Which /vr/ game did the most damage to the video game industry?
>>12135130Diablo fucked up CRPGs beyond recognition.
>>12135130FF7 and Baldur's Gate both ruined Jrpgs and Wrpgs around the time in similar fashion
>>12135136How? By creating what? Some Diablo wannabes during the early 00's then becoming irrelevant?
>>12135138Baldur's Gate saved LGBTQ games.
>>12135143it lowered the common denominator by mainstreaming the genre at a time it was in crisis. permanently shifted it away to real time/rtwp systems.
>>12135153Fucked it up real bad then, though I don't see rtwp games and immediately think "Diablo"
>>12135138I want to hear more about this. Expand on the idea, please.
>>12135130Picrel, obviously.
The fuck did fate/stay night do?Is that even considered a game?
>>12135130The Sims
>>12135168thisit brought women into this hobby to quickly rot it from the inside
>>12135160FF7 turned jrpgs into movieslop over who has the best cutscenes and made fans retards who solely focus on the who's the best girl eventually turning the genre into retarded loser wants friends simulator aka Persona 3 - 5.Baldur's gate did something similar turning fans of the genre into being obsessed with the super quirky party members eventually turning the genre into pseudo dating sims with gender fluid redditors as party members.Basically both genres become parasocial copes for lonely losers.
>>12135158yeah, it doesn't seem obvious now but it had a huge role in that. it made turn-based systems almost unpitchable to publishers.
>>12135165The VN genre popularized gacha slop. FGO is the second most profitable game in existence.
>>121351301. Fate2. MapleStory3. World of WarcraftThe others ones don't have any overt negative impact because Pokemons quality issues stems from gen 6 specifically, and not gen 1. And the others are just normal good games
>>12135176>Baldur's gate did something similar turning fans of the genre into being obsessed with the super quirky party members eventually turning the genre into pseudo dating sims with gender fluid redditors as party members.you're describing David Gaider's input on BG2, it doesn't really apply to the first game which was just a standard high fantasy adventure.
>>12135194>Fate ruined gaming because execs made a spin-off of itYou're legitimately retarded
The gachashit games OP
>>12135130Halo. Normalized shooters being made for consoles first with auto-aim in mind. Started the regenerating health/shield trend instead of finding health packs on the map. Normalized not having as many weapons at once as you can fit on your keyboard's numbers. Basically it was better when developers were copying Doom than when they started copying Halo.
>>12135136Good thing Diablo is an ARPG and not a CRPG then
>>12135130Can’t believe nobody has mentioned WoW, which essentially pioneered mainstream acceptance of the “you don’t own nothing, goyim” business model, was training players to accept pay-to-win a decade before anyone really started complaining about it, and gradually jacked up the always-online gamer ID thing to Orwellian levels.
It's Maplestory>Free to play model>Micro transactions that give a leg up to paying players from shops so you don't need to use the spam filled free market entrance, to having 2x multipliers on experience rates and drops, to gachapon tickets to win big for sought after items to sell off to other players for big mesos (in game currency)>Did I mention gachapon? It had paid gacha far earlier than any other game>Such a profitable model that many studios took notice to a free to play model with tons of micro transactions well afterYou thought horse armor was bad? What about expiring outfits and pets while being done well before Oblivion. Love the setting and simplicity of Maple and oddly dig the grind, but there was so much wrong that it either introduced or popularized.
>>12135130GTA
The Sims because it's my ex wife's favorite game
>>12135130This piece of shit called Half Life 2
>>12135130WoW caused the MMO genre to stagnate and die
How is this even a contest? OP is baiting.WoW and it's not even close. Any online-dependant grind-based game was a big poison to video games.
>>12135165>The fuck did fate/stay night do?Popularized making historical/mythological figures into sextoys.
>>12135130>FIFAbrought thirdies>Counter-Strikebrought normalfags>The Simsbrought women>GTA SAbrought blacks>Final Fantasybrought tranniesI still dunno what brought faggots.
>>12135130MMOs were trash from the start, it sucks to lose a fight just because someone else grinded the game longer than youand MMOs without PvP don't even make sense, why are you doing all this gear grinding just to kill NPCs faster? Might as well play Diablo or something and skip the grind (I never played Diablo either, sorry if the game is grindy too)Ironically the best MMO experience I had wasn't in a fantasy RPG at all, it was in this (retro btw, but RIP now) text-based browser game called "Urban Dead" where you could play zombie or survivor and kill each other (there was no NPCs in the game), you could max your character in like a month or two and there was no rare items in the game, as a human you just used an axe or guns (guns needed ammo) and as a zombie you just used hands or bites, the only armor in the game was a kevlar vest that was easy to find too and didn't even protected muchI guess the modern equivalent would be survival crafters but I didn't play any yet, from googling a bit it seens they have a lot of grinding too
>>12135164recession marker
>>12135130>Pokemon>Ocarina of Time>Call of Duty 4>GTA 3>Mortal Kombat>Earthbound>Counter-Strike
correct answer is obviously GTA 3. its still ruining completely unrelated franchises like zelda to this day.
>>12135130World of WarCraft and it is NOT even CLOSE.
Definitely SMB
>>12135512I sometimes like to imagine a world where Blizzard released Lord of the Clans instead of WoW, and it was either a huge success and made them focus on adventure games, or it was a huge bomb and effectively tanked the company. Either way, a world without WoW. Because yes, a lot of the systemic problems with gaming can be traced back to WoW, either as their genesis or their extreme proliferation.
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>>12135914>I still dunno what brought faggots(You) obviously
>>12135130Elder Scrolls Oblivion
>>12135165>>12135194>>12135878>>12135228FS/N didn't actually do any of this, it was the development of Fate as a franchise that did
>>12137380Good point>>12137542Also this
>>12137380Zelda became good again when it stopped rehashing Ocarina
>>12137708You mean when it rehashed minecraft and skyrim?
>>12135138>>12135176Honestly curious do you actually like old Final Fantasy/JRPGs or are you just coming up with reasons to shit on popular thing because POPULAR THING BAD? I mostly play 8 bit and 16 bit RPGs but I think that FF7 is a great game and its only flaws are that it's too easy and the battle transition are way too long, the gameplay mechanics are still fresh and interesting. I legit just don't get how you can shit on FF7 but then say nothing about 6 because 6 is literally just like 7 except it's 2D, the real classic FF ends at 5Man I'm getting really worked up over this but you tryhards should really understand that a game having more story doesn't mean that it's actually bad, you guys always pretend to be hardcore gameplay-focused gaymurs or something but I swear most of you can't even beat SMB1 warpless
>>12135176Thanks.
>>12135130MMORPGs in general, but especially the freemium ones. Counter Strike, Halo, and GTA are honorable mentions too. I'd say e-sports titles as well, but the concept of e-sports was still niche in the retro era.
>>12137708Yes, it became good again when it threw away good dungeon design in exchange for a pointlessly big open world, scattered temples with no challenge and the shittiest weapon system in all of gaming. The success of BoTW (and the Switch in general) has ruined whatever good was left in Nintendo.
>>12137754I still want to try Prime 4 but other than that fuck nu Ninty and fuck modern games in general
>>12135130Pokeshit created the most autistic fandom on Earth.
>>12137774Sonic fandom is more autistic, Pokemon fans aren't even THAT bad. There's also YuGiOh, the uncrowned king of autism
>>12137778>Pokemon fans aren't even THAT bad.Do I need to remind you where the chu of Sonichu comes from? Do I need to remind you fucking JustinRPG?
This thread ruined OPs mind
>>12137754You mean when it went back to the essence of Zelda 1 instead of the ADV dogshit and shitty puzzle dungeons that corrupted the series. Unfortunately TotK was worse and they learnt jackshit.
>>12137730FF6 didn't had fmv cutscenes or waifubaiting
>>12135130WoW
>>12138009>fmv cutscenesBased cutscenes making /vr/ tryhards mad. You don't even play video games and are only here to complain about stuff btw
>>12135130>Good Thing is Actually Bad: The ThreadAt least you unhappy retards will be contained here for a couple days.
>>12135130Tennis for Two. Video games were a mistake but at this point I'm too addicted.
>>12135130WoW redefined MMOs in the worst way possible
>>12137404I don’t even hate wow. It was a great experience up until wotlk, and I played vanilla/tbc. They simply started getting greedy and looking for any way they could to squeeze more money out of players.
>>12137404>Blizzard released Lord of the Clans instead of WoW, and it was either a huge success and made them focus on adventure gamesthere's just no possibility that would have ever happened though. they started development work on it well after adventure games were already on the decline. as soon as doom's success was realized, the genre was put on borrowed time.
>>12138285Doom had nothing to do with the decline of adventure games.
>>12135130Computer Space
>>12138104>if you don't like watching cutscenes you hate videogames
>>12138323yes it did. adventure games were a product of their time. static screens where you click around for the hidden pixel was one of the only things PC platforms could do well in the 80s/early 90s. once people saw what a game like doom was capable of, slow-paced story-based games just weren't as attractive. not saying doom was the only reason for their decline, but it did contribute greatly to it.
>>12135130Half-Life killed the Golden Age of FPS and supplanted it with gay story driven slop
>>12135224More like David GAYder, amirite?
>>12138396Not even the boomer shooter general likes this forced meme
>>12138347the people playing point and clicks couldn't care less about technical innovations in an action game. a lot of them were middle aged women.
>>12135130SotC is a great game, but it's hard not to notice it was also every scum sucking Do Better twitter journo's favorite game, so I'm afraid Ueda might have killed vidya by legitimizing it in the eyes of soulless bugmen.
>>12138441>the people playing point and clicks couldn't care less about technical innovations in an action game. a lot of them were middle aged women.both patently false. and now you have to seethe about women for no reason because you know i'm right? get a life buddy
>>12138459Ueda was locked on to by indies and "new games journalists" since Ico, but that was just because his games played into the whole "games are art" circlejerk the indies were doing at the time. he didn't start that shit, he was a mascot.
>>12138503projecting much?
>>12135130Resident evil 4It's a good game, but it made every fucking game after it into a cutscene heavy gimmick based press button at correct time bullshit action game instead of people being creative.
>>12138579RE4 isn't cutscene heavy though. Hell, there are actually not that many QTEs in the game
>>12138579lol, I remember people lamenting Shenmue's influence when RE4 released.
>>12135597you had me convinced until this guy >>12135753 stepped in and brought up his wifehell, one of the reasons to even play vidya is to get away from the ol ball and chain
>>12138459OoT already did everything you said
>>12135130No DOTA or StarCraft? Those were patient zero for what would become eSports
>>12138441>a lot of them were middle aged women.And almost all of those middle aged women moved on to MMOs after said innovations. EverQuest was literally like 70% housewives if you played during the week.
>>12138729I almost mentioned DOTA in my comment here: >>12137735Tbqh I didn't want to shit on StarCraft because I fucking love that game, but it'd be dishonest to say it didn't play a role in ruining gaming.
>>12135130Wow ruined MMOs, the genre stagnated so hard and to this day companies still use ut as the model for their own MMO. Which no company makes MMOS anymore, because the genre got iversaturated from everyone copying WOW.For the rest of the industry, probably Maplestory. Pioneered egregious P2W.TF2 (not retro) is probably the all time worst, invented loot boxes/cosmetic items in a non MMO format. That stuff plagues nearly every single modern online video game now.
>>12138909I want to play Everquest with a bunch of housewives....
>>12140351>the genre got iversaturated from everyone copying WOW.This happens to a lot of genres. FPS being the big one that comes to mind with its full decade worth of DOOM clones. The only difference is that DOOM was allowed to exist in a pre-AAA era - while WoW launched at the very beginning of that era - meaning it had a far bigger reverberation than a game like it normally would have.Ultimately, you should be blaming the devs who thought they could ride the coattails of a 20 year successful franchise - not the group of ~30 guys who just happened to make one of the largest games of all time completely unintentionally. I feel like that's a bit like blaming John Romero for the existence of CoD.
>>12140375What I mean is that MMORPG games before WOW were pretty varied and had completely different design philosophies.Everquest, Runescape, Star Wars Galaxies, Ultima Online, just off the top of my head were all MMOs but were completely different games.WOW basically made MMORPGs into the "WOW" genre. It was a lot more straightforward and sinplified, less RPG. Almost every new MMORPG copied it afterwards.
>>12140405And because MMORPGs became synonymous with "WOW clones", companies didn't make new MMOS because they didn't perform well because they all copied the stale WOW format.
>>12135130Why is Fate stay Night on that list? Come the fuck on. Are you trying to imply FSN is the reason for the gacha market? Come the fuck on. Gachashit predates FGO
cont.I mean, FSN is an awesome VN, it's messed up that I can understand it being #1. But also I mean, any other game could've gotten the gacha ball rolling. It's the PEOPLE supporting these trash games that ruin the industry. So of course it's the low standards of subhumans that ruined it. But at the same time, I mean, I feel like that only applies to phoneshit. I don't think modern gaming sucks on PC or console. I think we had a shitty dark age during the PS360 era, but we're past that. Now the worst we have it is Roblox and streamer slop. Which is easily avoidable.
>>12137771This
>>12140405>WOW basically made MMORPGs into the "WOW" genreeh yes and no. it did casualize a lot of things but it also fixed glaring design flaws like having instanced dungeons. the only way you could get good loot in some pre-wow mmos was to be unemployed and camp spawns for days.
>>12138415Sometimes the truth hurts
>>12138459I feel like SotC's biggest influence was on boss design. So many bosses in other games post SotC riff on the giant puzzle boss thing. Not that I'm complaining too much, I like SotC's bosses
>>12135172>it brought women into this hobbyAdventure and puzzle games brought women into the hobby long before The Sims existed
