>reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Sega autist is preferable to your insipid meltie

>>12092564
Plus just start another Sega thread you jealous fag

Armored Core 2
Kikou Heidan J-Phoenix
Maximo
Sly Cooper
Nanoblade
0 Story
Ka!
G-Breaker
Remote Control Dandy SF
Hoi-Hoi San

>>12092564
basically a practice xbox

It's amazing how mediocre the PS2's library actually is. It seems like it shouldn't be, like, surely a console as popular and as well regarded as something with tons of good games like this would have to actually have a decent amount, right?

But when you sit down and go through them, you realize how much of it consists of games that "look better than they are". 3D GTA was a huge selling point and something people saw as the most cool and advanced thing when it game out, a big world you can drive around freely and kill people in etc. But how many people honestly thought the core game play and missions were that good?

Look at Jak and Daxter. It's the latest platforming game by the Crash devs, and it has amazing tech that let you play around a seamless, exporable world where you can see everything in the distance. Surely it must be amazing, right? Well, the platforming sucks compared to the Crash games, and the exploration is kind of crummy compared to Banjo/Spyro, but it's the best you have, because every other platforming franchise and dev either turned their series into a 3rd person action shooter, or was handed off to some inferior no name dev to die.

DMC became "the future" of action games, but focused on gimmicky combo/style bullshit over dealing with/weaving through enemy attacks.

So the "cutscene games" like FFX, MGS and Dragon Quest 8 really are some of the best things it had, sadly enough.

The fact that the PS1 has such a vastly better array of good games seems astonishing, until you just sit down and see the piles and piles of actually cool shit on it that the PS2 just lacks. Like, seriously look into how many 4+ player games that the PS1 had, then compare that to how many things used the PS2 multitab (yeah, it 'existed') in a meaningful way at all. Look at the excellent, creative cinematic platformers, like Tomb Raider and Oddworld, and see that the closest equivalent here are the far more basic 3D Prince of Persia games.

I only care about jrpgs and I realized other than ffx most of the good stuff is on the ps1 (not psx)

>>12092616
>>12092624
ps1 can barely render 3d. Its games has aged horribly

>>12092629
I can get used to fugly graphics. What I cant get over is the lack of proper games. Fucking spider man, fifa #20 and other slop is not more fun just because it has a few more polygons.

>>12092606
So the Switch then...

>>12092635
PS2 has a better version of every ps1 3d game

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>>12092640
>trust me bro
no I won't lol

>>12092629
That's the thing. You'd think that this would be a huge factor for the quality of the games, and that PS2 games would naturally offer much more polished takes on what the previous console did, but it somehow turned out the complete opposite way, with devs somehow collectively figuring out how to create amazing 3D titles within a couple of years of dev time, extracting the most out of a console with limited 3D support in spite of this, and then floundering and producing tedious, uninspired, messy crap when given a system with the power to do proper justice to 3D.

I have no idea how it happened, but it did.

>>12092640
Lol

>>12092564
Unfortunately, "cutscene games" are what happen when you pair ~~underpowered~~ hard to develop for hardware with high capacity storage. The Gamecube's small discs forced its games to focus on raw gameplay, while the Xbox was practically half a generation ahead of its contemporaries, and had plenty of power to spare.
Much of my interest in the PS2 as a platform would be wiped out if Ratchet and Katamari didn't exist. Those games are fucking kino, and actually have fun gameplay instead of being "cutscene games". PS2 also had Burnout Dominator, which didn't make it to the Xbox, but the Xbox still has 3 and that's the best one.

>>12092657
Fuck, my strikethrough didn't work. Oh well.

>>12092635
>I can get used to fugly graphics.
Yes but can you get used to 15fps games? I sure as hell can't.
>>12092653
Dumb phoneposter
>>12092660
Dumb newfag

I went from PS1 to PC at the time and never felt like I missed much, the only games I wish I had were Tekken 4, Silent Hill 2 and Resident Evil 4 (the PC port was terrible, you couldn't use the mouse to aim if I remember right)
>Onimusha
Already played Soul of the Samurai
>Crash
Was already bored of Crash after 3, and CTR was a far better kart racer than the PS2 version
>Tenchu
Already played Tenchu 1, and after playing 2 a lot (despite being bad) was done with the series
>MGS2
The beggining is great, but was already bored of MGS pac-man style gameplay by now

>GTA:SA, Max Payne, Freedom Fighters, Far Cry, Prince of Persia, Need for Speed Underground 2
Played these on PC, most of them are better with keyboard and mouse. Got a cheap controller at some point just to play Need for Speed properly but even PoP was doable with keyboard+mouse
Also PC had Age of Mythology

>>12092679
Yes the pc port of re4 needed an extra addon to work well and Mgs2 also got a pc port

I also went from n64/ps1 to pc and skipped the 6th gen. The games from ps2 that at the time i wish i could play were mgs3, gow and zelda ww and tp on gc. No regrets for staying on pc though

>>12092616
>It's amazing how mediocre the PS2's library actually is.

What a sad cope. You wish that was true.

>>12092564
OP is a cocksucker

>>12092639
Nope. Check your facts before being an arrogant cocksucker.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles

>>12092679
On pc we had doom 3, hl2, fear, all the rts and mmos. Even halo got ported

If you were into rts there was absolutely no reason to envy console libraries. Ao2, aom, aoe3, bfme, wc3 etc

>>12092701
6 gen is surprisingly skippable for the most part. It's outright freakish how much better 5th gen was overall and how little games advanced through proper, full powered 3D with minimal compromise being available.

Like, Halo was actually pretty novel and combined a bunch of stuff that hadn't been pulled off well at the same time before (multiplayer,vehicles, huge maps,advanced AI that can defend themselves etc.), but Timsplitters 2 was barely as interesting as Goldeneye and Half Life 2 was weaker than the first in a lot of ways. There was surprisingly little going on with FPS then that didn't end up gimmicky.

The most standout thing 6th gen really had would honestly have to be Smash:Melee, nothing else is such an obvious 'desert island' tier game.

>Dude, Silent Hill 2 is so good!
>play it
>it's not good
This is like every PS2 game, I swear.

Who cares? What's the point in console warring when we've all played them all and you can emulate or get PC ports?

>>12092678
So the PS2 has better Legacy of Kain games, and Tomb Raider?

>>12092720
As a pc gamer halo never impressed me desu. In fact i always wondered why it was so popular. I grew up playing fps on pc. Doom, outlaws, medal of honors etc

>>12092734
Even playing stuff like Timesplitters, and even old N64 fps games at the time, I was like "who the hell cares about Halo?"
I mean, it was fine. I had fun playing it with friends a few times. I never liked the fact you could only have two guns, which felt like a needless limitation. I never felt any particular draw to Master Chief or the Halo universe. It's just an ersatz version of about ten other sci-fi universes.
I remember looking over my shoulder at Aliens vs Predator 2 on PC and being like "shit, I want to play that game, not Halo".

>>12092728
Moron.

>>12092741
It's not a good game.
The SH developers misunderstood everything that was good about survival horror, I swear. I had more fun playing old ass DOS Alone in the Dark.

>>12092737
The only fps i wish i had access to was probably darkwatch because the visuals looked cool, but on pc we had painkiller (which i never got to play)

>>12092752
Just because you personally did not enjoy it does not mean it isn't a good game. You (and your tastes) are not nearly as special as you think.

>>12092802
>every room and corridor looks the same
>every street looks the same
>enemies are more annoying obstacles than they are things you have to worry about
I really feel like they just fundamentally didn't get it.
The RE mansion is so well designed and memorable, I can basically map out the whole thing in my head. I distinctly remember the moment that Hunters enter the map, and the difficulty ramps up. Silent Hill gives you none of that. It's just a boring slog of grey corridors.

never understood the praise for the ps2 library, it has some great games but I always preferred the ps1 overall and was disappointed by many sequels that the ps2 birthed

PS2 has 2 main weakness that make the PS1 the better system

1)lack of 2D games

2)vastly inferior multiplat for most games unlike the PS1 which has the best versions of most multiplat 5G games

>>12092564
I like the more artsy games Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, Katamari Damacy, and Okami.

It also has some great action games like Soul Calibur and Star Wars Battlefront, as well as a ton of Final Fantasy games and Kingdom Hearts.

Backwards compatibility with PS1 and DVD functionality also help. Solid console.

>>12092564
have mine from /v/ from a few days ago:
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/722612370/#722613163
PES 5
F1 2005
MotoGP 3
WRC4
Gran Turismo 4
FIFA 2005
Colin mcrae 04
Tony hawk 4
Enthusia racing
This is football 2004

>>12092564
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/720441003/
Except that's not true at all. It's not the GameCube or Xbox where you'd see the same 15 games picked ad nauseam

>>12092616
DMC is so much better than anything on PS1. It's sad knowing this is the same retarded faggot that said Rocket Robot is better than most PS2 games when it's just a shitty prototype for Sly, lol.

>>12093128
DMC3, maybe. DMC1 hardly knows what it's trying to do, and DMC2 is DMC2.

>>12092657
>small discs forced its games to focus on raw gameplay
nah shitshine is fucking slop can't get past the first unskippable cutscene, smelee is a troon simulator. the rest of the library is shit dreamcast ports and a shitty remake of mgs. ps2 mogs

It's time to accept the fact the ps2 library is qualitatively smaller than n64's

>>12093175
shut the fuck up

consoles have had no gaems since the beginning of recorded history

>>12093175
this thread alone has already mentioned more ps2 games than total number of n64 games exist lul

>>12093180
>>12093209
You owe no allegiance to sony. Accept it!!!!

>>12093209
Yeah, classics like "car game".
Who plays this stuff?

>>12093220
yeah bro now lets list the 64 classics uh mario....oot...and uh..er..

>>12093217
Snoy is shit, but the PS2 will always kick the fuck out of the n64 lol.

>>12092564
Kingdom Hearts 1
HoMM: Dragonbone Staff
Guitar Hero 2
Katamari Damacy
Disgaea 2
Unlimited Saga
Jak and Daxter
Soul Caliber 2

>>12093239
brooooooooooo quest for the dragon bone staff kino mentioned kino mentioned

PS2 contrarianism is so cringe

>>12092564
This describes the SNES when you take away GTA

>>12093129
Devil May Cry knows exactly what it's doing. You are stupid.

>>12093280
it's being hack/slash slop

>Download nethersx2
>Scroll for hours upon hours on rom lists
>Download a few titles
>Delete them
>Realize it's all shovelware. All quantity no quality

>>12093280
>part (bad) survival horror
>part action game, but considerably stiffer and less developed than DMC3
>part plain weird bullshit like the underwater sequences
I played it for the completionist factor. It was fine. I don't think I ever want to play it again.

>>12092624
There are shit ton of good non-jrpg games on ps2. More so than ps1.

>>12093228
>two great games
Yeah?

>>12093305
Lets not get excited, they're mediocre, at best.

>>12093305
yep, that's literally all the n64 has. ps2 mogs it everywhere else, in any genre, any day.

>>12093307
>big fan of "car game"

>>12093309
You know for a fact there are other games on N64. I'm not listing them, cause you'll just be like "Goldeneye is shit" even though it isn't.
Definitely not listing the actual cool obscure stuff with you, because you don't deserve it.

>>12093310
I said hold the excitement. Mario 64 and oot? Mediocre. At best.

>>12093315
>Dude, play Grandad Turismo
Sorry, I'm already asleep.

>>12093314
uh,,, i guess paper mario was fun, still isn't better than most ps2 jrpgs. you can't list anything else, even goldeneye is shat on by any of the ts games lol

>>12093228
Banjo kazooie is better than the entire ps2 library. I will die in this hill

>>12093319
>die in this hill
>in
please do that, esl phonefag. maybe autocorrect will save you again

>>12093319
On*

>>12093317
>Game that directly followed Goldeneye was somewhat improved over Goldeneye
Yeah, sure.
I mean, it was better on Xbox.

>>12093325
yep, sure was, another W for ps2.

>>12093326
>having the lesser version of a crossplatform game
Ah, I see. This is the unquestionable strength of the PS2.

>>12093316
>Sorry, I'm already asleep.
oot does that to you.

>>12093327
i agree, the xbox is also better than n64.

>>12093330
Eeehhh. It's got like one game that isn't a multiplat, or Stubbs the Zombie.

>>12093339
ehh, nbg, otogi, jsrf. the 64 doesnt come close sorry

>>12092564
ps2 library was the last gen where aa devs where able to keep up with aaa. any consoles best list will just be normie shit you’ll have to dig deeper

>>12092564
yeah for such a huge library theres more games I actually want to play on xbox and gamecube easily.

PS2 is the last, and best, classic video game console.

>>12092564
It was the best console of that gen.
But that gen was kinda boring and lame.
Better than the gen that came after it of course.

>>12092679
If you're only into Western games, especially FPS and Strategy, you probably haven't missed much.

Famous SpongeBob shovelware DVD player

>>12092564
mercenaries playground of destruction
twisted metal black
sky odyssey
shinobi
contra shattered soldier
spyhunter
ace combat 4
maximo ghosts to glory
downhill domination
samurai warriors

>>12092679
>MGS pac-man style gameplay by now
Just play on harder difficulties without the radar, retard.

>>12092564
>Plays all PS1 backwards compatible
>has all the early 2000 classics
>best controller design
Only mistake Sony had was not defaulting to 4 controller ports like N64/GC

>>12095332
>sky odyssey
Masterpiece game.

>>12092802
>>12092819
>no reply
love to see it

>>12095352
>best controller design
xbox controller S and cube are both better. bottom analog is retarded for primarily 3d games.

>>12095352
The only crippling mistake is USB 1.0 ports (not 2.0)
Ditching the PS1 CPU in 75000+ slims is also bad for backwards compatibility, but not as much as crippling the USB reading speeds

Well yeah its the same thing with the ps1, both consoles had 3000 games but people still only really bought and played the popular stuff.
2500 games in both of their libraries are just really shitty boring jrpg platformer racing and vn slop like 8 people played

>>12097120
USB 2 wasn't even available during the PS2's release.

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>>12097163
>160 million PS2s sold

Wow, that's almost 80 million customers!

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>>12092564
>10 cutscene games + GTA on their favorites list
nope.

Here is my favs

>>12097209
That's only 9 cutscene games. Where's 10th and GTA?

>>12097223
Yeah but you can press start or select or X or O (depends on the game) to skip it and have tons of fun.
If I recall correctly, only prisoner of war has unskippable stuff

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>>12092564
Yeah Bully and GTA blows out all your favorite games.

>>12097236
who's this guy

>>12092564
>cutscene games
Only cutscene games were MGS 2 and 3. The rest if that Sony shit didn't come out until PS3

Friendly reminder the op uses metacritic as the basis of his argument. He should be mocked in every thread.

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>>12092564
The reason it's impossible to have a conversation about games with people like you is because you look at a list of great games for the PS2 and discard them all immediately based on some new metric you pull out of your ass. You'd look at picrel and go "they're all shit though" without having played even a quarter of them.

>>12097539
Ace combat in action adventure games?
Nice list snoy.

>>12092564
What's great about PS2 is that you'll ask 10 different people and get 10 different games.

For me it's:

- SW Battlefront 2
- Resident Evil 4
- Metal Gear Solid 2
- Madden 2009
- Mortal Kombat Armageddon
- Splinter Cell Double Agent
- Tony Hawk 3
- GTA San Andreas
- Smackdown Hear Comes the Pain
- Syphon Filter the Omega Strain

Somewhat in that order

>>12093128
>DMC
>the game that ruined the beat em up genre
>good

>>12097618
>the game that saved the beat em up genre from mediocrity

>>12092731
No but the PC did.

>>12097209
destroy all humans sucks

>>12097989
How dare you.

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>>12095332
Props for proposing Sky Odyssey. Everyone should play this.
>>12097209
Wha? 24 years without knowing about Prisoner of War. That's right up my alley. Will try tonight.
>>12097539
I saw this pic in one of the previous threads this week. Cool shit.
I'd recommend Ace Combat 4, 5 and Zero. Also Gunball or whatever if you own a GunCon.
Grand Autismo 4 amd Tourist Trophy for bikes, both developed by the same company.
Disgaea 1 was kino as hell.

>>12093275
Guess who's posting threads like this? It's always projection.

It was the last console people could make weird shit without an hd budget and the lack of a digital storefront kept the weird shit from being completely buried by shovelware. Thank you goat.

>>12092564
it's my DVD player

The PS2s primarily flaw is not having native support for four controllers like the N64 had.

anybody know of any management type games for the ps2? i seem to remember some horse race management type games but i'm not really interested in that unless somebody can really sell me on it.

>>12093275
Even the basic bitch games people will hype up for the SNES (like Super Metroid, Megaman X, or Donkey Kong Country) are at least really good games.
That's not even getting into "le hidden gems" which is an inexhaustible list, when you're talking about a console like the SNES.
And a lot of those games are really good too. They're not just Japanese artsy game about depression or something.

Not spoon feeding you tho

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I had a ps2 as a kid but I only really played THUG and one of the wwe games (either svr2007 or here comes the pain)
decided to revisit it recently and started this today, was a bit shocked by how good the gunplay felt - surprisingly meaty for a ps2 game

>>12101520
>Even the basic bitch games people will hype up for the SNES (like Super Metroid, Megaman X, or Donkey Kong Country) are at least really good games.
We'll agree to disagree, which shouldn't matter because the "best console EVAR!!!" should have plenty else to choose from.
>That's not even getting into "le hidden gems" which is an inexhaustible list, when you're talking about a console like the SNES.
Great, I look forward to hearing them. Just remember that I've played a lot of SNES games, which is how I know that there are staggeringly few worthwhile ones. So, you can't just shit out a list of terrible titles and hope nobody's actually played them.
>And a lot of those games are really good too. They're not just Japanese artsy game about depression or something.
Awesome! Really looking forward to what suggestions you have that might change my mind about the SNES.
>Not spoon feeding you tho
Oh, you don't have fucking anything. Disappointed but not surprised, this is how it always plays out with SNES drones. I guess at least you didn't embarrass yourself with a huge list of bullshit, so this way you get to save face huh?

>>12101635
>should have plenty else to choose from.
It does. Not spoon feeding you.
You're perfectly capable of downloading a full romset, and playing games, until you find the good ones, like a normal person.

Every single /vr/ thread that isn't specifically about one game (and often those arent guaranteed) ends up being flame wars that never stopped from the 2004 forum days.

>>12092564
I would say PSX had a better library because I like RPGs more, but yeah if you think the PS2 library wasn’t chock full of amazing games regardless of your favorite genre then you are fucking high

>>12101867
Ps2 library suffers from Seinfeld syndrome. So much that came after it iterated on it and stole from it that anyone looking at it for the first time will only see the ports, sequels, remasters, and have no appreciation for it at all.

Too successful for its own good

>>12097236
GTA has shit gameplay and only a child or a moron doesn't notice it. I haven't played Bully because it looks gay.

Reading over this thread, it's genuinely depressing to see an entire generation of filtered plebs who think the PS2 was some kind of golden age. The PS2 didn't "win" because it was good, it just won solely due to the fact that your parents bought you a cheap DVD player that happened to play Tony Hawk. It was an appliance of a console. Its entire library is a testament to this fact, a complete dumping grounds of shovelware, licensed garbage, and inferior ports designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator who just wanted to see the polygons. It's criminal that this beat the Dreamcast, where REAL INNOVATION was ongoing like online out of the box, VMUs, a library with actual arcade soul—you were being conditioned to accept 20fps cinematic slop as "kino." You are the reason gaming is in the state it's in.

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>>12101894
>a cheap DVD player

This thread, the ones like it and the memory card threads are all the same spam.

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>>12101894
>Dreamcast, where REAL INNOVATION was ongoing like online out of the box
Being modular was the smartest and most reasonable decision.
Let the player expand at their own pace and according to their personal needs. This reduces costs and risks for both parties.

>>12092728
You should have started with 3 probably that's the better game overall I think

>>12101894
Isn't the Xbox the spiritual successor to the Dreamcast?
Then why are you complaining about "cinematic trash," "shovelware," licensed garbage, and a lack trash arcade games?
The Xbox is as good as a Dreamcast 2 if Sega released a new console. So stop being a retarded contrarian.

Go play your shitty and monotonous 5.5th gen Dreamcast games, using that ugly and dumb controller, and never click a PS2 thread again.

>>12092843
>Soul Calibur
GameCube version is better
>Star Wars Battlefront
Xbox version was better

>>12093275
yes, we already that variant of the spam thread

>>12101878
It's 100% this. I also find myself not revisiting the PS2 library much but that's mostly because a lot of the good games were PC ports, arcade ports, previous gen ports, or got more modern ports after. But back then having access to things like Tekken 5 and Tony Hawk 4 on the same platform was great.