For how revered DKC is (It's a great game, don't get me wrong), the platforming/gameplay is far too basic, and has nowhere near as much depth and flexibility as Mario World, despite it being a harder game. It's why there are an infinite amount of ROM hacks for Mario World, that continue to innovate the gameplay UNTIL THIS DAY while working with the same assets the game launched with in 1990. The skill ceiling is to the moon and beyond with SMW, but DKC seems very limited in that regard. Thoughts?
>>12138027>Here's why SMW romhacks PROVE that SMW is the better, deeper, more complex gameI hope a gasoline fire consumes you
>>12138027SMW is more fun
>>12138048>that SMW is the betterSays who? Certainly not me. The SMW devs gimped their game hard with their mediocre level design, so a lot of its gameplay potential wasn't realized until modders got their hands on the source code. Take away the ROM hacks and you still have a game with a deep physics system.. you think you can't perform double shell jumps in the vanilla game? There's just no incentive to. I love DKC a lot more but what mechanics does it have that's even comparable to a shell jump?
>>12138027Your blather is irrelevant. You can tell Mario World is the superior game just by playing it.>contrariansMario World has always been widely acknowledged as the superior game.
>>12138027I like monkeys more though
>>12138081Shell jumps were not an intended mechanic by the developers, nor has a straight man ever performed one.
>>12138027why are people saying popular opinions while predending they're unpopular and brave/smart by speaking out, is this a form of trolling?not saying OP is 100% doing this, it's just something I noticed here recently and even on the internet in generallike some youtube video might have a dumbass tile like "shawshank redemption's ending is actually great" as if anyone disagrees in the first place
>>12138158>why are people saying popular opinionsPeople saying DKC has bland platforming is a popular opinion? You'd get witch hunted.
>>12138143Shit at your own favorite game you've claimed to be playing "all your life", the reddit classic.
>>12138186Hallucinate things that did not happen, the chatbot classic.
>>12138027DKC's platforming is indeed basic, but it feels good and level design takes it into consideration. This is done even better in the sequel. Mario World has physics and handling that make it incredibly fun to just move your character around, yet as the other anon said, the level design doesn't make full use of it since it's just supposed to be a simple game for kids. Thankfully you have things like romhacks and Mario Maker.
>>12138027Which goes to show that SMW is basically a tech demo
>create some of the tightest and greatest level design of all time paired with some of the best movement of all time>/vr/: mhuhuhuuuuu... it's.. tooo basicc
>>12138195>Thankfully you have things like romhacks and Mario Maker.It's great you mentioned Mario Maker because that's part of the reason I even bothered with making this thread, because I've seen a few people wanting a Mario Maker but for DKC but I just don't think the mechanics are there to make it as interesting or worthwhile.
>>12138184not saying it's bland, they're both great games but I always took it for granted the SMW is the better gameI think SMW is so good and popular that people don't even notice anymoresay someone asks for a platformer recommendation you're probably not even gonna say SMW, everyone assumes they've already played it if they're interested in platformers (same could be said of DKC to a lesser extent though)anyways sorry for going off-topic, I actually agree with OP I just found his wording/title weirdbut maybe another thing that contributes to the lack of DKC romhacks is the 3D art of the game making it hard for people to crate good looking levelsI think SMW 2D minimalist tiles makes things easier to build your own levels
>>12138214If anything Kirby would be a better fit for a Nintendo maker game. Same situation of fun mechanics with potential locked behind a simple game series.
>>12138245Kirby Maker would turn into a pseudo-monster maker with the potential for custom special abilities.
>>12138245>kirby makerPure kino.
>>12138027SMB3>DKC2>SMW2>DKC>SMW>DKL>>>>>>DKC3
>>12138245>>12138369Yeah what's interesting about Kirby is the boss design, not so much the levels.
Mario has never really been interested in making tightly designed levels that push your skills to the limit, with the exception of post game levels or outlier like SMB2 JP. It's more about giving you a bunch of tools and a playground to experiment as much as you want. That was true of the 2D entries, especially World, and was really taken to the next level on Mario 64, that becomes an entirely new game on the hands of someone who knows how to play. The design philosophy of something like DKC is completely different.
>>12138027DKC is frankly pretty meh, DK is a great character but gameplay wise he feels very sluggish. Also the DKC games cross into meme difficulty, meanwhile Mario always put being fun ahead of everything.
>>12138868But that's what would make a maker game good. Using all kinds of different monster abilities to platform in user made levels since official levels aren't using everything they could.
>>12138027Idk it still shits on Sonic
>>12138027SMW never impressed me, even when it was new. I didn't like Yoshi and too many of the levels blur together. LttP was the first game that actually felt like an upgrade to the NES.
>>12138027>nowhere near as much depth and flexibility as Mario WorldMario World can be cheesed through quickly by unlocking the Top Secret Area in Donut Plains and clearing Star Road 2 for easy access to Blue Yoshi. Once cleared you can get Yoshi right at the start of the level, pause, then press select to exit the stage. Then you can take Blue Yoshi to any level in the game and, as long as there are koopas in the level, you can eat one and fly over every stage. You can even beat Tubular (hardest stage) with Blue Yoshi.
>>12139442>You can even beat Tubular (hardest stage) with Blue YoshiNO YOU FUCKING CAN'T
>>12138027The elements were tighter and allowed for more precision in the Mario games. DK had great music, art, characters, but it lacked some of the mechanical refinement, imo
>>12139448Yes you can.>get to the top of the mystery block immediately before the 3 red koopas>walk to the very edge of the block>have Yoshi eat a koopa>fly through the rest of the course around the Chargin Chucks kicking footballs while the koopa is still in Yoshi's mouth
>>12139579Autists from the year 2025 don't count for any hearsay on how hard Tubular is.In 1990, and for ATLEAST two decades afterward, you could NOT fucking "just cheese" Tubular with a fucking blue Yoshi. That meager 1/6th portion on your image was an entire gauntlet of Chargin' Sneeds shitting baseballs all over your carefully planned strategy and tactics. You were FUCKED if you were gonna bring Blue Fucking Yoshi to this stage, lose him because you still have to beat HALF THE FUCKING LEVEL except WITHOUT a P-BALLOON, to even CONSIDER saying for even a SECOND, that YOU CAN CHEESE TUBULAR with BLUE MOTHERFUCKING YOSHIIT WASN'T A REAL THING TO ANYBODY WHO ACTUALLY *WAS THERE* WHEN SMW WAS IN ITS PRIME AS BABBY'S FIRST PLATFORMER
>>12139591NTA but don't project your retardness on everyone else. Kids without internet and with an SNES, but without many other games, would absolutely autistically play things over and over.>>12139591>lose him because you still have to beat HALF THE FUCKING LEVEL except WITHOUT a P-BALLOONIt's ok, you go back to star road and get another.
>>12139604>wasting time doing a star road runback every time your retarded plan to bring Blue Fuckface Yoshi to the one stage in the game where he doesn't contribute a fuck, besides a ghost house fortress or castleYes, you may be NTA, but you also DIDN'T PLAY THE GAME
>>12139607Blue Yoshi fucking flies. That's rad as fuck. I definitely wasted all the time in the world bringing him to every stage I could.
>>12139614Then why don't you just marry him. If you're gonna bring him to Tubular. Just do it.
>>12138081Then it's not the platforming or gameplay that's basic compared to SMW, it's the mechanics and/or physics, you doink.
ok but seriously why are there no DKC romhacks?
>>12139729dkc has no powerups, whereas rudimentary smw romhack tools such as lunar magic offer support for custom powerupsdkcucks btfo
>>12139591No can do "ma'am", I was cheesing Tubular a quarter century ago and I figured it out all on my own. I'm even more vindicated than ever now, thinking back, because I didn't charge my parents any money on the phone bill. No need to dial-up here. You've only made me stronger.
>>12139808you're rambling your own gay ass faggot headcanon, and quite frankly i don't give a damn about your own personal delusions. sayonara
>>12139813>everyone who's better than me at Super Mario World is headcanonIf only you knew SMW as well as you knew your way around head, ya wannabe grandpa
>>12139842i wish i could suck my own dick as hard you could. for the record, nobody who actually played the game knew the stage even had koopas for blue yoshi to exploit in 1990. no self-respecting child immediately looked up some faggot-born strategy of using blue yoshi for the first half of the stage, without a p-balloon, to eventually "cheese the second half" which is the height of what your delusional ideas would entail. you suck, you're a faggot, you preach ideas that aren't even real that you've never even lived by. you will rot in mediocrity if you don't elevate yourself to live by your own ideas.
>>12139847If only you spent as much time getting good at SMW as you did gaslighitng people for having the audacity to be not as retarded as you are, you discount knob polish enthusiast. Then and only then you would've realized how very possible it is to cheese Tubular with some skill.But no. You do as you're told. You get the P Balloon. You die 30 times. You don't go to Star World 2 and get the Blue Yoshi and then go to Top Secret Area and get 2 Feathers, then go to Tubular and clear it like the masters do, you programmable peasant pissant.
>>12139865>spending 30 lives getting blue yoshi over and over again because you cheated and looked up online guides saying you could beat the stage with blue yoshi, when everything in the stage suggests this is a battle of p-balloon witsyep, you're retarded, and you will never get it
>>12139869>i deny that it's possible to cheese Tubular with Blue Yoshi>but i know how you figured out how to do itthe old-fashioned gamer would easily spend a day playing a level from corner to corner without a million other distractionsyou, on the other hand, are too busy watching homosexual intercourse on your personal or macintosh computer, and as a result never learned how to cheese Tubular, hence the mere sight of a P-Balloon sends you into a fit of homosexual rage and permanent seething
>>12138027DKC mogs SMW- looks better- infinitely better soundtrack- actual level variance- difficulty scales instead of staying at zero the entire gameSMW only thrives in the minds of manchild autists. The same type of burned out millenial that still plays melee and insists wavedashing is le brilliant hidden mechanic and not the bug it obviously is.
>>12139869>when everything in the stage suggests this is a battle of p-balloon witsBlue Yoshi is obviously a replay thing. You already did it with the p-balloon once. But:>>12139865>go to Top Secret Area and get 2 FeathersI had no idea this was a thing back then, but there are tons of levels where you could easily get a feather.
>>12138245Oh god. Kirby Maker would have such potential for cruel creativity. Kirby's mechanics haven't ever been really pushed outside of True Arena boss fights so it makes me wonder what's possible, though it might be best if Kirby had a flight limit like in Kirby 64.
>>12139714>Then it's not the platforming or gameplay that's basic compared to SMW, it's the mechanics and/or physicsYeah, that's my bad. Could definitely have worded the OP better, just threw out shower thoughts.
Kirby levels just can't be that interesting since you can float over everything. I guess you could put a shitload of flying enemies to prevent that, but at that point just use another series.
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