The Great GTA Debate
Things you can argue Vice City does better: Aesthetic.
III
That sure was a great debate. What a pathetic thread.
>>12202973Contrarian
>>12202973This is the real answer
>>12202961Anyone saying 3 or VC is just being a contrarian
>>12202961GTA2
GTA 3/4 bros? We won.
>>12203235It may be inferior technically but its atmosphere is irreplicable.
>>12202961>"""definitive""" editionsnot retro
>>12203291You're not my "bro", 4fag
SA's engine in VC = perfection.Someone make it happen.
>Definitive editionNeither
Neither are very good.
>>12203271>>12203235The contrarian dismissal is one of my favorite things to see. It's literally impossible for any of you nerds to actually defend or even explain why SA is superior. It's just the best because IT JUST IS OK!!!Vice City has it's shortcomings as a unfinished mess, the second half definitely suffers hard. However in spite of that it's a lot of people's favorite for a few simple reasons. The big one front and center is the setting, the visuals, the music, the ATMOSPHERE. VC did such an insanely good job capturing everything about the setting that it immerses you in it's world like nothing else. Even the, in my opinion, superior VCS doesn't do as good of a job as Vice City.San Andreas is the Saints Row 3 of GTA, it went too far too overboard and most people completely lose interest by San Fiero. Those who get through the SF shit are greeted with the most absurd bullshit, a random gang member is all of a sudden a CIA spook raiding Area 51, like god damn sure it's fun but it's also an incoherent mess, much like Saints Row 3.GTA3 did something that was replicated with GTA4 where GTA3 feels like the end of an era, it's a time capsule of a world that no longer exists because it was made and takes place in the same time. VC and SA are a bunch of movies thrown together, 3 has some movie stuff in them but to a lesser extent. It also is the most faithful to the classics even being able to be played top down. It's just extremely unique, only 2 and London surpass it in that regard. For some people I could easily see why it's their favorite because it's not like the other GTA games, and there's nothing else like it. There's plenty of games that give you a similar feel to VC or SA but absolutely nothing replicates 3.Eat shit faggots.
>>12203582Bigger and better game, I don't care about your """atmosphere"""" cope
>>12203617How I wish every board had flags
>phoneshitter>soijak>post riddled with errors
>>12202961Ahem
>>12202968I thought this until I was playing SA and I was driving around the countryside listening to sad K-Rose songs in the rain. It fucking hit
>>12202961This.
>>12203595built for bbg
>>12202968now leave the Ocean Beach area where you start off the game in.
>>12202961there is no debate here, Reddit City sucks ass even 3 was a better game
>>12202961I guess if you're really in the mood for an open world crime game set in 80s Miami for the Playstation 2 you can playScarface
>>12202968san andreas is bigger and more fleshed out, vice city is still better.
III is the best GTAVice City is a better III
>>12202961SA definitelyand I'd rather play Liberty/Vice City Stories than VC
zoomzoom versions aren't retroshittok that way, retard
>>12204632These games were made before I was even born, don't see how they aren't retro
>>12203946based Was genuinely shocked how much I enjoyed III
>>12202968Sometimes less is more. SA added too much bloat to the game in a way that didn't genuinely improve it.
>>12202968ost too. there's too much hip-hop and country crap in sa.
>>12202961>crack vs cocaine
>>12204904Tbh crack is more of an intense high as you get more into your system but you have to uptake it more often and need a pipe. I give the edge to coke but only because you don't need a pipet. made crack one night during my coke days, it's really easy
>>12202961I've got more nostalgia for VC and more love for the music. I'd still give the edge to SA though because of its scope and all the toys it gives you.both games capture the 'rise to power' feeling really well, but in different ways. VC is all about becoming the biggest fish in a small pond, and SA goes beyond that with its multiple cities and private planes, and even a mission in LC. it's an aspect they purposefully ditched in IV to tell a grittier story, and then absolutely fucked up when they attempted it in V.
>>12202961It's not even a debate, SA did everything VC did times 100. It's one of the most densely packed games ever released.I'd happily discuss VC vs. 3 any day, but this isn't even close.
>>12202961why would you willingly be a black guy in san andreas?
>>12203946love it
>>12202961SA was my first GTA played from start to finish. Played it multiple time across the years, watched speedruns... and I still can't get tired of it.There are indications that SA was supposed to be even bigger in scope than what we got. Like an empire and business simulator (outside of the main history). Rockstar really went all in this game for some reason.During the Plandemic, played VC and III for the first time. Both game felt like a prototype... or a very early beta build for SA. Terrible games in comparison. Young me was right about dropping those games back then.
>>12206792...I understand that nostalgia can cloud our judgment and reasoning. There's nothing wrong with liking VC more than SA, or vice versa. It's your preference and opinion. But facts are facts: VC and III are awful games compared to SA.
My parents wouldn't let me play GTA as a kid so Spiderman 2 is all I got that was close to the GTA free roam experience.
III. It has an unintentionally strange atmosphere that I have rarely experienced in games since I first played it. Especially the really reverb-y audio and the weird early trailing light effects on cars. Also the Moving Shadow radio station is probably the best one they ever made for those games.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nuz_w3xLKM
Vice City has the better soundtrack, I don't think that's even debatable, and I really like the atmosphere but like >>12203934 said SA has it's moments too. I guess what it comes down to for me is story and gameplay and for me that goes to SA easily. I don't think any GTA game has a genuinely good and compelling story but I get a kick out of, for lack of a better term, "fun moments" and SA has the most of them imo. San Andreas also has the best missions of the franchise and overall feels a lot better to play than 3 or VC. People can complain about the train and RC Plane missions but I've never had much trouble with them personally, meanwhile there are plenty of unassuming regular missions in 3 and VC that make me want to snap the disc in half. So many times I get to a mission area in 3 and VC and just get lit the fuck up and die immediately.
>>12203582based and true, 3 is amazing. I'm playing LCS for the first time at the moment and it's nice to be back in the city.
>>12206856SA has the best story and has the protagonist that comes the closest to feeling like a real character. I also like the world the best.The main problem with SA in a way, is the story. The game tries to pigeonhole you into using certain vehicles or weapons for missions and places restrictions on how you can beat them...for story purposes. Like there's a bunch of early missions that you have to use your brother's (or Big Smoke's, or whomever's) old car, whereas in VC or III you could use whatever care you wanted.III and VC are filled with creative alternate ways you can beat missions. For example, there's a mission where you need to snipe a mob boss. If you miss, he gets in his car and you have to change him back to his mansion. If you can't stop him, you lose. So what I'd always do was pile a bunch of cars up in his driveway. He'd always get stuck there and I'd just lob grenades at him. SA and beyond really limit this kind of stuff.
>>12203391Don't all 3(or was there 5?) ps2 games use the same engine?
They're both shit. All 3D GTA is garbage. GTA2 was the last good game Rockstar ever made. And as much a I love the 2D GTA games, lemmings is still the superior game.
>>12202961I like both, but personally prefer San Andreas just because I played it a lot more growing up. San andreas has the jetpack cheatcode, but Vice City has the random women follow you cheatcode, so each is great in its own way. I do prefer the map in San Andreas for sure, as well as the soundtrack.
>>122029613 and VC cuz you can fly the tankvice city 2 only lets you fly planes and jetpacks. booooring. talk about a total snoozefest.
>>12206810This game is like a playground, I love it. Really good controls, great sense of freedom, absolutely huge city. Best Spiderman game of all time here.
VC feels quite barren if you go back and play it now, it's a one and done sort of game for me
>>12207119>vice city 2Genuine lol>only lets you fly planes and jetpacksNah dude you gotta try the cheat that lets you fly all the cars. You start driving fast enough and you just lift off. Affects NPC vehicles too, so if you chase people down a good stretch of highway and shoot at them so they panic and speed up, you can get them flying away too.
>>12204551I hate VCS but love 3 and VC
>>122029613, Vice city and SA are all great games that inspire debate because they are very different games built upon the same foundation. If you're like me and played GTA, GTA London and GTA 2 before 3 I typically find that 3 is your favorite since it shares so much DNA with its predecessors. If you started with 3 typically VC or SA are your favorites since they expanded the breadth of 3's gameplay, but if you started with top down 3 felt expanded enough.
>>12202973Reminder that no one prefers 3 over VC or SA, and if they say they do, they are a mentally ill tryhard faggot troon, that's a contrarian for the sake of it.
>>12202961tommy vercetti very dayty
>>12207164haha fell for it
HMMMMMMMMMMNICE BIKEused to hate the weird deliveries on the voice acting, mostly Tommy "until other opportunities arrive" but its grown on me
>>12207164VC feels bland and soulless.3 is simple and fun, and a great contrast to the amount of content (bordering on bloat) that SA has. 3 and SA are kings. VC is a cheap cashin.
>>12207195it's insane looking at this now and realizing how actually tiny the map is when years ago it felt massive
III is the best one.
3 had the better atmosphereVC was better in everything elseSA tried to do too much and failed
>>12207642You were born in the 2000s.
>>12207553I don't know man, it felt pretty small to me after GTA 3. I like VC though, I even used to prefer it over SA back when SA came out. Now I think SA is the much better game.
>>12202961has anyone made a mod that lets you do SA things in VC? Like all the new mechanics and other things introduced in SA.
>>12207642kek there really are no mods or jannies left. posts like these used to be deleted within minutes.
GTA vice city has the best radio bar fucking none. each channel perfectly captures an 80s clique. going by san andreas' radio you'd think the whole west coast was black (funk, rap, classic rap, new jack swing, classic funk, and raggae. the only good channels being k-dst, radio x, and wctr.
>>12208673you forgot good ol SF-UR and K-Rose
San Andreas, easily. It's way more immersive. It feels like an actual world. I can start from one point and do a cross country and see forests, mountains, deserts, highways, towns, and cities, and it's believable. Los Santos has that sweltering orange heat that only Los Santos has. San Fierro has that foggy mist that only San Fierro has. And Las Venturas has sand storms. At least they do on the original PS2 game, which is what I play to this day.Vice City is great, but there are things that instantly break my immersion. The biggest thing is the map itself. It's tiny. It's visibly unfinished. It's completely flat. And more than anything, the roads are janky, and the AI doesn't know how to use all the lanes of a multi-lane road. Or maybe the game simply doesn't have multi-lane roads; then what's up with those roads that are twice as wide as a normal road? GTA3 did not have that problem. GTA3 has highways and multi-lane roads and the AI knows how to use them.
>>12202961The way Lance was written always sort of bugged meIt was foreshadowed from the moment you meet him but there's never any big reveal or huge twistHe just sort of betrays you out of boredom
VC is the best one because despite being born in 2001 it really gives me nostalgia for the 80's that I feel in my soul. Only major issue I have is why they included some crap rap radio station - rap sounds nothing like that so the sound guys at rockstar really fucked that up.
>cortez boat scene>DANCE HALL DAYS LONG
>>12208673I like 3's radio for double clef FM and chatterbox. :)
>tfw I just want 3 with some of SA's mechanics like weight gain/gyms/customization, and the driving MAYBE gun skills>want it to have 2's respect system>each island 3 gangs to work for>Portland: Mafia, Triads, Diablos>Staunton: Yardies, Yakuza, Cartel>Work on fucking Shoreside so it feels more like something and not just stapled one
This radio station is enough to ditch any other GTA.
>>12209080>born in 2001You must be 18 to post here.
GTA 3 is pretty badThe missions are repetitive and not very fun,the city is boring and not fun to explore,even the story is mehSan Andreas is mile ahead of both 3 and VC
>>12204551This.
>>12209527>anon can't count
>>12209537How to spot someone who was born after the ps2 was launched
>>122095521999 to be precise
>>12209537>i must exploooorefiltered ubifag
>>12202961more things to fly in san andreas
>>12210439How else are you supposed to find the hidden packages?
>>12202973This
>>12202961the entire series was always extremely overrated, even to this day
>>12208709isn't SF-UR the gay bar station? i always thought that was the joke of it being in san franciscok-rose is very hit or miss, a couple of songs are good but a lot more are insufferable
>>12204683lil' nonny, I...
>>12202973based
>>12209009Vice City's map is 25% beach, 25% airport, 50% city. Most overrated GTA by far.
>>12211387It's really flat compared to Liberty. Which is realistic I guess but I never thought it was the best city. I think people are just enamored with the 80s aesthetic.
>>1221138780 percent of Staunton are grey boxes with windows and shoreside is 50% airport
>fall into water>dieswoaow>inb4 skill issuecoding issue more like
>>12204519About god damn time you showed up. Anon with the big cojones right here.
>>12211472vc really should have had swimming, with how prominent water is in the game and even the details plainly visible from the surface of the water I don't think it makes sense that swimming wasn't included.
>>12211472For some reason I got angrier from drowning in III than when I drowned in VC.
3 is alright but VCS is my favorite. Just plays better
>>12214198>VCYeah while I disagree I can understa->Shol up nao
