In 1998, was OOT viewed as a children's game like Mario or did it have a teenage/PS1 appeal?
>>12176914OOT was seen as a teenagers game, whereas WW was seen as a game for babies and fags. The LameCube really was a step down for all mainline Nintendo franchises.
in 1998 we were all too busy playing our based psx games to give a shit about the n64
>>12176914people just saw a weird green kid screaming in some ugly forest in a slow easy game teens were playing tekken,ff7,tony hawk, resident evil, mgs, gran tourism, sotnTo the point where oot not only looked generic and dull but a bit gay too. I knew some who thought the n64 was weaker than a snes because it's games were uglyI'm not saying this in a shitposter way but that's my observations and memories
>>12176914Well we were children back then, but it was like DBZ
>>12176914It was viewed as a game everyone could play and enjoy. Me and my 8 year old friends loved it, my late high school aged brother and his friends loved it, my mom and dad loved it... No one really had any age-related judgements to level at it, everyone just universally thought it was excellent at every age range.
>>12176914It was seen as the same as Mario 64, revolutionary but inoffensive.
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no one played or liked OOT. everyone in 1998 were playing cool, mature games for sophisticated adults. I know because I was totally there and can give you my first hand account. to this day, no one has ever played, much less enjoyed a nintendo game.
>>12176914It was lord of dem rangz for huwhite children.
>>12176914It's a game for ten year olds who pretend they're 17
>>12176914Teenage/PS1 appeal.
>>12176914I disagree with the premise that Super Mario 64 was a "children's game". It was enjoyed by all ages.
>>12176914A game for kids, obviously
>>12177157>inoffensive.The original launch version of OoT has a few eyebrow raising events in the game.-scantily clad and suggestive great fairy-various pagan symbols a conservative christian household might not be fond of-doubly so for the depiction of goddesses and the creation of hyrule-shadow temple-bottom of the well-ganon coughing up blood-fire temple chanting in arabic, Islamic imageryIt's no Doom or Mortal Kombat, but I didn't go around reminding my Christian parents that I was playing a game with this type of content.
>>12177270Nobody at any point found any of these objectionable, and it's only due to internet gossip and fanfiction that they are considered to be noteworthy.
>>12176914Definitely more of a teenager appeal but kids played it tooThis was 1998 after all
>>12177301>Definitely more of a teenager appeal but kids played it too>This was 1998 after allTeens played half life, fallout, metal gear solid, baldurs gate, resident evil, starcraftUnless they were coddled by some nutcase mom raising a daughter
for kids, obviously. but more like, 10-year-olds than 8-year-olds. i thought it was this complex "older kids" game like Final Fantasy.did the Japanese release have that notation where it spells out the kanji? i feel like that concretely dispels any revisionism.
>>12176914Neither Zelda nor Mario have ever been viewed as "children's games" where I'm from, just games that everyone could enjoy.
>>12177312but they're children's games, mate. i can read The Hobbit and Harry Potter, i like them. they're children's books though, aren't they? even if "adults can enjoy them" or even the ol' "there's ______ for the adults!" (e.g. some risque joke somewhere).this is why i call it revisionism, because under-30s have grown up with this stuff. Tetris is an "everyone" game. Zelda is for kids.
>>12177316children's books are shit like "everybody poops" or "the hungry caterpillar"things that have mass appeal are not "children's books/toys" i.e. intended only for children, just because they're written so that children can also enjoy them.this is why I call you a shitposting faggot, because calling these things "for children" is purposefully dishonest and demeaning to the all-ages audience that you well know enjoys them
>>12177323i'm not trying to belittle anyone anon. obviously there are tiers from The Very Hungry Caterpillar up to The Hobbit. someone might ask why YOU draw a line, the Peter Rabbit books are cute and have great illustrations, surely anyone can enjoy them?i enjoyed Mario and Zelda as a kid. from 12-20 or so i was too embarrassed to play children's games. then i got back into them. pretty normal.
>>12177272anon my brother literally refused to watch monster inc because he said "that's how real life demon possessed you in the closet bro" No idea where he picked up that idea from
>>12177326You were possessed by a real life demon in a closet, Rajeesh?
>>12177325things certainly aren't "for children" just because you personally felt peer pressured to claim you didn't like them as a teenager. my friends and I were playing smash bros and mario kart/party and talking about zelda etc in high school and college and having a blast.here's a simple question you can ask yourself to determine if something is made for children: "Did the creators of this thing state or advertise that it's exclusively for children?" If the answer isn't "Yes" then it's not a "children's toy". Don't think too hard about it.
>>12177308>did the Japanese release have that notation where it spells out the kanji?It didn't have furigana. That doesn't tell us much, however, as furigana was not common in 90s video games. A much clearer indicator of the game's target demo is the choice of kanji. By that metric, your estimate of ~10 is pretty much on point. Skimming through the script, the overwhelming majority of kanji are the sort you'd learn in elementary school. There are some kanji that aren't formally taught until middle/high school, but that kids of any age who play fantasy games would like be familiar with (魔, 妖, and 巨 are some examples I found). But overwhelmingly, yeah, stuff you'd have been taught by sixth grade.
>>12177307believe it or not some teens in the 90s werent pc virgins like you and your friends
>>12177316literally every video game is made for children. especially in the 90s.
>>12177347literally every shitpost is made by an lgbtqp or an indian. especially in the 2020s.
>>12177342>>12177326>>12177325>>12177323>>12177316The not peer pressured pussy is right, God why are there so many insecure retards here?I was playing Mario and Crash while also playing the likes of Mortal Kombat and GTA because those were GOOD GAMES and I would be a retard if I didn't play good games because some retarded kid didn't like them, it's almost like I can think for myself instead of being a npc.>>12177307>Baldur's gate>FalloutLol no, the only rpg pc fags were playing was Diablo 2, none of that nerd shit you mentioned.
OoT fanboy slowly realizing he's been obsessing over a children's game the whole timeGive him time to cope, lads
>>12177326Tell your brother I said that nobody should tell him a handicap can't change the world, but for you I'll say you're a stupid ass hole.
>>12176914I think it was seen as a kid's game, but one that a lot of older people still played anyway. There were definitely people who'd pass over it for being too "kiddy", but there were also more than enough people who liked it that it became one of the most acclaimed games of its time.Something being seen as "for kids" doesn't automatically preclude other audiences from enjoying it. People used to love Disney films before they started ruining Star Wars and Marvel.
>>12177270>-scantily clad and suggestive great fairyMy mom did raise an eyebrow at this, but it wasn't enough for her to stop us from playing the game. I wouldn't say it was considered OFFENSIVE.>-various pagan symbols a conservative christian household might not be fond of>-doubly so for the depiction of goddesses and the creation of hyruleLiterally no one actually noticed or cared. I had friends who couldn't play Pokemon because their parents literally considered it Satanic, but they were still allowed to play OoT with no issue.>-shadow temple>-bottom of the wellPretty much the same as above. No one was offended by the spooky parts of the game being spooky.>-ganon coughing up bloodIt was such an absolute non-issue that I didn't even think about it until after I learned that it was censored later, which everyone universally agreed was retarded and unnecessary.>-fire temple chanting in arabic, Islamic imageryAgain, NOT A SINGLE PERSON noticed or cared. In 1998, no one knew shit about Muslims or their imagery or their chants or whatever else. Even the most hardcore of Christian households had no concerns over Islamic shit because no one knew any Muslims or anything about Islam whatsoever.
>>12176914OOT originally shipped with a blood version, had deep cinematic commercials and out of the gate was already being called the greatest game of all time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY4I31YpVqk
>>12176914it was viewed as a fantastic game is you had a soul
>>12176914gaming in general was for kids AND teens. the oldest gamers were in college by then, tops. some of the older crowd appreciated the technological progression, but others preferred to experience it through stuff like star wars or goldeneye. all kids and teens liked it. some never grew up passed it, sadly.
>>12177810This. It was viewed as a hellacool Mediaeval Anime dungeon-crawler. Basically Akira mixed with something Harry Potter or something, it wasn't the cutesy snes bullshit at all. It was fashionable without having a cheesy anachronistic steampunk feel like Dark Cloud 2, it seemed like they got something very grounded and highly cinematic. Even if they were blown away by Shenmue a year later the gameplay in Zelda 64 is much more in-depth. Miyamoto scaled back the combat to appeal to kiddos but the more complex dungeons probably alienated under-12s (and rightfully so). Following Zeld 64 and Majora's Mask, they veered hard into pokemon tardbait and now they're basically a funko pop company.
>>12176925fpbp
Isn't it depressing that we have zoomers asking these kind of questions now?
>>12178002Dumb larper
They literally made Twilight Princess more teen themed because people wanted more OoT and MM instead of Kid Waker.
>>12176914Yeah, it was marketed towards teenagers/young adults. Everybody grew up with Zelda on NES or SNES anyway.
>>12176914idk anon, in 1998 i was only 10 years old and I played this game, so you tell me. Granted I didn't get the big gorrons sword without a guide, but I was able to get it with a gamefaq guide that i printed out from radio shack.
>>12177307I don't think you went out much as a teenager The average teenager in the late 90s were playing the console gamesPC nerds in the 90s were a small minority that are more like exactly what you described there and the ones that were young PC playing teenagers were an even smaller niche.
>>12177307Playstation games were definitely the main teenager console with N64 still being popularPC games like Baldur's Gate and Fallout? Unless you had a parent or older sibling that knew that stuff its very unlikely you were playing those games as a teenager in the 90sunless you were coddled by some nutcase mother of course
>>12178380>one of the only honest replies in the thread>"dumb larper"so sorry i didnt post some bullshit meme response or an ai generated one.
>>12176914It was viewed as a tranny game
All video games are for children.
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>>12177362i think it's more impressive to be insecure and then outgrow it, than it is to have never ever been like that. you were lucky, i guess? most teenagers are awkward and care about what people think of them.
>>12176914It's simply the best game ever made
“PS1 Appeal”? People liked Zelda. It wasn’t seen as really “edgy” or dark or anything. Soul Reaver or Shadowman is more up that alley. Kingsley’s Adventure is more whimsical. Alundra is in the same area as Zelda maybe a bit less dark and edgy. So the Playstation has good games on either side of it in tone. But OOT is the best 3d action rpg of that generation, so good it makes people all weird and ask about its “PS1 Appeal”“Teenage Appeal” is kind of made up nonsense too. People have different tastes at all ages, and sometimes from day to day. Tony Hawk had teenage appeal to me. Some people preferred Conker’s Bad Fur Day. Teenagers are not a monolith. “PS1 Appeal” is even dumber. I think the PS1’s strength was it variety and versatility, not just edgy, dark games. I mean think of all the colorful, japanese shmups that are definitely for adults in terms of difficulty on the system.I would even push back that Mario is totally for children. It’s more like a cartoon like Road Runner, bugs bunny etc. A simple endeavor that can appeal to all ages. Surely a parent and their kid can play any of the classic Mario games and have fun. It’s not like a kid turns 13 and can only consume Resident Evil, CoD, Mortal Kombat, Doom and GTA. Parts of Zelda had mild horror elements and dark fantasy. OOT is not that different in tone to Peter Jackson Lord of the Rings movies. From whimsical fantasy to dark fantasy.
>>12176914It was seen as vaporware for a non-existent console.
>>12177776>In 1998, no one knew shit about Muslims or their imagery or their chants or whatever else.There were a handful of black people who converted to Islam during and after the 60s (Muhammad Ali being the most notable example), so at least some people who played OOT thought it looked/sounded familiar.
>>12177270Ly the Fae having a bodysuit the same color as her skin in Rayman 2 was far more noticeable than any of these.Not to mention the literal river of corpses level in that game.
>>12183269Still, in terms of religious things to watch out for or be offended by in media in the satanic panic sense, Islam was not remotely on anyone's radar until after 9/11.
>>12182449I don't think there were many adults obsessed with Mario in 1996. Maybe there were some, but it's nothing like today.
>>12176914I knew grown men who worked for my dad who played OoT in the late 90s
>>12176942>teens were playing tekken,ff7,tony hawk, resident evil, mgs, gran tourism, sotnThis, fpwp.Tons of PC games also. Thief: The Dark Project came out a couple of weeks after OOT.>>12176925That the visual design of Wind Waker is for literal toddlers doesn't make OOT for teens. It's for children to preteen just like all the preceding Zeldas. (Though the NES Zeldas have some difficulty appeal).>>12177157Mario 64 was seen as an "all-ages" game.OOT was seen as a childrens' game.Mario 64 was seen by most, despite its shortcomings, as infinitely more revolutionary than OOT. People really forget just how LATE Ocarina of Time was released in the console cycle. It was the very end of 1998. OOT was impressive for sure, foreshadowing what lots of 6th gen console games would be like when the tech was actually ready for it. But it released into a crowded market of many other innovative, high-quality games.OOT is really the point when it became clear how divorced the Nintendo audience had become from everyone else.
>>12183564You are correct>>12182449>“Teenage Appeal” is kind of made up nonsense too.Not in the slightest.Yes, everyone """CAN""" play and enjoy any kind of game. I am in my 40s and play games with my kids all the time. I play kids' games from my childhood for nostalgia and so on.But you have to be in complete denial of reality (common in the postmodern world, unfortunately) to fail to see the difference between Zelda and Metal Gear Solid or Thief: The Dark Project. Final Fantasy VII is for teenagers. Zelda is for children. Anyone can play them, but they still have a core audience and OOT's sweet spot is around 8-12 while FFVII is maybe 12-18.
>>12183850>Mario 64 was seen as an "all-ages" game.>OOT was seen as a childrens' game.How in the actual fuck do you look at these two games and think Mario 64 is the more mature one, lol
>>12177776By your logic, almost no video games are "objectionable". Can you name any other than like the Doom controversy or Mortal Kombat?
>>12176914In the 90s, people weren't concerned with video games being "childish" or "immature". This was purely an early 2000s shift, coinciding with "le mature games for mature gamers" era.
>>12177047this. as a kid i ultimately viewed zelda through the same lense as i viewed anime, JRPGs and other weebshit.i even used to do zelda fan art and fanfiction as a kid. unfortunately none of it was ever posted online for posterity as i didn't have access to (or was aware of) platforms where i could post it at the time.
>>12176925The young teens who played OOT stuck with the series through WW and grew up to be women.
>>12176914You can always find some faggots to this day who never grew out of their console war phase and never stopped obsessing over Zelda being for children because he's a green fairy boy or some shit. They're probably posting here. But in general anyone who played OoT liked it.
>>12184182Anyway what's up with all these threads with kids (or niggers as I like to call them) asking what things used to be like, this board is for 30+ people only, understand? Because if you don't, I'm going to make child labor legal again.
>>12183880>By your logicIt has nothing to do with "logic." I'm recalling my own memories of that time and explaining them to you. That's the difference between you and me: You're looking at a list of potentially objectionable things and trying to logically guess what people would have thought before you were born, but I lived it and can just tell you what people thought.>Can you name any other than like the Doom controversy or Mortal Kombat?I named Pokemon right in my post, that was a big one. Sex scenes in Mass Effect were another big (non-retro) controversy. Other than that, it was always been a minority of religious fundamentalists who largely had problems with any games, and it rarely made national headlines. It was just some parents telling their kids they can't play this or that game. Ocarina of Time was not one of those games.
>>12183880>>12184535Oh, and of course, when GTA went 3D and got popular that was another huge controversy that was all over the place.
>>12183862I didn't say it was more mature. Said it was all-ages.The difference is that Mario 64 is primarily a low-investment action game while OOT is an "immersive world" full of story cutscenes and NPCs and little baby tier puzzles. You turn on Mario and after like a 30 second intro with Lakitu to establish the camera you're off running and jumping around the castle. You can enjoy Mario 64 for 15 minutes or a few hours. Sure, you maybe shouldn't play bing bing wahoo on an airplane with the sound up without feeling shame but you can play it on Saturday morning with your kids and have a lot of fun.With OOT you have to engage with the dialog and the world-building. You have to commit to the world and its story in a way you don't with Mario 64 (or, frankly, even previous Zelda games). If you're looking for a high-investment, immersive game to commit to, the childlike elements of OOT are more relevant (and off-putting), when compared to alternatives.
>>12184537>>12184535I'll give you GTA but Mass Effect sex scenes were never really controversial, and the only people that banged a drum about Pokemon were extremely religious folk. In Saudi Arabia for example it got a lot of hate and misinfo about names and meanings. I'm guessing you grew up in a Mormon state or something.>You're looking at a list of potentially objectionable things and trying to logically guess what people would have thought before you were born, but I lived it and can just tell you what people thought.If that were the case, you'd concede that OoT removed the Zoroastrian chanting because of controversy in which Muslims thought it was Muslim chanting. You're not being objective. You're being selective.
>>12176925Do you literally do anything other than seethe about the gamecube all day?
>>12184535>>12184537manhunt also had some sort of controversy didnt it? for being "too violent" or something, and it getting an M or AO rating or something, and/or getting pulled from shelves? i think action got taken pretty quickly, and it was a game with a more targeted audience, so i dont think it got that "big" or broad in the coverage, but it was definitely something that happened. i dont remember pokemon being much of a controversy other than "why are our children suddenly so obsessed with this? i dont get it" and then trying to construe it to be something nefarious.
>>12176914If you played on PC/PS1 it was generally unimpressive.
>>12177270Most American post I've seen, lmao.
>>12176914It was groundbreaking and most people can get past the lack of action during their first playthrough
>wasn't alive in 1998You must be at least 40 years old to post here, OP.
>>12184895>Zoroastrian chantingThis is the absolute first I've heard of this. Please explain what makes the chant Zoroastrian and not Muslim. What language is it in even?
>>12176914it was just a normal game from what I remember. even though N64 was far less popular than PS1, kids still had it and talked about OoT and Super Smash Bros. and stuff. Nintendo didn't really become cringe and kiddy until the GameCube.
>>12187630yeah, I've always heard that it was a Muslim chant in Arabic. maybe the confusion is because Zoroastrianism literally has fire templeshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_temple
>>12178667>The average teenager in the late 90s were playing the console gamesYeah, Tekken, Resident Evil, Goldeneye, Gran Turismo, and sports games (Madden, NBA live, etc)>PC nerds in the 90s were a small minority Not as small as you imagine. It's small compared to the total number of little kids playing Mario and Zelda but Half-Life and Starcraft had sales competitive with top 10 titles on the N64.
>>12183857I can see the difference in tone. But I would say Zelda is more for all ages, while Metal Gear Solid isn’t. Zelda OOT is a like a pg rated film. Metal Gear Solid is like an R rated film. That doesn’t mean OOT is for children. Adults see pg rated films for reasons other than their kids and nostalgia.
