You guys think grading video games will be more popular in the future or is it dying down?
Whoever this faggot is he knew what he was doing
>>12094034None of these games have any demand.
>>12094036>Whoever this faggot is he knew what he was doingWhat was he doing? I'm too dim to notice
>>12094034>>12094079What is game grading?
>>12094034"collectors" ruin everything.
It's insane to me how years ago, I thought paying hundreds for games would only ever be an issue for games released in cartridge based consoles. It never crossed my mind that would also happen to Disk based consoles like the PS2...
>>12094071Look at what specific games are in the OP pic. All of those are the ones that defy the normal PS2 aftermarket and have had ridiculously high prices for decades. Now think how fucked those already exorbitant prices are now that these games have been graded.>>12094081Price gouging bullshit created by some organization you've never heard of that somehow has sole authority on evaluating the specular financial investment return on your piece of pop media collectible. Because being able to sell a new factory sealed copy of Wii Sports for hundreds of dollars isn't enough, getting it graded can triple or even quadruple the selling price because "they said so".There's several of these orgs but I'm pretty sure they're all the same fucking one, just separated based on the entertainment type (video game, vhs, dvd, toys, etc.)
>>12094036>buy dozens of unsealed copies off ebay>grade them using meme company>knew what he was doingi doubt this person has the ability to look down and see their own genitals.>>12094062this anon gets it.
>>12094105ebay grifters - basically. you have these absolute failures trying to charge hundreds of dollars for a game they found for $2 in a pawn shop. thankfully nobody with an iq higher than 5 points is giving these losers money.
BRO DUDE I OWN A GAME YOU CANT PLAY WITHOUT RUINING THE VALUE SO ITS JUST A PLASTIC PIECE OF SHIT LMAO
>>12094034As a poor person this makes me so angry.
>>12094034What's the point of paying for a game that you can't play? That's the sole purpose of it...
>>12094456zoomer's version of collecting baseball cards
>>12094034>paying hundreds of dollars for some manchild's sloppy secondsWhy?
>>12094368the sellers aren't the issue. it's the coomlectors who need an original copy on the shelf forever that cause the price inflation. ebay sellers keep the price down by increasing the supply while collectors ruin the hobby for actual gamers by removing copies from the supply.
>>12094536>ebay sellers keep the price down by increasing the supply absolutely 100% provably false. >while collectors ruin the hobby for actual gamers by removing copies from the supply.collectors aren't the ones charging $200+ for a ps2 game that $2-5 10+ years ago. they haven't hoarded the millions of copies of games and choking supply. please give up smoking fentanyl.
>>12094618Prove it's false then, retard. It's common sense that collectors decrease the supply and increase price while sellers increase the supply and lower the price. Did you fail economics in school?
>>12094620>it's common senseno, it's nothing more than schizo babble lies from a window licking, padded jacket and helmet wearing, riding on the special bus to school level of fucking retard. let me have a wild guess.. you are one of these failures on ebay trying to sell such trash for hundreds of dollars?
>>12094108It's not because they said so, it's because retards are willing to pay more for slabbed games. In some ways it makes sense as a way to authenticate the game as genuine for old and rare games that can be hard go determine but I digress
>>12094034I think the number of people that are into the WATA scam has never changed. At this point no one is dumb enough to buy into the scam and people who have already invested into this shit are just going to keep selling their shit to each other to manipulate their own market.
>>12094062Haunting Grounds has demand among PS2 fans. Graded copies sell for north of $1,000 and somehow people buy it.
>>12094784Still makes me laugh how I bought a brand new copy for £20 a few years ago. Game had a reprint and was worthless until recently.
>>12094682is there any way to stop the wata scam ?
>>12094406Why? Just emulate.
>>12094034this is based
>That will be $10,000 + fees + taxes + tariffs + tips + shipping
why does this mindbreak /vr/?
>>12095075who's mindbroken?
>>12094034Theres a pawn shop near me that has a display case of graded ps1 games that have sat there for atleast 5 years. I would actually probably buy some of them if they cracked em out.
>>12094536Actual gamers are not selling their copies.
I buy video games to play them.My collection is a bunch of games I bought throughout life that I played and liked.
>>12095084brave and stunning
>>12095084 >You NEED that extra sealed copy of GTA.
>>12094108>PS2 aftermarket and have had ridiculously high prices for decades.i bought silent hill 1-4 for around 50 bucks each in 2018.
>>12094034You can cut the virginity with a knife
>>12095082in 2023 i needed money and went to pawn my copies of SH1-4 and RE1-3 and they offered me 2 bucks each because thats what they give for PS1 and PS2 games apparently while he was on pricecharting in the same moment looking them up,i argue that they were selling for a lot then he said they go for around 60 but he was looking up the PAL version on pricecharting then was arguing when did you saw PS2 going for those price here,i had actually bought Siren from them like a month ago and they had a copy of drakengard 3 going for 100bucks which was gone then.i took my games and went back home,never pawned after that and last time i went to look for guitar amps everything was overpriced and i shit you not they had a copy of silent hill 2 going for 220 bucks and a copy of FF7 going for 90 and other stuff going for ridiculous price,i will never go back there in my life.
>>12094034It’s going together more popular. Just look at the trajectory of classic comic books, it’s a very similar phenomenon.>throwaway original product begins to hold nostalgia value for small set of collectors some years after its inception>product/ip becomes more embedded in popular culture, original source material becomes more sought after>media mines source material for tv/film etc, juicing demand further>source material demand sends it into bubble-tulip mania territory>self-perpetuating cycle of interest as younger generations seek after pricey materials kept expensive by faggot collectors>faggot collectors eventually retire/die/run out of funds>price comes down but never enoughIt’s going to get even more popular over the next 10-20 years as Gen X and millennials get middle-aged. Peak earning years. Multiply all this x100 if the government keeps printing money and devaluing our currency.
>>12095170*to get
>>12095131>He thinks fifty bucks is cheap for old games that were printed in the millions. I rarely even pay that much for brand new ones.
>>12094034This image disgusts me.>>12095170Gen X is already middle-aged, and so are older Millennials.>>12095161Pawn shops are a ripoff for both buyers and sellers.
>>12094062Rule Of Rose has shot up a lot in price.
>>12095073>40 bidsAnd they're ALL from associates of the seller.
>>12095170>Just look at the trajectory of classic comic booksThat speculation bubble busted back in the day, did it regrow? I can't imagine anything but actually rare and actually desirable issues in good condition being worth anything, like that one specific original copy of Action Comics #1.
>>12095182you are just a cheapstake then.sorry but 50$ isnt big money.
>>12094034It's a fraudulent business, and everyone involved with it should be jailed, just look up what happened with the "prototype" pokémon cards
>>12095186Pawn shops can be great when its stuff not in demand. I was getting 3 for $10 6th gen stuff in the early 2010s at my local shop and another had boxes filled with gameboy/color/advance games for 2 dollars or 3 for 5, which i got a bunch of even back then high in price titles.CashConverters was also godly back in the 90s and 2000s for nes and snes stuff.
>>12095247Everything was godly until the mid 2010s and beyond. Normies dropped old games like they were trash and the people getting into "retro" hadn't exploded yet.
>>12095214It isn't much, but that doesn't mean you must waste money. Paying three times the price doesn't make you cool, just retarded.
>>12094034Total retardation. I hope it will die soon.
>>12095198One of them isn't and is baited to overbids.
>>12095201>did it regrow?Yes, fuck yes…significant back issues pre-2000s have inflated prices. Even first appearances of no-name characters that got a marvel movie cameo get overvalued. Forget about anything truly pivotal. And for real classics like amazing spider-man vol1, the age of the issues alone is enough to command wacky prices. Grading acts as the unfortunate justification, and something similar is occurring in the retro game market.
>>12094034Weren't those game key cards being graded recently? What is even the purpose of this crap? Can someone inform me? Because I see it as a joke if game key cards were being graded.
>>12094081You pay an "expert" to evaluate how close your game is to "mint condition"Popular with TCG card collectors who love paying $100 to grade a $120 card.
>>12095073That grading case is disgusting and would make the display case look tacky.
>>12095597Fuckers were grading vhs tapes and those amiibo mario cereal boxes. Anything tards perceive as future value, they will slab.
>>12094062I'd love to own the Silent Hill games if I could get them at a good price. However I'd much prefer a modern port since I don't want to have to play them on my PS2 again as the consoles are old at this point and soon enough we won't even have the right tv's to play these games anymore. I guess its emulation exclusively for me then.
>>12095673Man I almost envy them for having the chuzpah to get easy money out of retards like that.
>>12095742I got lucky and bought my ex gfs entire retro collection from her for just $80 in 2020...she had Silent Hill 3, Fatal Frame, Medievil, Resident Evil 2 and 3, Manhunt, MK Trilogy, Crash 2, Spyro 1, Sly Cooper 1+3, KH2, hell there was even a whole PS2 console and peripherals thrown in there too for good measure...don't think i'll ever get a score like that ever again
I really doubt people actually buy Haunting Ground for +1000 usd. It's all fake sales ans speculation on eBay. It's like Hyper Duel on Saturn, so called """rare""" games that you can find dozens of copies on eBay and for some reasons the sellers have been the same more than 10 years yet the price keep going up.
>>12096127I was at TooManyGays 2 years ago at a booth known for selling high priced shit. Some fat dude came over and bought a copy of Kuon for 1000 dollars.
>>12094034I love how Kuon is $1000, and the game is shit despite that. In a review I saw the YouTuber's copy didnt even work and he had to pirate it anyway. LERMAO.
>>12094456People trade their joy for greed. It's sad. Games are meant to be played and enjoyed.>>12094628NTA, but bro, it's basic supply and demand. When the supply goes down, if the demand doesn't also go down, then the price will go up.
>>12095125This is a shrine at this point. It has stopped being a game to this person and turned into a place of worship for them.
>>12095186I'm 40. Society has flip flopped on what generation I'm a part of for my entire life.
It's only even PS1 era, which is pricey. PS2 is getting up there, but only select games will ever crack $100 market value. Most PS2 games are still below $40.
>>12095434I encountered this a few years ago. I dug out my old comic book collection and catalogued it all. Then I made some decisions, I sold off the series I didn't care about as much and the lone issue outliers. Random issue of The Amazing Spider-Man from the early 200s? Sell it. I didn't really get much for anything. Most I got was for my issue #1 of Wolverine, which wasn't that much.When it came to buying though, I started searching for all the oddball issues to fill in the gaps. No more weird crap like having issues 380, 382-384, 386-388, & 390. No. I was going to make that a full coherent 380-390. Many of these issues were nothing special, yet even they were sometimes going for $10 a pop. It made it easier for me to trim the edges. Afterall, these were purely luxury purchases because I'd rather read from a physical book then a screen if I can. I know of a site in which I can download comic books for free and have gotten thousands of comics that way. Digitally, I have the entire Amazing Spider-Man run and I got it for free. I don't need to spend money to read this shit and I'm only willing to spend so much for the physical copies of them.
>>12094034I'm about to just start my own grading organization which is nothing more than a shitty single page weebly website, then I just start putting all of my eBay games in plastic boxes with a sticker that says something like "/VR/ GRADING ASSOCIATION - 9.5" and a link to the website. I bet half of people wouldn't know or care if it was bullshit and would just pay and buy more because of some at-a-glance box and tag signaling "this is legit bro".
We have the same problem with older TRPGs products - price inflation for older D&D modules or Cthulhu sourcebooks have been quite something.Somebody once pointed out to me the previous generation had the same phenomenon with miniature car models. But the grading craze is another level of retardation.
What's stopping them from taking the game for themselves, "grading" it, and shipping back an empty box with a high rating?
>>12094034>Game GradingScam. But I wish I was running that racket.
>>12096793The customer might break it open and find out. Something a lot of these people do is that they send a game in to get it graded and slabbed, and then they break the slab and send it in again to get it graded again, because they wanted a higher score.They repeat that again and again until they get a high enough score on it.
>>12094034Grading anything is just a cheap way to mark up resell prices. It's a massive scam.
>>12094062False.>Kuon, Rule of Rose, Haunting Ground, Cold FearIn demand among the PS2 horror crowd, which is a real significant market.>Silent Hill 2, 3, 4, Origins, SMAll high demand since 2020, increasing with every new game.>Resident Evil 4, Code VeronicaNOT high demand to the degree where you need to seal up copies, they're very mass produced titles on PS2.>Outbreak 1 and 2VERY high demand thanks to RE9.
>>12096168>>12095125>>12094034The sad part for me is that the case and orientation of the games (in addition to the amount of space you need to do this) looks really cool, but just the actual contents are disgusting.Imagine having a big-ass room you could dedicate like this, but it's your actual collection and even bigger than it. Every didc game you'd ever want to own grandly displayed like this -- that'd be damn cool.But as a poorfag, seeing someone with the money to do that doing this shit with it makes me wanna smash his head through the glass and hit his GTA shelf with his car.
>>12095083Exactly. Those people cause the prices to inflate by permanently removing items from the supply that are no longer produced. If you didn't have hoarders/collectors the prices would stay the same.
>>12097409>But as a poorfag,Do not bemoan this. Just 5 years ago I was broke and only getting by month to month by selling off my stuff. Now I've gotten a good enough job and make good enough money.Having been poor at one point in your life, if you should find yourself with excess money, then remember the times you were poor. You will view things like this as a waste of money and frivolous. Better to keep a bit more in the bank account as a buffer than to throw it away on overpriced games for display.
>>12097469>If you didn't have hoarders/collectors the prices would stay the sameAny high-priced retro game you see is priced as such purely due to perceived resale value. Rarity and availability has absolutely fucking nothing to do with the price.A game that is perceived as "rare" for selling only a million copies will regularly sell for much higher prices than a game that's known to have only sold 25000 copies. There's retail console games so god damn rare that they don't even have a Mobygames or Pricecharting page and yet still go for like 5 bucks a pop when they show up on eBay once a decade, where as there's games that sold 2 million copies and always has at least two dozen ebay listings selling for 50 bucks for a loose copy in horrible condition because it's perceived as more valuable.
>>12094034>>12095073>>12095125how do they all have a 9.8 score?
Grading? Like an exam, for games? Lmao. The "game" is in the mind of the beholder, the player. The rest is cheap plastic and cardboard.
>>12095073This is so retarded, FFVII is everywhere for a few dollars
>>12098050They paid a fee
>>12094034these fags are worse than beanie baby collectors
>>12098153How many speculator fads do we need to go through before people cotton on it's a scam. >Quietly pushes boxes of comics under bed
XD
>>12098216>ditto and merill on boxnoooice
>>12095170Action Comics #1 sold exactly 200,000 copies in 1938 because that's exactly how many they printed. Less than 100 copies of it still exist in any quality, and most of them aren't the kind of quality that fetches a $1 Million price tag. It was printed on paper and sold with no slip cover, and most copies were thrown away.All these Silent Hill games sold a similar number of copies, and all the Resident Evil games sold 1 million+. Because they are a good that inherently had a resale market, even if it was just a few dollars, most of them were not thrown away, and are still sitting in houses, closets, and warehouses somewhere. Hundreds of thousands of copies of these games still exist, and thousands of them are on sale at any given time. WATA is a money laundering scheme and if you are dumb enough to buy WATA graded trash over ungraded shit on ebay, in game stores, or literally ANY BOOK OR GAME STORE IN JAPAN, you deserve to lose your money.Here's the secret that people don't realize: Gen X and younger Americans with money are REALLY STUPID. The entirety of younger generations who are new money are only new money because of nepotism and being friends with the right people who hired them and overpay them. They feel an inherent NEED to spend all the money they make so they can feel like a big shot because despite making well over $250,000 a year they have a 90 IQ. So they will purposefully pay too much money for things on purpose to raise the price of those things out of the price range that poors can pay so they can feel superior to them. If they find out they got ripped off, they think, "Oh based, just proves I can afford to spend it, haha." They drive around in soda-stained $80,000 vehicles looking for any opportunity to blow $300 a day on junk while telling everyone to keep the change. By the end of the decade they will have spent millions of dollars on games that they'll lose money on. Happened with comics in the 90s, will happen with games too.
>>12094536real gamers have soft modded their consoles to avoid all these scalpers
>>12099458real gamers bought everything they wanted before you were born
>>12094456Collecting is good and bad. On the one hand it preserves physical, on the other it drives physical prices up.This is caused of course by increased demand but overall this is actually a great thing. As much as I hate these collectorfags, the more interest in retro vidya means more money in it means more new products and people making things like emulators. It's actually great. Nowadays you don't need physical, some emulators have gotten so good they are cycle accurate and FREE. Run them on whatever computer you want. The more people into retro the better it is for all, unless you absolutely MUST play on original hardware on a CRT (but you don't need to do that because we have low latency upscalers of various formats precisely for this reason). However the additional downside is higher prices for these new products as well due to demand.
>>12098216Imagine redditors getting into bidding wars over this.
>>12099594I don't think it works like this. Trapping the game inside a box can potentially be used for the preservation, but in this particular case the most you preserve is the case, cover, manual, disk itself etc. But not the software itself, and I would argue this is the most important part.Also I'm not sure if there is a strong correlation between the amount of money floating in the hobby and the quality of the products you get, provided that people work on the tools for free.
>>12098192>Quietly pushes boxes of comics under bedNot comparable. Comics are something that can be read and enjoyed. At least comics before 2015 could be enjoyed. Buying a comic you want to read and keeping it is not he same as speculative collection buying.You were actually reading the comics you bought, weren't you anon?
>>12094034Why do people grade games? I understand comics amd pokemon cards but this? Thats just dumb.
>>12100432to sell them for money
>>12094034Plastic hoarders aren't gamers and they can go bankrupt buying overpriced games for all I care, with emulaction, scarcity isn't an issue for people who actually want to play games.
>>12099456>So they will purposefully pay too much money for things on purpose to raise the price of those things out of the price range that poors can pay so they can feel superior to themYou’re describing what is called a positional good in economics, whereby something’s value increases precisely because others cannot possess it.>By the end of the decade they will have spent millions of dollars on games that they'll lose money on. Happened with comics in the 90s, will happen with games too.The 90s crash was more of a scam bc publishers were intentionally flooding the market with variant covers to tantalize collectors and stoke mania. It ultimately didn’t work bc the demand was fake. Contrast that with retro games, systems, etc: there’s no corporate astroturfed movement going on, you need to think of retro games as shitcoins or, charitably, alternative assets. It’s so hard to get reliable returns on your labor, and most cannot afford significant assets. Add to that the continuing devaluation of currency, and you can begin to see all these collector markets as proxies for the value of money, kind of like another bitcoin. Not that any of these will appreciate that much lol.
>>12100435and people will buy the damn things without even playing them? Thats 40 year old virgin tier shit.
>>12095131anon...you dont think 200 dollars is a lot to spend on plastic discs? This isn't even hardware you are dropping that kind of money into. They are slowly degrading discs that have a single function.
>>12100239>But not the software itself, and I would argue this is the most important part.Digital preservation is key to this. Otherwise we would all be paying hundreds of dollars for real copies that one day will be broken or worn out. More demand means more financial incentive to produce shit. Consider just clone consoles. There are probably multiple different clone consoles of each 16bbit era system floating around right now. Without people to buy this, it won't be developed or made.
>>12100854i think 50 bucks is fine for a video game i like and can replay multiple times,you never bought a game brand new ever ? i can compare with other things that costed me around 50$,ive bought a typewriter for 50$ its single function but i use it often,sure a i could use a computer but i prefer that and dont mind that its just used to type,i've bought headphones for 50 bucks and the sound quality is great but its also single function and they will also degrade with time but what doesnt,i've often drop 50$ or more on a single bottle of alcohol and what do i have after i drank it,if you go to a good restaurant its easy to spend over 50bucks,going to the cinema with a family of 4 will cost almost 50 without even buying foods and drinks.
>>12094034Faggots like this deserve to lose everything in a fire.
>>12094357>theirfaggot
>>12101234That's bad for everyone. They deserve to sell it all to increase retro supply and reduce prices. They can keep some of it as long as they are responsible collectors who keep it well preserved.
>>12095073There was a 9.2 on sale for half that, but you gotta pay for quality.
>>12096175The hidden game within the widespread practice of magical generational tribename flinging is to try to get through your entire life without ever either learning what timespans all the magical tribe names refer to or learning which magical tribe you yourself are supposed to be part of. If you succeed at that, the angels give you a bonus score multiplier of 1.2 when you reach heaven
>>12101264>ESL
>>12101353Imagine having a 9.94. Think of all the amazing things you could get done with such an excellent tool in your possession. Wow, to be rich
>>12094062This to an extent. >>12094034Dying down. Games are interactive, not paper weighs or wall art. Only prototypes, not for resale, and tournament editions specialty made for events, should be slabbed. Granted, they've been dumped/preserved first.
>>12102064Forgot pic >inb4 new
>>12096992That sounds embarrassing for everyone involved.
>>12101371Hail MAGA brother!
>>12100984>Digital preservation is key to thisThat's what I mean. You digitize everything so it can be recreated, and then enclose it somewhere safe. But that's not what those graders do.Regarding demand, grading is the result of increased demand, not the reason. Repro carts and clone consoles were developed before grading, and I have my doubts that people paying money for latter somehow create incentive to make more of the former.
>>12094034Video games and VHS tapes are not like paper goods like cards and comicsThe new for it to be graded and sealed away and thus "protected and certified" makes less sense.There is bootleg trading cards, there is bookleg comic books but the bootleg video games rarely are 1 for 1 like the original. At best you get a loose cart with an off colored plastic and label with no boxGrading games is just for recent collectors looking for their next "investment"
>>12095073> WATA> Shill bidded> Over $10,000 with fees, insurance, and shipping> The generation that saw any value in this and would have been a buyer is now getting smart and just emulating everything pre-2005If the dude really wanted it? Sure he just wasted a lot of money, but if he was thinking he got an investment......... that poor sucker.......
>>12103020You are a complete idiot if you think collecting has anything to do with playing the games.
>>12103026Looks like we got another WATA grader in the thread folksGet out of here you snake
>>12103026Someone ban this IP address of >>12103026. These are the same guys who don't want emulation or backing up rare files of games to exist. Mod if you don't block him now, he will whistle blow on us later
>>12103029>>12103043I almost exclusively emulate, because I collect sealed games. I also happen to support piracy and archival efforts. That's why I'm telling you though, that people who collect sealed games aren't buying them to play them, they're buying them to preserve them in their original state and own a piece of complete artwork. Saying "these guys made a bad investment because people emulate now lawl" is dumb and irrelevant. If somebody needed to buy the game ohysically to play it, they could get a used copy for a wee bit less than 10k. Sealed games are an investment that will only grow more valuable with time. These are just facts.
