That Square era in which they decided to make the most annoying characters known to man the protagonists of the story.
Tidus doesn't even get in the top 10,000 for annoying protags. Play more games, including the games you posted.
>>12263584All square protagonists were annoying, this was just the first one with a voice.
What's wrong with Luke Skywalker?
>>12263601He's hardly the main character, so I'm also curious to know what's so bad about him FF12 is secretly the best FF, best gameplay at least for programming fags like me, best hitoshi sakimoto soundtrack, best enviroments and maps.
FF12 is the worst J-RPG i have ever played Absolutely awfull non interactive and atrociously slow combat mix with some of the worst dungeons ever made
>>12263612>>12263615the duality of the modern /vr/ man
>>12263612I still need to play XII. I suppose the PS2 version is all right?
>>12263628if you do, download the Zodiac iso. Otherwise, go for the pc/modern console port.
>>12263612I want to fuck all the females in that picture.
>>12263628I wouldn't, the ps4 or switch version is much better with more options for jobs
>>12263628Don't play this gameIt's awfull ,your life is too precious for this piece of shit
>>12263615Yeah, played it a couple months ago and I really wanted to like it but I was just watching it play itself through endless trash mobs while my eyes glazed over. Story was disappointing too, felt like a lot less happened in it than other Final Fantasy games.
>>12263714It get's a LOT better when you start unlocking more gambits and enemies get tougher. You are basically going in, programming your party members, then watching how they handle the fights and jumping in when things get out of hand. Problem is, it sorta slowdrips you this gameplay initially and comes across as a very, very basic mmo at first. If you get to the gambits and don't enjoy programming your party then that's fair. The story is eh. Sometimes it's interesting, sometimes it's real dry.
>>12263584 Vaan looks like a homo. As always FF is just an anthology of movie-games with proof-of-concept combat systems that they piss and throw away after one game while pandering to homos and fujos
>>12263612>best hitoshi sakimoto soundtrack,BASED Zodiac Age OST is even better due to real instrumts.
>>12263785It's crap , no one remember any music of this game unlike all the great Final fantasy
>>12263804should be bannable to trash Hitoshi Sakimoto on /vr/ honestly
>>12264135Who?
Teedus is not even the worst male FF character from this millennium, that title goes to Hope.
>>12263584>the most annoying characters known to man the protagonists of the story.Are they fags or something one has to ask himself
People focus on Tidus and his daddy issues, but the real stinker of FFX was Yuna and her daddy issues. At least Tidus provided some comic relief, Yuna was a wooden soul sucking block.
12 is the only FF I have absolutely zero interest in ever playing, it looks boring, it sounds boring and the story seems boring
>>12264172Good call, I've tried to emulate it twice and never got more than maybe 10 hours in. The more serious FF tries to get, the worse it is.
>>12263612>best gameplay at least for programming fags like meIt's not robust enough to appeal to me on that level personally. It's basically just single condition if-statements sorted by priority. And most of the conditions are so ultra-specific as to be not worth using at all and some of the most basic Gambits already have built-in extra conditions where they will only use an item or magic that will cure a condition that the ally already has making a lot of the specific Ally: character status = "..." gambits completely redundant. I think if you could use mutliple conditions per gambit and you're characters had a much larger list of gambit slots than they do it could be much more appealing as a programming simulator. Instead it's extremely basic and limited in that way.
>>12263615>Cross out of nowhere
>>12263628Either get the International Zodiac Job System version or get it on modern consoles/PC with the Zodiac Age version, IZJS fixes a lot of problems and criticisms the original had and TZA gives it a bit more polish on top of that.
>>12263628PS2 version is excruciatingly slow. The Zodiac Age remaster gives x2 and x4 speed boost options which are a huge quality of life improvement. It's a massive game where you will do a lot of walking and having the ability to do everything faster just makes the entire experience far more enjoyable
>>12263612my first and fav final fantasy! when i cleared the milion hp bar ultra mega boss i knew i was a made man
>>12265308Still a slog with x4 speedThe game is just that bad
>>12264221>Instead it's extremely basicWell, it's a game, man. I think it's great to see a system like that in a toy, but it's not like I want to be given a text editor to literally program the AI as if it were my job in my spare time. I think it's robust enough for an RPG to control the party. However, I would have liked to see it iterated in later installments; it's definitely much better than having preprogrammed, non-playable party members.
>>12265316Someone isn't very good at programming gambits, it seems to me.
>>12265318I just couldn't understand how someone can like this gameMoving the joystick through awfull dungeon with endless trash mobs while the game play itself (extremely slowly),it is really that captivating?If the story was amazing at least like Xenogears i could understand the game having fans but no the story is extremely meh
>>12265321>while the game play itselfThe game doesn't play itself if you don't program it first. There is literally no difference between programming the characters gambits vs continuously entering their commands in the traditional way, other than pressing A more times. Additionally, if your gambits are not suitable for a particular battle, you can pause and do it manually too, or pause and reprogram. Seriously, you have to find another criticism for this game. "It plays itself" is a meme parroted by retards. There are elements to criticize, such as the story, but the gameplay is as deep as or deeper than any other JRPG.
>>12265328>There is literally no difference between programming the characters gambits vs continuously entering their commands in the traditional wayYes there is ,you interact with the game,yours decision matters and has a direct impact,in FF12 you just move the joystick to the next trash mobs that's it,oh and when they are defeated you wait 1-2 minute for the healer to regain his MP...What a slog
>>12265328I appreciate your thoughts, but don't feed a troll more than is necessary.
>>12265337>If a person don't like my game it's a trollWhat a pathetic cope
>>12263584Tidus isn't annoying at all, maybe if you played the game instead of watching the laughing scene like a nigger you'd know.
>>12263584Final Fantasy died for me after 6, when they decided to go 3D and pander to the Western crowd by progressively removing game mechanics and turning it into a movie.
>>12265348Hahaha what a pathetic poserFF7 and 8 are mechanicaly much deeper games than FF6
>>12265354>experimentation le good. FF8 is a masterpiece for highbrow people like mestop being pretentious
>>12265361The one being pretentious here is the FF6 poser above full of envy of the highly acclaimed and succesfull FF7-8
>>12265374>popular = good, if you disagree you're a poseryou must love marvel movies
>>12265376Well tell me what was the "game mechanic removed" from FF6?I think i will have a good laugh
>>12265378the 3D transition was not good, and in 10 they literally removed the open world map and turned it into a linear corridor, borderline FF13.FF7 onwards the game is just a mexican telenovela
>>12265382You haven't named a single game mechanic removed with FF7You talk shit about a game you problably never played What a pathetic looser
>>12265385I never brought up FF7 though. you’re the one seething with rage because someone doesn’t like 3Dshit
>>12263584do people really find Vaan annoying? irrelevant to the events of the story sure, but he's generally unobtrusive outside of him bringing up Reks in a cutscene near the end of the game
>>12265389You're the one seething because your poser game is completely overshadowed by FF7The pathetic FF6 doesn't even have super bosses hahaha
>>12265394>do people really find Vaan annoying?I find his outfit to be annoying.
>>12265348>pander to the Western crowd by progressively removing game mechanicsAs opposed to 4, the game with half its items, skills, spells, and boss mechanics removed to pander to the Western crowd, and 6, the game that definitely isn't missing 5's game-defining, mechanically complex core gameplay system.
>>12265404This looser don't know what is talking about,he probably never played most of these games
>>12265394Vaan and Penelo annoy me exclusively because if they didn't exist FF12 probably would have had a 4-person party, and a 4-person party would have solved IZJS's annoying party crunch problem (where the dedicated buff/debuff jobs are borderline useless) much better than Zodiac Age's dual-class system which straight up just breaks the game.
>>12263615>>12263714>>12263724You guys remind me of my coding partner. He bitches non-stop about the game and then tells me he quit at the first sewer level because he got tired of running in circles trying to outrun the enemies because he wanted to play as the healer and kept getting rekt by early game bosses. When I try to explain that you're not supposed to run around like a retard because the attacks aren't based on distance, he's basically preventing his characters from acting, and that you unlock more gambits later, he still refuses to stop bitching about how he was playing the game like a retard and it didn't hold his hand. He's a fucking genius when it comes to coding so it baffles me how he didn't get it.Anyway, my point is, I've noticed that almost all of the people that complain about FF12 are the people who played the games like retards and then gasped when the game whooped their asses for it
>>12263615Imma punch you.
>>12265421No no i understood that this shitty game has no positionning or interesting stuff like that
>>12263584Tidus is decent, wasn't a fan of the daddy issues though.Vaan on the other hand has no redeemable qualities and is just kinda tagging along, it's hilarious he was pushed to be a main character when he isn't. Then there's Ashe, who is also an unlikable character. If it wasn't for Balthier and Fran (and maybe Basch) I would have dropped the game very early on.
I liked FF12, I thought the areas looked nice like the viera village, I enjoyed the programming gameplay and it felt fast paced. I played the original ps2 and never needed a 2x or 4x speed option, I don't like those in general. Loved the artstyle and the party was cool. I think the artstyle was the best FF ever had alongside FF9. Vaan wasn't so bad hes kinda cute but I wish you could pick your main character while you're in town like you can while you're in dungeons
>>12265512>I enjoyed the programming gameplay and it felt fast paced. WTF
>>12265512>never needed a 2x or 4x speed optionIt's for people grinding 100% trophies or something
>>12263612>ninchud trying to appropriate a PS2 masterpiecekek miserable cunts.
>>12265348incredible mental gymnastics. Just say you're a tendie next time, we'll understand
>>12264172Yeah, it's not for brainlets, so you definitely wouldn't like it
>>12264171It's intentionally bad which means it's good.She's meant to seem reserved and oppressed by a traditional social order that demands religious observance and personal sacrifice, then in X-2 she "character develops" and has her big empowered feminist whore phase. Truly amazing story-telling.
>>12265421hey, why was I included in that!?
>>12265536>Still caring about sixth generation console wars in 2000+almost 26.Holy retardation.
>>12265318Programming your mages to use elemental spells against enemies that are weak against them isn't that complex, and melee characters are even more basic.>>12265328Pointing out that you can play the game in a way you aren't intended to that's even more tedious really isn't a good defense.>>12265421The game isn't hard it's just boring.
>>12265421I'm a software engineer and the gambit system didn't make me feel smart, it made me feel like I was removing gameplay. It was an interesting type of gameplay that's mostly about preparation, but not what I wanted. It's not difficult and people don't dislike the game because "the gambit system is too hard for them to understand."I got XII on release day and beat it. I liked the world and some of the music... but the game is an absolute slog. I remember hours bored out of my mind going down corridors watching my party autobattle for minuscule rewards. The story bored me to tears so that couldn't save it. It was just barely good enough to play without quitting.What I'm trying to say is not everyone who doesn't like XII is retarded, some just find it tedious and boring - like reading this post.
>>12265779>feel like I was removing gameplayI think the key word here is “feel,” which is subjective. Since the launch, I still haven't been able to get anyone to objectively rationalize why ATB has more or even "worse" “gameplay” than ADB. Because, honestly, it doesn't. It's not even that you program them once and it plays itself for the rest of the game, because you have to change the gambits from time to time, or make adjustments on the fly. So sorry, this is absolutely subjetive. Your brain simply thinks that by continuously selecting the same actions from a list in the ATB, you are playing a more dynamic version of Excel, but it is still just an Excel spreadsheet.
>>12265815>So sorry, this is absolutely subjetive.That's what I was saying, man! I chose the word "feel" intentionally because it's creating another kind of gameplay, not removing any.>you have to change the gambits from time to time, or make adjustments on the fly.That's all that kept me interested, I know. BUT, it's the same with ATB FFs. Unless you're over-leveled (which admittedly most players are) you are constantly managing the party through junctions/magic stones/materia whatever (picrel, the most basic example). Planning ahead and preparing the party for new conditions is not unique to XII. Though you are correct that it's at the forefront of XII's gameplay and is developed well.
>>12265779>The story bored me to tears so that couldn't save it. It was just barely good enough to play without quitting.What really frustrated me about the story is that you can see how it could've been much more interesting, the Occuria were legitimately cool but it just kind of fails to do anything with them.
>>12263584>Vaan>main protag of XIIYou could try not lying about the games you haven't played.
>>12266018We've all seen this cope before but he's the character you're playing as, he's the protagonist.
>>12265536>favela resident endlessly seething that every worthwhile shitstation game gets ported to real consoles or PC
>>12263804The only good tracks are ones they literally stole from XI
>ffxii>goodis there a quicker or more fool proof way to spot a tasteless retard?
>>12265746Yeah, it's that whole "the ideal Japanese woman has no personality at all and is a game piece for any man around her". Square is the absolute worst at writing women because they just copy some else's poorly written woman.
>>12265667>you're a brainlet if you don't waste your time with what is obviously a shitty gameInteresting take only a retard could have
>>12266036yes>ff>good
>>12266045She wasn't just a piece for any man around her though, Tidus gets her by default because he's the only option, a classic millennial trope.
>>12266179>Tidus gets her by default because he's the only option, a classic millennial trope.Ignoring the arranged marriage to SeymourShe falls for Tidus because he represents freedom, hope and fantasy
>>12266018>NOOOOO THE PROTAGONIST IS THE GIRL WHO JOINS AFTER 15 HOURSdilate
>>12263584Believe it or not, these types of characters were "cool" in Japan in the 2000s.
>>12266430If Vaan and Tidus existed in real life today, they'd get far more pussy than anyone in this thread.
>>12266179She's pushed around by her father, the church leaders, Seymour, and then Tidus. Everything she is was informed by the men in her life.It's just the Yamato Nadeshiko concept, that women are subservient to men. That's why netorare is a very Japanese concept, a woman is a "thing" that can be stolen by another man "marking" her.
>>12266440Dudes who dress like that nowadays don't tend to want pussy.
>>12263584FFX was nothing but shit characters:Wakka - literally a goofy retardTidas - No personality and also from a boy band.Yuna - Generic Japanese girlKhimari - noble savage
>>12266517Kimahri is pretty hot, albeit.
>>12263584>Japanese men make twink femboys the protagonistIs this some kind of humiliation ritual towards the US to show how submissive they are?
>>12266517Only the first two of those are actually a problem, and the other three didn't have anything you could pretend to be wrong with them.
>>12266567>game for teenage boys has teenage boy protagonist>"Is this a humiliation ritual!?"Take a break from /pol/ dude.
>>12266625>game for teenage boys>sexualizes teenage boysSo it was trying to gaslight them into being faggots? Well I guess that explains all the trannies nowadays.
>>12266640I'm not sure if you're doing a bit or not. Regardless, you're a gay retard.
>>12263589FF12 is the worst J-RPG i have ever played
>>12263743The story is eh. Sometimes it's interesting, sometimes it's real dry.
>>12266640The japs sexualize everything. They aren't as prudish about sex as the US. This same game has a main character in a leather thong and another in a ridiculously-small miniskirt - it's not "homo-coded" at all you weirdo.
>>12266670>They aren't as prudish about sex as the US.Not according to most of their romcoms. Dudes are absolutely terrified of pussy.
>>12266717>tv fiction is real life and reflects real life attitudes with complete accuracyDo you want to play that game?
>>12266640Just because you were turned on by them doesn't mean they were sexualized.
>>12266732>America isn't a country of image obsessed whores because people pretend to want to save the children for moral points.>Japan doesn't censor pron.Yes.
>>12266670>They aren't as prudish about sex as the USHere it is, the most Dunning-Kruger take about Japan.
