Are the prices ever going down? Back in 2020 you could get a decent 20in PVM for like $150, then I checked a few years back and it got to $400 and now it's like $1000......
Just add component inputs to a decent consumer set.
>>12111365a 20 inch PVM was already worth like $500 by 2016. The prices will only increase more from here on out.
Get 4K OLED, use megatron shader, there's your PVM
>>12111365NO. YOU MISSED OUT. PAY UP OR MOVE ON. PVMS ARE SHIT MEMES ANYWAY. THEY WERE NOT PLAYING TOMB RAIDER IN NEWSROOMS AND HOSPITALS.
>>12111365>Are the prices ever going down? >Back in 2020 you could get a decent 20in PVM for like $150, then I checked a few years back and it got to $400 and now it's like $1000......Anon you missed the window for cheap old electronics. The time to get cheap old electronics is 5 to 10 years after a new generation of stuff comes out when there's still a surplus. After that, prices go up because everyone has thrown out their old gear and recycled them. So old electronics are rare now. HDTVs because mainstream in 2006. That gave you 10 years to collect Old TVs and PVMS for super cheap. Now it's expensive. The window of opportunity is closed.
>>12111423>he didn't play tomb raider while recovering in the hospital from a snake bite
>>12111365get a line doubler and a 1080p gaming LCD and call it a fucking day
I have 7 PVMs and you guys called me insane.
>>12111365>playing on a tiny, worn out CRT in the cuck cornerDoes anybody seriously play games like this, or are all these "setups" just for taking pictures of for people on the internet? I'd MUCH rather spend that sort of money on a Retrotink 4K and enjoy my games on my huge OLED in comfort.
Pay up idiot. I just use a standard CRT.
>>12111365>Are the prices ever going down?The short answer is no, the long answer is you're fighting both prices never going back to pre-2020 levels due to inflation and also just people hanging onto their older games. It's not even just collectors, every time I come over to someone's house the odds of the vidya console there being something from the Gamecube era or older is like 60%. Maybe in 10 years when all these antiques blow their fuses and everyone replaces them with FPGA consoles that have HDMI outputs that aren't fucked up you might start seeing CRT prices going down, but also probably not because they'll be way rarer then.
I have a PVM and a 'tink and I prefer to just emulate on my OLED with shaders :^)
Who cares? Just get a 2000's TV with component. Guaranteed to have a good picture even if it does 480i over component. JVC and Sony are kings for this.
>>12111365you can still get a good slot mask for $0-$20 and that's all you needassuming you know how to replace electrolytics and don't store them in direct sunlight, you could feasibly have a lifetime supply, if you never want to switch to OLED or eventually microLEDBeing analog devices, bare tubes aren't necessarily married to specific circuit boards. They operate with standardized voltages and signals. I know a furry who moves bare tubes between different makes of tv and monitor.
>>12111365You don’t need a broadcast monitor to play some old games. Any CRT with working color is OK.
>>12111605Same. RetroAchievements is so fun :-)
>>12111668This is not true if there's only RF and composite.
>>12111365>hurr durr i'm a retard who doesn't understand how scarcity works>hurrr i saw le youtube video about these now I want to buy them>WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE 500,000 OTHER PEOPLE WHO SAW THE VIDEO ALSO WANT TO BUY THEM?No, poorfag, stop shitting up this website with your sour grapes bullshitpic related
>>12111365Nope, either get lucky or get a retrotink. I just sold my d-series tv for 350$ since the 4k looks as good to my eyes
>tfw got a 20in PVM for free in 2011
>>12111415>shaders
>>12111676Nta, but what's the appeal? I don't even get the appeal on modern consoles
>>12111871constant dopamine hits in a dopamine fried world
>>12111771>$2000 for an 8" PVM
>>12111423I always asked for the colonoscopy monitor to game during extended hospital stays. If you didn't play Tomb Raider with at least an asshole or 2 burned into the screen you didn't truly experience it.
>>12111943This is cope. 2D games will never look better than they do on a pvm with a high tvl count.3D games? Go for the consumer set but 2D? Nah dog.
>>12111972Au contraire, high TVL is fantastic for 6th gen content
>>12111980Unless its a 480p pvm/bvm I disagree. 480i is horrible for high end sets because the flicker is more prevelant. Granted dreamcast with component cables at 480p looks downright insane on my 20L5.
>>12111985Meh, the flicker is not that noticeable sitting at a decent distance from the screen.
Is there anything more boring in the entire world than listening to PVM autists drone on about TVL and "how it's meant to be played"?
>>12111996Yeah, fucking your mother.
>>12111996yeah, listening to fags who swear their 14" CRT consumer set + RF connection combo is the true real way to play old games
>>12111883Nah, you just missed out.
>>12111365no just emulate like a normal person
>>12111365No, they are not. The window for cheap used electronics is about 10-15 years. You're well past that now. If you want cool stuff now you're looking at buying an older plasma TV while those are in their historic low price range.
>>12112056>If you want cool stuff now you're looking at buying an older plasma TV while those are in their historic low price range.Seriously considering this for Gen 7 consoles.
>>12112056I would agree if not for the fact oled is just as good now.
>>12112045Fuck normies.
>>121119728bit games dont really look any different.
>>12111365>PVMThat is not what we used to play videogames on in the past.Also: How easy is to repair a Mega CD MODEL 1? Not 2, but MODEL 1 like the one I had years ago? I can't find a single MODEL 1 under £300 which is a ridiculous price anyway.
>>12112356Depends. Most of them were made with consumer sets in mind. I don't like the pvm wankery, but a good crt makes these games look amazing
>>12111365You could not get a 20 inch PVM for that price in 2020 you lying zoomer faggot.
>>12112375Just buy a US model one they are like $60.
>>12111365I have the following8K 50 inch OLED42 inch LCD32 inch stereo and 16:9 NTSC and PAlL/PAL 60 capable phillips CRT with RF scart and composite and stero speakers14 inch toshiba CRT with scart and RF14 inch cheap Beko CRT with scart RF and compositeAnd that's all I need. I don't get PVMs but each to their own. Nothing I do on old 8 or 16 bit stuff would benifit from them for me. I have seen prices on this stuff go from take it to free to a 10 bill to hundreds. I play around restoring a lot of old RF machines and I like lightguns (pretty much all I use the 32 inch for)>>12111475Yes, I use the 14 inches to play 8 bit games on, most of them were written for use on CRT TVs and look great on 14 inches. I use the 32 inch mainly for PS1 and PS2 light gun stuff. I have converters and upscalers and another set of PS1/PS2 going composite to HDMI for the 50 inch OLED. The 42 inch LCD is pretty contemportaty with teh PS2 era though. On my PCs I use fairly bog standard OEM Dell and Lenovo screens.I mean we are not all the same and PVMs may loook really fucking good to some people, each to their own. They do nothing for me.>>12111518True enough and that's true for all old 8 pit computers as well. I don;t know why people who were left behind don;t buy into some of the not quite retro systems that are still excellent value and have great libraries though. Physical media is ending, there is only so much of the systems peripherals and games and then it is gone. >>12111665There is a lot more to keeping old or specialised CRTs going than eletrolytic capacitors anon and they are just about the only thing I don't try and repair, when a tube is gone it is gone, but they last practically forever if they are the last generations of CRTs, they wree well made with modern components and designed to quite literally be left on all day for decades. Keep them on a surge protector.I'd still rather have a 32 inch CRT from a decent maker than a PVM any day
>>12111518>Maybe in 10 years when all these antiques blow their fusesMost are fairly easy to reapair. I have quite a few machines that are over 40 years old along with tape and disk drives and casettes players etc Most just need easy stuff like cheap rubber belts replcing, heads cleaning with isopropyl, a little lubrication or very occasionally something like recapping or a new voltage regulator. Old machines are pretty easy to work on. On newer machines much of the samea clean rarely maybe change a laser or clean the lens etc. As with the CRTs I recommend keeping your old consoles on surge protectors otherwise you will loose a PSU. Some machines are a shit to deal with though like the gamecube or snes PPU, if they are dead it's just not worth the hassle. All the xboxes need recapping as well. Probably the worst repairs are replacing memory chips on old 8 bits but even that is not that bad. It's part of the hobby I really enjoy I love seeing the old stuff come alive again. I don't even mod them or retrofit improvements like extra filters on video or audio tweaks. I like them as they actually were. I also love some of the mister/spectrum/next retrogames machines. The people I really admire are the ones that keep old arcade cabs running, they have some serious skills when it comes to working with old tubes and boardsI was just repairing an old casette player braded as a 'computer data recorder' with a tape stiuck in it, and I got uit running faily handily just with a clean and popperd the tape in and was some live performance froma comedian, it was really fucking funny and it must have been jammed in there a good 20-30 years. Kind of spooky hearing it play and listening to the audience laugh. No idea who it was.
>>12111365you are going to fuck it fast if those speakers are not shielded
>>12111972That kinda sounds like cope dawg
>>12111365Why do you need a PVM? Just check faceberk marketplace for one that has component
I love watching zoomers throw away their money trying to chase nostalgia they were too young to experience first handit is true comedy
>>12115059I don't think everyone in the thread is a zoomer
>>12112006hahah, this. For example right here - >>12112375I mean, it's up to them, but i prefer using era-appropriate pro-level top-end gear. 15-yr-old me would have been awed by it back in the day, and i guess that feeling is what i'm tapping into. Though i suppose getting into it now, when prices have skyrocketed, is both daunting and expensive.
Pre NES stuff = RFNes/nes era stuff = composite (with exceptions like atari 7800)4th gen stuff = composite/s-video (can go either way depending on system)5th gen = s-video6th gen = component (or vga if dreamcast)These are all the inputs you need. Doing shit like rgb modding an nes is pointless and border line retarded.
>>12111365>Twin Snakes
It's all so tiresome. In PVM threads, there's never any real discussion. All posts are either>Imagine missing out on this, you're losers for not having 5 PVMs at this pointOr>PVMemes are shit, you were always supposed to use composite ONLY, I know your console outputs RGB as well, but don't get any funny ideas
>>12115318>>12112816>I mean we are not all the same and PVMs may loook really fucking good to some people, each to their own. They do nothing for me.
>>12115318SCART >Composite
Only get a CRT if you have the space to use it regularly. Even then they're going to be breaking down pretty soon. If you aren't interested or can't be bothered, OLEDS are pretty good now. Their tech is improving and actually replicate crt effects pretty nicely on old consoles.
PVMs are a meme. Most consumer sets are fine and there are still a gazillion available for free
>>12115371Playing silent hill on scart looks horrendous. Some older games actually MIGHT look better, but it's unlikely. If you're going to play stuff without any dithering patterns, it still exposes their imperfections more than necessary. Name a usecase for a PVM that doesn't have to do with MONITORING.Also, it's a blessing in disguise that people are so hyperfocused on sony.
>>12115539>Playing silent hill on scart looks horrendous.you're a bulshitter scart just carries composite and rgb. stop spamming nonsense here
>>12115539I don't own a pmv, don't feel the need I have multiple good CRT TVs
>>12115539Holy fuck! Your cope is hilarious!
>>12111871I need muh good goy points for playing le olden games
>>12111365What's the point anyway? Aren't the imperfections of consumer sets the whole goal of getting a CRT now?
>>12115458>Only get a CRT if you have the space to use it regularly. Even then they're going to be breaking down pretty soon.My Sony Trinitron ProFeel CRT TV is from 1989 and still works perfectly. How "soon" is it going to break down exactly?
>>12111365Try yard/estate sales. Theres probably still thousands of them sitting in boomer basements that havent moved in 30 years.
>>12115978Most people want better image quality.
>>12115978The "goal" of getting a CRT is actually whatever the user wants it to be. Imagine only doing something for reasons that people on the internet tell you, lmao.>>12115106>i prefer using era-appropriate pro-level top-end gear. 15-yr-old me would have been awed by it back in the day, and i guess that feeling is what i'm tapping into.This is basically what I'm in the PVM game for, too. People have called my setup "soulless", but that's exactly what I was going for. I already grew up in the 80s and 90s playing hours and hours of my favorite games on tiny, worn-out hand-me-down TVs—channel 3, fuzzy video, mono audio, the whole "authentic" retro gaming experience. I'm good.
I am OWED a cheap PVM to play on a display type that 99.999% of people never actually did back in the day and I DESERVE it for cheap.
>>12111396that's not true. I worked at a TV station in 2016 and they were still using them. Only until next year did they get rid of them.
>>12116837>I worked at a TV station in 2016 and they were still using them. Only until next year did they get rid of them.Okay, and? None of that has anything to do with what aftermarket prices were. Are you retarded?
>>12116837liar. TV stations all switched to HD years before in the 1st world
PVM "discussion" has become hilarious, because anyone who REALLY wanted one by now has either found one, or bit the bullet and bought one, and has stopped engaging in low-level discussion such as this thread. Pretty much all of the remaining internet discourse at this point is just latecomers and seethers who failed and missed out, lol.
>>12116872glad you're having fun :D
>>12111365CRTs will only ever drop in price once a worthy replacement appears, in which case they'll likely become worthless like vintage radios.
The only pvm where I've actually liked the image being displayed was on a composite only slot mask JVC pvm. Trinitron pvm over RGB looks like I'm playing on a crt monitor with a simple scanline filter thrown on top of it. Utterly boring and sterile looking. How people actually enjoy this shit is unreal and I doubt they ever grew up playing on actual CRTs, or if they did, they simply forgot about it and when they came back to the hobby they got on reddit and were persuaded into buying these retarded girly things because they're supposed to be the best
>>12116902I grew up in the 90s and everyone had PVMs that they played wearing backwards baseball caps.
>>12116902>this level of projectionSon, we're talking about CRTs. Make your own thread.
>global economy is collapsing>price of literally everything has gone up>usd is going to be dead within 10 years>he thinks a scarce commodity that will never be made again will go down in price amidst all of thisYou dumbass nigger faggots should have bought gold when rush told you to.
>>12111423This is correct.No one ever used PVMs for gamesSo in some ways it’s not even really retro.It’s a false modern disease.No one would have wanted one of these for games back then. You’d take a bigger screen any day.
>>12116936truth, biz CRT with a decent make and compoasite RF and scart inputs was peak especially if it did 16:9 but if anons like PVMs well good for them
>>12116928The USD is not going to be dead in ten years. Stop believeing spammed shit from dictatorships that are and always will be bottom of the pile. They used scream about the inevitable death of capitalism and the communist revolution and mandatory atheism, now its the decadent west and the end of America and Europe, which have never been wealthier, healthier or stronger militarily, economically and culturally. Seriously you are reguritating shit spammed for retarded thirdies to believe.Prices rise with scarcity when there is demand. The magic of supply and demand.
>>12116928I've been buying gold and BTC since 2015, im doing fine nigga
>>12116928>society is collapsing and this dumb asshole thinks he was a genius for hoarding CRTsThe rape gangs are going to forcibly insert a PVM into your asshole when it all comes crashing down.
>>12116956Yeah? Is it capitalism invenitably ending or just your hopes for a toilet in your village.
>>12116936>No one ever used PVMs for gamesAnd why does this dictate whether or not we're allowed to use them now? Oh right, it doesn't.>No one would have wanted one of these for games back then.I would have. But then, I actually knew about things like signal quality and I wanted signals as clean and clear as arcade screens (which were RGB, just like most PVMs.)>You’d take a bigger screen any day.Sure, but keep in mind this is the exact same level of retardation that lead to projection TVs becoming viable technology for the unwashed masses with more money than sense. Besides, 20" was a fairly standard size back in the late 80s and 90s, especially for a personal/bedroom set.Not sure why you insist that people can't do what they want, and have to stay locked in the mindset of a pleb in the mid-90s. I wasn't a plen then, nor am I now. Cope and seethe.
>>12116956>he thinks the rape gangs will be able to breach my impenetrable fortress composed of stacked crt sets
If we're not supposed to play old video games on RGB monitors, then why do so many of these old consoles output RGB without any modification? And why did arcade monitors use RGB? Arcades were a core component of video game culture up until the late 90s—Millions of people were playing video games in RGB before most of you faggots were even born.This is how you can tell 99% of this discourse is just salty zoomers and/or retards who missed out, yet again.
>>12116956I don't own any CRTs, retard. >>12116953>America and Europe [...] have never been wealthier, healthier or stronger militarily, economically and culturallyDelusional.>>12116954Based.
>>12117010Because arcade games are not the same thing as home consoles and we have devs who outright said they designed home console games with consumer tvs in mind. Idc regardless, i just rgb modded my big ass jvc and trinitron consumer set and have two spare pvms that are tiny in comparison and stay in a closet. I would recommend anyone who thinks they absolutely NEED a pvm, to consider what games they actually plan on playing on them. If its anything newer or older than 4th and 5th gen stuff, it's really not going to be a big difference to your experience, and even then, i would say 5th gen 3D games are not really going to look much better then what you are likely currently using as inputs. They are nice for high detailed 2D games, and thats about it.
>>12117021I love the psychois of thirdworlders and embitterd failures who constantly think the most powerful places on earth the USA and EU are going to collapse magically. Is communnism finally here this time or is it the inevitable collapse of the most used and most sought after currency on earth? Enjoy your position in life, your mindset is what created it for you. Meanwhile you can't afford nice things either apperenetly. So sad.Or did diddiums just get anxiety from too much caffine and think the end of the world is nigh again?Of course you don't own anything. We guessed.
>>12116989So…>And why does this dictate whether or not we're allowed to use them now? Oh right, it doesn't.So you agree it’s not really retro and in fact you are doing something that doesn’t align with how it was done back in the day. Do what you want bro but you are just agreeing with that point, no need to get mad just to agree.>Sure, but keep in mind this is the exact same level of retardation that lead to projection TVs becoming viable technology for the unwashed masses with more money than sense.No they were right, that’s why history went down this way and you are in a niche. A newly created niche using displays that generally were rack mounted for professional purposes. >Not sure why you insist that people can't do what they want, and have to stay locked in the mindset of a pleb in the mid-90s. I wasn't a plen then, nor am I now. Cope and seethe.I cope just fine and you are seething not me. I’m just saying what this is. It’s not actually retro and you would have looked very odd back in the day. It looks strange now. Enjoy being not a pleb with your tiny PVM for what that is worth to you.
>>12117067You're just arguing with your imagination. You haven't asked to what degree I think the dollar will collapse and you are therefore assuming a nuclear worst case option, i.e. a strawman, and are also aggrandizing yourself imagining me as some poor who doesn't own anything when I can flip any one of my one ounce gold coins and buy 4-5 PVMs right now.
>>12111365>they always ALWAYS keep printing more money>these artifacts are never being made again and break down so the pool of working units shrinks slowly over timeWhy would they go down? Who thinks like this? How blissfully unaware of how the world works do you have to actually be to think they would go down?It's just so dumb, I can't even fathom the mental processes behind making such a thread.
>>12111972>2D games will never look better than they do on a pvm with a high tvl count.You... don't even understand how TV works do you? The system / game decides the line count, not the TV. And if you have a typical broadcast monitor set up for high line count sources like Laserdisc or broadcast tape, unless it's one of the last generation where this adjustment could be handled automatically, you will have to manually set it up so the lines are thicker and JUST almost touch or you get those idiotic black gaps between lines. Those black gaps are not what the developer intended lol.
>>12117083They might go down because they have gone down before.They became nearly worthless.The current fad may die.
>>12117098They will never go back down to "who gives a shit, just get rid of it" prices.
>>12117098>They might go down because they have gone down before.Economics is not the same science as predicting that the sun will set in the evening.>They became nearly worthless.To some.>The current fad may die.Considering that they don't make them any more, that more fail every year, and that there is a huge booming demand for them by retro gamers, under what circumstances do you see this happening? I don't think retro gaming will become less popular. In fact it's more popular than ever and just keeps getting more popular by the day. News is writing articles about it now, normies are having a field day.>>12117104In a decade we'll see a version of that pickers show but exclusively dealing with computers, games and systems, and CRTs lol. Probably plasma too by then, a good plasma screen is stunning and they have all the inputs you'd ever need.
>>12117078>So you agree it’s not really retro and in fact you are doing something that doesn’t align with how it was done back in the dayYeah. I don't give a fuck what people did back in the day. Lol. I already lived through it.>It’s not actually retro and you would have looked very odd back in the day.So did people care about what they played on or didn't they? Better get your story straight.>Enjoy being not a pleb with your tiny PVM for what that is worth to you.I enjoy it every night, thanks. It's the most gorgeous CRT I've ever seen, and it cost me $0.>>12117041>we have devs who outright said they designed home console games with consumer tvs in mind.And people design cars with everyday driving in mind. That doesn't make people wrong to want to race them on a track. You typed an awful lot of words to say nothing at all, lmao.
>>12116884>worthless like vintage radios.Anon? They're hugely popular. People even buy radios that are shit internally but look rugged and manly for their man caves. Certain late '70s and early '80s Sony ruggedized models are popular for this.I'm a ham who DXs BCB as well, I am pretty up on the scene.
>>12116956They can't.You are not allowed to enter the pillow fort without the password.
>>12117134We have different definitions of vintage, it seems.
I still use my plasma TV. Better motion and deeper blacks than LCD, higher brightness than anything south of an OLED, it's huge, and doesn't take as much space as a CRT would.
>>12117125>And people design cars with everyday driving in mind. That doesn't make people wrong to want to race them on a track. You typed an awful lot of words to say nothing at all, lmao.Except those devs designed the graphics to look a certain way on a consumer grade set. Like sure, you can race a junker car on a track, but it's clearly not designed to do so and will be inferior to using a car built to race.
>>12117083Because people debate if they will ever remanufacture old CRTs again. Like how companies brought back instant film cameras again, re-opened up record factories to make old school music albums again, made new music turn tables, and recently made new music tape players again.Bringing back CRTs are the last carrot dangling in front of fans.
>>12117386Most of those examples are now low-grade chinese junk made using parts from the only factory left on the planet and sold by shell brands looking to capitalize on nostalgia (I think there's only one company on the planet that makes cassette mechanisms and they're some of the worst ever made)vacuum tubes (CRTs) are special beast and the supply chain required to make them is long dead and buried and we will likely never be able to get the economy of scale required to make producing these worthwhile again
>>12117316My oldest mains radio is a Radiola 17, which works great now, I have several older crystal sets. Pre and postwar radios, a couple boat anchors, a Clansman set or two, it was all $5 junk not too long ago. I got rid of anything with no hope of my repairing it, or stuff that I just don't really like. What I'm left with is a cool time capsule of working radios.
>>12117415CRT tech is where tube amplifiers were in the 80s and 90s when people were realizing it was universally better than solid state amplifier tech and buying up all the old tube amps from pawn shops. It took time, but specialized firms and major players would start producing tube amps again, with new pricing influenced by the demand and production costs. Amps that used to cost $200 new had to cost $2000+.TL;DR in 2040 you will be able to buy a new CRT, but it will probably cost you $5000-10,000.
>>12117079>I think the dollar will collapse
>>12117340Plasma is cool but useless for light gun games as are small PVMs or TVs. The were intentened for play on CRT TVs with 26 inch and up screens. It pains me to see people trying to play with OG lightguns on 14 inch CRT TVs. The ONLY use for small 14-15 inch CRT TVs for me is with old 8 bit computers where they make good monitors for unmodded RF and RGB systems. Underlying ALL of this is the fact that being a nerd or into games was a relatively niche thing in the 80s and 90s, systems never sold much more that 60 million many far far less down to a few million. Now there are over a billion people into games and many with an accute interest in what came before. This board should be stacked with people who have what they love before all this shit with prices started. If you see a cheap big old CRT TV get it and get a small one to. Contact people doing house clearances. Get a surge protector and keep your CRTs and orginal system PSUs on them, make sure the plug is clean and vacum the dust off them and look after them. There was only so much physical media and sytems made and I'd say less than half of any eras survived. Don't look in retro stores or ebay, ask house clearance companies and look at estate auctions and for fuck sake don't buy it as an 'investement' but get it cheap because you genuinely like it and want to clean it up and have a play.I don't get PVMs and I used work in broadcast so I've seen plenty of them but physiologically everyone is different and it may be for a certain subset of people there is nothing quite as good. Is it worth spending huge sums on them, again if you could spend that on cheap old consoles/computers and TVs not at this 'retro prices nonsense' but cheap at house clearance auctions you would get a fuck ton of systems and games. A lot of the TVs don't even go up at auction, I was just talking to someone a few days ago who was helping through hundreds of old CRT TVs out of a shut hotel. Last exit through the giftshop.
Why does majestic 1000 TVL equipment make /vr/ shit their pants in fear?
>>12117490>with an acute interestWith a fake interest. I was still able to buy boxed Mega Drive and Super Nintendo games for £2 in 2008. And around £10 in 2012. It was between those years the foundations were laid to commodify and retard geek culture to hell and back with cheap smartphones and social media. After that point the prices never dropped.
Atari 2600 is quite affordable.
>>12117501You have about... 2 input sources that will take advantage of it, Hi-Vision based formats like MUSE and WVHS.
>>12117415Do you have any idea how much money it cost to get instant film production restarted again? We're talking tens of millions of dollars just to buy the factory. And millions more to rebuild the assembly line and more millions to find chemicals for the film dye. Most of chemicals are now either illegal or have long since ended production. But they still did it. Those photographers enthusiasts love film and don't want it to die.
>>12111415>megatroon
>>12117546I bought two PSPs for 3 each just a month ago sitting on a case in a charity shop. Both worked perfectly.Got a DS Lite with mario cart still in it for 4,also worked perfectly.I still see old systems in mixed lots at auctions missed in with boxes of books etc that sell for less than 15, it just I have them already and am not a reseller or scalper. Honestly I've everything I want at this point.I still see NESs with zappers and games going for 50-60 quite often.If you buy from scalpers expect to get scalped.I search auctions for keyworks like games and computer and just dig through the lots.You get a lot of lots that are stuff like old gameboys and games and accessories mixed in with stuff like portable DVD players and old phones.I never did this for making money though or because I though any of this would every be worth money,I just always liked cleaning it up and turning it on and having a play.Its not just old retro gaming stuff. I see scalpers in these stores going through every single music CD and checking the prices on their mobiles. Same with stuff like fantasy and science fiction books and DVDs and Blu Rays. Often the charity shops are not allowed sell electronnics so will have to bin it.Tell them you will dispose of old games machines and computers for them.I used get a lot of stuff that way.I've got 30+ running systems and thousands of games but I would never have even started except I saw them sitting there for cents when nobody wanted them.When the video rental stores shut down that also rented games tons of it just went to recyling or landfill because no one wanted old PS1/PS2 stuff.There are people on this thread who will ignore the stuff that is cheap and available now that was still physical media based and then scream blue murder in a few years because they can't afford it.Get stuff like the wheels, joysticks, PSUs, lightguns, cables, spare systems for parts for the stuff that is cheap folks and thank me later when it becomes unavailable.
>>12117549Yes it is. I already have one and the cartridges I wanted though, they do need recapping though. A lot of stuff can be very cheap because eomeone tried to make it work and found it was dead. Very common with any old computer with a floppy disk operating system because the belts are nearly always rotten in the drives, even though is just a few dollars for a replacement and removing a few screws and wiping with isopropyl on the pully and gettinng the old perished rubber out to fix them. I think its a shame when people do stuff like soldered composite mods and 'upgrades' like extra capcitors to filter audio and vidual though.Do people really play 100s for old PVMs? I had no idea my stuff had become valuable until one of my kids brought a friend over who was into old games. I stuck silent hill into a PS1 for him because he was looking at it to play on and he freaked out because he thought it was a precious antique. He also came back and tried to over me a few hundred for the silent hills and residenet evils which I thought was incredibly rude but I gave him a stack of old PS2 duplicates I had from mixed lots, he probably ran off and sold them. I'll bet this eventually passes as a fad but it won't bother me either way because my stuff will never be for sale anyway, I got it to keep and play with and I paid very little for it.If you speand hundreds and hundreds and hundres on a small PVM what's your plan for trying to repair it when the tube goes? I mean if its a TV you only paid ten for who cares, into the skip it goes but if you've paid a lot for it what's the plan? When an electron gun is dead it's major work and hard to to fix, just ask the arcade cabinet guys
>>12117546same with old roleplaying game stuff. Used to find it all the time mixed in with books in chaity shops never see it now it's also become scalped. Can believe a red box dnd set is now a collectable, but it is.
>>12117591They didn't even restart it, it's all contracted out to Fuji, Efka, or one other company I forget which.
>>12111365Broadcast monitors are a meme.Just get a regular TV set.The image quality is far better.Broadcast monitors are too sharp, they're meant to show all the flaws in the image. Low res games looks awful on them.>>12111415>burn in>motion blur>ABL cant be disabled>life span is 12 months at bestNah
>>12118072>Broadcast monitors are too sharpYou know you can connect composite cables to them, right?
>>12117653rf is gay
>>12117909>They didn't even restart it, it's all contracted out to Fuji, Efka, or one other company I forget whichYour entire post is just wrong. Nothing you said is the truth.
>>12117653>When an electron gun is dead it's major work and hard to to fixHow hard are we talking?
One of the best things of not living in burgerland, is that the CRT market here will never be as inflated because dumbass speculation. Imagine that for this beauty modded with SCART one guy in my city asked for the equivalent of 35USD. The only reason i didnt buy it was because i own the famous Philips widescreen 28 inch, which was 15USD.
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>>12118290realistically impossible unless you have thousands to source unobtanium parts. That's the real problem with old arcade cabs being kept in OG form. That being said, the last generations of CRT TVs were very well made and will last many decades IF you look after them and keep them on surge protector and cleaned , things like voltage regulators and capacitirs improved a lot in quality and durability and cost throughout the 80s and 90s and and even fairly cheap CRT TVs were very well made and very durable by the 2000s
>>12118337That's a nice one. Just looking through some of the small ads though it looks like people are noyw starting to ask for 100s for old TVs in the UK as well.
>>12118229Shopwing how little you know about retro gaming there. If it had not been for RF connections on Pong Machiens and 2600s that meant you could use them on TVs there would have been NO adoption of home gaming at all same for the real explosion in cheap 8 bit personal computers. RF was the only connector on many systems. I get a lot of people don;t give a shit about keeping stuff in original conndition (I do) and composite mod it and that's fair enough but RF was the ONLY way to connect a lot of old stuff to a screen as it was designed. There are BTW boxes that can act as RF tuners that you can plug an RF into and tune to it that will then output to composite or HDMI or whatever but if you want to plug in some thing like a VIC 20 as intended it goes into RF on a CRT TV or a speccy or a pong machine or whatever. Withour RF games machines would have stayed too expensive for mass adoption, TVs in the 70s and 80s were big ticket purchases (still in the 90s early and mid ). RF was not just based but gaming would not exist if it had not been there.
>>12118834>or a speccyJust to elaborate there there is not one model of speccy as some people think (the original rubber keyed one) but a whole range of them evolving up to 128K models with sound chips and RGB and disk drives. I'm talking about the original rubber keyed one. Its RF only unless you do a solder mod on it for composite (fairly easy on a spectrum but then the machine is no longer in original condition ) same with most stuff like pong machines or intelluvisions or 2600s (can also be modded but you need to take out some resistors). Its probably easier for most people not into repairs to get an external RF modulator tuner box as a bridge to composite and avoid fucking with old systems. They are fairly cheap. However if you want these systems cheap then you will be picking up ones that people think are dead and need recapping or whatever although there are a lot more places now offering to do repapir work on old machines than there used to be. When capacitors go bad in old systems and they are powered on, damage can occur to other parts maybe a memory chip has gone bad etc. It's hard to write an explatation because I don;t know whether many of you are new to all this or have soldering stations in your basements. Taking the example of teh VIC 20 though, there were only a couple of million of them made, probably half of them are deleted though being thrashed, there are a few hundred thousand of them about but there are a billion people who consider gaming and their hibby and now hundreds of millions who are also into exploring all the old stuff. It's innevitable I suppose that this tuff got more expensive. I just never saw it coming. If you wree into these old machines for a long time people just thought you were an excentric (I am) and were into worthless junk (and most of it was given away just to get rid of it).
Americans fear clear picture quality like they fear walking or eating a salad
>>12111365>playing MGS on a gamecube>Speakers with magnets next to a CRTNGMI all the ingredients are right but the meal is inedible
>>12118886Literally fucking obsessed, we’re all you think about all day
>>12117357>Except those devs designed the graphics to look a certain way on a consumer grade set. LA handful of them did. Not all. I honestly don't give a shit that the waterfalls in the first level of Sonic 1 don't look "correct" when the rest of the game is as crisp and clear as it is on my gorgeous PVM.
>>12111685composite was how 99.99% of people played back then and most consoles were shipped with composite cables
>>12115059oldest zoomers are 30 right now retardkun
Anyone else take the monitorpill? I fortunately happen to still own from childhood both a CRT TV (with Composite, S-Video, and Component) and a CRT monitor. >Own a PS2, N64, and Wii for 8/16-bit emulation on the TV >Many N64 and PS2 games look and run like shit on real hardware, these things didn't matter as a child but now it impacts my enjoyment>Still want access to everything from 5th/6th gen without having to buy all the consoles and mods for them, as well as being able to use any controller I want >Get bothered by imperfect geometry and linearity like an autist, can't fix everything via service menu on my TV, no way in hell am I replacing capacitors and adjusting knobs >Buy VGA-to-DisplayPort adapter to use the CRT monitor on my PC with RetroArch>Easy control over geometry settings>Can create different resolutions>6th gen looks incredible, GameCube/PS2 rendered at high-res brutally mogs my TV on PS2/Wii hardware with component>Better performance than original hardware, no nausea inducing slowdown on N64 games>Option to use either 240p super resolution or 480p with interlacing shader for scanlines, or if you find that look too sharp because of the monitor's dot pitch, you can also experiment with CRT shaders at 960p and above if you have a capable monitor>Shaders/filters to simulate the look of composite, S-video, and RGB, dithering, and other options to fine tune to your preference>Still get the impeccable motion clarity of a CRT>Also great for old PC gamesI get the appeal of wanting to play on a big TV and wanting to play only on original hardware. But, if you don't mind the smaller size, emulating, and tinkering with settings, a CRT monitor is a solid alternative for retro gaming with similar upsides of a CRT TV (motion clarity, latency). Something to keep in mind because finding a decent monitor might be easier/cheaper at this point than a decent TV.
>>12111471I still do.
>>12117125People would never use PVM back then. Fact.I wish you the best with your tiny screen that is inferior to an emulator on a modern display.I often think some of these posts are simply designed to trick zoomers into buying overpriced ancient screens from resellers.Nice chrono trigger image I guess.
>>12119160He’s still correct though.
>>12119238I use both, a 17" sony crt (I want a bigger one) and a 27" jvc tv. 6th gen games do indeed look great. with the retrotink5x all PS2 games look 480p.
I kinda think it's a waste of money mostly. My free HP monitor with a fluorescent backlight is a better experience.
>>12118821>the last generations of CRT TVs were very well madeYou mean when TVs became silver with flat screens? Shit. I was never going to be able to move a 32-inch sony wega by myself anyway.
>>12111871Ticking off checklists is fun. If you don't get the dopamine hit from completing a good checklist of tasks etc, then good sets force you to experience all the game has to offer
>>12119324retard
>>12119320emulator fags thinking they are basedsad, nothing wrong with emulation but it's massively stupid to stick with it instead of the real thing when they were being given away for five bucks. The games were written to be played on the controllers and peripherals that were available for them and buy the time you are finished fucking around with trying to hook up an e,g PS1 fiching reel to an emulator you might as well have just got a PS1 while they are still fairly cheap. Some emulations are pretty neat like the retrogames stuff that matches original keyboards and cases or mister or the spectrum next or ultimate 64 but slumming it on a PC is nothing to be proud of. All the people who wrote the emulators owned the original machies......
>>12119238What model do you have and at what size? I have one new old stock chink 17 incher, but I'm looking to get something with a diamondtron tube as well
how hard is it to convert an old CRT computer monitor?
>>12121087I'm just using a cheap ViewSonic 17", manufactured in the mid-2000s and didn't have a ton of hours on it, so fortunately the tube is still fresh with good brightness. I also have a Sony monitor I found, but the brightness is so dim it's unusable, old Sony DAS software is the only way to attempt to fix it and it looks like a pain in the ass, so I haven't bothered. Just about any monitor 17" and above should have absolutely no problem doing 1280x960p and super resolutions like 2560x480p for RetroArch. If your intent is mainly just retro gaming and not pushing really high resolutions and refresh rates, then the one you already have should be perfectly fine, unless you really want an Aperture Grille type or a bigger monitor. I wish I could find a fuckhuge 19" monitor locally, but I'm content with what I have.>>12121219To connect it to a modern PC? A VGA-to-DisplayPort adapter. Some of those adapters might not support really high resolutions and refresh rates, but something like 2560x480p 60hz for RetroArch practically any adapter should support. The StarTech ones are what's usually recommended. I couldn't get my AMD gpu to recognize the monitor, could be the adapter I'm using, so instead I use the DisplayPort on my motherboard that uses my Intel cpu's igpu, then set RetroArch and other emulator apps to use the AMD gpu. For creating custom resolutions, I use Custom Resolution Utility. If you have an Nvidia gpu, you might have an easier time setting it up, I don't know how it works for Nvidia gpus
>>12120270He’s correct though.Your idiocy is not relevant.
>>12111365>Back in 2020 you could get a decent 20in PVM for like $150bull fucking shit. Prices haven't been that good since like 2015. >>12111471I have a PVM, BVM, and a nice panasonic with a shadow mask. Even then, I'm considering doing an RGB mod for my 32" consumer trinitron. Love a PVM but the size issue can be a bit annoying. 13-14" is fine for a desk. 20" is fine if you're not too far away and just playing by yourself. But ESPECIALLY when doing multiplayer stuff, having people gathered around a 20" PVM just doesn't cut it.
>>12111365Whats the big deal with PVMs? I've never actually used one so I dont know what I'm missing out on. I'm just happy with a 32in JVC. I probably overspent on the one I own but its condition is really good. I just sold a smaller CRT I found for free to pay for it.
>>12121352personally i just like how they are squared off unlike consumer sets, but really it's just slightly better picture with more adjustment knobs
>>12119238The true end game is multisync monitors that can do 480p and 240i natively. Like rare NEC, mistubishi, and BVM/PVM shit. If I'm using a PC monitor I'm just gonna emulate 90% of that shit instead of bothering with converters/adapters/line doublers. I regret all my big CRTs because 250 pound awkward sized stuff I have trouble moving sucks to own. Small to medium sized are the way to go unless you are really strong with no risk of back injury.
>>12121352They accept RGB which is the highest quality signal most retro vidya consoles put out. It's basically the same signal used in computer monitors, but with the horizontal and vertical sync combined instead of separate. Effectively, they're arcade-quality monitors. It's technically a better quality signal than component video, but given the age of the equipment, that difference is likely negligible now, and you can buy component cables with built-in transcoders for most retro systems now.>>12121363>with more adjustment knobsMost of those knobs on the front don't actually do anything in RGB mode, because the idea is that as long as your TV isn't malfunctioning, the color/saturation/tint shouldn't need any adjustment. All you can really do via knobs is brightness.>>12121421>multisync monitors that can do 480p and 240i nativelyI owned a multisync PVM 20L5 for about a week before sending it back. I just remember it requiring too many geometry adjustments between 480p and 240p mode—it wasn't really an as effortless of a switch as I had imagined, and I don't really play many 480p games in the first place.>Small to medium sized are the way to go unless you are really strong with no risk of back injury.Yeah, I lugged two 32" JVCs up and down a flight of stairs a long while back, and it made me swear off of anything larger than a 27".
>>12121439We both know that well made 32 inch TVs with stereo speakers and all the connectors and 16:9 are the peak though. No pain no gain sometimes.
>>12121421They are not 125 lb though they are not even 60lb unless I am far stronger than I thought or you found something very overbuilt. Until you get a home of your own and can stop moving ANY retro stuff like arcade cabs or lots of old machines will be a pain. Then again you have the problem that the ship is leaving port on cheap and affordable and you need to act before it's gone.
>>12121352>32in JVCNice. I do like the little 14-15 inch TVs for 8 bit RF stuff sometimes though
>>12121474the ship has already sailed on arcade cabinets. biggest regret of my life is not getting a couple candy cabs 10 years ago. was looking at an egret II back then and could have had one shipped to my door for ~$1750, and now you're looking at $3000 before shipping for an astro city (good and popular, but less desirable than egrets since they're a pain in the ass to rotate) so I don't even want to know what egrets go for nowadays
>>12121471>stereo speakersNah. CRT speakers are better than flatscreens, but if you really care about audio, you need to just get a dedicated receiver and some actual 3-way speakers. Even the cheapest shit you can find will be better than any modern entertainment system. It's insane how audio quality has suffered in the HD era.>16:9Double nah.
>>12111468lightguns?
>>12121493sure but what I was giving are the defining features of the ones you want because they were last gen and best made. Typicall 32 inch, with stero speakers of a matching triangular stand supports pal, ntsc, pal 50 has 16:9 and a good range of connectors. Simply because the compoents in them were vastly better than the ones a decade older.... a but like saying you know an elephant because it has trunk and big ears
>>12121553>pal 60typo
>>12121553>defining features of the ones you want because they were last gen and best made>16:916:9 CRTs are HD and thus pointless for retro vidya—they digitally upscale any signal below 720p, which leads to image degradation and input lag, which is the whole reason CRTs were preferred over LCD/Plasma in the first place.I guess if you just want to be able to say you're using a CRT, then whatever. But they're also even heavier than regular CRTs, and any game in 4:3 (i.e.; 99% of retro vidya) would end up smaller than if you just played on a nice 27".
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>>12121602Read my fucking post and think before you reply looking for an arguement with your strawman discussion with yourself for fuck sake
>>12121486The main of maintaining those old CRTs though, I comfort myself with that for having passed up a sit down star wars eons ago
>>12121930>The paintypo>>12121602you really are full of shit and have no idea what you are talking about m8
>>12117667Are normalfags actually playing with those sets are they just collecting them?
>>12119320>People would never use PVM back then. Fact.Don't care for professional monitors especially aperture grill ones. I prefer low-mid range sets through RGB. Still this is such a complete utter dog shit argument>I was a four year old shitting my diapers back in 1992, this means there was no such thing as enthusiasts who had professional video monitors>The majority of people were poor fags, this means nobody actually bought the high range sets etc the list goes on
>>12121352I've carried a few 32" JVCs, those fuckers are heavy.
>>12121924I read your post. It's wrong. 16:9 CRTs are HD sets, and thus not ideal for SD content like retro vidya. Sorry about your brain problem.
>>12122341>I was a four year old shitting my diapers back in 1992, this means there was no such thing as enthusiasts who had professional video monitorsThere likely were some, but what was more likely was probably people with repurposed arcade monitors. I remember reading an article about how the screenshot techs at GameFan magazine used an arcade monitor to play and take screenshots with RGB, which is why they had some of the most gorgeous layouts at the time. Most other magazines and player's guides in the 90s just used composite to take screenshots, and it looked like shit, lol.The notion that nobody cared about video quality in the 90s is indeed hilarious.
>>12117628>I see scalpers in these stores going through every single music CD and checking the prices on their mobilesthose are resellers. You seem to be confused on the meaning of scalping. No one picking stuff out of thrift stores is a scalper.
>>1212147460 pounds is fine but my CRT 230 pounds and I can't move it like I could 10 years ago. Owning a home doesn't mean you won't sell and move to another.
>>12123705>16:9 CRTs are HD setsSince when? We never got HD CRTs in the UK. They went straight to the lcds/plasma for HD.
>>12123815>Since when?Since always. There are some cheapo outliers, but the vast majority of 16:9 sets were HD. That was the whole point. The original anon I replied to specifically mentioned sets with "all the inputs" which would have been high-end, and thus HD.
>>12123857they often were in the US, HD CRT's pretty much dont exist in europe, 100hz was the big thing here instead (since it removed the flicker from 50hz).
>>12123863HD CRTs pretty much don't exist in the US either. I've seen like a few dozen out of thousands and thousands of CRTs in my lifetime. And most of those were at retail stores not selling due to the being the price of a car.
>>12123857>>12123986Only one of you is telling the truth. Still, I hate that we didn't get HD CRTs.
>>12123863Most last generation sets were PAL/NTSC/PAL60 in europe but it's laughably incorrect to think they were HD. It shows zero comprehesion and a mindset framed by modern PC resolutions.
>>12124021Neither of us are lying. He's right that all the widescreen CRTs were HD. But widescreen CRTs and by extension HD CRTs were really uncommon
>>12124048So you had not that many widescreen CRTs in the US? I think almost every last gen UK CRT was widescreen not including those bedroom ones.
>>12124048>He's right that all the widescreen CRTs were HDWidescreen CRTs were available since the late 90s, and they definitely were not HD
>>12111365>Are the prices ever going down?Only if game companies or third parties manage to create 1:1 reproductions of the original hardware and games.
>>12124110wait>CRT TVsNever. Never ever. That tech is never coming back no matter what. Not only that but TVs themselves have a lifespan of about 20-30 years, and since the last ones came out in the early 2000s, they're in their dying days.
>>12121602>16:9 CRTs are HD and thus pointless for retro vidya—they digitally upscale any signal below 720p, which leads to image degradation and input lag,Youtube lied to you kiddo. There are 16:9 CRTs that can be set to not do that.
>>12124048>He's right that all the widescreen CRTs were HD.Hoseshit. Bollocks. Nonsense. I fucking own one.
Got my Ikegami TM20 80RH for $100 shipped just before the CRT hype hit some years back. Like milspec tier construction that blows away Sony and a more arcade like curved tube. Seller picked a mint one for me...just saw one sell for $2200 on eBay in worse shape than mine. Got a bunch of regular CRT TVs I've found over the years free to cheap and that bargain Ikegami is the most expensive CRT display I will ever buy, sucks to be late to the game I guess.
>>12124114>TVs themselves have a lifespan of about 20-30 years, and since the last ones came out in the early 2000s, they're in their dying days.My 1973 working Trinitron says Hi! The electronics can be easily repaired as long as the tube is good and indeed an entire new chassis could be made new even to drop in.
You can still get CRTs for free so I don't understand how anyone is late.
>>12124048You're both lying. That's why you're both drawing retarded conclusions and coping like mofos.
>>12124917ThisI have a bvm-1302P from '82, still works in perfect shape like it's new.
>>12124917You say that like the average poster isn't deathly afraid of internals and shocks
>>12124459>BollocksI'm talking about in the US, retard. Non HD Widescreen CRTs were barely produced here.
>>12124056You weren't alive if you think widescreen non HD CRTs were commonly sold in the US.
>>12125117You're just retarded and can't read.
>>12126025>caught telling retarded lies>u-u-ur retardedWhy are children today so mentally ill?
>>12126078You're gay.
>>12121604He was correct.You are an idiot.>>12111365You don’t need one.
