>Try to keep things /vr/ related: Focus should be on 6th Gen Consoles and older. Slight off topic is fine so long as it's related to CRTs, such as later 16:9 models, HD models, etc. Systems with backwards compatibility are also safe territory, as are re-releases on newer hardware. PC CRTs are also welcome and appreciated. >Produce OC! Bust out your camera and take photos of your CRTs displaying all sorts of games, featuring all sorts of tubes, using all sorts of signals. Getting good shots can be hard, but if you take enough, at least a few will turn out alright. >Try and give as much information as possible when asking for info on a specific set, or troubleshooting an issue to expedite and help you may receive. As always, Google is your friend and we are your friends with benefits. Do people read this? Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either; Seriously, there's literally 6 years of backlog at this point. >Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. Always remember to show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first. Limited discussion of video processing and scaling devices is alright, but remember to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories. CRT Pastebin (Never Ever) : http://pastebin.com/1Ri5TS3x (embed) Guide to CRT Hunting : http://pastebin.com/H9H9L2LQ (embed) Guide to Video Monitors : http://pastebin.com/pQX4N6gZ (embed) General Purpose CRT Adjustment Guide : http://www.arcaderepairtips.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/guide_setup_adjust_arcade_monitors_v1.2.0.pdf S-Video Pasta : http://pastebin.com/rH2h6C7W (embed) BKM-10R Protocol Info : http://pastebin.com/aTUWf33J (embed) JVC RGB card cloning guide : https://pastebin.com/EXqMBfcY (embed)
Someone should make an infographic about why RGB professional video monitors actually *are* a great substitute for an arcade monitor because Japanese arcade monitors of the 90s were actually quite high end. I could but I don't wanna anymore.
>>12166627>The quintessential gayming on a CRT during daytime experience
>>12166692You can put anti-glare coating on a CRT just like they do with LCDs, but it kills some of the contrast, just like it does with LCDs.
>>12166692If you don't have black out curtains you aren't worthy of consideration as a gamer
I fixed my "underscan" issue on my presentation monitor. I just resized it in the osd. I thought this would over size content that was displaying fine before making the adjustments. But everything is fine now. I think I have my "holy grail" crt now. The next one i can think of would be a wide screen presentation monitor of what ever brand that has ypbpr as well as vga. But those are more scarce than my 29in monitor. It sucks that mine won't do anything below 480p on vga and won't do anything progressive on its component input (ycbcr). Ill be keeping an eye out for sure for the ones that have ypbpr component. Maybe the games that were getting underscaned were some odd resolution and now that I have corrected the size it now knows what to do when it gets the signal?? Do crts have memory or profiles for each resolution?
My Toshiba 20AF has this visual noise/interference, I tried my best to record it. Looks like noisy black lines all over the screen. Does anyone know what this is a sign of and how it might be fixed? New capacitors?Turning the contrast down helps hide it somewhat.
what's a best way to hook up a TV to a PC these days? it has component, SCART and S-video, model is Sony KV-29RE10K
>>12168067For CRTs, you can get a cheap TV tuner card with S-video and composite out
>>12168123Actually, I think these are primarily TV-In cards and not TV-Out. A VGA adapter like this might be the easiest solutionhttps://www.amazon.com/ANRANK-Performance-S-Video-Composite-Converter
>>12168067If you dont mind downgrading the graphics (dunno what PC you're using), you can also use a period graphics card with native S-video out like a 9800 GT or GTX 285
>>12168140a modern one, so digital outputs, tho I thought about maybe building or getting one with vga just so I could stream media from home server to the tv. I would like to use it as a display for emulators and old anime watching.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0DMNNZHXWI found an HDMI to RCA converter that works well with no funky sound. If you have a Raspberry Pi this is good to have.
>Grab a 20" inch crt for vertical oriented games>Takes a while for it to boot from cold start and the image to get sharper>Open it up>Vestel chassi with a Orion tube>Dated late 2001>CapXon capacitors.Miracle it even works
>>12167648There is no good raisin to play Halo on Xbox instead of Master Chief Collection on PC
>RGB shifts image to the left, I'm aware this is normal>Enter service menu>H-SHIFT only moves the image left, not rightFUCK
>>12168648The reason is to play it on a CRT.
>>12168713Model number? I haven't seen a sony CRT before that I can't adjust either way but it could always be missing some circuitry. I've had a couple that can't adjust h-size despite it being in the service menu.
>>12168765KV-25F1UI'm looking through the service manual and I don't even know if there's an H centering pot on the mainboard. Best I can find is this which looks like it's a switch or connector rather than an adjustment? Very strange.
>>12168765I should add actually the image can technically be shifted right, it's just at it's right-most position by default.
>>12168910army men spotted, are ya winnin son
Anybody play Xbox on insignia?
>>12166627anyone know how good the Bang and Olufsen CRT's are?
>>12169104Never seen one in America but eurofags in these threads always say they are good. They have really nice designs
Philips wide 28 inch + shielded PS1 cable made by myself
>>12169193cheers, theres one near me that's not exorbitant so I might try it out
>>12168165should at least be able to do displayport to vga to svideo
>some shit happened and time passed>nootice already dodgy in the past crt now has some red tint towards the top of the screen on a white image>it's also there when 16:9 content plays, so seems to start from wherever a big white background is being drawn even if it is otherwise still operating at 4:3>as soon as something cuts across the image at the top of the screen/image area it gets its shit together and loses the red tint, going back to it once the top is clear>might also have some other weird coloration towards the bottom while said red tint behavior is going on but iunnoWhat gives?
>>12169205
>>12170129try wigglin all your cables while looking at the picture and see if it's due to a loose connector
>>12170183yeah, i like widescreen, what chu gonna duh?
>>12170310>what chu gonna duh?Keep laughing at you
>>12170256it honestly might be, my cables aren't the greatest either, for my PS2 cable which is what I'd worked to get setup again for the time being recently it's pretty much all fucked if I wiggle it another µm so I'll just take the slight tint for nowthanks
>>12170310maybe you should play games that have a widescreen mode instead of stretching ones that don't have it then
>>12170365hope you figure it out. It just reminded me of my CRT with finicky component inputs.
anybody got any recs for decent bookshelf speakers for use with a crt? mine are causing quite a bit of interference, even with a ground loop isolator. it's especially bad when i'm using RF out for consoles or my vcr.
>>12170435true, but no one can deny me that games with sidescrolling look very nice in widescreen
>>12170556>no one can denyI can.
>>12168980I am dad
>>12170698proud of you Son .. our happy little Accident ..
When it comes to CRTs, i'm a Philips fanboy.Honorable mention Thomson.
>>12168123buy a vga to component cable, or wire one up yourself.people seem to have forgotten vga to component cables have existed for over 20yrs
>>12168779i have a similar model but 29", i forget if it was with this sony or my previous one 25", remember playing a US copy of SoTC on my pal ps2/sony, had to get an rgb scart cable to play in colour, also noticed when switching to rgb scart the screen did shift slightly to the right i think, it was off centre, it might have letterboxed it as well, so had to use the remote to sort that.might just be an issue with certain sonys or all sonys, or just ps2what remote does it use? there are two types. on my 29" i can only access the settings menu with my larger remote.
In theory what's stopping me from taking the service menu settings of a different KV-27S45 owner and just copying all those numbers? Is it possible for a model number to be "solved", or do the aging parts make this a non-viable option?
>>12172259crts drift out of factory spec with age and use, with the factory defaults listed in the service manual. with age these are just reference points to see how out of spec you are, theres no correct number that can be mass applied once the units age differently
>>12172278Yeah I figured as much I just had to ask. This is gonna trigger my autism so hard I have a lot of overscan the picture is way too big, also they're roundish in the corners too so like fuuuuuuuuck
>>12171587Remote is RM-862Like I said I can get into the service manual easy enough, it's just that the H position is already set as far right as it'll go so I'm a bit stuffed if there's no physical manual adjustment internally.
>>12172287overscan hides the corners
>>12171568That doesn't work outside of very specific hardware that outputs YPbPr over a VGA connector. You need a transcoder for RGB to YPbPr
>>12166627Anyone have any games I can play on my CRT monitor that looks better on a CRT then an LCD, also what resolution is best? Currently i'm on 1024x768@85 Hz
>>12166627Hi anons, I just got this cutie CRT, it seems to be in great condition, the image looks great.One thing that bothers me is that AV channel number thing on the corner, it stays on.Anyone knows how to remove that? I don't have the original controller
>>12173245why is your TV on the floor anon?
>>12173245nice handle wish mine had thatlook up the model number and try to find the oem remotefailing that, a universal remotealso yeah wtf anon put that shit up so the roaches don't get into it
>>12173248I don't have furniture for it atm, and this picture was me testing it at first with a console>>12173251Thanks! The model number is still on the back, I might be able to get the OEM one or a clone.What button should I look for though? The menu that the front buttons gave is very barebones. Maybe display for OSD settings?>Also fuck them cock-rocaches, little bastards
>>12173271brother even putting it on a chair is better then the floor, also you can literally put it on whatever is behind that, unless you're not an adult in which case>you must be 18 to post here
>>12173274>underagewould explain the cube
>>12173274Ahaha, I have a 32" led tv on top of that. But great idea on the chair, I have an extra foldable stool that I can put it on for now. Thanks!>>12173291I am a zoomer, but an old one, nearly 30
>>12166690>Someone should make an infographic about why RGB professional video monitors actually *are* a great substitute for an arcade monitorNo "infographic" is needed for this. Arcade monitors were literally RGB. It's the same thing.>>12166692>gayming on a CRT during daytimeMy CRT is actually in a sunroom that's windows all the way around. I just keep the shades down in the day, but even then I can open the windows behind my battlestation if I want some ambience or fresh air, and it won't cause any glare.>>12170554>anybody got any recs for decent bookshelf speakers for use with a crt? mine are causing quite a bit of interference>it's especially bad when i'm using RF out for consoles or my vcr.It's probably the ouput itself. Having an external amp/speakers just makes the interference more noticeable than on most built-in CRT speakers. Interference can happen just from cables being in close proximity to eachother, but RF is literally every signal condensed into one—it's intentional interference, lol.built-in hi/low noise filters and ground loop isolators can minimize it, but really your best option is using a cleaner signal from the hardware to begin with (i.e. not RF). I'd replace wires, output cables, or even your amp before blaming it on the speakers. They're just playing what they're given.
They're spamming the boards, keep this bumped
>>12173354>>12170554i should clarify, the interference is on the tv itself. shows up as squiggly static bars. The ground loop isolator i'm using makes it mostly unnoticeable, but powering them off is the only thing that stops it entirely
b/w crt or color crt?
>>12175242>color lcdfix
>>12175247whole puprose of a CRT is to see the darker colors, so you tell me.
>>12174298>powering them off is the only thing that stops it entirelyWhat do you mean when you say you "power off" your speakers?What's your setup like? Are you using an A/V switcher to run everything through? It's possible the interference is being introduced there. Obviously make sure you don't have wires touching directly, if possible. If you have spare composite/component/s-video/whatever cables you're using, try switching them out.A speaker itself shouldn't really "interfere" with a video signal like that. They can cause magnetic disruption in the tube, but that would look more like rainbow distortion, and could be solved by simply moving the speakers away, or getting ones with better (or any) shielding.
>>12175671>or getting ones with better (or any) shielding.Many years back, I was finding these Sony SS-B series speakers all over for little or no money. According to Sony themselves, they're shielded, and I used to have them right up next to my CRT without any distortion or interference whatsoever. They're not the best speakers in the world, but they're an idea of what to look for.Basically, go speaker hunting on ebay/craigslist and see what's available. Find the model number and look up old reviews on cnet or crutchfield to see if they're shielded or not, and you should be good to go. But most bookshelf speakers made in the 90s or later are going to be shielded, anyway.
>>12175242>>12175247>b/w crt vs color lcdno one talks about b&w crts these days because they got almost completely obsoleted once cheap shadow masks became widespread. they have two advantages vs color crts of the same size. They can display a sharper and brighter image because there' no phosphor dots or mask blocking the beamin practice tho there's not many real use cases besides some very old systems like Apple II, Spectrum (with how bad color games look you might as well play in b&w), some early arcade games etc
>>12167648Bro get an Iphone or a better camera, all I can see if the blurb blobs on that picture.
>>12167648>two copies of meleeone wasn't enough
>>12175982One is an empty "NOT FOR RESALE" case. I also have 2 copies of halo and 2 of r: racing evolution. >>12175980No to both but if youre actually interested in seeing more ill take better pics. That one was a quick snap
>>12176002>No to both but if youre actually interested in seeing more ill take better pics. That one was a quick snapDo it doc, do it!
>>12167975Does it appear on all input sources?
Was wondering if anyone knew the default color values in the service menu for this Toshiba CZ36T31. The past owner fucked with the colors and it's looked like shit. I played around with it myself but I think I just made it worse. There are like 5 different settings related to RGB but I can't fix it.
>>12176194Fugg all my pics bust the file size limit. This is a pita
>>12176791S video btw
>>12175684Really any basic ass 2-ways are gonna be miles better than anything in built in or a sound bar, if you really wanna go crazy pair them with a basic subwoofer as well. I bought some Dayton audio bookshelf speakers a few years ago, I think the big splurge is that they've got ribbon tweeters but they were all of like 60 bucks, hooked up to an old Yamaha sub
>>12176791>>12176802too sharp
>>12176880so sit back a few feet, you shouldn't be playing that shit pressed up against the screen anyway
>>12176301Yeah, it happens on all inputs. What's interesting is that it reduces over time after the TV gets turned on, once the TV warms up after 30 minutes or so it's essentially gone. I recorded a similar video here as the one I posted a few days ago, this time it was on for over half an hour and as you can see it's gone, only the normal 480i flicker appears. I know that CRTs have some quirks as they warm up. In my case, not sure if it's aging capacitors, solder joints, or something else. I won't worry about it for now, but I imagine it's something that'll get worse over time, oh well.
>>12167975That's most likely your cables
>>12176802s video is the best
>>12176906>you shouldn't be playing that shit pressed up against the screen anywaycorrect you will end up with square eyes.
>>12168630I mostly finished recapping it except one 10uf 250v capacitor i lacked for the neckboard.Image is pretty good for what it is, i'll order a replacement flyback just to be sure. It gets a bit too noisy at times.But man my entry level 21" Philips from circa 2003 mogs this Orion tube hard.
>>12167975Open it up and do a inspection of the capacitors and note the brand. While you are at it check for broken solder joints and conduct a visual, sound inspection of the flyback.
>>12176802I can only tolerate S-Video and up for N64.
I love the look of this thing.. just waiting for my cables.
>>12177546Nice Ikea commercial
>>12177546Be sure to take off the contrast screen and clean the actual tube.
>>12177546soulless picture
>>12176912I'm very curious about what's going on. If you ever figure it out, please post an update. Thanks.
>>12177920
>>12177959>t. man without a soul
>>12177959there was no argument, just an observation.using a picture of someone else's words instead of speaking your own, now that's pretty soulless too.
Not sure where else I could ask about this. This guy is selling an "image projector", Sony. He doesn't know the model, but it looks like it's working fine and is 50 inches. I don't really know much about these kinds of TVs; how are they for vidya and movies? They probably have input lag, but if the image quality is good, I could take it for $40.
>>12177679>Nordic furniture design>Nordic tv designLike two peas in a pod.
>>12178314Could be a rear projection telly but it does look like a plasma screen
>>12178314i have a 37 inch Sony LCD i use just mostly for regular TV viewing or using a TV box, but sometimes use it to play games. These mid 2000's TVs are in fact better for retrogaming than LED/OLEDs because their lower screen resolution which causes much less image deformation, and also they have a lot of native analog inputs, so you can directly s-video/component/vga on them. The down side is that you need to use good quality inputs, because these TVs look like ass using composite. Also forget using anything above 1080p. And of course you cant hang them at the wall because they weight a lot.
>>12178323>>12178327I guess that's the thing; is the TV an LCD, a Plasma, a rear projection screen, etc? The problem with these Facebook Marketplace posts is that it's full of people who either have no idea, or call any and all flat TVs "plasma" even tho they're not.
>>12178327>And of course you cant hang them at the wall because they weight a lot.wut? We always mounted our plasmas that weighed like 200 pounds back in the early 2000s. Just make sure the mount is rated for the weight
>>12178314it's hard to say without seeing the model number but it likely has really bad viewing angles. You need to see perfectly in front of it at eye level to get the best picture on most project type TVs. If everything is setup right, the room is dim, and the TV isn't too worn out these can look pretty great. In my experience older TVs like that have good scaling for 480i/480p content which was the expected TV format of the time.
>>12178331Yeah you can get lucky when someone hasn't a clue but the seller is a retard for not having the ability to look at the back of the screen and look at the model number. I'm assuming that's a plasma screen, it looks like one, especially with those side speakers and the size would make sense
>>12178327I used to mount plasma screens as a job so yes you can, just usually on solid brick walls, not plasterboard
A longshot, but does anybody know of decent drop in replacement speakers for the Sony KV1380R? The foam is rotted out on both of mine, and I'd just as soon buy replacements as trying to repair them.
>>12178631Do they still work as speakers? You could just get some replacement foam to stick on. Chances are that the replacement speakers you buy will have rotting crusty foam too, due to age
>>12178395>plasterboardYou secure it to the studs why do you think you need brick?
>>12178641Yeah they still function, just with fairly poor overall sound quality and no bass. I see foam replacement kits, but chances are I'd fuck something up and would be better off just buying replacements right off the bat.
I usually disable the speakers in the service menu or plug them out and use external speakers.>this is why i prefer mono sets because they take up less space
>>12178886Speakers aren't too hard to recone, as long as you are careful I'm sure you'd be okay. Worst case you'd just have to use an external audio source
should i:>play god of war or>san andreasor>boot up my Animal Crossing gamecube save and spend 30 mins picking all the weeds
>>12179410You should boot up that wii and play warioware shove it up yo ass game
>>12179543why are her knees so low
>>12179959Japanese bow legs
>>12179597kek he needs to get a ps triple
>>12179410san andreas
>tfw I just plugged the Super Famicom I boughted to my European crt and the image is black and whiteIt's truly over.What do I do now? Do I really have to buy a new crt? How do I even know if it will be compatible with ntsc?But this is strange because the 60hz games on gamecube work just fine...(I tried it on my plasma and it worked fine so I know it's the tv and not the console)
europoors kek
>>12183175>But this is strange because the 60hz games on gamecube work just fine...PAL60 =/= NTSC
>>12183193Goddamn, it's a late Philips, I thought it would support ntsc.What do I do now? I already bought A Link to the Past American and Super Metroid Jap.
>>12183264get a real american tv
>>12183421In Europe? It's a miracle if I can find a European crt.And then I would have the inverse problem, I wouldn't be able to use pal consoles.
>>12183430just use a regular modern tv then.CRT's really aren't worth all this trouble despite the gaslighting online. If you've got one that works, it's nice and nostalgic, but its not really a profound difference over a decent converter and a good modern tv
>However, support for NTSC is not universal and depends on the specific model. Some CRTs may only support NTSC through RGB or SCART connections, while composite or S-video inputs might not decode NTSC color properly, resulting in a black-and-white image even if the 60 Hz signal is receivedIt's not over yet!I'll get myself the RGB cable I wanted to get anyway and test it out.>>12183479It already works on my plasma but I don want to use it. My plasma is better than most modern tvs.
>>12183482RGB 60hz is not NTSC.
>>12183541What is your point? My point is that my tv still has the chance to work using RGB.>For the best results with NTSC consoles like the NES, SNES, or N64, using an RGB SCART cable is recommended, as it bypasses the need for NTSC color decoding and ensures a full-color, 60 Hz display on compatible CRTs
damn am I glad i grew up in america and didnt have to deal with 50hz games and tvs
>>12183175Just get an RGB SCART cable and enjoy better color and clarity than the amerilard shitters have ever had chance to see in their lives. Japanese consoles + European TVs is the best combo you can get not counting PVMs.
cope yuroturd
>>12183839That's my plan, brother. I wa going to get it either way.
>>12166859Where can I find one for a 17'' and maybe 22'' too?
>>12183557Be sure to get a SuperFamicom/US Super Nintendo wired RGB cable and not a PAL SNES one since they are not wired the same.
>>12185126I'm getting the universal nintendo cable by retrogamingcables, works with both pal and ntsc.It's cheaper than getting cables for the snes, sfc, gamecube... and possibly n64 if I ever mod it for rgb.
