Why is it consistently called either the worst thing ever or a total masterpiece, when objectively it's just a solid but forgettable game?
>>12110589It's far better than "forgettable"
>>12110592What do you remember about it that you don't also remember about any number of other generic NES side-scrollers?
>Zelda 2>forgettableIt's literally one of the best ARPGs on the system which admittedly isn't a high bar but still that makes it more than just 'forgettable'
>>12110589People who are not very good at games call it shit because it's too hard for them.And people who are also not very good but kept grinding until they beat it want to believe it's the Bestest Zelda evar because that's better than acknowledging they sunk time and effort into a simplistic and flavorless action game.
>>12110589Zelda II is a masterpiece. The casual/reddit audience just rejects it because it's too different and they can't sleepwalk through it. In fact, they don't even like Zelda 1 either.
Zedla sucks ass generally but zelda threads just are ass.Smelly swampy unwashed stale ass.
>>12110708Adventure of Link is also legitimately pretty tough in a way that's pretty alien to most Zelda fans (who are casual at the end of the day).
Played through first two dungeons and then stopped playing because I don't care. Game is fine.
>solid but forgettable game>forgettableIt's not forgettable. It has some great dungeons, and no one will ever forget the great palace because it's a huge pain in the ass. The music's good, the sprites are pretty nice looking and so are all of the areas. Just like in Castlevania 2, I enjoy the exploration aspect of it.
>>12110589Because 4chin is a board of extreme black and white thinking. No, niggers arent gorilla retards, they arent bbc kangz cucking your hotwife either.
>>12110589It started getting called shit when it became a black sheep after Zelda 3 determined what the formula would be for a zelda game. I love zelda 2 its great.
>>12110589If it's forgettable, than how come we remember it?
>>12110602It has a high-low, left-right blocking system, with enemies trying to mix you up like in a fighting game - before fighting games existing.
>>12110589Because people who like the other Zeldas dislike how this one plays differently, while the people who don't get into other Zelda but like this entry feel people are too hard on it.My own feeling is that AoL is OK, but I think Battle of Olympus did it better.
>>12111063I like all the /vr/ Zeldas THOUGH
>>12111067That's cool, but less common than people who will put an asterisk next to AoL for good memories or bad.
>>12110589Held back by horrible same-y dungeons with obtuse navigation through pits. If discovering a dungeon felt like a reward, I think many more people would try to like it.
>>12110589It's fine when compared to other side scrollers, but going from 4-directional movement in a "3D" map in the first Zelda to a simple side scroller in the 2nd, was a huge step backwards and was a removal of the core-feature that most people loved from the first.
>>12110589Inti Creates should remake it.
>>12111478Don't care about remakes but would like to see their rendition of Zelda 2
>>12110589Because outside of the combat it's a cool game, but the combat is so fundamentally broken that you can't actually enjoy the game. So people either grow to hate it or turn into weirdo white knights that try to defend this game that even Nintendo clearly thinks is awful.
>>12111509The combat is literally the best part of this game, it's amazing how they managed to pull of a 1 to 1 knight battle in a 2D game from 1987, fighting darknuts is so much fun
>>12110592Says you, I forget it all the time
>>12110589>when objectively it's just a solid but forgettable game?Where is the origin of this? I cannot find it anywhere despite it declared as truth and gospel.Zelda II was a blockbuster hit, extremely well received, people drove to different states in order to get it, and competitors copied its gameplay. This is not how black sheep or forgettable games act.
>>12110589Most people bashing it grew up on aonumaslop aka anti zelda.
>>12110708>too different ???Zelda 2 was just like every other side scroller. The original Zelda was the game that was actually different from everything else at the time.>>12111554>Zelda II was a blockbuster hit, extremely well received, people drove to different states in order to get it, and competitors copied its gameplay. Is this the type of retarded opinion I'll grow to have if I start posting here? Good fucking lord. Zelda 2 wasn't a bad game by any means, but there's a good reason they immediately went back to their original formula from Zelda 1 for every single following release.
>>12111582>they immediately went back to their original formula from Zelda 1 for every single following releaseALttP only follows the original half-heartedly, then LA almost entirely parted with it and by the time OoT came out they dropped it entirely.
>>12111582>The original Zelda was the game that was actually different from everything else at the time.No? Top-down games weren't a new thing in 1986. Have you not heard of Ultima, or the countless other games with a similar presentation? Even beyond of RPGs, top-down games were utterly normal. Look at Pac-Man or Frogger or a million other action games of the era. Even the likes of Ultima did not have an original origin - many video games directly have a foundational basis in 20th century board games, from Dungeons and Dragons, war games, and other popular movement/collection subjects from the likes of Hasbro. And this of course is derived from even earlier games, like Chess. To say that top-down games were abnormal - well, it requires some sort of denial of thinking. Miyamoto has compared his own stuff to board games.
It's good. I don't think it's a masterpiece. It's long and the quality is relatively high the whole way through.
>>12111478Zelda II with boobs, huh? It might sell.
>>12111478They'd just make Megaman 2 again, that's all they ever do.
>>12111478oh man that'd be so fuckin good. omega link would be kino.
>>12111582You are a very bad poster.
>>12110589It isn't any of those. Why did you make this bad post?
>>12110589Is a great game but the lives system, the lack of checkpoints (despite having a great map and shortcuts) and some technical design will filter a ton of people, specially casual 3D Zelda fans, which arethe majority.And while I agree Zelda 2 needs more appreciation, I kinda don't want it, in 2025 with enough forcing and mental gymnastics you can produce newer Zelda2fags that would probably never play the game and shitpost the most retarded takes. Basically, leave Zelda 2 with the people who have actually played it and enjoyed it
>>12111582>but there's a good reason theyA reason they allowed Aonuma to shit all over the series with declining sales for over a decade?
>>12111028Please go back >>>/pol/
>>12111478Inti (engine/combat/designs) and Dotemu (graphics/level design) collab
>>12112243>Inti adds a suggestive minigame where you, the Healing Lady, massage and heal Link back to health>heavily appeals to both male and yume Zelda fans
>>12111478You just know they will turn Link into a loli or a feminine shota.
>>12115721A PC-98 dungeon crawler JRPG called Mirage 2 had it. Every time you die in the temple, you'll wake up in the church, having sex with one of the priestess.
>>12115743now this a video game
>>12110589People expected something like LTTP from a new Zelda game, not something that mixed it up while incorporating the well received side scroller sections in the original LOZ
>>12111528>fighting darknuts is so much funIf the hit detection were better, maybe. Half the time, even when you hit the un-shielded portion of their body, it still won't register. The best way to fight them is to just abuse the jumping slash glitch, which isn't really fun at all.
I think Zelda 2 is one of the best Zeldas until I get to the enemy knights with shields that also throw weapons at you constantly in places where you can't jump to hit them above the shield, then it becomes a trash game.
>>12115743holy sexneed an HD hand drawn version of the game just for this
>>12116539>the jumping slash glitchIt's supposed to be a glitch?
>>12110589You haven't truly beaten this game unless you have done a no jumping in combat run. Jump attacks are pure cheese, you are meant to duel it out with sword and shield.
>>12116546Those enemies are usually in the open. You have to bait them backwards if they happen to be in a place you can't jump and hit them. I'd rather deal with those than anything in the great palace.
>>12116546>i like games until theyre hard
>>12110589its the best game in the series nigga
>>12110589I did for a while get the impression it was a consensus that this isn't a good game, though I see now that while many trashed on it giving that impression, there are others who liked the game.I give it a better chance to make sure I didn't unfairly judge it and...the game over screen tries to give me a seizure. What. I'm reminded of this fact.This screams to me that it's a really shoddy game and the graphics aren't polished either and.. I still don't see why anyone would pick this over Z1 or any other sidescroller such as Castlevania, smb1, the list goes. I'm reminded once again that none of those does a dumb "seizure moment" "red flash" on game over and pretend that's cool. Yet some people like it. It's their opinion and I have to respect that.
I love Zelda II, it's one of my favorites in the series. I don't think it's forgettable at all
2 is legitimately the best game in the series after Ocarina
>>12115743>you die in the temple, you'll wake up in the churchyou die in the dungeon, you'll wake up in the temple
>>12115728>a feminine shotaThey did it in Tri Force Heroes.https://zelda.fandom.com/wiki/Cheer_OutfitLet's not forget that Link is a crossdresser femboy in BotW.https://www.zeldadungeon.net/wiki/Gerudo_Clothes
>>12111478No, it should be Vanillaware
