Why did Sega always got last place?
>>12259419The Sega Genesis actually had some great marketing and performed pretty well. The other consoles suffered from being overpriced, having a poor selection of games outside of Sonic, and unintuitive tech designs. For example, the Dreamcast controller with a cord that points toward you. It's fucking retarded. On top of that, the ceaseless addons. Few people want to shill out hundreds of dollars for a CD addon or whatever the 32x was supposed to be. Parents aren't going to feel motivated to buy a console extension for their child. They threw a lot of money down the drain.
>>12259419wtf they told me the Saturn massacred the N64 in Japan
The games of their competitors were better
they not good
>>12259419>NES holds global monopoly>Newcomer, almost completely unknown in the console market, takes almost half of the marketshare>They were actually leading the SNES right until Sega's focus shifted to the Saturn in 94Really impressive market penetration by Sega, definitely would not have been possible if the SNES was more impressive hardware.
>>12259450>Japan the place without SoA doing the marketing>83 vs 17Sounds more like SoA did all the work
>>12259419I like all of these consoles
>>12259457That's another factor. Sega of Japan and Sega of America had a lot of cultural and creative differences, often butting heads. The marketing campaign for the Sega Genesis in America is one of the greatest of all time. The Blast Processing ad from 1993 is a famous example in pop culture. Aside from just marketing, SoJ and SoA had different game selections. You'd get two very different libraries between the two. A lot of the appraised Sega Genesis classics like Toe Jam and Earl or Ecco the Dolphin were done by SoA. When Sega shifted its focus to the Saturn, SoA lost a lot of creative control and were mainly put in charge of localizing Japanese titles rather than their own game development. Sega of America was responsible for much of the success of Sega, and brushing them to the side (along with the poor handling of the Saturn launch) was a really poor decision and they shot themselves in the foot.
>>12259473>SoA lost a lot of creative control and were mainly put in charge of localizing Japanese titles rather than their own game development.Oh no i want my congo and ghen war not those shitty SOJ games like Sega Rally or Nights
>>12259473Another pathetic SOA apologeticSOA killed Sega ,The Sega FY 1997 and the Irimajiri interview prove it
>>12259419Sega was a company that always had strong roots in the arcade market and the philosophy of their console designs was always a strong reflection of that. Every Sega machine was basically a platform to sell their Arcade games on the home market while adding a few other games as well. They were basically the casual version of SNK and the Neo Geo
>>12259419they only knew how to make arcade games and lucked into success with the genecyst because nintendo had no other competition
Where's the TG16? 3DO? Jaguar? CD-i?
>>12259482I believe the failure of the Saturn in America and Europe is what did them in, actually. To go from holding nearly half the market share with the Sega Genesis in America to a measly 3% with the Saturn is a huge loss and they should have made more of an effort to appeal to the American market if they wanted that console to succeed. Or do you really think that releasing a console four months early is a good idea? Surprising all of your customers and retailers? Was that a smart decision by SoJ?
>>12259419Why come Sega every times geted low ranks .
>>12259494the master system was very successful in europe as well, they fumbled hard.
>>12259494It would not be a surprise lunch If it released end of 1994 like originaly planed before SOA fucked up everything The Saturn could not beat the PlayStation Sony is too strong but competing for the second place with Nintendo was a possibility But SOA choose to focus on a dying console like the Genesis instead of the future of the company and funds garbages like Ghen war or Congo
>>12259457>Sounds more like SoA did all the workMore work selling the great games that the Japanese made.
Just how bad was SoJ marketing? Were they even trying?
>>12259438saturniggers live in a different reality
>>12259494>Or do you really think that releasing a console four months early is a good idea? Surprising all of your customers and retailers? Was that a smart decision by SoJ?You mean 4 months too late, given that SOA's 32X landed like a wet fucking fart. All that first, second and third party developers mobilized for absolutely nothing.
>>12259531Selling Saturn outside of Japan was fool's errand. It was a shameful 2D system, which was fine for Japanese VN market, but not for US or Europe.Besides Sega probably demanded media to be manufactured in Japan, like it was customary for the cartridge systems, which would be off-putting for the western publishers.
>>12259419>this is the big difference segroids jerk off over
>>12259419Not continuing what was working in the US and EU and instead focusing on what wasn't working in Japan.
>>12259419And Nintendo doesn't even make consoles anymore.Sega did beat Nintendo in every region at least once, Saturn could have beat N64 if it wasn't for the ps1.>>12259559A lot of people were unhappy with the N64 which is why after they moved onto ps2.>>12259435>>12259473American leaders obsession with sports games, that wasted so much effort chasing that market who didn't care. FMV on Sega CD, I find it hard to believe they tested that well with focus groups.I don't think most people noticed 32X and couldn't afford Sega CD, it was just that ps1 marketing was too powerful.
>>12259419Sega got fucked because of piss poor leadership, laughably bad marketing on literally everything except for their singular hit in Sega does what Nintendon't, terrible import decisions, incredibly idiotic and expensive add-ons, and shitting out multiple (multiple) new consoles in the same generation each cratering harder than the last.The only thing they succeeded in was the Genesis, which weirdly enough due to import restrictions were still a top seller in a large part of south america until like 2006.
>>12259419>alwaysNot really. Take a look at North American sales:1989: 0.5mil Genesis1990: 1.0mil Genesis1991: 1.6mil Genesis, 2.0mil SNES1992: 4.5mil Genesis, 4.9mil SNES1993: 5.9mil Genesis, 4.4mil SNES, 1.3mil SegaCD, but we'll ignore those from here on out, just noting that it's eating numbers from base Genesis starting here1994: 4.0mil Genesis, 3.7mil SNES1995: 2.1mil Genesis, 2.6mil SNES1996: 1.3mil Genesis, 1.1mil SNES1997: 0.5mil Genesis, 0.6mil SNESAt this point the 16 bit consoles are basically dead in the water and don't increase much for the next few years until they are dropped. Final sales for NA are: 25,9mil Genesis, 20.0 mil SNES Stuffing the SegaCD in there adds an extra 1.5million to Sega's total
>>12259419Americans and Nips have dogshit taste in games. Thankfully both markets are now irrelevant, not that either were all that important to begin with.
>>12259419There's this dumb mentality: "companies are all created equal, Sega and Nintendo both had equal merit and starting conditions". This is dead wrong. Nintendo ruled with NES, they almost had a monopoly. Sega was like the Mega Blocks of that gen, SMS was barely relevant in Japan, Sega supported it mostly on its own. Sometimes they made ok games, sometimes they didn't. Then come Kalinske, and he clearly had a clue. Gave Nintendo a run for its money in the West, got way better dev support there, had success with sports games, and their ad campaign and image were great too. Still lagged behind in Japan though, because no FF/DQ and Ninty was still fresh off Famicom success. But then came Saturn, SOA vs SOJ, the hardware fiasco. Outpriced by PS with better hardware and way better dev support. Everything it did, PS did better, or they just copied it and got more successful with it (see: Namco lineup).Moreover, retards at Sega chased the Japanese market. They let every popular IP die because of that, they were five starting from scratch with VF. They kind of got popular there, but…Then come Bernie. And he basically undid all of that, again. Fuck Saturn, let's go for the Western gamers again. Had a right idea, but he came way too late. They needed a machine like DC in 1995, with 3D Sonic on launch, dude bro sports out the ass and good cheap hardware. They lost a crucial gen vs Playstation, at this point there was no stopping them. All dev support was with Sony and Sega was a third wheel. Once GTA3 and Halo were out, it was over for Sega.Tl;Dr: Bernie didn't like obscure jarpigs, if only wachenroder was brought to the West, Sega would have 200% of the market
>>12259419man it's pathetic how that piece of shit snes was getting wrecked by a console from the 1980s
>check sources for the sales figurines>guesstimates by literraly-whos
>>12259419those are probably close enough to accurate scores, im only surprised about the xbox original score being that low
>>12261021(the sega genesis score should be higher than that and the dreamcast possibly higher than that too)
>>12259450Funny how many people insist the hardware made any real difference in sales.It was Sonic
>>12259419I guess they were always great, but never good enough for 1st place... I still love them though.
>>12259419>Why did Sega always got last place?The Saturn was the best selling console in Japan in 1995.
>>12259419The Master system was good
>>12262713sega system*
>>12259663It's not really an accurate way to look at the situation. This is just doing a percentage of final sales long after the respective generations were over. So N64 slowly got up to that percentage over the course of about 6 years, while Saturn got to that in about half the time. Had Sega not rushed the Dreamcast out due to the Saturn's poor performance outside of Japan, it probably would have continued to sell more consoles and software in Japan widening the gap between the two consoles.The other big thing to look at is software sales. While N64 may have had more first party games breaking the 1 million mark, after about the top 20 or so games the sales start to nosedive off a cliff. Saturn's sales on the other hand stay more consistent, especially across third party titles. For example, the Saturn port of Resident Evil 1 sold over 150k copies in Japan by the end of 1997, while the N64 port of RE2 barely broke 10k copies sold in Japan by the end of 2000. So as a result when you add it all up Saturn sold significantly more software overall.
