The amount of people who used savestates / rewind to beat this game is really high. Damn.https://howlongtobeat.com/game/2687/completions
>>12100440Weird cause it was challenging as a kid, but it was never one of those games that I ever got frustrated enough with to give up or stop trying for a long time. It's mechanically consistent, so you don't have to guess what's going to happen when you roll into an enemy or bounce off one, you know where you'll be. The startup and recovery of your movement is forgiving. It's kind of the perfect SNES difficulty.
It is very frustrating. Beating it in elementary school gave me one of the biggest highs gaming ever gave me.Save states would trivialize the map when dying sets you back 3-4 levels.I just wish there weren't so many animal gimmick levels, but it's the best 2D platformer I've played.
>>12100454>Weird cause it was challenging as a kid, but it was never one of those games that I ever got frustrated enough with to give up or stop trying for a long timeI scoured through old forums / GameFAQs posts and reviews and most people at the time shared this sentiment (Or they straight up didn't even make a comment on the difficult). It really sells the point home how watered down modern games have become. At least there's concrete data to confirm this now.
>>12100476>I just wish there weren't so many animal gimmick levels, but it's the best 2D platformer I've played.All things considered I feel they didn't abuse the animal gimmick as much as they could have. Not counting the secret levels, there's only maybe 3 levels where you're forced to use an animal buddy from start to finish? The rest you use the kongs for one half and animals for the other half, which I found serviceable. Personally, I really like how the animal buddies control, in particular Squaks and Squitter, so I never minded them. Rambi is pretty lame but thankfully he sees the least amount of action.
>>12100440People... among the few who use that site, I guess? Is this supposed to mean very much? The game sold five million copies back in the day, supposedly...
The difficulty of Dark Souls is completely different. Most notably, that game lets you grind for self-improvement resources until barely anything can hurt you, if you want to. In DKC 2, you just have to keep trying again with your same old Kongs. Also, one game is focused on general exploration of a highly mysterious world while the other confines its mysteries to a puzzle-like treasure hunt. The "Dark Souls" of old Nintendo games is something more like Simon's Quest or Zelda 2.Not that that has a lot to do with your actual point about how difficult the game is for people who use howlongtobeat dot com.
>>12100440It's actually not too hard
>The amount of people who used savestates / rewind to beat this game is really high. Damn.That's pretty much every pre-5th gen game I've checked on there. Even SMB 1.
Kek, this is Contra: Hard Corps. Most not only abused save states or went with the JP version, but only went down one route.
>>12100478The K Rool fight was challenging, I did have to recollect myself for that and come back days later. Felt like a big win. The beginning of the game was a bit of a shock too, so that getting past world 3 felt like an achievement.
>>12101567Do people just not care to earn completing a game by mastering its mechanics? What's the point of cheating your way through it? Reeks of entitlement. People who consume media for the sole reason of filling up a list and brag about how many series/shows/games they've consumed with no love or appreciation for them are seriously demented.
>>12102563Best part is that you have no clue how many of these people are participating in discussion of these games. At least a person that is angry and frustrated at a game is stuck and currently is unable to clear the current hurdle. They're trying to engage with the game to the best of their knowledge limited to the rule set the game has given them. Then these people that outright cheat to the point that they don't even need to learn boss patterns. Tons of health to even invincibility along with infinite lives to keep spawning back in. At this point watching a YouTube video is better since they at least try to upload runs which have very few flaws to flex their mastery of the game, and you'll at least learn techniques to beat certain bosses unlike brute forcing the game with invincibility. None the less the entire layer of rewinding and save state abuse.
>>12100774>People... among the few who use that site, I guess?I guess. OP is part of the great masses who really fucking suck at understanding the limitations of volunteered statistics from an extremely minimal source. All my friends and I beat DKC2 without save states, decades ago.
>>12102563We aren't kids anymore, anon. Some people have to work and have a ton of games they want to experience, that means not committing dozens of hours to mastering every one of them.
>>12102598>Some people have to workI played DKC:TF for the first time recently, 200%ing it and got the highest tier time trial medals (Shiny Gold), which doesn't even count for completion. Took about 2-3 weeks and I have a full-time job. Took 70-80 hrs. Took my sweet time because I enjoyed the game enough and the challenges it presented, so I loved it enough to see it until the end. Fuck yeah Donkey Kong type shit. People who feel the NEED to complete new games in some vain attempt to fit in, when they clearly don't enjoy doing so, and will even cheat to do so, are literal drooling cattle of the highest magnitude. You justifying cheating your way to victory because of excuses is literal nigger behavior. If you can't complete a game, then don't complete it. Simple. It's not all or nothing. If all you're capable of 60%ing a game, then stop there. I don't care if you have no time, or if your dad raped you as a kid.
>>12102598where's the fun in playing like that? I'd rather do something else. literal consoomption
>>12102648>literal consoomptionThat's all it is. I have to be part of the hype. I NEED to be of the hive-mind. 100%ing a game shouldn't be a badge of honor, it's something that should be given if I put in a set amount of time. It's these nigger platitudes thats made the the modern vidya industry go to complete shit.
>>12102598>that means not committing dozens of hours to mastering every one of them.id argue failing and dying is part of the process and is dev intended, so by reversing that your gimping yourself of the full game experience. the ending victory cutscene is just another cutscene now.
This is a direct consequence of the Obama administration and No Child Left Behind. Kids grow up with the idea that everyone is special, everyone deserves success, so the idea of failing scares them. Games stop being challenges and turn into content, meant to be consumed linearly with as minimal friction as possible. Speedrunning rises in popularity for the same reason that study time goes down. because the less you have to engage with anything the better. Human error reversed through a hotkey ad infinitum.
>>12102592>understanding the limitations of volunteered statistics from an extremely minimal sourceMass communication was a mistake. Most people don't have the brainpower to deal with it and so have to create simulacra to engage with.
>>12102598Go watch a playthrough then.
>>12102563>>12102648>u use save states? >hurr durrr u just want big list!>hurr durr consoomer!do you retards have any other retorts than these same old tired strawmen? by constantly parroting these, you're really just showing how much of a manchild you are with no responsibilities and whose whole personality is playing video games.>>12102680NCLB was Dubya you stupid zoomer. stop learning history through heavily-artifacted /pol/ screenshots.
>>12102598You have to accept that you will eventually die without consuming every media you want, and attempting to anyway is just gonna give you anxiety and hollow experiences. It's way better to play a game you really enjoy for hundreds of hours than try to beat every Zelda and every Final Fantasy and seeing all the endings of this other game or whatever.>>12102680Retard. Those policies are an American thing while games becoming content are a global thing, you can't blame burger politicians for that. Rather, gaming becoming mainstream attracts non-gamers who want to fit in. Games to them are content just like movies are, but gaming nerds still exist, it's just that the hobby is unfortunately no longer mainly for us.
>>12102741>You have to accept that you will eventually die without consuming every media you wanti accepted that years ago>and attempting to anyway is just gonna give you anxiety and hollow experiences. nonsense projection>It's way better to play a game you really enjoy for hundreds of hours than try to beat every Zelda and every Final Fantasy and seeing all the endings of this other game or whatever.that's just like, your opinion man. you want to stay in your widdle babby comfort zone and only play the same games you had when you were 8, go right ahead.
>>12102720>"you're really just showing how much of a manchild you are">blitzes through games with cheats just to say they beat it and participate in rebbit threadsYou quite literally have a Middle School mindset.
>>12102592>volunteered statisticsAs you offer up your own volunteered statistics of "all my friends"
>>12102720>>you're really just showing how much of a manchild you are with no responsibilitiesIt's only ever fat slobs who doomscroll all their free time away who come up with this retarded cope.>Oh going to the gym takes too much time>Oh cooking takes too much time. Keep using every excuse under the sun if keeps you content with living in mediocrity. It's never about you it's always something external to blame. Did you pick up on how everyone in this thread knows you're a liberal yet?
>>12102720you need to git gud at managing your schedule cause setting time aside for leisure activities shouldn't be an insurmountable task for an adult.
>>12102762>and only play the same games you had when you were 8Not what I'm implying. If I see a new game I like, I'm gonna commit to it. Even if it takes me 100 hours to beat. I will only think about the next game after I beat it or get bored with it.
>>12102769>"ur middle school!!!! ur reddit!!!!!"says the manchild with the middle schooler mindset that has an aneurysm over people not enjoying games the same way they do lmao. these threads always devolve into a circus because you can't help but concoct an entire mythos over people doing things differently. you're also further cementing the fact that you are have no external responsibilities or a family to call your own if you can't relate to what >>12102598 says>>12102778>n-no u!reply back when you're 18
>>12102790>or a family to call your ownSo go on and partake in your cattle activities and leave the rest of us out of it. Nobody here cares that you regret shagging up a nagging bitch and raising some little shit, and being dead broke and tired by the end of it. You suck at life and you suck at video games.
>>12102790>you're also further cementing the fact that you are have no external responsibilities or a family to call your own if you can't relate You shifted the goalpost from having a job to bearing kids and supporting your shithead extended family from across the country, because I already btfo'd you: >>12102640Kek. Your life is shit and you're having a meltdown over it. I lift more than you, have more money than you and I'm better at games than you. Seethe more about me being superior to you. May god somehow find a way to steer your child away from your guidance.
>>12102803>raising a family is cattle activitysee, when you get to the core of 90% of the posters on this website, this is what they are: complete and utter failures. and they have the nerve to call others consoomers when their entire existence solely revolves around consooming media until they die alone in their apartments where they won't be found for another 6 weeks when the smell gets unbearable to the neighbors>>12102821i'm not that original poster so i'm not reading your reply to him. >you're having a meltdown over itsays the faggot thinks everyone here is the same person
>>12102790>>12102830you just sound like you're proud of being disorganized, angry that others aren't, and trying to bring them down to your level. you have no business calling people failures. see >>12102780
>>12101567I beat Hard Corps with no damage, but never bothered to do the other routes because I was burned out and 75% of the route is the same thing. Not a big fan of branching paths in action games, keep that shit in RPG games with player choice
>>12102837>proud of being disorganizednever said that, never implied that. more pathetic projection. yawn. stay eternally assmad that my time is more valuable than yours.
>>12102830>>you're having a meltdown over it>says the faggot thinks everyone here is the same personWhat does this have to do with anything? None of your replies are appropriately addressing whatever you're quoting.Case in point: >>12102790>>n-no u!When the post you're replying to didn't deflect anything.Everything you've said in this thread has been fucking erroneous and you can't grasp at basic concepts. You've soundly proven that I'm right and you're a dopamine junkie hooked on doomscrolling and SSRIs. You are mentally stunted to a concerning degree for a 19 year old, and your literacy skills are stunted beyond that standard as well. Get your fucking life together, kid.
>>12102862I had many years between beating one route and then playing the other three. Sometimes you need a lot of time between you and the game for it to pique interest for you again. Maybe it won't happen, but at least the initial route was by the games rules.
>>12102867lol. who'd trust a guy who can't make time to estimate its value? it's the same line of reasoning as saying you know how to handle money because you're a debtor.
>>12100440I never thought this game was that hard, at least not much harder than DKC
I will upload a no-damage run
I wish I had clicked on one of the Sega spam threads instead of this gay ass thread.
Never understood why people compare Dark Souls to games like Castlevania or not DKC. Souls doesn't have a dedicated jump button. It doesn't have platforming action.
>>12100440the game only starts to get tough around the castle levels.animal antics is where boy's become men however.
>>12104726theres two levels that are tough but they really are tough1. the honey level2. the bramble scrambel level
>>12100440I played it on a flash cart the past few weeks and wished I had savestates. Game over can set you back 30-45 mins. I nearly raged out when King Krool turned invisible and bum rushed me. Kick in the nads from the game devs.
>>12104735the honey levels are more annoying then hard, bramble isn't that bad either outside of the DK coin which aren't even mandatory unless you want to flex.the windy forest is ass though.
>>12102563You just described faggots who are into Retro Achievements, well done.
>>12100440I played this and the first one a half a year ago since my wife asked me to beat that shit. Sure there are hard parts but these older platformers ain't too bad.A lot of it is just that you have to have the mindset that you ARE in control and you WILL conquer whatever the fuck is in your path.I think without this mindset, you're gonna have a rough time. These games require your confidence to be significantly boosted imo, especially to handle the more difficult jumps that require rolls into them.Fun as fuck though. I actually remember the honey comb spider / parrot based levels being kind of gay, and I can't remember why. You would think Stickerbrush Symphony would be hard AF but I remember being the most pissed at the honey comb ones later.Very fun though. 2 is peak for me.
>>12104761But the high you get when you finally beat the wind levels, fuck, that was amazing.
>>12100440It is on the harder and more frustrating edge but there was worse stuff back in the day, this one is just well remembered because its fun and amazing, there are a lot of harder games that are just boring and infuriating
I guess these people don't realize you can cheese the game without save states by repeatedly going into a level with a 1-up right at the beginning then exiting.
>>12107124Also they don't know you can save at any save station and it will save your exact game progress at that point. Including levels in other worlds. So you don't have to use the save stations just as the game "gives" them to you.
>>12107136>>12107124Agreed you can cheese it with getting multiple lives too
>>12107095that's true but the real issue with the wind levels is that it feels random at times and kinda jank, still I'd take those over anything from battletoads, that game is actually brutal.>>12107136>game saves everything like krem coins, dk coins and level progress>somehow can't save banana coins or livesdon't you just love artificial difficulty?
