>>12185297
>the new DKC returns

Not retro

Most people don't engage with a lot retro video games the way the game encourages them to, so it's hard to get any handle on what counts as difficult or not.

For example, I don't count any run of a Castlevania game in which you used the continue function as beating the game. Otherwise, your extra lives become near meaningless. The score function in the game becomes trivial, instead of an important method of generating more lives.

But hardly anyone plays Castlevania games this way, and so most people who have "beaten" Castlevania most likely used continues.

>>12185297
You guys play video games for difficulty's sake?

Most people aren't good at watching movies either, in fact most people aren't good at most things

>>12185320
to be fair, you have to have a really high IQ to watch movies good

>>12185314
the less-mature are so obsessed with difficulty that they forget the fact that they're playing a videogame to begin with

>>12185361
I play a video game to test my biological limits at making quick-witted decisions and to examine my neural pathways between manipulating what's happening on the screen and my hand-eye coordination.

playing vidya for fun is cool too tho.

>>12185393
As any physical sport does.
As long as it doesn't turn your hair pink and make you insane like OP and his nebulous enemies.

>>12185297
there is no new dkc returns, you mean dk bananza? doesn't seem anything like dkc from what i hear, more like a shittier wario land in 3d. unless you mean the switch port of dkc returns, which everyone already played on the wii (a retro system) so...

>>12185297
what's with the shit music in the video?
>Most of you aren't good at vidya
I know

>Half-assing a playthrough until you see the credits roll doesn't count as beating it, boomy.
What counts as beating the game is doing it with the standard difficulty (if there's a difficulty choice) and with standard number of lives/continues (it's usually something like 3 lives and 3 continues in a lot of games, can usually be bumped to 5/5 and I consider that not really beating the game)
You also can't use save states obviously, not even for practicing

Example of real gamer: just start the game and keeps playing until he beats it, usually with on normal and with 3 lives/continues
Example of "hardcore" loser: practices the game with save states a lot, then one day "beats" the game on hard without dying.
To the casual observer the second guy is better, but the first one has the real soul for gaming.
Also note that the second path is very dangerous, for if you use cheating methods to practice a game before beating it, that game will be forever impossible to beat legit for you EVER again, because you'll forever have the memory of the practice in your brain. So unless you have really bad memory or use one of those MIB memory erasers, the game will be forever ruined for you.

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>>12185297
>screenshot from 2021
The difficulty drop between NES and SNES in single-player genres has been well known and is part of the greater trend that began as home consoles displaced arcades.

All the young teenage boys who cared about difficulty hand-eye coordination gravitated toward fighting games like Street Fighter II, a PvP genre that effectively did not exist on the NES but exploded during the 90s.

>>12185297
great thread thanks

>>12185297
That's very brave and all that you finally came out to your parents or whatever, but can you Pistol Start every single level in Final Doom on Ultraviolence? No saves?
How about on Nightmare? I'd say that's pretty hard.

>>12185361
What if I want a bit of a challenge? What if I think it's fun to overcome some difficulty?

>>12185297
I've got news for you kiddo. The faggot having a meltdown in that pic is your age, not a boomer.

>>12185348
its true though

>>12185485
>What if I want a bit of a challenge?
That's fine. It's not a choice between one or the other. Some people treat it as a religion.

>>12185485
Didn't some level in Doom/Doom2 take 25+ years to be beaten pistol start on Nightmare and to this day like 3 people or so have done it?

>>12185393
>I play a video game to test my biological limits at making quick-witted decisions and to examine my neural pathways between manipulating what's happening on the screen and my hand-eye coordination.
Fair enough, but some dudes muscle memorize games like they're training for the olympics and expect others to be impressed

"I beat sm64 with 0.5 button presses"
Well damn kid you have a lot of time on your hands

>>12185651
That's a bit of a surface level ignorant assessment. And if you're going to be this explicit just say the name pannenkoek. You're being dishonest either way as his videos are more of a dive into computer science game logic and physics than challenge runs that "expect others to be impressed"

>>12185651
>Well damn kid you have a lot of time on your hands
It's called a hobby

>>12185297
>somebody posted something on plebbit
>MUST be true
>somebody posted a video of some zoomer with too much time on their hands
>GIT GUD BOOMIES (who are 75yrs old on average and have seldom, if ever, played vidya)
You're talking about an individual who may, or may not exist, and is certainly not representative of everyone over 40. Tell you what, Find some server that'll allow me to play Mario Kart 7 online and I'll make sure those cunts leave early, embittered and with crippling cramp. You are WEAK.

>>12185664
>And if you're going to be this explicit just say the name pannenkoek. You're being dishonest either way as his videos are more of a dive into computer science game logic and physics than challenge runs that "expect others to be impressed"
I don't know anything but the video I glimpsed at years ago. Maybe it was disrespectful of me to bring it out as an example

>>12185696
did you also train with the fastest kart setup and metal mario? back in my day i was retarded and picked that instead of a more balanced build and sucked major ass (especially at snes rainbow road) until i got pretty gud. didn't even know until recently that you can drive offroad the same as onroad with a certain setup involving the red monster truck wheels.

>>12185297
yeah but are you having fun

difficult games can be fun. if i like a game i'll play it on harder difficulties. a lot of hard games just aren't fun.

>>12185297
>complaining about 16-bit RPGs being a step down
That's definitely a left field opinion. 8-bit RPGs - especially FF and Mother - strike me as difficult for all the wrong reasons. Really archaic and grind-heavy and, in the case of Mother, with an obnoxious amount of random encounters.

I can play Atari for hours but I could just never get into 8-bit RPGs no matter how much I forced myself to play them. The only one I like is Legacy of the Wizard, which is arguably more difficult than FF/Mother/DQ but is difficult for all the right reasons.

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>>12185485
>singleplayer FPS "challenges"
Lol. Talk to me when you can routinely do this against experienced TF2 vets with 3,000+ hours of playtime.

>>12185909
>TF2
is also a retro game, retard-kun. vets tend to stick with the retro setup as well, that being stock (except melee weaponry).

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>>12185297
>Also doing all the optional content in the new DKC returns games is harder than Ninja Gaiden, Contra and Castlevania combined BTW.
Eh. I did a lot of those levels on my first or second try, Castlevania III is way harder overall.

But it doesn't matter. Every generation has people who play harder games and people who prefer easier ones. Every gen has hard options to play. As a boomer I'd say younger gamers are better than every nowadays - way more resources for getting good and better competition.

Funny how people have been complaining about newer games being easier since the start practically.

>>12185953
Like even for single player games, including retro ones, it's mostly young people doing crazy shit.

>>12185956
Okay.

>>12186016
Glad you agree

>>12185297
Shut up and go do your homework, brat

>>12185314
They play it for that reason because they are sexless permavirgins and have no real accomplishments to show for it.
>>12185669
It's not a hobby, it's soma for babies.

>>12185297
I don't get it. Am I supposed to play the same game for hundreds of hours? I usually try to get the maximum available content during my first playthrough, but I don't go out of my way to do some specific steps if they are required. And I can't play the same game for more than 80 hours (maybe 100 hours top) since the gameplay loop is the same after you've spent dozens of hours with the game.

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>>12185297
If difficulty was really the key to enjoyment of retro styled games, people would only be playing "lol so difficult" meme games.

>>12185416
>nebulous enemies
Nebulous? My enemies are readily apparent. This board is rife with boomers calling every game the easiest thing ever even though the boomers in question are mediocre themselves and only engage with the game at its bare minimum until the credits roll. That, or they purposely act disingenuous and fail to mention the amount of playtime they've put themselves until the challenge is trivial. I am fighting for the rest of us who can conquer a challenge in a video game, and acknowledge it for the challenge it is, rather than minimizing it and chastising others who are struggling to beat said challenge. I am uplifting my gaming brothers, casual or not, and so I must fight a deluded ego with an ever bigger ego, but with evidence. Evidence alone silences these ghouls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR5tno8FsmA

I'm a zoomer and I'm good at video games.
At least stuff like Minecraft and Fortnite, can't beat Super Mario Bros

>>12187223
if you can speedbridge in minecraft pvp you are unironically better at video games than the median senile /vr/ retard

>>12187234
I'd argue the average zoomer / gen alpha is far better than the boomy is at video games by virtue of multiplayer games being much more complex than random meme hard NES games that realistically only take like 5-10 hours to fully master. A zoomy winning a battle royal in fortnite is already leagues ahead of the average demented /vr/ slob. Not sure where boomers get their superiority complex from. Do they seriously think beating Castlevania holds any actual merit? lol.

>>12187262
there's a weird cultural overcorrection to MLG asswankery where normgroids violently seethe over any clip of an FPS player who spent any time in kovaak's and demand kusoge handicaps to beat them because they're not FILTHY TRYHARDS and are JUST PLAYING FOR FUN. /vr/ hates speedrunners on top of that

>>12187262
You're beyond delusional if you think the average person is good at video games. Fortnite and similar titles are skin collecting sims to them.

>>12187274
>they're not FILTHY TRYHARDS and are JUST PLAYING FOR FUN
On that same token they will revere themselves for being good at games but disparage anybody who has actually taken the time to master games and its systems far beyond just seeing the credits roll. So speedrunners and score chasers and ROMhack players and multiplayer champions are just fucking cringe tryhard troons who need to get a life bro!? It's ego defensive mechanism at it's rawest. You'd think these slobs would outgrow that but, well.. they're still bickering about console wars in their 30s and 40s.

>>12185314
Figuring out how to overcome a challenge is fun. Why do you think puzzles and brain games are so popular?
As long as the challenge isn't getting lucky or throwing yourself at something until it goes away, most "difficulty" really is just solving an execution-based puzzle.

>>12187308
Speedrunning is just sad, especially in almost 2026.

>>12187325
know what's even sadder? seething over the way someone derives enjoyment from a game. beating something on the highest difficulty/getting the highest score is more inherently valid than beating something in the shortest time possible.

>>12187234
>>12187262
Based. Minecraft is unironically the first video game ever made. Anything before was just video game development practice

>>12187483
i prefer wurm but yes

>>12187479
is no* more

>>12187520
For most games, speedrunning is them subverting the game's mechanics as much as humanly possible, to the point that they might as well not even be playing the game anymore. They're essentially just memorizing glitch exhibition routines and not even playing the video game.

>>12187547
>They're essentially just memorizing glitch exhibition routines and not even playing the video game.
This is also true of online pvp meta

>>12187547
>speedrunning is them subverting the game's mechanics as much as humanly possible
You're being disingenuous and completely omitting games that have few if no glitches, and also omitting glitchless runs altogether. You're shielding yourself from acknowledging you're not good at vidya. It's okay to not be good, but why subtly try to diminish other people for being good?

>>12187547
>They're essentially just memorizing glitch exhibition routines
yes and? it's no different than finding the most optimal path to get the highest score.

you're just going through ridiculous mental gymnastics to explain why it doesn't count.

>>12187209
>This board is rife with boomers calling every game the easiest thing ever even though the boomers in question are mediocre themselves
...And you feel attacked by this, somehow?

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>>12187550
>make a game full of unintended glitches and it becomes a technically demanding online game
>make a sequel that fixes the glitches and no one remembers it

>>12187552
>completely omitting games that have few if no glitches
These are few and far between, hence "most". Once you get to the 3D era, especially.
>omitting glitchless runs altogether
I respect these, but any% is far and away the face of speedrunning as a whole, and what gets viewed and promoted the most.
>You're shielding yourself from acknowledging you're not good at vidya.
The skill of pause buffering a frame-perfect input to glitch out of bounds and perform some autistic ritual to avoid triggering a loading zone and run through the collision to trick the game into loading the credits instead of the next area is not a skill I am interested in pursuing. I am interested in playing the video game.
>why subtly try to diminish other people for being good?
I'm not being subtle, and being good at performing arbitrary tricks and glitches is not the same as being good at the game's mechanics. As far as challenge runs go, unrestricted/glitched speedruns are probably the least interesting to me.

>>12187547
developer intentions are worth nothing and are cope for retards who don't play games but have a vidya hyperfixation and have to obsessively discuss them. do you feel like you're playing solitaire wrong when you can't ask people who first came up with rearranging cards as a passtime what it's *supposed* to be?

>>12187568
>...And you feel attacked by this, somehow?
Yes, it's called values and convictions.

>>12187578
>do you feel like you're playing solitaire wrong
Yes. I need detailed instructions written by original developers of the game where they specify what their intentions were and whether further changes follow those intentions and are hence permitted.

>>12187581
>Yes, it's called being a coping butthurt projecting no skill little zoomer faggot.
ftfyzz

>>12187479
Speed running is for trannies.

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>>12187308
>So speedrunners and score chasers and ROMhack players and multiplayer champions are just fucking cringe tryhard troons who need to get a life bro!?
Yes.

>>12187479
Nah man they're right. You sound ignorant of what its become and for the record im 20.

>>12188252
video games are for children

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>makes the racing game think i'm in first place by falling off to the side

>>12188276
Yes, trannies have arrested development which is why they play pretend.

>>12188301
so you're a child too, got it.

>>12187262
Gen X here. Bring your entire faggot zoom squad to Chernarus and I will wipe the floor with you.

>>12185297
>optional difficult shit
only autists are going to spend another 50 hours grinding levels and reading guides to find secrets only accessible via said guides in order to kill your "secret boss" (which can probably just be one-shot using some exploit anyways)

>I beat a challenge design to be beaten by children (I'm good at video games)
at least play a game with a competitive leaderboard lol

>>12189040
>at least play a game with a competitive leaderboard lol
Pretty sure DKC tropical freeze has this. Returns got shut down a while ago but the time OP got is within top 20 range. Bretty gud.

>>12185909
That's a no, then. I'd say that you tried, but in actuality, you didn't. Not very hardcore of you.

>>12185297
Finish the hobbit text adventure and zork without using an internet search engine and post again when you have kid.

>>12187308
You think that stupid noise doesn't come from zoomer kids too? I have kids getting fucking indignant and redfaced when I have the sheer gall fo suggest that, maybe the yellow paint meme is actually an awkward crutch, and kind of a sign of bad and weak game design.
>NO, I'M JUST PLAYING GAMES TO HAVE FUN, I'M NOT A TRYHARD SWEAT LIKE YOU!
Shit like that is why I treasure the kids who can understand and actually enjoy a challenge like Final Doom (which barring Nightmare, isn't brutally hard), or who have the basic attention span to actually engage with a game like Morrowind (a game which isn't even hard or complex).

Finally, while I'm certainly annoyed myself at the attitude some have against speedrunning as just a concept, all of that shit doesn't just come from nowhere either. Figuring out how to do arbitrary code execution so you can skip to the end credits may be technically impressive in a certain way, but what the vast majority of people see is someone who practically entered a cheat code so as to not actually play the game in any capacity, which then doesn't look hardcore or high skill, it looks extremely lame. Combine things like that getting media attention with the troon infestation of AGDQ, and it's no wonder some people have the attitude they have.
Again, this stupid noise is plentiful with zoomer kids.

>>12185297
>DKC returns
This game is unironically harder than Dark Souls but everyone was calling Wii a kiddy casual console while also bringing up DaS as an example of a super hard game for real gamers, I find this to be pretty funny

>>12189771
>>DKC returns
>This game is unironically harder than Dark Souls
Really? I beat it with my gf and I don't think it's as hard as dark souls.

>>12189776
I think it's way harder if you go for the bonus levels but the base game is probably a tad bit easier

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>>12189771
>harder than Dark Souls
Dark Souls isn't that hard.

>>12189796
Replace "that" with "at all" and you will be correct.

>play co-op game with friend
>he starts using the op dlc weapons that are unlocked from the start while i try to experience the progression system of earning gold and unlocking better weapons (that are still worse than the dlc weapons)
i hate the scrub/challenge-seeker divide, but it's not really a boomer/zoomer exclusive thing. some people just wanna win for free and don't think to challenge themselves

>>12189796
>Dark Souls isn't that hard
>>12189818
>Replace "that" with "at all" and you will be correct.
Sigh these modern devs, not even trying to optimize

>>12189771
>>DKC returns
>This game is unironically harder than Dark Souls
I'd rather play dark souls. No fucking contest. Jank for timed button tapping is jank for timed button tapping and even worse it's brandslop. If you want hard games go and try some of the ones written before people became tards, try jet set willy.

>>12189758
>speedrunning
I think it's great the neurodivergent have something repetitive and inane to fixate on that gives them happiness better than smashing all the ojects in the room that are the wrong or going full chrischan on an elderly carer. Horray for speedrunning having a social purpose.

>>12185485
>What if I think it's fun to overcome some difficulty?
there's better hobbies for that lol

/vr/ hates retro achivements but then creates a hundred arbitrary rules for finishing a game

>>12190018
It's the difference between
>I just booted up this game, I feel like not using more than one continue this time around might be a fun goal
vs
>I just booted up this game, let me check this list for which goal someone else wants me to attempt so I can get my fake internet points

>>12189776
I have a feeling neither you or your gf were playing like OP did in his video, something that's required for the post-completion.