>inferior series wins because it's available on the normalfag console
>>12112514DOA lost though
>>12112517Yes because it wasn't on the weakstation poor people bought because it was cheap
>>12112514In all seriousness, a lot of hardcore players didn't like how parries, standing combos, and stances worked in DoA and VF because they were too deep.>>12112518It was though.
>>12112514The publisher did it to themselves then.
>>12112514Never played DoA, but Tekken kicks VF ass any day, not only does Tekken has more interesting characters but also content wise they where better, with VF1&2 you only have the arcade game and team battle, but with Tekken you have a bunch of unlockable characters and extra game modes, it wasn't until VF3rd that Sega added proper content to the games, yet both Tekken 3 and SoulCalibur knock VF3rd out of the park.
>>121125143tb is not a good game.
Didn't know the ghost of Itagaki was posting on /vr/
>>12112514
Dead or Alive was released on PS1 two weeks before Tekken 3 but sold only 1/30 of Tekken 3 sales number. I love the game but it isn't really comparable.DoA going xbox exclusive was what made it much more popular.
>>12112517Part of DoA becaming irrelevant is because of how much it stayed exclusive to dudebro shitbox
>>12112514That's one reason, the other is that Tekken is a button smasher.>>12113896Based
>>12112624Yeah, they actually had integrity and didn't want to sacrifice their vision to cater to the playstation masses.
>>12112514DoA was ever only relevant when on Xbox, because there weren't really any other fighters on there except for what, Tao Feng? The moment it went back to being multiplat people forgot all about the series. That and Xtreme Beach Volleyball.
>>12114118>button smasherSo is DoA but you have only two buttons to mash there as opposed to Tekken's four.
>>12113945VF4Evo is such a masterpiece that to this day I haven't played a better 3D fighter.
>>12114265Tekken bros. . .
>>12114341The AI is better than that of VF5 because they trained it on real players from arcade tournaments. Has an extensive tutorial mode too. Great game, never owned it as a kid.
>>12114353>trained it on real players from arcade tournamentsOh so that's why there were unlockable matches and movies from arcades showcasing strategies and complex move executions.
>>12112514Rule of cool is why CHAD games like Tekken win. Tekken is the popular kid at school who is good at sports, liked by everyone and gets all the pussy. VF is a nerd who is largely ignored. DoA tries to act sigma but in fact he's a porn-addicted school shooter.
>>12114497Based
>>12114497But also said "Chad" is more shallow and empty than the nerd and the sigma, all style and no substance.
>>12112514DOA lost because Itagaki was no longer in control of it. DOA4 remains the greatest 3D fighting game ever made and each new title he developed had been better than the one before it. The other two would have been finished and bankrupt if Tomonobu was still in charge of this series.
>>12114518NTA but out of the three doa has the least technical depth. It only compensates with interactive stages
>>12112514DOA 1, the entry that's actually contemporary to Tekken 3, was on the PSX.
>>12114585This. I love DoA, especially DoA4, but it has always been a party game rather than competitive
>>12114602Games are made for fun, not for fgc faggotry
>>12114308OG Xbox got SoulCalibur II. It sold the worst out of all versions, I think.
>>12114602You call >>12114265 a competitive masterpiece?
>>12114639Heihachi and Spawn are so lame compared to Link, should have been Kratos and Ryu Hayabusa
>>12114497Why are americans so obsessed with high school? The great majority of high school chad's end up having mediocre or shitty lives
>>12114787>are so lame compared to LinkOk homo
>>12114798>muh failed comics edgelord and unarmed old guy from another gameSpawn is a waste of a slot if you are among the 99% who don't give a fuck about comics and Heihachi is boring, both can't compare to having the main character of another franchise being playable.
>>12112514Playstation helped Tekken out in multiple ways, the arcade games were built on Playstation-based hardware which made the cabinets cheaper.
>>12114639Because it had Spawn instead of something like Master Chief, which could have helped its marketing.Each version of SCII is basically identical.
I don't know, no one here has played VF competitively.
>>12114791>americansGlorious Nippon does it as well.
VF always gave me 'low budget knockoff' vibes, it's like a fake game you would see in the background of a tv show.
>>12114808>failed comicsSpawn has been running until recently and has more creative integrity than nuLoZ
>>12114916I can understand Japan, they basically have no freedom once they start working after highschool. But in the west life starts getting interesting after highschool
>>12112514Dead or Alive was always a bit embarrassing to play, and Virtua Fighter was too bare-bones to develop a console following.
>>12112514DOA was multi-platform, even if the best version of DOA2 was still Xbox-exclusive.
I've never been able to get into Tekken, it feels stiff.
>>12114673Anon, it's easy to watch T8 matches on youtube and see that they don't look like that webm at all.That being said, I am fan of modern competitive Tekken. I am not going to die on the hill defending T8 gameplay.For me, the best comp era was Tag1 and T5DR.
>>12115809>I am fan of modern competitive TekkenI meant to say "NOT a fan"
>>12113896Holy fucking based
>>12113969>>12114115Which one of you two fags is lying?
>>12113896>OoTdroneCringe
>>12115841You've worked yourself into a shoot, brother>>12115845Dead or Alive sold much better with Microsoft marketing budget behind it and no Tekken games on the same platform to compete against
>>12112517fpbp
Virtua Fighter 3 is weird in how elusive it is when it comes to home ports. I guess you can play an emulated version of it in the Yakuza games. Maybe it is available on Fightcade? I never got into Fightcade. Virtua Fighter 1 and 2 did get ported to various different platforms. I guess VF 4 is still a PS2 exclusive. Virtua Fighter 3 TB was only ever ported to the Dreamcast.
>>12115845I always associated it with Dreamcast.
>>12115845DoA was one of the very few Japanese exclusive games that probably did decent on Xbox, but that had consequences in the long run because its brand's popularity tanked basically everywhere else, especially in Japan. When 5 came out TN had to borrow VF characters to elemosinate some relevancy in their home country, then 6 came out when woke lunacy was at its peak so it was doomed anyway.
>>12116376fancy word choice
>>12116376The woke mob doesn't buy gamesThe best thing you can do is ignore it.
>>12114265Tekken was much better when it still looked like the above and people were scared to throw attacks into evasion. VF envy is what made them try to convert the game into "if you're not attacking, you're losing" logic
>>12112514>2000s game>mid 90s game>late 90s gameThis bothers the shit out of me
>>12116980VF3 and Tekken 3 are only six months apart
NopeDoA and VF are just gay
>>12117193>DoA>Gay
>>12116697It's hard to ignore an EVO stream being taken down while you're watching it.
>>12117283I blame the actual gamers for bending the knee to the woke mob
Remember the four holy words like a mantra in your heart, for they will protect you in times of great delusion, repeat them slowly until all doubt subsides.Tekken was never good.
But I agree with some of the comments here. Tekken was full of half-baked ideas and clone characters. That wasn't a problem in DOA and especially VF, which, despite its conservatism, gave each character a unique and expressive kit. Also, Tekken has always been a broken party game.
>>12117395>commentsthey're called replies, fellow redditor
Tekken won because it was the coolest.VF characters look like background npcs, theres no style.DOA is better but is too coomer, that puts off normies too much, it was never gonna hit the main stream like tekken.Tekkens got its problems but the aesthetics were always on point.
>>12113969I thought it was an exaggeration but the jiggle physics in DOA1 are actually insanetina's boobs clip into her own head
>>12117395>Tekken was full of half-baked ideas and clone characters. That wasn't a problem in DOA and especially VFYou need to give more context:Virtua Fighter (1993) - 9 unique charactersTekken (1994) - 9 unique, 8 secret clone charactersVirtua Fighter 2 (1994) - 11 unique charactersTekken 2 (1995) - 15 unique, 9 secret clone charactersVirtua Fighter 3 (1996) - 13 unique charactersDead or Alive (1996) - 9 unique characters (11 in the PS1 port)Tekken 3 (1997) - 19 unique, 3 clone characters, 1 MokujinDead or Alive 2 (1999) - 13 unique charactersIt's clear how Tekken obliterated VF and DoA characters wise. Also, Tekken characters had more personality and more expressive animations.
>>12117648>tekken won because it appealed to children the mostWe know, DoA and VF are for older audiences
>>12117648VF characters look cooler than DoA characters
>>12119264DoA3 is just VF4 but worse
>>12114928VF is the lame tryhard cousin of Tekken.
>>12115946>Maybe it is available on Fightcade?It is, so is VF4
>>12112514>>12112517 ist right, you know?
>>12115846>good game...bad!!!
>>12119475tendie spotted
>>12112514>inferior series winsI don't know anyone who played Virtua Fighter, especially on the PS2.>>12114297This. Itagaki was a visionary.>>12114602I will find you, and I will crush your nuts with a sledgehammer.>>12114791>americansNorth or South? You're going to have to make that distinction one day, favela friend.
>>12114602DOA4 is the most competitive 3D fighting game ever made. Everything else is solitaire in comparison.
>>12119278DOA3 > VF4
>>12120586>>12120593Objectively wrong, VF4 is regarded as the most deep and technical out of the bunch. And Tekken 5DR is what everyone were playing competitively. DoA is neither.
>>12114497>im such a fucking chad I pay for frame data and keep buying legacy characters they cut out to sell back holy shit
>>12120783Which of these are related to Tekken 3, Tekken Tag or T5 Dark Resurrection?
>>12120783Moot point. By the time Tekken started doing this shit, DoA and VF had been irrelevant for years. Also,>I pay to change the character hair color back to default
>>12120845Not retro but T7 era of competitive Tekken was based. Much better than T6 and Tag2. Not sure how to feel about T8 yet, too many fuck ups from Bamco.
>>12114787The Xbox and PS2 ports of SCII predate God of War and the Ninja Gaiden 3D reboot, Kratos and Ryu couldn’t really feature on them. If it had released in 2005 instead of 2003, maybe the exclusive characters would be these 2.
>>12112514normalfags had n64 and nes though autists had 8 and 16 bit computers.
>>12121270This. The only fighter normies knew of in this era was Smash 64.
>>12121270>>12121441Holy tendie revisionism everyone had a psx ack then
i dont have any friendsi play solo campaigns but get bored
vf on the right
>>12121525>ohkoThat webm is straight out of a party game
>>12121528Yep. Reminds me of bushido blade.
>>12120740define "deep" and "technical"DOA4 is already a deep game without needing to be unreasonably difficult to play like a game like Melee, which is bad design
The electricity motif of Tekken 3 made my lil weenie peenie stiff. Also on the same console, the same electricity motif in the title screen and level select of Crash 3 WarpedBoth these games were huge for PS1 and weirdly both had these electric effects in them. For a while there I associated PS1 with electricity.You could also add Quezacotl from FF8 which had an amazing entrance animation filled with electricity
>>12117241doa1 might have been one of my first faps
>>12115846You zeroed in on the wrong part my fellow adequate
>>12122090I miss how in Tekken 3 EWGF was that super secret move not mentioned in the move list and took hours of training to pull off. Nowadays it's a common knowledge and miltiple training methods exist.
>>12114602>it has always been a party game rather than competitiveOh no a game centered on having fun rather than soulless robotic autism? How terrible.
>>12123645False dichtonomy. There are not that many competitive games that aren't fun for casual players. In fact, the more fun a game is, the more likely it has a competitive scene.
>DOA is super deep you guys!Then how come every thread about it is just people talking about how much they jerk it to the girls?
>>12123664Deep =/= lacking any eroticism
>>12112514Virtua Fighter has always been a bad series
>>12123670You're not helping your case
>>12119480You're such a fucking loser LOL
>>12123741What kind of logic is that?>"How can DoA have good gameplay if you're talking about the boobs?">"Because it has both good gameplay and boobs">"UMM NOT HELPING YOUR CASE CHUD"Seriously? Is the game committing some moral wrong just by having sexy ladies?
>>12123697What makes you think this way?
>>12123697They really turned things around with VF4, making the characters look more cool. But it wasn't enough to defeat the juggernaut that is Tekken.
>>12123697>b-but it was the first 3d fighter!!
>>12123697Not VF2 though.
>>12124234VF2 was good but VF3 was a big improvement over it
>>12123697GREAT you mean.
kind of insane how early 3D fighting games peaked>soulcalibur II>DoA 3>Tekken 3what more do you need ?
OP thought he was really smart but forgot DOA1 was released on the PSX. Probably wasn't even born back then.OP, you failed. Try again.
>>12124382VF and DoA obviously lost a lot of influence by missing games on the ps in favor of sega consoles and xbox
>>12119572North America, I don't care for anything south of the Río Grande outside of maybe argentina and uruguay
>>12123823I noticed you used a strawman and keep talking about the hot chicks rather than talk about this supposed ultra depth DOA has
>>12124376DOA4
>>12123664You're reading the posts of casuals who get called out from time to time by people who do seriously play it.
>>12116980>>12112517Only because Tecmo fucked Itagaki over.
>>12114265Why the maker of this ancient webm didn't include DoA? Oh, because the quality is shit and would been worse.
>>12114791Ooof.jpeg
>>12124376Project Justice if that countsVF4 Evo
>>12114808Was Spawn still relevant at the time? And NO, NOT in that bot shitpost type of way, I mean, was it really THAT relevant at the time? Like I don't doubt the comics were still goin, but the characters popularity seemed to already dilute when that shitty movie came out.
>>12119264No they don't. Also surprised the old man on DoA wasn't a Mr.Roshi type pervert.
>>12119264Nigga VF4 there has those shitty HIGH CONTRAST BLOOM COLORS.Vanilla DoA2 and 3 looked damn good.
>>12123823This mentality is why we have SF6 and MK with ugly T.slur Rannies
>>12124408How can a direct quote be a strawman, you fool?
>>12124967still waiting for you to show me this gameplay depth DOA has
>>12124973Google "Dead or Alive tournament" and quit being an arse.
>>12124980>just google it bro
DOA would have died no matter what, it became the sacrificial lamb for the FGC to prove they where SERIOUS now.Then months after the core values incident the head of Evo, Mr. Wizard got exposed as a longtime pedo.
>>12125104So he got me too'd
>>12124392Why do you guys still insist that there was no DoA on PS?
>>12124982>zero curiosityyou deserve to be
>>12125368>no DoA on PSYou have reading comprehension problems. Maybe dyslexia, maybe dementia. Go get help.
>>12125487Which DoA game was missed on the PS in favor of a Sega console then?
>>12125491Aren't DOA 3 and 4 Xbox only? Literally missed the free money of being on the ps2
>>12114297>had integrity and didn't want to sacrifice their vision to cater to the playstation massesIt really is weird how Sega flip-flopped Virtua Fighter around between the various competitors...>Dreamcast - VF3.tb>Playstation 2 - VF4>XBox - VF2, VF5, VF Final ShowdownI think VF2 has been on the most consoles, though...
>>12126137>in favor of a Sega console then?
>>12124982What could I explain better then the existence of a competitive scene does?
>>12114265>MtF vs. Chad
Wasn't the top Virtua Fighter competitive player defeated by some guy's 10 year old button-mashing daughter on stream once? No wonder it died lmao
>>12126393Yeah in VF it's very easy for a non technical player to beat a pro. That's honestly a positive. It means people of all skill levels can compete, similar to mario kart.
>>12126602>Mastery and effort don't matter broWorthless.
>>12125274Not really, this one was real.
>>12126137>Me Want inferior port
>>12126393That was in TEKKEN
>>12126393Wrong game buddy.
>>12112514>DoA had combo breaks which meant people couldn't flow chart all of the time and had to delay strings or memorize their high/low/mid options for their strings. Characters are cool so there's some casual appeal, also fan service.>VF has deep combat but the characters are as interesting as stale bread and boiled water so casuals will pass>Tekken has an easy starting floor, brought 90's anime edge with itgee I wonder which will succeed when all that matters is the bottom line, not competitive play viability. Especially in the late 90's early aughts.
>>12127823>Characters are coolNo way, DoA characters are too plain and boring. VF4 is way cooler overall
>>12117325wasn't even the woke mob, they were hosting EVO on ESPN and apparently digital tits are worse than cheerleaders (anti Japanese bias, same with the game awards) and even then they still got cucked, where the core values meme came from lmao. DoA6 and Skullgirls are the perfect examples of what happens to a game when you chase esports nonsense.
>>12127823Is doa competitive play viability in the room with us right now?
>>12127846For real though, why did competitive DoA not take off?
DoA is the better casual game but was hamstrung by lack of aggressive marketing and having to compete with tekken which had a new release every 3 years from 2002 to 2015
>>12127868players have to cultivate their scene(least that's how it used to be), and if you dabble in multiple games you'll naturally gravitate to the one that has more readily available players.
>>12127875>DoA is the better casual gameI explained holds for maybe 2 or 3 mins and let my friends run loose. Was fun watching them realize in real time they couldn't just mash the same strings on each other over and over. they've played 5 and 4, think the next time I see them I'll have them give 3 a go provided my friends series X plays OG xbox games, if not I'll just dig up one of my two 360s.
>>12114787>fix Xbox SC2put Master Chief in it>fix Ninja Gaiden Blackput Master Chief in it>fix Grabbed by the Ghouliesput Master Chief in it
>>12128469>fix Haloremove Master Chief, put Ryu Hayabusa in it
>>12128483>>12128469DOA 4 has Hayabusa and a Spartan... so DOA is the goat is what you're saying.
>>12126364even Shrek Super Slam has a competitive scene, does that mean that game is super deep as well?
>>12128483based>>12128486i used to play the shit out of the DOA4 demo
