps that stick out and for different reasons: Slipgate Sickness and Tears of the False God.They're concerning for different reasons. Slipgate gets overshadowed by all the other levels in terms of quality while Tears overshadows everything else. Slipgate at least feels more like a classic Quake techbase and is set aside as a secret level, Tears is on the first hub and very different from the rest of the maps regarding tone, aesthetics, and even gameplay.Still fun levels, still raise my eyebrow.
>>12082552>There's like 6You wish.I always liked EmperorGrieferus the most, and when Nuked SC-55 emulator got released which is supposedly as close to the real sound as possible it only reaffirmed my choice, imo it's the closest one to the Nuked sound.What would be really useful is doomwiki mentioning which sound module or soundfont was used by the composer. So far you guys mentioned that Eternal used WeedsGM3, and Sigil (just like most? Paddock works) used RLNDGM which is basically just a Windows midi sound. And of course Booby Prince himself used SC-55 did he? I can't find the source.What would be even MORE cool is if wads had the target/preferred soundfont mentioned in some lump. But that's not going to happen in my lifetime.
>>12082562I haven't played Alkaline recently enough to remember Slipgate Sickness, but Tears is very much a portfolio piece first and a Quake map second: https://bal.artstation.com/projects/B1yaX6
>>12082616>advanced potato community
>>12082616>>12082636>advanced potato community remasters
>>12082620It plays fine as a map, it's just a strange and even potentially worrisome addition for AD 1.8 in the first hub. The maps he made for other mods (Alkaline, Dwell) don't stick out as crazily as Tears does in AD.
>>12082456He was based and cringe at the same time
>>12082561HOTPOTATO86.WAD https://files.catbox.moe/gor78w.zipcorrect info a bit, in map02 make each monster have its own spinner, add ending to map02
>>12082456I don't.
>>12082456Dumb AI poster.
>>12082456The way Alf made people here seethe was always funny even if his insane hatred of Half-Life was completely nonsensical. It didn't kill FPS, sprite based FPS was dead already and developers using advances in technology to make more narrative driven games was inevitable, if it hadn't been Valve with Half-Life it would've been someone else. It at least gave the threads someone to collectively despise besides Kaiser.
Should I just go straight to Arcane Dimensions, Alkaline, or Mjolnir if I'm not really enjoying base Quake?
>>12082837How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?
>>12082843https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WUSIc7W0Hc
>Playing Dimension of the Machine using Ironwail after learning you can do that last thread>One of the realms is already completed with a dead Ranger in front of itIs this meant to be like this, or is this because I'm using a sourceport? Kind of weird they just have a pre-completed realm like that.
>>12082837Depends. Do you like the movement and combat, but hate the tiny underpopulated maps? Then yes, the mods you mentioned are Quake but bigger.If you're just not enjoying the gameplay then no, those mods won't convert you because they're Quake but bigger.
>>12082858Nah, that's just how it is, even in the Kex port.It is weird, though. Makes you wonder if they had a sixth realm planned but never finished.
>>12082858>>12082867>another ranger goes to realm 6 before you show up>managed to get the rune, but is mortally wounded>puts the rune in place and dies, the realm is closedPretty straightforward to me. Who knows if they really had one more realm planned or is it just a fluff, but it's neat either way.
>>12082858Oh, and by the way, there's a secret level in DotM. The secret exit is in The Pain Drain (mge1m1).
So I loaded the Freedoom counterparts to the Doom 2 Wolfenstein themed secret maps. Kinda disappointed they didn't feature nazi enemies or unique textures.Anyway, what's the lore of Freedoom? Is it literally just not-Doom in the same way Quake or Half-Life are not-Doom?
>>12082876Well shit. I already have that rune. I'll use Ironwail's level select to try it later.
>>12082417I wish i got my hasselbacks to separate out nicely like that.>>12082837AD, then standalone AD maps, then prepare for mild disappointment.
>>12082837>Should I just go straight to Arcane Dimensions, Alkaline, or Mjolnir if I'm not really enjoying base Quake?These guys are on the right track >>12082843 >>12082864Newer maps might make it "click" for you but I don't think you'll enjoy custom content if you aren't already into the base game.
>>12082881There's also a built-in survival mode (the Horde maps) if you wanna give that a try.
>>12082837>>12082883Not that anon, but for standalone maps I recommend>Imhotep's Legacy >The Warden>Oozing BlasphemyAll three are good enough that they should have been put in the main mod, if Sock ever updated it.
>>12082878I don't think there's anything confirmed officially yet, but apparently Impie wanted to take a stab at it in the past. Doubt that went anywhere.
Check my site and see what's missing or to correct: https://rentry.org/doomstuff
ain't those some pleasantly familiar faces
>>12082609>And of course Booby Prince himself used SC-55>SpoilerI think it's because people saw SC-55 semi-hidden behind a can or something in this video?https://youtu.be/HpEBUV_g9vU&t=121
>>12082908At making Wolfenstein substitute enemies for the secret levels in Freedoom or clarifying the lore of Freedoom?
>>12082918Looks like a a not bad start, the sourceport chart seems like it'd be pretty useful.My only real issue isn't so much a you thing as what imgur pulled the other week, lol.
>>12082938Fuck? What's a good image host today? I can switch all of them no problem.
>nobody doing the thread challengeI tried but i died 10 minutes in, and i'm not feeling well today so i won't be completing it tonight unfortunately. Thank you for what you do though, challenge anon.
>>12082412Max in 8:51https://files.catbox.moe/uvee40.lmpI can't really figure why someone would use the default Doom2 midi for a map like this, but it was good otherwise. >>12082972The challenge's only been up for 6 hours, give it time.
>>12082953I'm not sure there are any these days, imgur did the Youtube thing of running at a loss for a decade or so, to push out the significant competition.
>>12082953There's imgchest.com, but 99% of what's posted there are those stupid choose-your-own-adventure images. Beyond that, the only thing I can think to do is uploading them to Catbox.
>>12083003>>12083014Thank you, unfortunately catbox is often blocked by ISPs and it goes down too much.I've updated all of them to imgbox, let's see if this works or I'll change them again.
It's time for Wednesday Night Wipeout!Come play some SRB2Kart!How to join (The short and easy way):Download the All-in-one repack: https://mega.nz/file/3dUUWTbR#Ir3l9U2JAKSdT84wQwbKsgQ1Go39xdCCznpF2ChCgmcExtract it to its own folder (NOT the desktop or program files)Run "SRB2Kart-Neptune (Connect to vrkart).bat" and wait for any missing files to download in-gameDO NOT run "srb2kart.exe" and expect to be able to join the server.If you don't have a 64-bit machine/OS for whatever reason: Copy the contents of the 32-bit folder into the main folderHow to join (The longer and harder way):Download version 1.6 of the game: https://github.com/STJr/Kart-Public/releases/download/v1.6/srb2kart-v16-Installer.exeGet the custom client we use: https://codeberg.org/NepDisk/srb2k-neptune/releases/tag/Neptune2.5.1Get the mods either automatically in-game or at: https://macgu.fun/repo/srb2kart/Connect to macgu.fun (either use connect in console or "specify ipv4 address" under Multiplayer)>I HAVE TO BITCH FAST AND TEXT CHAT TOO SLOWWe also have a Mumble server!Address: 51.161.34.159Port: defaultPassword: endoom>I heard this game supports proximity chat, are we using that?No.Pro tips: https://pastebin.com/YV6biqxq(This is out of date and written for a different server, but it still has a lot of useful information.)
>>12082401>still old linkJesus.
I'm a bit out of the loop - what happened to all the quake mapping activity of the last decade? Seems like a constant stream of quake maps and mods released from ~2015 (when I got back into q1) to ~2023/2024 and now nothing for months on end?Even the speed mapping and other map jams seem to have stopped?I saw some anons discussing slipseer but after checking it out I don't see much activity on their download archive or their forum, so mappers can't have just moved there.Did everyone active for the last 10 years just fuck off all at once?
>>12083028>>12083035Back from your vacation and staying sober, I see.
>>12083028>>12083035Enjoy your vacation?
>>12083031>I'm a bit out of the loop - what happened to all the quake mapping activity of the last decade?Haven’t heard many big projects for Q1 beside Ritual, and that was awhile ago now. Q2 has been having a lot of “map jams” and other content since it got its remaster.
>>12083031some drama happened between slipseer and the other quake communities, quaddicted was down for a long time, some people moved into q2 projects after the rerelease
>>12083048Nah.
>>12083048>>12083051Raped
>>12083048Sad little man.
Quit engaging with him you doofuses.
>>12083065Again, nah.Not like it's gonna convince you anyways.
>>12083072>doofuses>esHeh, nice
>>12083042>Haven’t heard many big projects for Q1 beside RitualBig projects are good, but I was more referring to the stream of individual and small map packs, and collaborative jams. It use to be that I couldn't keep up with the cadence of releases, for many years. Now it's hard to find something to play!>>12083045So a bunch of people may have just moved on? Hopefully many of them return.
>>12083086Christ almighty.
>>12083072Based on the archive before he was banned previously, I wouldn't be surprised if all the posts responding to him are him, too. Massive samefag on a crusade to destabilize the thread. Just report and hope the mods get ahead of it this time.
>>12083094If that were the case, all of those posts would have been wiped, but only his were.
Ok this actually has some color finally again. I've never listened to Nine Inch Nails but I am really not liking the music to Quake. It's atmospheric but Doom and Duke also had a lot of atmospheric tracks and had a ton of variety. Romero made the first level of Quake and now this 2nd ep is mostly him.
>>12083114Yeah, we'll get it when you get banned again. Fingers crossed.
>>12083114I don't know why I'm bothering with this, since you'll just call me a samefag anyways, but I want you to scroll back up to the posts you claim to be samefags. Notice that a couple of those posts were made less than 30 seconds apart. There's a 30-second cooldown before you can post again, so those posts can't be from the same person.
>>12083125>There's a 30-second cooldown before you can post again, so those posts can't be from the same person.Except premium exists. Nice try though, very clever.
Wow this guy is a massive faggot, bring back Alf.
>>12083128>alsoStop talking to yourself.
>>12083137He was just a schizo shit stirrer that hated Half-Life and accused it of killing FPS. Annoying but not like this. He hand drew the creator of Rekkr getting raped by John Romero once which was pretty funny. It's in the archive I'm sure.
>>12082401how did the mancubus get so fucking fat?
This is all Dennis' fault
>>12083141He used to bake breads like this
>>12083135oops.
>>12083146Because it's yo mama.
>>12083153It's possible it's the same guy but the psychotic hatred of Half-Life and the endless fellating of any sprite based FPS (especially RotT) is conspicuously absent.
>>12083148ohboyherewegoagain.jgpWho is this mod we're all supposed to know? Is he the one behind the pocketing of the protected gaslighter?
>>12083161Well now there's psychotic hatred of Megaman8bitDM so there's that.
I figured you would limp back sooner or later.
>>12083141>So this wad came out, and it was this viking wad. And I'm reading the reviews and comments and everyone is saying "Wow, this has never been done before!" and you know what it is they did, they didn't even go all the way with it, they just sort of copy and pasted areas from the single player maps into the deathmatch areas in like two levels. It's like, no, that's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about FULLY, TOTALLY DIFFERENT levels, deathmatch levels, per level... because you couldn't do it in this wad that NINE people created!"-John Romero on REKKR, Dev Game Club podcast SIGIL interview, 11/19/2019
>>1208312930 second cooldown is WITH 4chan gold, for everyone else it's 60 seconds.
>>12083171>he created another schizo conspiracy where now megaman guy is the basement anonAnd yet he will once again not be banned for this,
Peanut thinks he could use a cigarette.
>>12083141>He hand drew the creator of Rekkr getting raped by John Romero once which was pretty funny. It's in the archive I'm sure.Found it
>>12083192I hope he gets to enjoy one and a Doom wad, possibly at the same time.
>>12083171>He still begs for it.Thank you for including that bit. Kills me.>>12083191Not what the image is saying, ding dong.
>>12083171please don't respond and simply report. nobody can be pocketed forever. mods will eventually see what's going on. keep reporting, it is worth the 2 seconds it takes
Fuck it, imma go play some Doom.
>>12083207>>12083217You know, the last few threads we had while you were banned were very nice. It's almost like you're the problem.
>>12083227Yeah... That or you make a point to shit up threads with your garbage whenever people who are trying to contribute show up. But yes, very clever strategy. Only problem is - archives exist and you already admitted to trolling "the" megaman "guy" and literally spammed one of the threads with anime and copypasta.But I'm not gonna argue with you since that's what you want. Instead I propose people who actually play retro fps post their favorite screenshots.I'll start.
>>12082972I'll give it a try when I wake up tomorrow, it's been a long day for me.
>>12083284Don't engage.
>>12083113Check Ghosts I-IV out if you dig Trent's ambient stuff. It's a weird kitchensink of an album but there's some stuff there that feels like it's from the same cloth as Quake's ambient stuff, if taken in a new direction.The Slip and the EP trilogy in recent years also have some nice choices, and during the pandemic he also released Ghosts V-VI.I love how Quake informed my taste in music, and how a Quake IV OST bootleg made me listen to shit from all over the world.
>>12083227I don't think this dude ever left. He gets wiped all the time and comes back same-day frequently, so obviously he's phoneposting and toggling IPs with airplane mode. I guess it's possible that he just gets entire ranges banned and eventually runs out of them, but they probably would've stayed banned longer than they did this time. I think he goes through manic episodes for days or weeks at a time, and then gets burnt out and leaves until he regenerates his schizo mana and goes on another tirade.One thing is for sure though, the last few threads did not have a single mention of the term "megaman", "megafaggot" or anything like that, so it's pretty clear that it is literally one single guy creating all of the drama.
>>12083312>One thing is for sure though, the last few threads did not have a single mention of the term "megaman", "megafaggot" or anything like that, so it's pretty clear that it is literally one single guy creating all of the drama.How clever. Except it could also be (and is) that you're simply targeting everybody who ever talks about megaman. And we know for a fact it's at least two people, because one of them is a duke anon who you trolled into not doing anything anymore. Your shtick works on less and less people.
>>12083315>megafags are being targeted>they all come back at the same time on the same day to shit up the thread againAre you guys syncing menstrual cycles or something?
>>12083102exibit Athe one who started it all >>12083028
>>12083324>does the schizophrenic samefag (you) creating chaos in threads he bakesyes
>>12083329I mean I guess to a schizo it would make sense. But not to normal people, so nah, I don't think I'm buying it.
>>12083324>taking a screenshot of this>and then actually posting itOh my god you're an idiot.
>>12083346You're right, I mean you can get banned posting this shit. Well. We can. Anti-megaman spammer can't ;)
>>12083331>>12083332i know you won't listen, but i feel it necessary to tell you anyway: this gen probably has like a few dozen dedicated users and a handful of lurkers who float in and out. 90% of the people who read anything you say already know what you're up to, we already know you're just being a fag and stirring up drama and playing both sides of the table. so, you're not actually trolling, you're just wasting everyone's time (primarily your own).it's not interesting or funny anymore. you're not tricking anybody, you're not making anybody mad, there's no loosh to collect. you're just pushing your pink sock in and out rapidly while waving your hands and yelling at everyone to look at you. i know the whole "your le life must be sooo sad to le troll online..." is tired reddit nonsense, but it truthfully applies here. like, what the fuck are you even doing man? if you want to troll, at least do something funny and engaging and witty. go make OC like the floigan guy or some shit. regardless of what you think about those memes, that guy will be remembered forever, he left his mark, and he at least puts effort into his bullshit.you aren't going to be remembered. you won't be ascending to the halls of trollhalla because 10 years from now, when you've finally exhausted this tiresome bait, anybody who could even possibly remember you will just think of you as "that guy who tried to samefag". there's no story to tell. no meme. nothing. in fact, your antics are so forgettable that it took somebody until like 3 threads ago to point out that you've been doing this for 10 fucking years already, but nobody noticed because your strategy has no wit. if you're going to waste the precious moments of your human life doing this, at least try to make it funny and memorable. food for thought.
>>12083312No no, he was gone for at least three days. Even if he did dodge his ban, which I think he did, because a few of his posts at the end of that thread weren't deleted, he's trying not to catch any longer ones by getting caught ban evading.>>12083349That post did get deleted, though.
Dennis you better knock it off you're on thin fucking ice buddy
>>12083376stop man
>>12083385Whatever you say uhhhh [picking names out of a hat] antimegadoombrutalrtxbitdeathmatch anon
>>12083393I think you mean antidisestablishmentarianism anon.
You guys got Quake single map or short episode suggestions? Can use any mod or nothing at all, not picky.I'll start.>Honey (2 maps), underground maps with a funny ending>Witchouse Mixtape, nice, fairly easygoing map mixing wizard and techbase themes>Februus Depth, kinda hard catacomb-themed level with a lot of CQC>A Horse Named Quake, short medieval map made with Arcane Dimensions, also a bit funny
>>12083193
>>12083425>>12083478gonna need a QRD here chief
>>12083026GGs
>>12083362>That post did get deleted, though.But I'm sure he wasn't banned. He never is.
>>12083738stop man
ok I think the spammer is asleep or smth.let's agree on some reasonable quick changes that somebody (probably not me but maybe me) can make to v9 that most people would be ok with.so far here's what I got:>fix the description of megaman wad>put mm wad in multiplayerwhich means there's a spot in total conversions and to keep things symmetrical - one spot for 4chan's own mods and one for multiplayer maps. any ideas?
>>12083747>just stop explaining what's actually going on, let the troll gaslight peopleYeah nah. I'm a justice type of fella
>>12083751No thanks.
>>12083751I'd rather it was left alone at this point.https://clovr.xyz/wadsup/doku.php?id=startJust contribute to this instead.
Turns out I'm a week behind, but just found out Mohrta's release date got announced. Oct 14.Anyanon excited about this game? Maybe the demo gameplay was a bit basic and Doomlike, but fuck it, I love that art.
>>12083751>put mm wad in multiplayerNope. It's a total conversion first and foremost. V9 is fine aside from the shitty description in megaman and arguably mid descriptions for the other 2 wads but again the original descriptions are nothing spectacular either. At this point the latest version is 100% passable. If you want to add things to 4chan's mods etc - just do that, nobody (aside from the troll above me) will be against it, if it's done well.>>12083759This. Let's stop at v9 and then if somebody wants to start a new infographic from scratch - I'd be totally behind it.Btw reminder to use the actual new link for "wanna play doom": https://imgur.com/a/wB0psIaIt's your choice if you don't, but I think consistency makes sense and anything that makes a spammer seethe is a good thing.
>>12083760I liked what I tried in the demo. Haven't checked out the full release, but I'd hope there's some better sword animations at least.>>12083762>This. Let's stop at v9v8 is fine. Leave it as is, please.
>>12083765>but I'd hope there's some better sword animations at least.Last time I checked, Scumhead was really lacking when it came to animations, especially melee stuff. Always been fond of his art though.
>>12083751And to add to the previous post, at this point it should be blatantly obvious that no update will be good enough for the shitter, so playing this game of trying to appease him only to have him spam the shit out of a thread with the another improved version is not very smart. Just switch to using the new link, let him throw a bunch of fits and let the mods (hopefully) do their job of banning him. Definitely no point in becoming hostages to his will and infinite proxies.And then if somebody wants to either build upon v9 or make something totally new - the new link guy will make adjustments. And if he doesn't, we'll find a new new link guy.
>>12083765>v8 is fine. Leave it as is, please.v9 is finer. Just like how v8 was better than v7. Same rules apply.
>>12083031Feels like people are just too depressed to go on after we lost Tronyn. Maybe some day I should learn Q1 mapping and do some cool map set with Keep mod.
>>12083751>>12083762>>12083771dear god, where is peanut when you need him
>>12083775The time spent updating the infograph could be better spent adding entries to the WadsUp site https://clovr.xyz/wadsup/doku.php?id=start Those two entries aren't even on there yet. Batman Doom is though.
>>12083790We need basement anon to banish this faggot again
>>12083798Basementanon is too busy masturbating onto his plush doll and drinking ebin zased avgn beer to help the current predicament. Plz understandu.
>>12083807>he fears the elephant
>>12083790wtf is peanut? is that the new guy who pockets the anti-mm spammer?
>>12083769I love the work on this little dude, a bit weird on the transition but still adorable. Also liked the 'gotcha' moment where I was worried it was a dead kid.>>12083810Blessed and based plushy.
>>12082837Bros, should I just play Valiant and Eviternity if I think the IWADs suck?
>>12081897I really love it, though admittedly a lot of that is due to Drake. They're these what could have been one-off ideas given a full sized Quake map treatment.>>12081940The worst, but nothing to sneeze at I don't think. The first is novel if anything, but I really like the second one. The gimmick of the upside down room is ace video game making.
>>12084004>The gimmick of the upside down room is ace video game making.I really can't agree, I didn't like Blastocyst at all. The gimmick is worth a "huh, neat" once, but rapidly becomes irrelevant since aside from a few flying assholes all the shit you care about is down at ground level and the map boils down to being very flat with a funny sky. As a smaller component of a larger level it'd be fine, but it can't carry the whole map on its own.
>>12083810It's a good elephant. I should try drawing a sprite of him.
>>12084004Blastocyst and Marathon at a low FOV. These are the only times in my whole life where I ever got a headache and motion sickness playing an FPS.Still a cool map, and Ter Shibby’s opening map also works for me in a surreal way. The mod keeps getting better from there, too.
>>12084042Looks like someone converted a mansion heist mission from Thief to Quake. I'm already thinking how I could avoid guards patrolling the corridor and which rooms will get me the most loot.
>>12084051needs gaps between the rugs so that you can jump between them
>>12084061Immensely dislike when mappers thoughtlessly abuse their tiles with narrowest windows for respite (pic not related), type of imposed fake difficulty this game could have. Bonus points for the guards in perpetual paranoid state, who would come running at you on the lightest creak.There must be other annoying quirks of fan missions that I'm forgetting, but the tile floors are one of the worst ones.
>>12084152>There must be other annoying quirks of fan missions that I'm forgettingfor me it's inconsistent hiding spots (i.e. "I'm in pitch-black shadow and should totally be hidden why the fuck is my lightgem lit up like a christmas tree" type shit)with tiles you can at least move quietly by tapping W, lighting bullshit is totally unavoidable
>how it feels running anything on gzdoom
>>12084152I dunno I feel lik
>>12084158>you can at least move quietly by tapping WI mostly prefer to crawl as normal when I can afford it, or use whatever I have left from moss patches generously. The hearing distance is about 6 meters for the loudest surface and when guards are relaxed. Tapping is good when you need to slip through somewhere quickly, but it's illogical from realistic simulation approach this game exerts forward, a sort of exploit you would not expect a beginner player to come up with.
>>12084180>a sort of exploit you would not expect a beginner player to come up witheh, it isn't too hard to accidentally discover it on your own (that's what I did)
>>12084042>Jumping mid combatI can never break from the Doom mentality in fights. I still jump, but only during exploration. In combat I seem to forget all about it and just stay on the ground.
>>12082609>>12082929The official soundtrack release for Doom & Doom 2 back in the day was recorded off of an SC-55, and I'm 99% certain that it's stated somewhere by Bobby that it's the device he composed around.
Doing my 'test run' of the challenge map, and this is a good level, it looks absolutely great and the gameplay is pretty good.I'll definitely have to play this .wad in full some day.
I seriously love the aesthetic theme of this level (and presumably the whole .wad).>>12084214I'm so used to jumping and ducking when playing Quake, Half-Life, Douk, etc, etc, for so many years, that when playing Doom in GzDoom it comes completely natural to me.
>>12083175Part from 01:29:27 and onwards sounds like too much of a bullshit. It's funny how your post is a direct quote of him talking about REKKR (a minute in from my timestamp) when it reads like a fucking shitpost.https://www.devgameclub.com/blog/2019/11/14/dgc-ep-186-doom-bonus-interview-with-john-romero>>12084226>I'm 99% certain that it's stated somewhere by Bobby that it's the device he composed around.I would assume so, but couldn't fine the quote anywhere. The only concrete lead was that video being linked in Equipboard where they say:>Footage of Bobby Prince showcasing on how he make the music for Commander Keen.>Which showcase some gear like Ensoniq EPS and SC 55.https://equipboard.com/pros/bobby-prince
>>12084269I'm playing it right now. Just did Sinking Tower of Jdjrklgufitwhtyugofplmuilginsynopdkzdnhtmksldugngdmdjsdrbfnunrkdyvmfdck and it's an absolute masterpiece
Yeah I'm enjoying this way more than the base game. I don't know why I'm like this with Quake. I have never been able to finish Quake and I've tried once a year for like 5 years. I will casually play through most of Doom 1 and Doom 2 with gameplay mods all the time or load up Blood/Duke and give those a quick spin but Quake? Nope can't even give it a single full run-through. I forced myself to finish the first ep today but the maps just quickly bore the hell out of me. I don't mind the guns or the enemies. But it's the maps themselves that I just despise.Legit I get why Half Life so eclipsed it.
>>12084297I've got nothing but love for id1 maps. I still revisit them when I need inspiration. Them ceilings.
The murky bluish gray stonework, the dark night sky, and then the bright red from fireballs, muzzleflash, and lost souls, it's such a SICK visual contrast.I really love the dark and muted earth tones highlighted by stark and saturated bright colors.>>12084287I must admit that I've slept on DBP for all this time. I guess I've got a whole extra stack of .wads to go through some day. Oh no, I've doubled my Doom backlog now!
>>12084303Maybe it's just the music all sounding really samey on top of the maps being very visually boring. Legit I think NIN on music was a mistake for Quake. Interesting and the quality is there but I just think the songs all sound the same and it makes the whole experience less fun than having some actual variety in music. I know that map Crucial I just finished was using a song from Quake but it was so much more bearable there since the map was at least very visually interesting.
>>12084319I don't say this rudely, you might want to get your ears checked.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2M1PwrhVfohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6Ie-lemBxwThose don't sound 1/10th the same as each other.I'm glad you found your own way to enjoy Quake, but sheesh. I'm going to stop reading your posts before it seems like I'm just lecturing you.
>>12082562>>12082620I like Tears, but it's a rare good example of a modern Quake map. Most of those Slipseer guys only care about aesthetics, and put gameplay second (and even then they make the combat encounters more modern Doom or Serious Sam). They're too much of an echo chamber too, so nothing gets actual criticism and no improvements are made. Just look at Quaddicted - any and all maps from Slipseer get perfect ratings no matter what, because all their friends rush to give perfect scores. Because sure, a mediocre map by ComfyByTheFire is leagues ahead of Arcane Dimensions...
>>12084319try the alternate soundtrack by Sonic Mayhem, the guy they picked to make the soundtracks for Quake II and IIIhttps://archive.org/details/sonic_mayhem_-_methods_of_destruction
>>12084297>ADYeah, this is the best Quake mapping has to offer, so I'm not surprised. I wish we had more projects of this quality, but at least there are still occasional great standalone AD maps.
>>12084331While it isn't bad, it is way too overpowering and really generic for the late 90s/early 00s
>>12084340Yeah I immediately was like - this isn't what I'm looking for. I think ID had better OSTs when they had less money to throw around. And some games are hard carried by the OST. A lot of beat em ups are effectively hour to hour and a half long dance tapes. One of the high points of Auger Zenith for me is hearing Snatcher's One Night in Neo Kobe City on the first level every time I play it.
>>12084329>Because sure, a mediocre map by ComfyByTheFire is leagues ahead of Arcane DimensionsMental illness is the ultimate shield from criticism.Multiple big articles raving about 'THE BIGGEST QUAKE MAP EVER MADE!!!' and none of them mentioning that it's a horrifically unfun slog.Also I'm pretty sure this dude posted his dick here once.
>>12082858It's visual storytelling.
>>12084351>Multiple big articles raving about 'THE BIGGEST QUAKE MAP EVER MADE!!!' and none of them mentioning that it's a horrifically unfun slog.In all fairness, I remember the Doom map Foursite getting this treatment in the media too. Yeah, it's a massive adventure, but nobody mentioned how it was just an oversized generic map with a few annoying traps.
Almost finished with the map, still only my trial run and I haven't recorded my demo yet, lol, but I'm certainly gonna because this map was good.I already praised the visuals, but the gameplay is strong too. Just kinda ok/decent for the first half, but it ramps up pretty well as it goes, getting more varied, tough, and fun.The map does not starve you for ammo, you're provided with healthy and ample ordnance for the jobs at hand (though I don't hate ammo starvation levels, Hell Beneath is one of my favorite iwad levels), and you can go full hog with rockets for most of the level.I'm not gonna be beating the challenge time at all, that's for sure, but I'm glad I played this level, and I'll make sure to play this set in full some time.
>>12084329This is my problem too.Those mappers could be amazing with some more experience, they just have to drop their desperate need for senpai to notice them. It's okay to make normal sized maps sometimes too, just because AD had massive levels with 50 secrets doesn't mean all yours should too.
Hm, the soulsphere secret felt like it wasn't really telegraphed or hinted at in any capacity, which is basically my one complaint here.Still, 8/10 level, will play again.
>>12083860Sure, just be aware Eviternity is usually big map after big map with the occasional gigantic map as a treat. You might get burnt out on it even quicker than vanilla. Maybe play Machete instead of that.>>12083840It's basement anon's elephant plushie. I don't remember the entire story but it belonged to his deceased girlfriend and is like the one thing he still has that was hers.Naturally, Peanut blew the fuck out of megafaggot a couple threads back. Guy had a mental breakdown after basement anon said Peanut thought megafag could use a cig. Good shit all around, love that elephant.
Oh I hate Spawns. Does anyone actually like these gloopy dickheads? Can you explain why? They just feel like a middle finger to me, a super fast erratic Bethesda glitch of a monster that loves getting in your face and as a cherry on top of this shit sundae explodes with the force of a grenade when killed.
>>12084510when done right in small amounts they can be an excellent "OH SHIT" moment. like them near the end of a level jumping out of the dark or something.
>>12084510They're fun to put in secrets.
>>12084510They're definitely the jankiest Quake enemy. A little bit of code to make bouncing off walls affect the trajectory of their next jump would have gone a long way to making them more predictable and less annoying.I almost wonder if Romero made them that way on purpose to make Sandy's maps seem bad.
>>12084510I remember this one anon a few years back who was weirdly aggressive in his defense of them. I personally think they're entertaining FUCK YOU moments in small doses, but some mappers love spamming them in hard fights and that sucks. I'm pretty sure id themselves thought they were a mistake.
>>12084510>Can you explain why?They’re great fun with enough space or if it’s just one by itself giving you a start with its aggro sound. They’re not so much fun when you’re stuck in a closet or narrow hallway with five of them, but they at least take a moment to fully “wake up”.
>>12084524>that dodge at 7sbravo sir. that was close
>>12084510It is the most satisfying experience in the game to shoot them with a rocket.Out of the air or on the ground the second you see them, doesn't matter.
>>12084319>Maybe it's just the music all sounding really sameyI was like that when I was like 13, my first was Q2 on PS1 and I played it to hell and back, and going from aggressive industrial to dark ambient was like "that's it? that's what people praise? more than Q2 are they crazy? it's all the same hum in the background".Needles to say I consider Q1 soundtrack 10/10 now, it fits perfectly.
>>12084510It's very hard to make them fun for the blind playthrough imo.
I really hate those encounters where the mapper just gives you a BFG and a boatload of cells and asks you to wade through a sea of demons
>>12084664I like it as a treat now and then. Such as an army of imps right at the end of a level and you get to go nuts exploding them all before the exit.
>>12084664I can't recall which games did this, but I'm 100% sure some did, most of the times it's used to demonstrate how your character's power level got increased, and accompanied by some (epic) cutscene before that. And of course it felt cool as hell every time, mowing hordes of enemies (bonus: who you struggled with the whole game).Slaughter segments (let alone maps) rarely give you this feeling. Instead of a powerful hero you feel like a janitor.Somewhat related, vidrel is not a slaughter, but I'll be damned if it wasn't satisfying as hell.
>>12084214It's invaluable. You can jump over death knight volleys as well.>>12084526It was a neat "olé" moment. Warpspasm is filled with close calls, webm almost made me shit myself. It might still be the most evil-as-hell-while-still-good Quake mod I've played.>>12084706Something Wicked also had a fun scrag cloud to manage. Nice.
>>12084451>Naturally, Peanut blew the fuck out of megafaggot a couple threads back. Guy had a mental breakdown after basement anon said Peanut thought megafag could use a cig. Good shit all around, love that elephant.Oh shit I just read this >>12083171So the faggot spammer actually took advantage of every pro-megaman poster being banned to literally false flag and then made a screenshot out of it.
>>12084791>every pro-megaman posterYou mean literally just him? You.
>>12083171>>12084791holy. fucking. shit. this autist literally role played 50 messages only to screenshot it and use as evidence even though literally no megaman anon has ever had remotely that writing style. at this point if you still buy into his obvious gaslighting you must be sub-0 IQ
>>12083171>this retard literally spent his evening false-flagging against a guy who's wad proposal he doesn't like >but he didn't even bother to make it believable so nobody bought itMY FUCKING SIDES.
>>12084160>Playing Community Chest 1 with GZDoom>One map has a room where looking into it causes massive FPS dropThis actually happens in quite a few maps in CC1, IIRC Map 07 is one of those
>>12084791>>12084810>>12084819megafag is unwell.
>>12084825awww you're upset nobody believes your screenshotted samefagging? fucking kek
>>12084329It's a fun map in a weird spot, and I strongly feel it should be less immediately accessible with how "different" it feels. I like to imagine the reaction I'd have if it was the unlocked map after finding the four runes.>>12084791The 9-27 thread in general is fun, as are all the deletions: https://warosu.org/vr/thread/12060373One poster or several is irrelevant to the thread quality between then and until recently, though I just noticed some of the posts here are getting cleaned up so that's nice.
>>12084825>everybody who hates my spamming is the megafagThis is getting sad little bud. Mods, is there a way to put him out of his misery?
>>12084829>>12084846Obvious editing.I mean, that's the explanation for >>12083051, >>12083069, >>12083074, and >>12083089, so it seems only fair.
>>12084857Is this editing too? So crazy how only some of the posts of "the megafaggot" are always wiped. Almost like a certain somebody is trying to convince people there's only one person in this general who likes megaman and hates his gaslighting.
>>12084857how is it obvious exactly? these seems legit. of course it's easy enough to edit so you never really know, but definitely nothing obvious. I hope it's the same person tho. antivr faggot seems to seethe whenever his own tricks are used against him. remember when he got beat at his own vote against megaman that he created and then spammed with fake votes? lmao.
>still going on over twelve hours laterYeah this thread is cooked, time to go catch up on more wads.
>>12082401Can someone explain the appeal of Quake? Love Doom and Quake 2 but can't get into Quake for some reason. I think partly its the original level designs. Also can't stand the Ogre either. But wanting to get into it but seemingly can't. Maybe I can get a different perspective from here
>>12084510I like them, they're fun and behave really differently from the other enemies.https://files.catbox.moe/2bjl8k.mp4
>>12084884Just report and don't engage.
Just finished it, another great DBP
>>12084862>>12084869I just think it's ridiculous that all those older posts get brushed off as being edits by one samefag despite the short time between posts, but then those two newer posts are presented as being real despite the longer time between them. It just comes off as hypocritical to me.
>>12084921It's not about time delay, it's about context. Gaslighter's writing style is unmistakable. He literally has been doing the same shtick for something like a year now - and in-between he blatantly admits to trolling (pic related).The posts above could indeed be one or two people instead of three but the longer delay makes it more likely it's genuine since what are the fucking chances two or three people are glued specifically to this thread at the same time?
>>12084930>what are the fucking chances two or three people are glued specifically to this thread at the same time?you know you can have threads on auto, right? and if you have a bunch in tabs, you'll see a number pop up, indicating there's a new post. there'll also be a red dot if someone replies to you.it's not necessarily a case of someone sitting there staring at this thread. I've had this general open for years in a tab and click onto it whenever a new post hits as I mainly lurk.I was one of the people that complained about the megaman hijack attempt and got called a samefag. whatever.
>>12084930I just find it hard to believe that one person could take a screenshot, edit it, and then post it multiple times in such a short amount of time. Then again, with all the shit-flinging that's been going on, it's impossible for me to tell either way.
>>12084834>I like to imagine the reaction I'd have if it was the unlocked map after finding the four runes.Yeah, I always wished AD had a proper "Final" level for getting the runes. It's the one thing I'd have asked the modders to change.
>>12084936>I was one of the people that complained about the megaman hijack attemptWhen was that and what happened?>>12084940>I just find it hard to believe that one person could take a screenshot, edit it, and then post it multiple times in such a short amount of time.My natural inclination would normally be to assume it's genuine as well but let's be honest a faggot who will waste an evening to false-flag somebody and then screenshot it and who's been at this for literally more than a decade (we're talking before it was normal to discuss non-doom games here) would have that skill for sure
>>12084946>When was thatabout a month ago>what happenedI just wrote what happened.
>>12082412BALLS! I got too cocky with the second cyberdemon and he obliterated me! I did the test run in one try, too, only my own hubris to blame.https://files.catbox.moe/0598sh.lmpIt's getting late and I'm getting tired, but I wanna give this map another go tomorrow, it's a good one.
>>12084889I actually like Quake more. I'll try and sum up why I love it:The music is fantastic. You'd think being an FPS it'd have a metal soundtrack, but the ambient, almost Silent Hill style stuff you get instead sells the atmosphere of an evil otherworld to youThe monsters also help with the atmosphere, because they feel weird. There are almost no traditional monsters shooting bullets or fireballs at you, it's all melee, weird homing magic, bouncing grenades and lighting.The weapons are neat too. I love the nailgun, it's such a cool alternative to a machinegun. What better way to fight otherworldly monsters than rapidly driving metal spikes through them?The verticality also helps, maps can technically do more than Doom levels, although admittedly you need to play mods to see it.Quad Damage is 10/10 and reminds me of Pac-Man when you gain the ability to eat the ghosts. Suddenly you have a minute of being a death machine and it's a lot of fun.
>>12084951what do you mean by "hijack attempt"? a bunch of threads were created according to all rules with the updates link. the only actual hijack attempts were recently by the anti-mm shitter who repeatedly shit up the original new thread and then created a duplicate thread against the rules. eventually his fake threads started getting deleted thankfully.
>>12084959>updated linkfix
>>12084959>hijack attemptthe person who wanted the Megaman mod to be part of the image would say things like "well now that we have a general agreement by everyone the mod should belong there" when there were more no than yes votes on a poll I remember, as well as multiple "fuck off" messages to his posts. He would reply to the posts and say they were all one person, when they weren't.>the anti-mm shitterthis is what I'm talking about. it is not just one person.
>>12084967Why are you even giving him attention at all? Stop.
>>12084967>the personpeople>who wanted the Megaman mod to be part of the image would say things like "well now that we have a general agreement by everyone the mod should belong there" there was agreement from more or less everybody in each thread aside from the gaslighter troll. You are free to go through the archives.>when there were more no than yes votes on a poll I rememberwrong. pic related.>as well as multiple "fuck off" messages to his postsyes,from the same obvious samefag who dedicated himself to sabotaging any update to the infographic.>He would reply to the posts and say they were all one person, when they weren't.they were. there was also some legit criticism by actual people and megaman anons kept updating the new version to make it better, taking people's feedback into consideration.>this is what I'm talking about. it is not just one person.yes, it is. but it's very important to you for some reason to prove that "the megaman person" is only one guy, but his hater is many people. hmmm. curious.
>>12084979he's talking to himself
>>12084984Oh, right, he does that.
>>12084979Because he's the antivr shitter, obviously. He's 100% transparent and can always be identified by:1. His insistence that he himself either doesn't exist or is many people2. His insistence that "the megaman faggot" is just one guy3. His insistence that any addition he doesn't like is a "hijack" and has 0 agreement behind it4. Occasionally he just blatantly admits to what he's doing >>12084930>>12084984>>12084987Aaaand there he is. Don't forget to report.
>>12084281Romero should stream REKKR deathmatch.
>>12084952You were so close! Gj anyway
>>12084967>Doom Thread /vr/ strawpolls>22 votes vs 72(!)That one was likely inflated on both sides considering how fewer votes there were for the slaughtermap strawpoll, and even then it's far from a consensus.>>12084993>Don't forget to report.Doesn't look like they're forgetting with 17ish deletions so far.
>>12084980>there was agreement from more or less everybody in each threadno, there wasn't. hence all the posts saying to fuck off, and that they didn't want megaman on the pic.>wrong. pic related.that shows a 50/50 split. it was mostly no until magically more yes votes came in.>they were. they weren't. this is what you are not understanding. I don't know why you have trouble with this so much. why do you think multiple people don't want it?>but it's very important to you for some reason to prove that "the megaman person" is only one guy,this is just gaslighting. YOU started saying it was one person; the anti-mm shitter. it was a response to that.>>12084979I mainly lurk but sometimes this guy pisses me off and draws me into responding. I shouldn't, I know. I can't even view the damn pic anymore since imgur blocked the UK from accessing it.no more responses from me, megaman fag. goodbye for now.
>>12085002>Doesn't look like they're forgetting with 17ish deletions so far.Not a single antivr gaslighter post though. He's being pocketed.
>>12084996I really think I got too smug after styling on the first cyber. Again, I want to give it another attempt tomorrow.
>>12085017>you're also pretending to be from UK to make yourself seem legitsee this is how I know you're crazy. see pic. ask me to prove I'm from the UK in a reasonable way without dox and I'll gladly do it. if I do it, will you believe me? Probably not, right? Cause you're insane.
Someone should make a WAD where you just slaughter hordes of megamans.
Why can't mods just ban a single shitposter? Or two? Isn't it their job?
>>12085007>every post is the antimmsamefag>some of those posts get deleted>every post that wasn't deleted is the antimmsamefagIt's fucking impossible with you. And no, I'm not the antiwhateverthefuck guy, but that doesn't matter because you'll just claim that I'm him anyways.
>>12085026They sure seem to be able to ban me and other people who respond to the anti-mm gaslighter. But he himself is never wiped and never banned. Very interedasting indeed. Especially since he's the one starting flame wars every single time ever.
>>12085021>what are proxiesOk. Let's play along. How come you are 100% confident all mm anons are the same guy, but the obvious anti-mm guy (with a recent and non-recent track record of shitting up the general) either doesn't exist or is many people? Do you not see how it's suspicious?
>>12085026>Why can't mods just ban a single shitposter?because he has a pocket J card. maybe even pocket M. fucking come on, it's still not obvious? he managed to successfully shit up 2 "megaman" link threads with actual literal spam and all he got for creating two or three duplicate threads is a slap on the wrist.
>>12085026They did. He just got off a week ban.
>>12085038Anti-mm spammer never got banned. Or at least he only gets banned but never wiped and has a billion vpns or something.
>>12085026There's probably no jannies or mods left dedicated to the board after the hack, and they still haven't gotten to any of the new prospective recruits. I think his last ban was just sheer luck that someone saw it reported and actually acted.
>>12085032>How come you are 100% confident all mm anons are the same guyI never said that. There are some anons that are like "yeah sure, that could work in the image, but maybe the description should be changed a bit" and so on, but there is one unhinged person that would constantly go on and on about it. remember how someone made a point of there never being conversation about the mod until they came came along. and then we started seeing different internal resolutions pretending to be different posters yet the screenshot res was the same lol. Or it was something like that. and don't forget about all the multiplayer rooms that were filled with bots, showing that it wasn't popular at all, therefore didn't belong on the image.>Or at least he only gets banned but never wiped and has a billion vpns or something.you've always got an answer like this and sound idiotic.so I'll ask you again, show me how you'd like me to prove I'm from the UK and I'll do it. I don't suppose it matters anyway because the mod is there on the image now - yes, I saw it before imgur blocked UK access at the end of last month.
>>12085045>I never said that. There are some anons that are like "yeah sure, that could work in the image, but maybe the description should be changed a bit" and so onTrue.>Or it was something like that. and don't forget about all the multiplayer rooms that were filled with bots, showing that it wasn't popular at all, therefore didn't belong on the image.I was in that thread and I don't think the guy was pretending to be multiple people at all.Also guess what? A ton of multiplayer mods are empty now because it's been years. If we started deleted wads from the pic because they are unpopular we'd have 5 left.>you've always got an answer like this and sound idiotic.What exactly is idiotic? Do you not see that all the anti-mm posts have the exact same writing style and general message?>so I'll ask you again, show me how you'd like me to prove I'm from the UK and I'll do it.there is no way to prove it and I think you know it. and I mean the anti-mm spammer *could* be from UK but some of your takes are sus>I don't suppose it matters anyway because the mod is there on the image now - yes, I saw it before imgur blocked UK access at the end of last month.it's not, the same old link was used for last couple threads
I've been saying this for maybe this whole year but if just use the updated pic which at this point is actually serviceable and then wait out a couple of shit threads of the antimegaman schizo throwing a fit (cause got forbid he ever gets banned lol), we'll go back to normal as soon as he realizes his screeching against the new link has no effect. I know he's gonna get triggered and copypaste his "durr don't give the megaman anon the finger, cause like duhhh I'll spam the threads pretending I'm him again" but I'm talking to real people here
>>12085057>I don't think the guy was pretending to be multiple people at all.I know. that's what we're arguing about.>If we started deleted wads from the pic because they are unpopular we'd have 5 left.Surely the logic follows then - you wouldn't want to ADD a new mod to the image that had no multiplayer life. Isn't that reasonable? An anon was posting shots of the rooms filled with bots. >"duhh that could just be you"I don't even have zandronum or whatever it's called installed. I know you won't believe me but whatever.>Do you not see that all the anti-mm posts have the exact same writing style and general message?writing style - that's in your head unfortunately and I can't change that. I would have thought the different screenshots showing the different (you)'s on different browsers with different colour schemes would prove it to you, but no.general message - well, yeah. the general message is no, they don't want it added to the image. that isn't suspicious.>there is no way to prove it if you think of a way, come back and request it. how about this hypothetical. if say, 5-10 people all recorded their voice and said they were one of the anti mm people. you'd hear different accents and voices - would that convince you? again, hypothetically. or would you not believe that either? what would it take exactly?>it's not, the same old link was used for last couple threadsok well I remember seeing some threads made with the v9 (I think it was) that had it. I can't check that anymore.
>>12085072>cave and use my pic to appease me>>12085078>I remember seeing some threads made with the v9Yeah, 'cause he made them. No one else is making threads with his link.
>>12085078>Surely the logic follows then - you wouldn't want to ADD a new mod to the image that had no multiplayer life. Isn't that reasonable?Literal nonsense. The reason TO ADD it to the pic is so that more people know about it and thus there are more players. Literally the entire fucking purpose of the pic is to LET PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT GAMES THEY MIGHT NOT OTHERWISE. Also, it's not empty, every time I enter there's at least a couple of servers with a bunch of people. >I would have thought the different screenshots showing the different (you)'s on different browsers with different colour schemes would prove it to you, but no.Because anybody can do it and what's much more apparent is a person's agenda.>if say, 5-10 people all recorded their voice and said they were one of the anti mm people. you'd hear different accents and voices - would that convince you? again, hypothetically. or would you not believe that either? what would it take exactly?Why do you keep assuming nobody knows anything about technology lmao? AI has been a thing for years now.>ok well I remember seeing some threads made with the v9 (I think it was) that had it. I can't check that anymore.Yeah and every time the anti-mm retard lost his shit and spammed threads with anime and copypasta and then made duplicate threads until they started getting deleted. Then he acted out his samefag theater false-flagging as mm anon that he uploaded above
>>12085085>more gaslighting and lies here on channel /doom/
>>12085085>>cave and use my pic to appease meCalled it lmao. So predictable.
>>12085090>Why do you keep assuming nobody knows anything about technology lmao? AI has been a thing for years now.I haven't assumed that, and was actually asking in good faith. it was also a hypothetical you couldn't answer properly. >what would it take exactly?you didn't address this question either.I think you're just enjoying this rather than coming to the truth so I'm gonna stop now mate. have a gooden and maybe open a window. fresh air is good for you.
>megafag gets banned>no shitflinging at all>threads last on bump limit until they're on page 10>megafag gets unbanned>immediate shitting up the thread, making it unusable for half a dayHow can you be so transparent about this and pretend that nobody notices?
>>12085094The truth is you're asking in bad faith because you know you can fake any number of things.
I remember playing Aracane Dimension's version of Hangar a couple of years back and being like ehhh and if I load it up right now and hear Trent Reznor I am gonna accuse every Quake 1 fan henceforth of being a Trent Reznor's washing machine cultist and I will know the real reason I never got into Quake was because I am just not a fan of every level having a mixtape of 'sounds of Trent Reznor's washing machine' disguised as a video game OST.
>>12085091>>12085092>a minute apartYou should have spaced those out more. You made it too obvious. Also>durr don't give the megaman anon the fingerWhat the fuck is that phrasing?
>>12084281He also shit on it in this article and interview on Making of SIGIL from Shacknews in which he claims he was following its release and reading reviews, meaning he knew the name and snubbed REKKR on the DGC podcast when he struggles to "remember" the name and butchers it:>“When REKKR came out, I was reading reviews on Doom World, and they were like, ‘Wow, so, here's something new.’ And I was like, ‘Goddammit! I came up with that idea, but they came out with it first!’” he recalled. (An overview of REKKR posted on Doom World in September 2016 indicates the mod’s designers came up with the idea well before the game’s full release in July 2018.)https://www.shacknews.com/article/110199/icon-of-sin-doom-and-the-making-of-john-romeros-sigil?page=5
>>12084995>Romero should stream REKKR deathmatch
>>12084510>Does anyone actually like these gloopy dickheads?Yes.>Can you explain why?Quirky little guys.>>12084995He probably already "forgot" about that "viking WAD" with his "photographic memory", anon.>>12085107>He also shit on it in this article and interview on Making of SIGIL from ShacknewsNah, he didn't. There's nothing in your quote (which is the only time he mentions REKKR ther) that sounds like Romero was shitting on it.But he was definitely overly condescending about REKKR in DGC and that's noteworthy.
>>12085120He was salty on the podcast and disingenuous on Shacknews because he knew they came up with it way before him.
>>12085120For what its worth, Revae used to post here and was very humble (almost bitch level humble desu, he had grounds to be irritated) about Romeros comments at the time
are there any good blood wads?
>>12085139You mean mods for the game Blood, or blood-related/gore wads for Doom?
>>12085042Not as much as before the hack but there's been more lately. Some of taken a more 'nuclear' approach and just delete all of your posts across all threads on /vr/, someone in the Blizzard general found that out the hard way when all of his neatly on topic Diablo 2 HC posts got pruned for "talking shit" in another /vr/ thread.We saw the same or similar thing happen here on Sept 29, bunch of posts got whiped and it even extended to the OP.>>"but I bet my bake won't lmao.">>12085139>>12085152>You mean mods for the game Blood, or blood-related/gore wads for Doom?For a moment, for some reason, I assumed "wads for Blood" or "Blood-like wads".
>>12085135I still post here. I don't really care if Romero got a little salty. I doubt Romero REALLY cared that much either. He should've put rekkrguy's body somewhere in Sigil, like 3D Realms did with doomguy in Duke 3D.I'd put his digital head on a stake but Doom 2 beat me to it.Can't get riled up about every little thing. Have a laugh.(btw my dad did shootable eyeball switches in the 90's)(reddit spacing)
>>12085158wads for blood obv
>>12085171Like levels for Blood, or mods that add blood?
>>12085171I don't think you understand the term "wad". https://doomwiki.org/wiki/WAD
>>12085171Blood doesn't use the WAD format. That's why we're asking for clarification.
>>12085180>Blood doesn't use the WAD formathttps://blood-wiki.org/index.php?title=Re-BloodAhem.
>>12085139Seconding. Any dos-compatible levels for blood? I never played any?
>>12085192Well, the best-known mod is Death Wish, but there are others like French Meat, Marrow, Bloody Pulp Fiction, The Cult, Caleb's revenge, and /vr/'s very own 500 Milliliters of /vr/.
>>12085168Funny thing about that is that Memento Mori 2 had separate deathmatch sections in its maps two DECADES before you or Romero thought of doing that yourselves. Its mapmakers also forgot to flag said sections' items as multiplayer only, so 100% items is impossible to get in them.
>>12082724Lock
>>12084889For me it's the atmosphere and pace. It edges out Quake II for me in the gameplay because power-ups are placed instead of items you can save for later. A level with a Quad ideally has to be designed around the specific use right there. The psychological affect a Q1 Quad has for me is like my mind goes into a blind haze as I'm just instinctively speedrunning and killing as fast as possible. It wears off and I come back to my senses, usually amused by retracing my steps through the corpses.No other FPS makes me do that.
How much of those quirks and bugs Decino talks about on his channel about the OG Doom engine are still present in modern versions of GZDoom?Note: Not including things like "infinitely tall actors" which are a dedicated flag you can enable in the settings or other deliberately simulated bugs.
>>12085249They are literally listed in Options -> Compatibility Options
>>12085219Didn't Fava Beans have two maps that might have been deathmatch maps repurposed for doom levels.
>>12085219I kinda assumed it had been done before. I didn't go check though. It's a fun addition either way. I did put a lot of effort into the arenas though. Some have little gimmicks.>Its mapmakers also forgot to flag said sections' items as multiplayer only, so 100% items is impossible to get in them.I did that too... I think it was fixed tho.
>>12085256My bad, I forget that this general has severe problems with reading comprehension.
>>12085168Call him a faggot ffs Revae you were far too kind then and now. He was dead wrong to be so shitty to DOOM senpai creators like you and your team on that poscast and you know it.
>>12083193Roles should he reversed here really
Well that was a slog, the low gravity ship level was cool but the rest was forgettable and the new weapons weren't very funI heard Groun Zero is even worse so I'm not gonna play it any time soonWas the new Call of the Machine expansion any better?
>>12085274>Call of the MachineIt's much more varied compared to the expansions and I had a good time, though I also enjoyed the expansions. The variety can be a turnoff to some.
>>12085263>eceleb fag>has no idea what he's talking aboutNTA, and I don't care about what your favorite eceleb told you, but what's the difference between "deliberately simulated bug" and whatever NOT-simulated quirks/bugs you have in mind? You do realize that Doom source code has been thoughtfully picked apart into the smallest possible pieces long before your favorite faggy mcfaggot made a twitch account, and there's basically no such thing as non-deliberately simulated bug in modern source ports? Everyone know about Doom bugs, and everyone deliberately simulate them in their source port because that's the accurate behavior. Even GZDoom.
>>12084889I think it's a combo of most of the enemies having too much HP and some of the level design + enemy layout forcing you to take things more slowly than you might have in Doom 1 and 2 - like you really have to clear out Ogres in a few maps but then they only give you a shotgun + nailgun at the time unless you find x secret and that just means you are stuck slowly plinking away at them sometimes. Quake 1 I feel has the doorway problem all the time - where in you are just stuck peaking around cover to slowly kill something (usually a well positioned Ogre) till it is safe to move into the room and actually fight. Prob an issue with having two nail guns + the super shottie feeling so weak and maybe they could have given you certain guns like the rocket launcher sooner if the enemies are gonna be so chunky all the time. I think the grenade launcher might be an issue too since it is overlapping with the rocket launcher for does good damage but damages you. Shambler I don't mind but I do think Ogres are used way too much and a bunch of the low tier fodder have way too much health alongside it. I immediately enjoyed Arcane Dimensions expanded roster more but the new enemies were also quicker to kill mostly so the gameplay felt faster and snappier. I'll prob play Alkaline and Mjolnir at the same time so I'm not too spoiled by AD.And then if you aren't in love with the soundtrack it's basically what if we put EMF from Ashes Afterglow on every map in the game. But I think that has a bit too much going on even to really compare. As far Cthulhu stuff goes - I was more impressed with Strange Aeons than Quake 1 so far. The level design is so much more interesting in that.
>>12085274Call of the Machine is great. Has some nice variety, just the right amount. Plays and feels more like advanced Quake 1 mappack imo inb4 that's just Q2.
>>12085280what hud/model is that? is that part of the Reckoning mod or...?
>>12085290I really liked Dimension of the Machine and its large impressive looking levels so I was wondering if CotM is also like that
>>12085290That might be my favorite CotM level.>>12085291>what hud/model is that?That's my edit of the Crakhor player model through the Knightmare Quake 2 port, it lets you choose between original, D3, or Q4 huds.>>12085292>I really liked Dimension of the Machine and its large impressive looking levels so I was wondering if CotM is also like thatOh yeah.
>>12085290No Iron Maidens though lmbao. The more I think of CotM, the more I keep seeing ways it and the port as a whole could've gone better.
>>12085297>No Iron Maidens though lmbaoMy only solace is imagining they're being used for the Strogg version of the Daemonculaba.
For me:its the Descent trilogy
Dimension of the Machine is really, really good. I thought Quake 2's Call of the Machine was hit or miss, but at least Machine Games' Quake 1 work is 10/10. You can tell this was inspired by Arcane Dimensions from the appearance of these places, and thankfully it's mostly avoiding the "get locked in room, meet massive waves of enemies" modern maps like to do.
>>12085249GzDoom conditionally allows like 98% of the old quirks, limits, and bugs through its compat flags, so strictly speaking you should be able to more or less get pseudo-cl2 if you wanted to.
>>12085306I still half wish they used some features from Q1's expansions, or gave anything in them the remastered treatment at all. Swapping from the Grenade Launcher's updated model to the clunky asymmetrical Proxy Launcher model is weird.
>>12085306For me, Dimension of the Machine for the visuals, Dimension of the Past for the gameplay.Also, I'm realizing Juggernaut already sort of has a version of that weird 40k thing >>12085302
;)
>>12085313DotP was way too short and had no new content or stuff from expansions but it was just a little thing for 20th anniversary made by one guy
>>12085305Why do some people hate the third one?
>>12085323__ ____ __ ___ ____!
>>12085325Still found the combat and difficulty more engaging in DOPA, and it overall reminded me more of traditional Quake levels. The length difference also makes sense with how much CotM was backing the new remaster, but it still would've been nice if DOPA was longer.
>>12085306>Handrails on the platform in the backgroundSince when did Shub-Niggurath and her minions care about OSHA compliance?
>>12085350Shub's been long dead by the time Ranger makes it to the Machine. That's Chthon's doing.
>one guy having full length conversations with himself, pretending to be multiple people with opposing opinions>for 16 hoursI need to take a break from this place, man.
>>12085353But Chthon is killed in episode 1
>>12085403He got better.
>>12085327No spreadfire cannon
>>12085327Wasn't by Volition.
>>12082724>>12085228HOTPOTATO87.WAD: https://files.catbox.moe/5rvosu.zipAll for map02:>Add the Barons back to the start of the map>Add a new room>Block off the exit until the new room is completed
>>12085281>>12085307GZDoom lost KEKAROOOOOO
>>12085135>Revae used to post here and was very humble (almost bitch level humble desu, he had grounds to be irritated) about Romeros comments at the timeI know. I lurked at the time. Revae took a higher ground and was right to do so. He's cool.Throwing shade back at Romero (even if deserved) would've been a waste of time and only cause more trouble to Revae since there's no doubt a "he's jealous Romero one-uped him" would've settled him. And if "Hello, Sandy. I hope you're doing here" is anything to go by, he's all too eager to encourage people trash someone on his behalf.>>12085168>photoVery nice of Romero's ghostwriter to highlight your work with REKKR like that. :^)>I still post here.How is it going/ That Unity game you were toying around with is abandoned, yeah?>Can't get riled up about every little thing. Have a laugh.Words to live up. Even though I'm arguably in a bitter phase at the moment.>>12085219>Funny thing about that is that Memento Mori 2 had separate deathmatch sections in its maps two DECADES before you or Romero thought of doing that yourselves.There're probably more forgotten examples out there, including even earlier ones too. lol>>12085274>Was the new Call of the Machine expansion any better?Yes. Both it and Dimension of the Machine are nice.>>12085297>SpoilerNo re-release or remaster will be 100% perfect. From Super Mario All-Stars to Deus Ex Remastered, there will always be differences and changes (big, small, whatever) making things different. That's not an excuse to not strife for that perfection though.>>12085403Death is relative.
>>12085546Way I see the whole situation was Romero got kind of butthurt that REKKR did his big "new" idea first and if anything it really its a badge of honor for Revae - he succeeded in rustling Mr. KNEEL AND DRINK MY KNOB himself John Romero even if he never intended to.
>>12085168>btw my dad did shootable eyeball switches in the 90'sTwo generations of cucking Romero is pretty damn impressive ngl
>>12085484What kind of answer were you looking for exactly?
>>12085168That doesn't sound salty at all.
>>12085573That's not where he was salty, that excerpt was written later and if I had to guess it probably was pointed out to him after he was a dick on DGC Podcast that he did in fact come off as a dickHe was salty here>>12083175>>12084281
One third of the map has gameplay now. Might need to stretch my goal from the 15th to the 20th.Still got a lotta shit to map and test.
>>12085553Yeah, that's fair.>>12085582>if I had to guess it probably was pointed out to him after he was a dick on DGC PodcastDGC Podcast was on November 14, 2019.Shacknews article was on March 17, 2020.
>>12085590Never seen that can shelf before, is it original?
>>12083175The copy paste comments and the last line are what really push it over from "Aw Shucks they beat me to the punch" to actual bitchyness for me. And just his general intonation when hes saying it on the podcast.
>>12085590I like the stark contrast between the cold, grey bunker feel and the brightly coloured stuff like the posters and other decorations.
>>12085596Yeah, a friend made it. He's helping out a lot with smaller textures like the posters and signs.
I can see why people talk about this map so much.
>>12085613I think I know who your friend is from the style of the posters, lol.
>>12085635>has its own intro, textures, enemy skins, enemy types, music, progression abilitiesIt's a trip I'd recommend saving for later if you haven't seen the second hub maps yet.
>>12085648Yeah holy shit I just found the double jump + lava shield right before reading this post. What a map.
>>12082401Has anyone here made a total conversion?
>>12085738I've only made gameplay mods.
>>12085738Rekkr is a TC, and Revae occasionally comes here.
>>12085546>That Unity game you were toying around with is abandoned, yeah?Kinda? I poke around at it sometimes, and the player controller is something I wouldn't mind using in another project (or refining that one). But it would need to be scaled back for a single person to project I think. I also started a game it game that's a bit more manageable.And here's a game I did with my kid that sits unfinished (needs saving, music, and some simple story elements, plus a kids mode to make it easier).clovr.xyz/alicegameIt's like sokoban sorta. Only you also avoid monsters. Also you're a ghost. Plus teleporters.I make shit all the time and never finish it. got a Trespasser map redux I gotta finish too...
>>12085770>game itSorry, I'm phone posting. Game boy game.
>>12085738Batandy shows up from time to time.
>>12085767He just posted a few hours ago
so which Junkfood is the best one
>>12085807I liked the third one the most so far, not tried the new spinoff one though.
>>12085738I *guess* Eraser could count as a TC, though it's mostly partial sinxe there's plenty of stock textures in places and the monster roster is largely the same. The project I'm working on now is more of a proper TC, just with a short runtime.>>12085609That's the idea, it's a nice contrast and makes places stick in the player's memory easier.>>12085639Small world is small.
>>12085792I guess Golden Souls is encompassing enough in its changes and advanced levels that it's like a TC? Not sure though, much of it is still stock Doom, at least the with the first one (still haven't gotten around to the sequels). I'd personally at least call the first Golden Souls more like a Partial Conversion.>>12085803Oh yeah, so he did.
>>12085823I never knew where the cut off was for a total conversion. Back in the day it seemed to be more forgiving. Like if the goal was to change the setting entirely, even if you were using a bunch of stock weapons/textures, it was still a total conversion. It seemed mostly about the enemies/setting/story. I think the definition got more stringent as time went on.
>>12085831Today, at least in my mind, total conversion at least entails all new assets.
>>12085823>I'd personally at least call the first Golden Souls more like a Partial Conversion.It's vague but most of the guns are different enough, and I think the enemies had extra stuff to them so they weren't just the Doom ones. Even more so with the revamp of it. The sequels and Simon's Destiny definitely are TCs too.
>>12085831I guess it's all relative. Back in the day, people called Osiris a TC, even though it's just partially reskinned.>>12085856Or maybe changed assets at least? Pirate Doom feels like it could count for a TC because it really goes out of its way to reskin all the base enemies.
>>12085931Yeah, changed would still cover it I think. The term "Total Conversion" was coined by Aliens TC right? Which is also of course the first? So that would be one benchmark to judge them by I suppose.
>>12085938>>12085931Advancing technology and all that, back in the day there wasn't a lot you could change.These days comprehensive TCs are dying out in favor of just making games and selling them bundled with GzDoom.
>>12083175big talk coming from a washed up faggot whos maps are mid as fuck. howd daikatana do, john?
>>12086232>From John Romero; 6/2/1994>You may be a DOOM GOD, but I am the Master of your Universe and all that bow down to you eventually bow down to me. Yes, even YOU, KNEEL and drink my KNOB after having beaten all who challenge you. Do you dare take on your master, pitiful DOOM GOD?>Email me and request your ass beating, if you have the balls.https://groups.google.com/g/alt.games.doom/c/bNwvmpIFJ3A
>>12086241did anyone ever post a .lmp of this duel?also: for all of this huster and bluster about being a doom god, decino raped him like a scotsman with a sheephttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir8notLsKz4hell, even some random ive never heard of beat the dick off of him
>>12086258forgot the fucking second link for the rando vs romero showdown. https://youtu.be/loRBIpOQJmI
>>12086258He probably was pretty damn good at the time though, summer of '94.I am sure all these Doom hard asses of that period would get stomped by current players.
>>12086261sure, all of the usual players. but youd think that the guy whos entire crowning achievement was making doom would retain SOME of that muscle memory
>>12086263You'd certainly think so. But Romero has always talked a bigger game than he walks, in pretty much all things.
>>12086259He sucks
>>12086290he still got a +22 frag lead on "da MaStEr oF dOoM">>12086289very true, unfortunately. his ego was much higher than his actual ability in many ways.
>>12086295No I meant Romero sucks
>>12086263Sounds like most of his deathmatching was against other developers, so he just had to be a bit good to stand above them.It's not like his mapping has stayed up to scratch either, Sigil 2's encounter design gets clowned on pretty hard by community mappers with a better grasp of what you can do with just the Doom monsters instead of Caco spam.
>Battlefield 1942 >Blood>Call of Duty>Doom/Doom II/Ultimate Doom>Duke Nukem 3D >F.E.A.R. >Half-Life/Half Life II>Halo CE/Halo 2>Hexen/Heretic/Heretic II>Marathon 1/2 >Medal of Honor: Frontline (Wishlist)>Quake/Quake II>Red Faction I (Wishlist)>Rise of the Triad>Serious Sam I>Soldier of Fortune>Unreal Tournament 1999>Wolfenstein 3D/Return to Castle WolfensteinHaven't gotten around to ALL of these games yet, but here's what I have after doing research + lurking in these threads. You guys know of any other classic FPS's I should get?
>>12086302Liquidator 3D is a must
>>12086296oh, my mistake. sorry, anon>>12086297>Sounds like most of his deathmatching was against other developers, so he just had to be a bit good to stand above them.well, he did do a lot of deathmatching with randos. allegedly, if civvie11 is correct (doubtful), he played so much doom that carmack actually locked his computer after x amount of time during the development of doom 2. i have no idea if this is true, but assuming it is, it wouldnt be particularly difficult for a developer to beat the average joe blow whos only ever played solo. i dont imagine too many people were fragging in the doom 1 days. or maybe they were, i dunno, i was a quake 2 brat so i missed out.>Sigil 2's encounter design gets clowned on pretty hard by community mappers it definitely isnt the greatest. but i wont say its the worst ever when shit like The Parasite of Good Will exists. still, theres definitely better, more engaging encounters. even his doom 2 maps werent particularly good, imo.>>12086302shadow warrior is fun, and so is descent. though, descent is way different than those games youve listed
>>12086302System Shock 1 is a must play
>>12086307Cucckie11 got that from Masters of Doom I think. As I recall it he installed (without their knowledge) software on all the computers at the office that logged the time they were actually working and not just playing games and then confronted them all with his findings.
>>12086313ah, so civvie11 got it wrong. it just logged the time rather than locked them out. makes sense
>>12086304That one looks pretty fucking cool, snagged the ENG patch too.>>12086309That was one I saw a LOT but forgot to write down, I'll download it and add it to the library, thanks.
>>12086313Supposedly the book got that wrong, with it actually being the owner of Cygnus Studios who did that.
>>12086323Hmm I hadn't heard that. Interesting.
>>12086302>>12086317and as other anon already mentioned, don't forget Shadow Warrior. You got Duke and Blood so SW is the 3rd one of the big 3 and also the best one
>>12086302Dungeons of the Kremlin
>>12086326Yeah forgot to reply to his post lol, downloading it right now>>12086327I just watched a short bit of gameplay, it looks decently fun but is this a parody shooter? The sound effects are really cartoony.
>>12086302>>Unreal Tournament 1999>no regular UnrealHave you played it already?
>>12086330>Have you played it already?No, it slipped my mind completely. I'll go get it right now.
>>12086328Yeah I was just shit posting lol
>>12086335Fair enough, when I have more of my current collection completed I might try it for shits and giggles because it does look entertaining
>>12086302system shock 2 since someone already said 1. ss1 remake is fun but i think playing the original is a must first.unreal 1998if you like halo 1/2, then you'll probably want to play 3 and maybe even odst and reach if you really like halo. i can't recommend anything after that.aliens vs predators 2 is a must imo, made by monolithfeel like i've veered straight off a cliff recommending you halo in terms of like boom shoots but there's also some classic tactical fps games worth playing like swat 4 and ghost recon 2001. if you like battlefield, i still think 2142 is worth playing. there's a small community still playing it.
>>12086302oh and also half life opposing force, ez pick. blue shift is pretty meh imo but if you really like half life it's short so no harm in playing it
>>12086295I wonder how he'd fair against the average /vr/ user. I was slick shit 5-10 years ago, but I haven't deathmatched in ages.
>>12086323This. Supposedly it was because he was inspired by Carmack's work ethic and wanted to hold his studio to a higher standard.It was a>everyone hated thatmoment.
>>12086345>then you'll probably want to play 3 Played it many times and like it (well the MP at least, I'm not strong on Halo campaigns and think they kind of suck), I just didn't include it since iirc it doesn't fall under this board's definition of "retro".>but there's also some classic tactical fps games worth playing like swat 4 and ghost recon 2001. Only tactical FPS I've played is Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield, and I just thought it was decent. I'll look into those but I doubt I'll play them until I've thoroughly exhausted my backlog.>>12086349Have played both extensions, but I need to re-purchase Opposing Force because in a pure bout of stupidity I refunded my purchase of it because the installation was fucked. (Even though I knew how to verify the integrity of the game files by that point. <_<)
>>12086302Delta Force: Task Force DaggerFar Cry
>>12086404>Far Cry360 or PC? Because the only times I ever played a Far Cry game were on an Xbox.
>>12086408PC is the original platform, the console ports took 10 years to come out.
>>12086432Gotcha, PC it is then
This took me like 2 hours. Good comfy exploring to find most of the shards and I loved all the custom content. Missed 2 of the secrets and the game said I was shit at the end for beating that final fight too slowly. It's so big that I doubt I will compare it to everything else in AD or other Quake mods to it similar to how I treat other large complex levels in Doom where in I can only really compare them to each other.
>>12086357dunno, honestly. i doubt theres a whole lot of deathmatching going on unless its meganigger8balldm or whatever. i doubt zdaemon is anymore populated, too, and it used to be full of dm servers
>>12086447Oh question - did Eraser take any inspiration from Tears of the False God? I felt it had slightly more in common with Tears than it did Maskim Xul's 2nd map in terms of structure.
>>12086452What about the kex Doom port, for normal dm?Captch : DMAPP
>>12086432>PC is the original platform, the console ports took 10 years to come out.Original PC release was 2004. Instincts came out in 2005 for XBox.Though tbf I don't really know the difference between the two. I've only played the demo on PC, and I'm like halfway through the Xbox release.
>>12086602i would rather get raped by a pack of horny elephants one right after the other than play anything nightdive has made
>>12086605>tbf I don't really know the difference between the two>A remake of the original Microsoft Windows version of Far Cry, Instincts is less open-ended and more linear, due to the console's reduced processing power which prevents the full rendering of the Windows version's vast islands and landscape. However, Instincts adds new multiplayer modes, weapons, and 'feral abilities', the latter being reflected in the modified storyline.
>>12086302Redneck Rampage + Rides AgainSiN + Wages of SiNTurok
>>12086302the first generation of Rainbow Six games and their expansions (Rainbow Six: Black Ops packages all campaigns into one game and it's a standalone package)Shogo:MAD, just to experience first-hand how fair and balanced random critical hits areProject IGI and IGI-2 if you like janky stealth FPS games (be sure to set the mouse sensitivity very low in the game's settings or aiming might skip pixels)
>>12086653igi and igi-2 are vastly different games and igi is surprisingly competent and fun if you strafejump through it
Is this the right level of autism from Doomguy?
>>12086302Does Ecks vs. Sever count?
>>12086661As someone who also has the original image saved: get the fuck out of here with that shit.
>>12086679Problem, officer?
>>12086679whats the original image? not that anon, just really curious
>>12086703It's just a still drawing. These are movies, anon.
>>12086704yeah, i know. also i didnt mouse over them so i didnt see them move. im not particularly interested in ai slop.
>>12086708I'll make sure to cater to you, personally, then.
>>12086724as you should
>>12086330I never could get into Unreal. It was atmospheric and felt cool, but the enemies are so tanky Quake 1 looks reasonable and the earliest, basic monsters have double rocket launchers.
>>12086734sucks to suck
>>12086735This isn't /v/.
>>12086737stick to knee deep in the dead clone megawads since good games aren't for you
>>12086734maybe try lowering the difficulty or learn to use the double tap dodge? it can be a rough game if you arent prepared for it. quake is definitely more user accessible, imo. doesnt mean it also isnt good, just that its easy up till you meet the spawns.
>>12086734>basic monsters have double rocket launchers.They're also slow as shit (both the guys and the rockets) and not particularly accurate, just keep moving.
>>12086749>>12086761Yeah, I'll give it another go at some point. I like the guns, Unreal Tournament is great, but the small taste of combat I had in the original Unreal wasn't what I was expecting at the time.
>>12086769yeah, thats fair. like the other anon said, just keep moving. quake is also movement based, so youll wanna keep moving in that too. never stop unless you have to or unless its safe.
Speaking of movement, this current conversation reminds me of when I first played Doom as a kid.For some reason, moving while shooting never occurred to me so I stood still to shoot like a retard and thought the game was very hard because of it.I was effectively a 90's FPS enemy.
>>12086783I think that applies to all of us, Anon. First person games are a lot to take in for newbies.
>>12086783I had a friend nearly my age who doing exactly that in Killing Floor 2. Minimal movement while shooting and little spatial awareness.
>>12085770>>12085773>Kinda?I see, alright.>I also started a game it game that's a bit more manageable.>Game boy game.You posted something about that a long time ago. Seemed neat.>And here's a game I did with my kid that sits unfinishedIt's cute. Played through one level, your kid did well there for sure.>I make shit all the time and never finish it.I should do something too. Aside from stalling with starting Vestiges of Grandeur and then jumping into Chasm or Strike between other off-topic & off-board games.
>>12086289>>12086295I would say that his ego is still much higher than his abilities. Especially for current age.>>12086309>System ShockShould play it despite link related (I know I can play original; I'm achievement idiot) and Nightdive pulling Blade Runner with System Shock 2.http://hasnightdivefixedsseeyet.com/>>12086323>Supposedly the book got that wrongWas that only stated by Romero or anyone else properly elaborated on that?>>12086345>ss1 remake is fun but i think playing the original is a must first.Remake is a different game. It's like telling someone who wants to play Half-Life to get Black Mesa instead.
>>12086890>I would say that his ego is still much higher than his abilities. Especially for current age.oh, of course. hes a complete airhead
>>12086302moh frontline is overrated, only console moh worth playing are the ps1 ones, and if you end up liking rtcw & cod1 give allied assault a try
How am I supposed to get there again?
>>12086330I think the number one thing that held Unreal back from being as good as the other 90s classics is its HUD is completely uninspired.
>>12085462lock
>Want to make Quake maps>Know I have good ideas>Completely unskilled at making good looking geometry>Responsibilities and ambitions away from vidya prevent me from getting good at sculptingIt's a special kind of misery.
Where have all these "you didn't beat the game" and "game sucks and is bad and you should feel bad for liking it" retards have suddenly come from?Every fucking thread has these crybabies.
>>12086942That's always been a thing>Pistol start vs continuous >Super shotgun is unbalancedetc.
>>12086938Just make id1 looking maps. Not every map has to be a modern highly detailed one hour slogfest.Maps need to play well first and foremost.
>>12086938Bruh, sculpting? Quake only supports brush-based mapping, which is a specific workflow of polymodelling.
>>12086948There has always been some of that but now it appears almost like a broken bot.
>>12086734What was the difficulty you played it on, by chance? Unreal Gold adds several more difficulties that are more towards coop and really skews up the health and aggression. The original only went up to ‘unreal’.
Doomer Boarders have their stagnancy days too apparently. Their current project has a total of 1 single map submission, which is the lowest activity since DBP42-44 joe-ilya's led months. Development topic started back in August and deadline ends at the end of October. Theme is the abandoned (dawn of the dead, post black friday, bankrupt) shopping malls.
>>12086924Oh I see it's doable with SR50 or with rocket jump lol>>12086936HOTPOTATO88.WAD: https://files.catbox.moe/6c21a8.zipFixed mancubus not teleporting inFixed possible softlock in coop (yellow keycard fight)Replaced exit hole with vertical portal so you can wait for all monsters to die before going inAdd more rockets and cells to the exit staircase so it's more doable
>>12086454Nope, I only heard of AD by the time I was halfway done with Eraser and it was taking up *most* of my waking hours so I barely had time to play games. Only reason I brought Maskim Xul up is because both are big, sprawling maps that more or less let you go anywhere you like - either way, I still think Eraser is nowhere near as good or tight like that. I think I even called it a poor man's Library of Nightmares at some point.This does remind I should go back to AD already, get Bogbottom out of the way *again* so I remember where all the tomes are and get my playthrough of it going after like 8 months. I love AD but the huge maps that take hours to clear sometimes give me an aneurysm.
>>12087030Is this DBP77?
>>12087060I thought it might have been the other way around. Maskim Xul I think suffered from changing the weapons up too much once you got to map 3's Archvile library and the final fight right after. Amazing extremely hostile atmosphere tho from beginning to end. Eraser having a more standard loadout but upgraded was far less frustrating to play.
>>12085648>picAll that's missing is Quaddicted's Quake Injector as a replacement for the HOPE syringe
Slaughter maps are so stupidAm I really meant to believe demons would just stand still perfectly in formation in some random part of hell waiting for a doomguy to kill?Really messes with the verisimilitude of the map
>>12087030doomerboards has fallen, millions must map
>>12087030>Theme is the abandonedCan't fault them for sticking to the theme then.
>>12087247Kek
>PUSS 45 is still unfinished >the jump from 44 to 46 in my PUSS folder is still bugging the shit out of me
>accidentally move my quake shortcut over my ZDL shortcut>it wipes all my maps from ZDLI guess it's time I finally setup Doomrunner and organize my mess of a doom folder.
>>12087168Videogame reviewer from 1993 talking about monster closets:
Meanwhile over in Zandronum.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPHyUK71n1c
>>12087035I don't know why the exit needs a teleporter at all. There was already a death exit sector you could land on, and there were impassable linedefs surrounding the back of it so you couldn't jump over.
>>12087115Yeah, you're right. In technical skill shown it may be inferior, but familiarity has its own merits. Obsidian also tends to make dehacked/voodoo sorcery first and maps second so by consequence they feel a bit hollow on occasion.Something about the idea of a map that is well-designed enough to avoid relying on teleport traps and encourages both players and monsters to move through it is just appealing to me.Anyway, got started on the dorms. I think I'll deliberately make them a bit less functionality first because I'm kinda tired of making only utilitarian spaces already.
So what's the Consensus on Legacy of Rust?
>>12087360It was ok, not worth the hassle over ID24 shit though.
>>12087360It was fun aside from maps 6, 13, and 14.
>>12087347I think my real issue with the weapon roster towards the end of Maskim Xul was that the Grimoire Excidium - didn't just eat your health for ammo. It also ate your armor. If it only ate your health that would be one thing. But the armor limited its usefulness in the final fights and made me wish I had a BFG9000 instead. The jackbombs needed to be able to be cooked, thrown, or possibly just set as a proximity mine - too many times the enemy would just walk past it even on redoing an entire fight. So again I felt it felt like I would have been better off with a plasma gun. And it felt like for all the time spent waiting for it to detonate - the bomb itself didn't do enough damage. Both ideas were neat - I just wish the execution had been better on both.Rest of the guns I had no issues with but the two plasma alts being worse than the original and the enemies deadlier made map 3 less fun than it would have been.
>>12087384It can't actually eat your health, it just shoots with a shotgun in your face.
Same anon from yesterday, thank you all for the recs; these will keep me satisfied for a long while.
>>12087168Wait until you discover pickups.
>>12087360I remember playing through the first three maps when it released, and thought it was quite decent, but I got away from it and never got back into it.
so is hot potato the Halloween porject this year or what? when is release?
>>12087487When it hits 99 iterations.
>>12087494When this baby hits 99 potatos per hour we're going to see some serious shit.
>>12087035Lock
>>12087487I don't assume so, but maybe we could do a second, smaller Potato project with a Halloween focus?
>>12087402have fun
>>12087538Will do! I think of all of the games I'll try Allied Assault first, since I've been itching for a good WW2 campaign lately.
>>12087526I like the idea of passing the wad around as it eliminates the need of maintainer but maybe everyone should only touch his own map?
>>12085327No high score table. You must have a high score table.
>>12087035>>12087524HOTPOTATO89.WAD: https://files.catbox.moe/y9hbj8.zip>Add an invisible wall above the teleporter so you can't run right over it.>Change the teleport to the death exit room to be silent>Change some enemy spawns for map02.
how will hotpotato be played btw, is it vanilla friendly or will we require something else to play it? sorry I'm a bit of a noob, but know ID24 allows you to do extra things but requires certain files in addition, right?
>>12087294So PUSS 40 is not bothering you?
>>12087585mbf21Use gzdoom or nightly build of woof for best compatibility
>>12087634>mbf21or rather mbf21+dsdhacked+umapinfo+musinfo+sndinfo+voxel
>>12087634>>12087638thanks, I got gz so I'll run it through that. looking forward to what's been made!
>>12087589Fuck me running, how did I not notice that before?
>>12087360I preferred the new Quake episodes, the new Doom episode was just OK and had the misfortune of including cut soiface monsters that I cannot take seriously.
>thought bloom was just a port of blood to doom>its actually new content, weird fusion of bloom and doom with new enemiesoh ok now i get it, after im done with blood (original game) im going to try it
>just going into every Arcane Dimensions level and backing out if I hear the same 3-5 Trent Reznor songs that every map seems to useThis is mind boggling to me.
>>12087665Just bear in mind that it's all you're going to get, the developer got very salty about it not getting a Cacoward.
>>12087675normies are completely indifferent to music and love doom 2's soundtrack
>>12087683That is actual music but they also don't use it on every level. You load up the most popular mapsets and you are gonna find custom music on most maps. Not always - but a good chunk of the time. And there is enough variation in Bobby Prince's soundtrack to keep things fresh using just his Doom music in a megawad.Do people just not play Quake mods? Every other map I am seeing just picked Gloom Keep or Focus. How is this not a bigger complaint? You'd think people would want to copy Tears if it is such a popular map and maybe recognize a different song might draw people over. I feel like I've been posting next to NIN cultists the entire time and I can't trust a thing they have to say anymore since they just want every map to have Gloom Keep in the background.
>>12087554Maybe better. I wouldn't perhaps mind some basic Halloween map project where people make one map each with a deadline for the 31st or so.I like Ad Mortem's palette and textures, and I'd like to map with them, it's got that great Halloween mood, but I don't think that's like, available as an untangled and free asset or anything.Perhaps we could just do a little map project like this using whatever the latest build of Ad Mortem is as a pseudo-iwad? It could be dubbed Sub Mortem or Side Mortem or something, maybe going for a 2048 size just to make sure people don't get too carried away.Not the most original solution or anything, but it's something straightforward and low-resistance which fits the mood of the season.
>>12087683Normalfags play Arcane Dimensions?>>12087675I was annoyed by that too, I ended up loading up different sets of music I had every now and then, where I'd be playing maybe 1 level of AD per day or so.
>>12087675>>12087698Almost like Quake has a very particular atmosphere that is heavily defined by NIN's ambient tracks, which are hard to find adequate substitutes for.This isn't the whacky MIDI wild west of Doom.
>>12087716Sure, but the same few tracks repeated so often is just not that great. That's why I would sometimes slot in Trent's Ghosts IV album, or one of the expansion pack soundtracks.
>>12087716There is a ton of ambient music you can find outside of NIN's tracks. This is not a valid answer. I am not accepting it in any way shape or form. And no you don't need to just stick to NIN only. I don't accept that answer either. I'm about to load up Alkaline, Mjolnir, and test for this.
>>12087705In short:>doom2 iwad>MBF21>Ad Mortem as texture pack>2048 map size>be done with your map by October 31stI'm too tired to be thinking of anything more creative, I'm taking a nap.
I was gonna test Immortal Lock for this too but I just saw it had a music folder with stuff that isn't NIN in it and I suddenly understand why it's popular.
>>12087723I agree with you in principle, but the NIN soundtrack has a great synergy with the quake atmosphere more than a lot of generic ambient music, which I listen to often when working.I have played a few quake maps that used baroque music to great effect. Two I remember off the top of my head - Handle's sarabande and Vivaldi's winter.
>>12082401Is it just me or the way Hendricks266 describes it is that Refreshed Supply is actually a Fresh Supply patch from technical standpoint?https://www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2973079
>>12087487This general has never been consistent with yearly projects, Halloween or otherwise. I'm not sure what you were expecting. >>12087675I agree. I assume in the early days of quake modding there was hesitancy to replace music, since suitable CD tracks are rarer, bigger filessize, and more likely to attract copyright concern compared to midi, but by now custom music should be the default. >>12087716Most modern quake maps make little pretense of maintaining the same atmosphere as the original levels, and I think that's ultimately beneficial to avoid monotony. The same should apply to the music.
>>12087709normalfags do play arcane dimensions and shill it as the first time quake's combat design got good
Mjolnir has a ton of music in it's folder. I should check this out. I like this soundtrack just from skimming it already. Lots of moody pieces that are also actually music.
>>12087698enough variety in 6 minute 12 bar blues slop that's serviceable only as background music gg. atleast quake's ost is honest about being background music and reuses the grenade sound effects in a similar way that aubrey hodges did
>>12087764>Gain exclusive access to Blood's source code, something the retro FPS community has been begging and searching for for YEARS since the game became a later cult classic.>Have the opportunity to make an actual definitive re-release of Blood.>Instead use it as REFERENCE MATERIAL to make more updates for their reverse engineering of the game.Is this a fucking joke?
>>12086302i would say for you to drop cod and medal of honor because of how linear and unfun they are, but hey you do you man. i would recommend no one lives forever 1-2
>>12087797>i would say for you to drop two shitty goldeneye clones in favor of these two shitty goldeneye clones
>>12087802green text and no argument, you can reply to this post to feel like you won though
>>12087810i won the genetic lottery and you're a jeet
>>12087813>>12087810ur both fags.
>>12087797>i would say for you to drop cod and medal of honorI might have to drop MOHAA, it refuses to launch even after I got a patch and ran it in comp mode + administrator. I'll try getting a different copy (got the one off Archive.org this time) but if I can't get any version to work then I'll just move to the next game on the list.
>>12087818idk if openmohaa is release ready yet but you can try that
>>12087820Seems like it is, I'll give it a shot. Thanks man!
>>12087795It's Nightdive so they'll get away with bullshitting their fanboys for a second time around because of convenience and because people buy the lies about them doing game preservation.
>>12087675Yeah, I'm convinced AD only uses a couple of the NIN tracks.
>>12087871I went through earlier - aside from one map which uses no soundtrack and Tears with its own custom theme - everything else was from the Quake 1 ost which was by NIN. Many duplicates of the same song over and over.
>>12087875I have to admit I remember being disappointed by this. The maps are almost all 10/10, but the lack of variety in the OST was a problem. Yeah, the Quake soundtrack is brilliant, but the mod is massive and after a while you get bored of hearing it.
