>right: wins the race by being a better game, quietly goes into sunset and history books>left: loses, continues being sore about it, becoming sand in every asshole for 20+ years after
>>12202103Quake III had much smoother movement and better gunplay but UT was impressive for the sheer amount of weapons and modifiers. It was jankier but more fun.
>>12202103Both series are great, sorry friend.
>>12202103Yeah, bitch. Every zoom zoom nowadays plays the Fortnite cancer anyway
aimslop
>>12202103The voiced bot chatter in UT made it feel more alive
>>12202120smooth movement and responsiveness always wins the heart of a gamer
>quake playerssorry i'd rather play chaos ut
>>12202103Epic still make the preeminant multiplayer shooter, quake is a dead franchise and ID only make singleplayer games now, the lineage of unreal tournament won.
>>12202103Quake is great but I always preferred Unreal.
>>12202171The lineage of Unreal Tournament leads to Fortnite, while Quake's connects to Half-Life, Medal of Honor, Team Fortress 2, and Call of Duty. Quake came out on top, leaving Unreal troons on suicide watch.
>>12202103Everyone ITT who didn't play both is a giant fucking poser
>>12202103>quietly goes into sunset and history booksEvidently not, given that this very thread exists
>>12202103Anything after UT 2k4 doesn't even count
ANYONE ELSE WANT SOME?
>>12202262This is disingenuous at best. While you're right on the Quake front you're leaving out the rest of Unreal's lineage which includes games like Deus Ex, Tribes, Brothers in Arms, Killing Floor, Bioshock and so on. Both were successful in their own right, the only losers were forgotten to time.
>>12202545>Unreal's lineage>Tribes
2004 was 20 years ago. The makers of UT pretend it doesn't exist. What are you talking about?
>>12202103I like both
UT maps make Quake look like it was from 70 years ago.
>>12202171Remember when iD licensed out the Quake engine? So many games were built with Quake 2 engine.
>20+ year old shit flinging contestIf you didn't play both you are a megafaggot.
>>12203027https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3Q2Tv6rMTs
>>12203279Sit down, kiddo.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA9kMO91CgI
>>12203282you sure owned me by showing a game from 6years after
>>12203296Maric's Quake 2 maps are from 2005.
>>12203303isn't it cool how quake 2 had noteworthy custom content being made well into 2008
id Software>Celebrates Quake each year with QuakeCon, a massive annual event so big that Bethesda heavily supports and expands it.>id acknowledges issues with Quake Champions (a hybrid of id Tech and Saber Interactive's engine, not pure id Tech) but keeps it free-to-play and updated on life support, including esports like Quake Pro League.>Keeps Quake Live playable and available for purchase on Steam (and formerly free for prior players), despite its age.>id gave away for free the remastered versions of Quake, Quake II, Doom, Doom II, Doom 3, and more, made by Nightdive, to anyone who owned the originals.>Allows purchase and play of all its games, including classics like Doom 64 (Quake 64 included in Quake) on GOG, Steam, and Microsoft Store.>Licenses id Tech selectively to capable studios (post-acquisition, limited internally to ZeniMax/Bethesda projects), avoiding resource drain on support.>id Software knows that the engine is the heart and soul of the game.Epic Gayms>Has no dedicated convention or events celebrating Unreal Tournament or its legacy>Work on the UT reboot was put on hold in 2018 to focus on Fortnite instead.>Sold Gears of War to Microsoft in 2014; original Epic titles unavailable on EGS.>Delisted nearly all old Unreal Tournament and Unreal games from Steam, GOG, and other stores in 2022 (servers shut down; a promised UT3 "X" revival quietly canceled).>Makes classic Epic games hard to access legally on major platforms; prioritizes Fortnite revenue over legacy preservation.>Licenses Unreal Engine broadly to any sector for revenue, bloating it into a general-purpose tool.Yes, Unreal Tournament came out on top, and its legacy far surpasses Quake's. The only studio that respects and continues to update their games like id Software is VALVe: Both are keeping Quake Champions and Team Fortress 2 on life support instead of shutting them down like Epic did with Unreal Tournament.
>>12203359quake engine-id tech 4 are open source and q1-enemy territory game code is open source
>>12203381You need a commercial license to publish your id Tech game, especially on consoles. On PC, you can experiment with it freely, but if you plan to release the game, you could either open source it or request a license from id Software and demonstrate your capability to handle it properly.
>>12203359Not retro
>>12203392the real consequence of it is that no ut game will ever have a hub.quakeworld.nu/qtv
>Right can still be bought, source code available because dev is cool>Left is no longer for sale because of retarded reasons no one can figure out, source code not available because the dev is a bitter asshole
>>12203410Because you just fucking download it anywhere you dumb retard>Muh I need to pay!
>>12202262>Unreal troonsWasn't an "automobile tranmission" involved in development of Q3A?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennell_Jaquays>>12203359Sweeney is a massive faggot and Unreal fanbase in general hates the guy for a series of dick moves and selling himself to ching chang chong chong changs. But it's barely a "win" when your opponent commits suicide.
>>12203418I can also download quake 3 anywhere
>>12203392also you don't need to open source the *game libraries* to release a commercial idtech game. thirty flights of loving, the wastes and doombringer run on idtech 2, fte and darkplaces
>>12202841Yeah, I guess I should have specified nu-tribes. Old tribes and nu-tribes may as well be entirely different games that happen to share a name.
>>12203418i can't just download ut3 because what was supposed to be the drm-free rerelease on gog turned into ut3x and got canned because of retarded redditape seething
>>12202103Unreal 2k4 is the best shooting game ever made if you include custom content
>>12202103Loved em both. Quake 3 for the fast digital chess Deathmatch gameplay and UT for some wacky action. But If you ask me about Quake 2 against the OG Unreal, its not even close. Unreals campaign is such a blast, completed it today for the xth time, still lots of fun. Im patiently waiting for Unreal Redux to release.
>>12203543if haven't played on version 217 with glide then you haven't beaten it
>>12203445I'm pretty sure ut3x was always some dumb attempt by Sweeney to save his image to the unreal community until they stopped caring. It was never coming out, it was a trick and was always just a bunch of shopped screenshots floating around until the shitstorm ended, where it would just go nowhere.
Quake has NO music.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPqxWd8yvWE
>>12203557Played it back in the days on my Win98 Shit box which indeed had an an voodoo graphics card. Nowadays i play the Version from the Unreal Anthology because i still have a disc with the newest oldunreal fan patch applied. Which graphical bells and whistles am i missing?
>>12203543That guy looks heavily influenced by Predator
The Unreal Engine is a disgrace.
>>12203567all unreal games were being made abandonware and ut3 was the one game in the series that *needed* a rerelease to remain playable, because there are only so many ut3 cd-keys in the world. utfags considered ut3x an insult and were up in arms all over the internet over it "killing the series" and my vision is that swiney canned it for pr control because he didn't want a game with overwhelmingly negative reviews on steam
>>12203421>But it's barely a "win" when your opponent commits suicide.t. Imperialist Nip
>>12203593oldunreal compared to ancient builds has the worse notify font (it's centered and green in release build), no dropdown console and worse dispersion pistol bolt fx
ut99,soundtrack,character clasd,assault game mode,peak shooter,tac ops 1.6 was quality mod
I never liked unreal, feels so low quality compared to Quake.
>>12203589>>12203597>>12203636illegitimate auster-kun thread confirmed
>>12203641You're an illegitimate child.
The best part of UT was the soundtrack
Is it even possible to open source UE1 anymore?
>>12203685Apparently not worth the autism to bother, even though I doubt Sweeney would stop you.
>>12202160Home
>>12203614There is an mutator to use the old weapons, but its a mixed bag for me as i like the old Flak and Stinger, but dont like the old automag and disp pistol.
>>12202103quake has the better movement, there is a reason quake always had a big community centered around it. be it speedruns or stuff like defrag. ut tried copying it wth their retarded dashes but fell flat since it felt like shit. even one cuck lead designer cliff once said they never achieved what quake did with their movement. acceleration is part of what makes it feel good and they regret not going for that. having said that ut has the better soundtrack.
quake has boring levels and is ugly as fuck to look at. both are dead games anyway.
>>12204730>both are dead games anywayQuake isn't dead, Unreal sis.
>>12204749>muh railgun map with 5 old farts idling means quake isnt dead
UT dominated Q3 so hard they had to rush out this shitty expansion nobody played. Hey guys we have CTF too! In the same tiny brown DM maps! Trash
>>12204648it only reverts unreal gold's sounds
>>12204753https://ql.syncore.org/ and somehow this is still better than all ut games combined. don't forget qw and q2 and their demasters and all quakelikes like open arena and xonotic and warsow/warfork
>>12204712quake devs were very keen on movement in general, not to derail this quake general but this is why movement in WoW is so smooth and responsive (which did contribute to game's success a lot), I'm sure John Cash had a hand in this
>Q3Generic weapon arsenal, bad gunplay, ugly maps, tryhards like it because you can HUNHHH HUNHHH through the maps at 100000 mph>UTFun weapons, secondary firemodes, gimmics, maps look nice, bots trash talk in voice lines, modding scene ballin out of control, soul
>>12204816>modding scene ballin out of control and they have uhhh chaos ut and uhhh ballistic weapons and uhhh well uhhh uhm
games that are chock full of one-off gimmicks last only for the 4 days those gimmicks feel fresh. jabroni brawl 3 literally lasted 4 days
>>12203359Epic became greedy because UT was a huge success. id humbled down because Quack got knocked out cold.
>>12204816>>12204819i liked dark magicalso tried matrix moves but it's ehh
>>12204819MONSTER HUNT/ARENA
>>12204784I can swear the projectiles were also changed, but this could also be some mandela effect bullshit
>>12202160what did you play this on, an s3 trio?
>>12204986people did that to gain visual clarity and framerate advantage, predominantly amongst quake 3 playersthat being said ut99 minimum requirements were far below quake 3 it can even run quite comfortably on software
>>12204763wtf are you on about? I grew up in the early 2000s and no one gave a fuck about ut. if anything everything was all about cs followed by q3.
>>12202103As an Xbox kid, I kinda love Unreal Tournament series and know next to nothing about Quake aside from boomer ravings and clips.
>>12205420I loved Unreal Championship / II and Counterstrike on Xbox.
>>12204835>id humbled down because Quack got knocked out coldBut Quake 3 and Enemy Territory: Quake Wars were massive successes.
>>12205420Speak for yourself faggot. There were dozens of great fps games in that era, i think you just missed out.
>>12205420we're talking about first world countries not your eastern european hell hole
>>12203359UT wasn't made by Epic. It's the work of Digital Extremes.
>>12205420>I grew up in the early 2000sI did too and it was the opposite for me. Every PC gamer I knew loved the Unreal series and nobody ever mentioned Quake. Maybe it's which nation or region you're in that makes the difference.
>>12206194Just like Quake 64 (Midway), Enemy Territory: Quake Wars (Splash Damage), and Quake Champions (Saber), id Software has acknowledged and celebrates them.What does Epic Games do about Unreal Tournament? They play dumb as if that franchise didn't exist and do everything they can to erase that part of their legacy.If they were people, Epic would be a weak zoomer femboy ashamed of its race, and id Software a Gen X Chad proud of himself and his culture.
>>12205420UT99 was incredibly popular if you say otherwise you weren't there.
>>12206789not as q3 or cs, zoom
>>12206842yes actually
>>12206842Who needs this warring shit? Its 1999+26, get over it already. Q3 was great, CS was great, UT was also great.
>>12206842in my experience, cs came way later compared to ut99 and q3and most of the people that played cs when it's booming never actually played either ut99 or q3there was a period where it's just ut99 vs q3, and i say vs but more likely both players played both anyway and it's just a matter of preferencewith weirdos playing random other stuff like hldm, sin, or turok
>>12206909I wish HL:DM caught on. The weapons are so much cooler than Quake, CS, and even UT.
>>12206901>UT was also greatBut it was not, stop lying.
>>12202120I like both games, but IMO Quake 3 plays a lot better. It has less stuff and arguably less charm, but it makes up for that with just how good the controls, physics, and gameplay feel.
>>12202103Both series died and became Multiplayer Only slop.
>>12203303That doesn't mean the engine is, you fucking simpleton.
>>12207783The fucking maps still aren't, you dumb nigger.
>>12203543You sum it up nicely there. Good post.
>>12202103Quake...and Unreal Tournament. No matter what you prefer, you can always bet on the fact that arena shooter "players" are playing neither.
Quake 3 arena went to become a legend and the first game used on the late WCS and Intel tournaments before Blizzard ruined everything with their greed.Right at the year 2000.UT was a lightning in the bottle that failed courtesy of timmy being a fag and Cliffy also being a fag
UT 2k3 and 2k4 were fun. I stopped playing them after that.
>>12204816>tryhards like it because you can HUNHHH HUNHHH through the maps at 100000 mphnormalfaggot retards like you are the reason movement, weapon switching, and reload speeds get slower with each IdTech versionin the 90s in doom/doom2 it was spaztastic fun to do drive-by point-blank shotgun blasts to the back of your friend's head playing with mouse and keyboard while he cried like all gamepad shitters do. now all you gimps play 3rd person shooter king of the hill hide and seek neon color avatar bullshit and cry about even more made up problems than dieharding on the worst control devicetl;dr git gud faggit
You can play Q3, UT and some other games directly in your web browser on doszone. No download needed. Maybe we'll meet there.https://dos.zone/mp/
>>12202262>The lineage of Unreal Tournament leads to Fortniteand literally every single game that runs on the unreal engine.> Quake's connects to Half-Life, Team Fortress...moved to valve's in house engine, source.>...Medal of Honor...moved to EA's in house engine, frostbite and is also a dead franchise.>...and Call of Duty.the only non-id game that still runs on idtech and every codkiddie is seething about the new CoDs because they finally outgrew the games and don't want to admit it.
>>12204816half-life 1 & 2 had a better modding scene than both even if 90% of it is GMOD shit, rehashes of ravenholm, autistic logic puzzles and dead multiplayer slop now.
>>12210041Can we start hurting or banning half life faggots?Praising an engine demo alone is enough reason for a public beatingCompared to this garbage, Sin, Unreal, and Painkiller is more impressive than this trash demo for several reasons.Crysis, tech-wise, made every FPS feels like a pathetic attempt in realism and gameplay mechanics.Valve and "gAbeN'' fanboys are the worst thing that ever happened to the gaming industry. Cultists deserve to be hurt
>>12210034>every codkiddie is seething about the new CoDs becausebf6 does it better
>>12210146Half-Life has a bombastic campaign and spawned a shitload of great mods, made by passionate gamers in their spare time. Most likely enough for a lifetime. Love me some They Hunger or Afraid of monsters or Heart of evil. Even love me some meme mods and esoteric russian or nippon maps. Damn i love fps games and vidya in general
>>12209648Counter-Strike had a disasterous impact on multiplayer shooters. Literal no fun allowed.
>>12209673>active Half Life Deathmatch serversAmazing find, thanks anon
>>12203418Epic will even forward you to oldunreal to download it for free.https://www.epicgames.com/unrealtournament
I liked unreal more, the weapons and corporate backed bloodsport aesthetic is unmatched.
>>12202103>Quake 3: finely tuned to perfection, weapon set distilled down to the epitome of each archetype, visual clarity emphasised, aimed at high level competitive play>UT: gets more players by simply being more of a spectacle, more fun, more moddable, loads of user created content from the outset, more accessible
>>12211342I don't think anyone sane can argue against Unreal crushing Quake 3 in the aesthetics department
>>12209673>No download needed.You're browser downloads it for you. Stop lying on the internet
Sauerbraten, World of Padman, Nexuiz, Xonotic, Open Arena, Alien Arena, Warsow. Am i missing one?
>>12211312My conspiracy theory is that the reason Tim delisted the entire Unreal series is because he fucking hates Digital Extremes and Cliffy for taking all the credit. Ever noticed how nobody ever talked about Tim Sweeney before Fortnite even though he was always there at Epic?
>>12211560Makes absolutely sense. The only UT which was made by Epic alone flopped hard and is propably the worst one. I dont hate UT3 but there is no reason for me to play it, as it has the least content and the worst graphics/artstyle of em all.
>>12211359>game designed for comp >game designed for funI fucking miss when games were split like this, now suits and devs want to do both at the same time and its a fucking nightmare for everyone involved.
>>12205420look at this fucking newfag
>>12202103Q3 had tighter level design, but I liked UT's bigger variety and bot ai.
>>12211584>The only UT which was made by Epic alone flopped hard and is propably the worst one.Also probably not helped by the fact that Epic were busy with Gears of War at the time, too.
>>12211012>Counter-Strike had a disasterous impact on multiplayer shooters.Because VAC came late and people already moved on to other games because the wallhack and autoaim in CS 1.2 was out of control
>>12210218>can basically be perma-muted for trashtalk or otherwise "inflammatory comments" without any chance of appealsno thanks
>>12211584it's the UT i have on steam deck because it has proper/native controller support.
>>12213250Steam Deck has Steam Input, retard.
>>12213040Yeah, it shows. UT3 looks art direction wise suspiciously similar to Gears of War.
>>12211560Given how butthurt Tim Sweeney is on twitter everyday I'd be inclined to believe this, dude is made of paper.
>>12214143My hot take is that this game was pretty good, it was a great use of an 8800GT at the time.
>faggot looking for fun = UT player>Tryhard competitive faggot = Quake playerUT and Q aren't equals, is like comparing Gran Turismo with Need for Speed.Square up and man up, faggot.
>>12202123ThisIn fact Unreal Tournament is probably the best ever Quake is only good because of the music and okay maps
>>12214143ut2k3's dom-junkyard and dm-rustatorium and all ut2k4 assault maps were already made with scraps left over from unreal warfare
unreal engine still captivates players today with its great innovation and rich lineage. games today would be nothing without unreal. quake is still around because of the niche of doom fans who never stopped playing doom and quake.
>>12214283Weak bait, eat more curry and stay healthy, Rankeesh.
>>12214283
>>12202262>The lineage of Unreal TournamentUT was developed by digital extremes. All entries not made by them are not part of the series.
dm-Radikus
>>12204763team arena doesn't count, every "id" mission pack sucks
>>12203543late Quake 2 with the custom maps made for it set the stage for Quake 3, problem was the gameplay was a step down from Quakeworld. Q3 ended up being the actual QW sequel
>>12214283Quake 3 is still alive because the software still works and the maps and movement were made with a high skill ceiling for the ppl who didn't switch to Q2. it's a rare gem that won't come around again
>>12215409Recommend me some. Only played the base Game which was a blast, an addon which kinda sucked and Ya3dag which fucking ruled
>>12202103Quake 3 was a truly awesome game but not as rugged as its ancestors. The leak felt more like Quake but the final version was kind of meh in some design aspects.Unreal Tournament was everywhere in school and I hated it for its cheesy art & audio. The game was kinda cool but should have been differently packaged.
