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How did they fuck up the sequel so badly?
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They fucked up by making a turn-based combat game. Turn-based combat is lame. Play action RPGs instead.
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>>12211283
What?
That didn't change, the first one was turn based too and it was awesome.
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>>12211287
i was baiting and I apologize, the first Jade Cocoon was actually pretty good. I never played 2
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>great PS1 J-RPG turn to shit with it's PS2 sequel

Many such case
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>>12211291
Oh, okay.
Yeah 2 was just very different.

>>12211294
Really?
I don't recall too many such cases but this one will forever haunt me.
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Outside of FFX, turn based JRPGs on PS2 suck really bad. I genuinely don't know what happened it's like they forgot how to make them. Such an instantaneous fall off too, it wasn't gradual at all, the second devs switched to PS2 all of the talent, artistry and soul was left behind.
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>>12211305
>Outside of FFX, turn based JRPGs on PS2 suck really bad
Raidou is great but according to da rules its not retro.
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>>12211305
>>12211308
Not just raidou, smt in general peaked on ps2 with smt 3.
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>>12211295
>Really?
I don't recall too many such cases but this one will forever haunt me.

Jade cocoon 2
Grandia 3
Legend of legaia 2
Final fantasy 12
Dawn of mana
Unlimited saga
Suikoden 3 and 4

The most egregrious cases
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>>12211317
>Grandia 3
Grandia 2 was already shit and a massive downgrade from the first game which was a masterpiece so I wasn't so surprised by that one.
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>>12211317
>Jade cocoon 2
Sure, obviously I started with that one.

>Grandia 3
Like the other anon said, 2 was already bad.

>Legend of legaia 2
That's the martial arts one?
Never played it.

>Final fantasy 12
Eh, I think it's fine.
It tried something new with the combat and it wasn't everyone's cup of tea but the rest was good.
Besides X was on ps2 and that was great,

>Dawn of mana
Yeah, that was bad.
But I think the other 2 games after legend weren't good either.

>Unlimited saga
That's a unique case I feel since the gameplay is just a slot machine.
And saga recovered after that.

>Suikoden 3 and 4
I think these are okay.

So yeah, in a lot of the cases it's just the franchise hitting the point of entropy and falling apart so I don't think it has anything to do with the ps2 itself. It would've happened on anything else too.
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>>12211305
Check out DQ8, I think you'll enjoy it.
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>>12211328
>Final fantasy 12
>Eh, I think it's fine.

No it's really not

Atrociously slow combat with non interactive gameplay
Awfull dungeons
Meh story
Boring art direction
Random chest
Licences
Forgetable soundtrack

Truly an awfull game,the game i despise the most

The only think genuinly amazing in FF12 is the english dub , probably the best in J-RPG history
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>>12211270
They focused on the wrong parts. 1 is the far better game.
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>>12211308
>but according to da rules its not retro
What? Yes it is.
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>>12212447
Exactly.
First one is a coming of age story, the game even gives you a wife.
And then the sequel was like "hey wanna play as an obnoxious 6 year old kid?"
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Dunno looks shit though



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