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>Quick, we need a big game that will make people want a Saturn. Let's ask our star dev Yuji Naka what he wants to make.
>>How about... *hits bong* an original game... where you're a tranny clown flying through rings. And also throw in pointless child characters no one cares about.
>Uh... no Sonic? Nothing based on a popular franchise?
>>Tranny clown.
>But look at that Super Mario 64 game. We certainly need a strong 3D platformer in our lineup.
>>Tranny clown.
>But that sounds retarded, and we won't know how to market it.
>>Tranny clown.
>Okay, so we're gonna let our American studio work on a Sonic game, and to speed things up, we'll reuse your game's engi--
>>STFU!!!!!!! DIRTY AMERICAN PIGDOGS CAN'T USE MY ENGINE!!! MY TRANNY CLOWN, MY GAME, MY MASTERPIECE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Did this actually happen?
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>>12216686
Yes. T. Tranny clown
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>>12216683
games a classic and holds up fine next to mario and crash.
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>>12216683
based, the tranny clown game is peak gaming
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>>12216714
Culture has regressed so much that we have people in 2025 who think that fucking nights into dreams is some sort of liberal art piece about the trans experience, I'm going to jump off a fucking bridge.
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>>12216719
its 100x more fun than any crash game. people who shit on nights havent actually given it a try.
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>alright you guys, we need to create an epic RPG to compete with ffvii on the playstation.
>how about that critically acclaimed, fan beloved series of RPGs we developed for the sega system and megadrive?
>NOOO, no, that will never work. we cant just give the fans what they want
>somethings coming to me.... the shooter.. the rail shooter... yes... make the rail shooter our next rpg
>that way fans of the rails shooter and fans of our classic rpg series will BOTH be disappointed
>its brilliant
>oh, and that classic turn based rpg franchise?
>make it an MMO looter slop and never go back to the classic story and gameplay ever again, essentially erasing its legacy from history
>great meeting, whos ready for lunch
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>>12216683
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nights certainly isnt the problem, its one of the handful of actually good saturn games and easily better than whatever 3d sonic theyd be able to shit out at the time.
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>>12216683
The N64 was as big of a flop as the Saturn if not even moreso, there's really no evidence the lack of a 3D platformer was the issue
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>>12216958
What would a Saturn Phantasy Star game be like?
Closer to the classic games? Or closer to Phantasy Star Online?
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>>12216972
in my perfect imaginary world it would be like the classic games but with detailed 5th gen prerendered backgrounds with large detailed sprites for characters (catering way more to the saturns strengths than its janky 3d) and turn based combat. since the original story was wrapped up Id put it in a different star system and start fresh with a new plot. PSO is shit and should have been a spin off instead of replacing the real series. it wouldnt have saved the saturn but it wouldve been another 5th gen jrpg classic that could actually compete with the big dogs on ps1, similar to psiv being just as good as the best snes rpgs. we were fucking robbed.
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>>12216958
>how about that critically acclaimed, fan beloved series of RPGs we developed for the sega system and megadrive?
Yeah, imagine if Sega just did that. That would totally save the Saturn, ha-ha.
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>>12216969
>if not even moreso
Maybe if you're a drooling retard. Saturn just barely outsold it in Japan and got utterly raped everywhere else. SM64 is the bestselling game of its generation and PS1 also got a bunch of platformers.
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>>12217101
FFVII nearly outsold SM64 2 to 1
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>>12217101
no one cares about super mario 64 bro
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>>12217104
And it didn't. What an irrelevant post. Look at the PS1 list and you'll see a fuckload of platformers.
>>12217107
Sega sure did. Here's your Mario 64 killer, bro.
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>>12217126
>irrelevant post
>SM64 is the bestselling game of its generation
nigger, you got BTFOd
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>>12217130
How? That's a fact. No game from that generation sold more than Super Mario 64. Get better reading comprehension.
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>>12217126
so i'm confused is nights the bing bing wahoo competitor or is it SA?
deflecting to sega won't change the fact that mario failed to shift any units, his console flopped and shitted bigly
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>>12217135
I know it was a mistake to not do a 3D Sonic game for the Saturn. Sonic Adventure is the most successful Dreamcast game, and the Dreamcast did slightly better than the Saturn, so it's obvious they should've prioritized doing a major Sonic game for the Saturn instead of a gay clown flying through rings.
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>NES (60 million)
>SNES (49 million)
>N64 (30 million)
>Gamecube (20 million)
>Wii U (14 million)

>PS1 (over 100 million)
>PS2 (160 million, best selling console of all time)
>PS3 (85 million, literally outsold every Nintendo console not named the Wii/Switch and was still considered a disappointment in sales)
>PS4 (117 million)
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>>12217139
>Dreamcast did slightly better than the Saturn
*in the West, despite the shorter lifespan
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>>12217140
>Wii U outsold the Saturn and Dreamcast
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>>12217140
bot's broken
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>>12217061
>Slopping
>on the sega system
Slopping 3 sucked btw, it was one of the first bloated JRPG's, a shit that plagued the genre in the years to come
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>>12216972
I think it'd be like Shining the holy ark, it'd retain the 3d dungeons and turn based combat but have highgly detailed sprites for the characters and enemies.
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Would Sonic X-treme have saved the Saturn?
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>>12217218
No, even if it was good that wouldn't have swayed enough people.
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>>12217218
No, and X-treme was a shit idea from the very conception anyway (not to mention already done as Bug! and Bug Too!).
Now, you could probably make a decent game using Chris Coffin's engine as a base, but as >>12217224 said it wouldn't become that one game everyone would've bought the price-y console for.
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>>12216958
>oh, and that classic turn based rpg franchise?
>make it an MMO looter slop and never go back to the classic story and gameplay ever again, essentially erasing its legacy from history
but enough about final fantasy
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>doesn't mention scoring mechanic
>doesn't understand narrative purpose of the characters
>imagines the asexual character being a tranny
average 3d platforming fan
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>"platformer" without platforming
what the fuck were they thinking
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>>12217452
>asexual
He's not a single cell organism.
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>>12217104
>sm64: 12 million
>ffvii: 10 million
jamal....
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>>12217462
it's not an organism at all. like you, it has no sex
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>>12217452
>asexual character
then why is he purple (the gay color)
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This is one of the worst threads I've ever seen on this board. I miss when we had jannies.
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>>12216943
>I'm going to jump off a fucking bridge.
cool, join the 41%
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>>12217682
Gay Clown May Cry 2
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>>12217682
>miss when we had jannies
Oh we have them. Try an anti-nintendo thread on here and see how long that lasts.
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>>12217701
a good quarter of the catalog is exactly that so not sure what you're trying to prove
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>>12217725
*sigh* anon, a thread not about nintendo isn't anti-nintendo.
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It's a masterpiece. You can't understand NiGHTS if you haven't read Jung by the way.
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>>12217682
implying they aren't itt calling your gay clown gay
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>>12216943
>Culture has regressed so much that we have people in 2025 who think that fucking nights into dreams is some sort of liberal art piece about the trans experience, I'm going to jump off a fucking bridge.

No. The game just doesn't look appealing at all... So people ask themselves why would they release something like this
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>>12216683
>we literally would not have Japanese gamers eternally going "who dafuq izu Sonikku za Hejihoggu desuka" if Sonic Adventure and NiGHTS switched consoles as god intended
wtf is this timeline
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>>12217763
>Jung
Spoonfeed me the basic gestalt of it.
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>>12217965
>Oh oh oh. Sonic team desuka. Eru bee ji ti crownu.
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>>12216958
Isn't PD Saga considered a terrific RPG in its own right though?
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>>12216958
PSO is the only good Phantasy Star game
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>>12216683
nights sold sega saturns for a brief period. nothing could stop ps1, not even nintendo 64.
a beta for sonic adventure on saturn would have probably been a disaster.
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>>12218956
if it was on ps1 itd be considered quirky but mediocore and mostly forgotten
>>12218961
I sincerely hope you kill yourself soon
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>>12218974
>itd be considered quirky but mediocore and mostly forgotten
same with phantasy star if they were on snes
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>>12218979
nah, PSIV would be considered in the lufia 2 tier of underrated classic that can compete with the big boys.
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NiGHTS is a legitimate work of genius. When Nintendo wanted to make a next-gen successor to the Mario games, Miyamoto just took conventional 2D platforming and made it 3D with polygons. Sonic Team went in the opposite direction. They took conventional 2D platforming and took away the conventions. NIGHTS is a 2D platformer with no platforms, no jumping, no gravity. No death. No power-ups. NiGHTS is a total deconstruction of Sonic the Hedgehog.

It's a sign of it's greatness that people are unable to describe the game other than as "score attack". All the truly great and original games cannot be put into a genre easily. Mario 64 is undoubtedly a better game than NiGHTS, but I respect the creativity of Sega's team much more than that if Nintendo.
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>>12218974
But most jarpigs on PS1 suck, the same is true for Saturn.
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>>12217738
even if it's a neutral OP about nintendo, 50% of the posts are invariably tears and seething
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>>12217139
they did two, what are you talking about
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>>12216683
I know this is bait because I've never seen a single person who unironically hates NiGHTS, especially in the context of the Saturn library. It's just an overwhelmingly charming game that's also niche enough that no one stumbles upon it randomly.
Man, I fucking love NiGHTS.
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>>12216683
A snarky anthropomorphic blue hedgehog probably would've seemed like a hard sell once too. Sometimes it just doesn't work out.
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>>12220595
Not when snarky anthropomorphic turtles were the biggest pop culture phenomenon in a generation.
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>>12220592
i definitely didn't LIKE it.
the first few times i played it on a Saturn kiosk i tried to stay as the kid, because that seemed like where the fun was. getting to explore a 3D environment.
then everything was like
>No, no, the actual game is THIS way! You're supposed to be stuck on a rail in the air!
it seemed bizarre to me.
then 1997 rolled around and i started wondering where the fuck Sonic was.
SEGA banking on NiGHTS (because Yuji Naka forced them to by cancelling multiple Sonic games) is what caused me to stop paying any attention to the Saturn.
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>>12216683
Americans outnumber nips (and the rest of the civilized world) by at least 100 to 1 when it comes to trannies per capita. He was only mindful of his main audience, can't really blame the man.
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>>12220745
Naka is such a retard
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>>12216683
>we'll reuse your game's engi--
It's funny how tech illiterate retards eat this shit excuse up.
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>>12222159
>t. Yuji Caca
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>>12220745
You can explore and even collect chips, but ignoring the gameplay because it isn't what you wanted is petulant
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>>12224756
> but ignoring the gameplay because it isn't what you wanted
is what most people did, considering NiGHTS sales vs Mario and Crash.
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Why would Yuji Naka make a game about this gay clown instead of Sonic?
People wanted Sonic. Make your new 3D engine's outing strong with a Sonic game, then make your gay clown game.
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>>12225586
Score attack games aren't popular with casual audiences, stop the presses!
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>>12216943
you do you retard. ywnbaw. faggot sexposed
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>>12216958
this would have required a human conversation between SoJ and SoA. dreaming is nice though
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>>12225601
because Yuji Naka was always an extreme egomaniac. even though he was called "the Sonic guy" and put in charge of Sonic, despite only being one of the cooks in the kitchen, it wasn't enough for him.
he wanted to replace Sonic with an IP he had more control over.
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Nights is a masterpiece. If a company going down is what it takes for high art to be made then so fucking be it
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>>12225616
>Score attack games aren't popular with casual audiences
except they were all casual audiences used to play, because that's what most arcade games were.
but the times were a changin'.
Naka refused to listen. SEGA too, which is why they kept relying on arcade ports long after arcades were dead everywhere except Japan.
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>>12225658
>You have turned me into Shadow Balan
What's goin on with this fella
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>>12216683
>In July 2022, Naka denied that he had anything to do with X-treme's use of the Nights engine and said it would have been useless due to multiple technical reasons, including the fact Nights was coded in assembly and X-treme was in C. He suggested that the developers invented the story to rationalize their failure to finish X-treme.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_X-treme

Seems like a dubious story
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>>12225707
meaningless distinction when casual audiences were already changing by then. cranky kong drew the line between core audiences and casual audiences, and he was right about audiences starting to care about story and graphics more than score and gameplay
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>>12225769
glad you agree coming out with a score attack game years after they fell out of style was a dumb idea
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>>12225776
I hate Sega because they didn't appeal to casuals
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>>12225601
That would require making a whole new engine almost entirely from scratch (which they did in Sonic Jam and were using internally for the Saturn version of Sonic Adventure).
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>>12225757
Yeah I trust the guys who's been arrested last year
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>>12225601
>Make your new 3D engine's outing strong with a Sonic game, then make your gay clown game.
The nights engine WAS supposed to be a sonic game. The start of each level where you walk and jump towards the gazebo thing and transform into nights is basically as far as they ever got with it. They decided to make a game based around their programming skills rather than waste time trying to force a sonic game they clearly weren't ready for.
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>>12226084
>trying to force a sonic game they clearly weren't ready for
Like with Burning Rangers and its idiotic totally-not-sonic-rings mechanic?
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>>12217140
Betraying Sony to work with Phillips for a few shitty CDI games was low-key one of Nintendo’s biggest mistakes of all time.
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>>12216943
>liberal art piece about the trans experience
Yeah it's not that deep. You're too journalism-brained. OP is just an edgelord zoomer who wanted to say tranny in any possible context he could because MDE is the height of humor to him. And yeah that thing looks vaguely like a tranny to his credit.
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>>12217107
Bafflingly stupid post
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Weren't you supposed to identify with the child characters?
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>>12216686
yes. i was the weed
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>>12216943
the retards replying to you are so stupid they thought you were a tranny because they can't read
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>>12226736
>a person that defends trannies is a tranny himself
not a difficult extrapolation holy shit
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>>12220592
WOULD
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>>12226762
>any sort of androgyny is trans
Not beating the retard allegations.
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>>12220592
I don't hate it necessarily, but I don't like it at all or think it's any good. It's a lame score attack game that, outside of the boss fights that are easily the worst part of the game, is incredibly repetitive and doesn't feel very good to play(no, the Saturn 3D controller everyone loves to suck off doesn't make it play any better). It's also absolutely not good enough to be the Saturns mascot or standout title or whatever it was trying to be. If it was on Playstation it wouldve been one of those $15 Japan only games that went under the radar.

It's okay for what it is, I guess, but it was weird of Sega to hype this game up and it's weird for Saturn retards to continue to put it on a pedestal.
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>>12226994
another woke faggot confirmed. why do you queers enjoy our video games anyway? go watch ru paul drag show this isn't your lane.
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>>12216683
Sonic wouldn't have saved the Saturn, but it could've made the Saturn less of a failure, to the point of perhaps saving SEGA in the long run.

No idea how they didn't prioritize Sonic more considering it was their main IP.
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>>12227939
>wouldn't have saved the Saturn
Saturn bros...
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>>12217668
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexual_flag
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>>12228065
>created 15 years after NiGHTS
dumb retard incel, back to >>>/v/
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>>12227024
>the Saturn 3D controller everyone loves to suck off doesn't make it play any better
Yes it does, it makes it easier and more comfortable to do loops. On the other hand I haven't played a Saturn since '99 so I could be wrong.
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>>12217668
Blue + pink is purple-ish.
Also, this isn't relevant to the topic, but it is a regal color, not a gay color.
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>>12228549
>Blue + pink
>boy color + girl color = tranny abomination colot
yeah a gay tranny clown indeed
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>>12226994
>any sort of androgyny is trans
He was just being cheeky you dumb autist, don't take every tongue-in-cheek statement as gospel. You even admitted the character looks androgynous so it's not exactly a hop and a skip to understand why he chose "trans" to describe it in a mocking way
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>>12229378
Thanks, Grok, but that doesn't explain why I should give someone who obviously isn't here to engage in a honest way a benefit of the doubt
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>>12229378
>defending a retard who doesn't know what transition means
can't take what they/them dish, never beating the chaser allegations
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>>12230140
don't even need to pull your intestines inside out to make the point. your degenerate lifestyle will. have fun with incontinence in your 20s. ywnbaw
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>>12216683
based yuji
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only amerimutts get triggered by this character
its the exact same corn syrup goblinos who were seething about raiden in mgs2
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>>12216683
It’s a fair argument.

As somebody who once a year, around this time, enjoys firing up Christmas nights from my Saturn’s ODE, and twirling around like Oksana Baiul for 10min, it’s a really shitty choice to sell an expensive console, that was the very first to truly be able to somewhat deliver on SEGA’s impossible promise of “the arcade at home”.

It begs the question:

Was the lead dev on it, a tranny clown themselves, at least part time in their private life ?

If so, doesn’t this game being used as a console tie-in damn near, beg the question:

“How severe are the dangers of NOT bullying Tranny clowns into suicide, before they can ascend to such positions in mid-90’s gaming development ?”
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>>12231189
look around... a completely ruined gaming industry thanks to these gremlins. we should have rounded them up
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>>12217140
And now the Switch 2 is breaking every record ever and it's barely been out for six months. By the end of year 8 You'll just need three nintendo systems to beat out the entirety of sony's now defiled legacy. Go back to /v/, 'ric
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>>12231127
dwbaw. your crying proves me right
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>>12227939
>Sonic wouldn't have saved the Saturn
SONIC X-TREME WOULD HAVE SAVED THE SATURN
IT WOULD HAVE SOLD MORE THAN FINAL FANTASY VII AND SUPER MARIO 64 COMBINED
EVEN TODAY IT WOULD STILL BE THE GREATEST VIDEO GAME THAT WAS EVER MADE
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>>12231995
>>>12227939
>>Sonic wouldn't have saved the Saturn
>SONIC X-TREME WOULD HAVE SAVED THE SATURN
>IT WOULD HAVE SOLD MORE THAN FINAL FANTASY VII AND SUPER MARIO 64 COMBINED
>EVEN TODAY IT WOULD STILL BE THE GREATEST VIDEO GAME THAT WAS EVER MADE

Man, it was such a poorly managed project from the start, with continual reboots and multiple engine changes. But Tom Kalinske was hellbent on getting it out for Christmas 1996 (possibly black Friday) release. The guy knew that was one of the most critical periods for the Saturn to stay afloat in the market. 1996 Holliday season starting in September 1995, had Crash Bandicoot on Sony's side, which was a sleeper hit that felt like it came out of no where, and really solidified Naughty Dog overnight. Tomb Raider was a November 1996 release and that was another sleeper hit that sold a lot of PS1's... even though it was also on the Saturn. Nintendo had the launch of the N64 in September 1996, with Mario 64 and Pilotwings. Mario 64 was the most anticipated launch of 1996 hands down. Nintendo had a slow trickle out launch release schedule throughout 1996. With Wave Race 64 and Shadows of the Empire being some of the more advertised holiday season releases. Sega's highest profile game was NiGHTS : Into Dreams with the 3D analogue controller. Which IMO was poorly advertised by SOA in comparison to their Sonic advertising campaigns of the past. There were some good releases on the Saturn in mid to late 1996. But nothing that really became 'high profile' or 'must haves' that would make anyone want a Saturn over the Playstation or launch N64. SOA was banking on Sonic Xtreme to keep the system alive for Christmas 1996. The PS1 already had a large collection of 'must have' games by that time. Resident Evil, Tekken 2, Madden 97 (also on the Saturn), Wipeout XL, Die Hard Trilogy was an oddly big seller. PS1 had way more momentum.
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>>12216683
After playing this I never bought another Saturn game. I got this thinking, "finally a legitimate longform console exclusive for the Saturn that's not an arcade port!" And then it ends up being the same time limit based gameplay as all the arcade ports. They might as well just released this shit in arcades too.
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Arcade haters have zero valuable opinions on classic video gaming
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Miyamoto loves NiGHTS
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>>12216972
Burning Rangers is proto-PSO in the same way Sonic Jam is proto-SA1.
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>>12216683
>this good game from 30 years ago, it's actually BAD
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>>12234794
No one ever thought nights was good
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>>12216683
He looks gay as fuck.



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