Original Stop n Swop Plans were just posted.
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>>12264509Why didn't they just use the Memory Pak?
>>12264513Because that wouldn't have been completely fucking retarded.
>>12264513So youd need both game on you at rhe same time.
>>12264513Not "magical" and boundary-pushing enough. Brit Speccy devs, please understand.
I would have veto'd this plan in about five seconds after scanning it. No. Just no.>>12264513I don't like this one either. It requires kids to have the memory card, which was rather uncommon, and you still have to have the other games.All the content on the cart should be accessible with only the cart and nothing else. I would be okay with the memory card making easier. The way F-Zero GX did it.
>>12264521Don't lie, it would've blown your 8 year old mind, creating nostalgic memories.
>>12264513rare didn't make money on memory cards. you had to buy their games to unlock everything. there is no other reason.
>>12264554It's tiring reminding people of this. They think they're geniuses for this solution and assume that it never crossed Rare's mind.Typically, kids rented one video game at a time. To do a swap, they'd likely need to own at least one of them. Plus it had a special novelty that would seem magical to kids at the time. Memory paks are and never a "magic wand" solution to what they were trying to do. Get over yourselves.
>>12264513It would have been simple and intelligent as opposed to retarded, innit?
This would be retarded even today on Steam. Just switching games within a set time limit through an unified software interface (thus leaving out all the hardware hassle) to unlock something would still be super retarded.
>>12264513I remember when people theorized that BT would be a lock-on cartridge like pic related, and you would transfer the eggs and ice key by plugging BK into it. Not sure if that would have made it possible, but it sure would have been cool.
>>12264513because then it's paid content, instead of exploiting the mechanics of the console itself. you wouldn't get it if you were born in the age of malicious dlc practices.
>>12264883Weird point as this is an exploit that only would have worked because it was older hardware that had unforeseen flaws. The only reason they didn't do it was because Nintendo urged them not to as they were worried about it damaging consoles and cartridges and further revisions of the console would probably clear RAM quicker, making the exploit impossible anyways. The exploit was real though and would have worked otherwise.
Where did this come from?Why is the paper so prim if it was printed in 1999?
>>12264919it's fake, and written like an autist larping instead of a british game studio jotting things down while hammered to shit
>>12264919>>12264921it comes from Gregg Mayles' X account and he's been sharing a lot of Banjo development documents in the past month so I think it's real. The only thing that might make me doubt it is that he posted a joke document in late November but I think the rest of the stuff he's posted is legit
>>12264926actually, just to clarify, I think the document itself is real but the 'splendid game' text is not actually on the document, obviously.
Obviously not really new info for the Banjo stuff but the DK64 bit is interesting since it was only ever speculation up until now. I think Rare devs had said it would have been one of the Stop n Swap games but nobody really knew how or why. Also wow, this document is dated just about 3 months to the day DK64 released, that means we were so unbelievably close to getting it. Accounting for manufacturing and distribution times which were much longer in those days, them gutting Stop n Swap from the game may have very well been the literal last thing they did during the final days of development. Also the Banjo statue is entirely new information that's really cool.>>12264537>memory card uncommonI don't think you realize like 90% of the N64 library required it to save because every publisher that wasn't Nintendo were too cheap to include cartridge save memory. Most people had at least one.
>>12264510>Next N64 gameWhat would it have been? Conker?
>>12264509I read both pages and still don't see where it explains how the information is being exchanged between the two carts. When the N64 is turned off there's no mechanism for transferring data or keeping track of time. The battery in each cart can't keep track of time unless a special chip is used, and again you still have no way of exchanging data. Is this supposed to exploit some kind of residual charge in the N64 RAM?
>>12264510>You must buy another game to 100% this gameTruly ahead of their time.
>>12265107Yes the N64 kept the content of the RAM for about 10 seconds, reduced to 4 in a later revision but still enough to do a quick swap
I wish they went through with this either as intended or via controller pack(they could have probably also used the GB transfer pack and a Rare gbc game as a work around), if only to more closely bind together Banjo to the DK series beyond DKR and thus more ties as a Nintendo franchise.
>>12265450>still enough to do a quick swapMeanwhile in the timeline where this got implemented, everyone hates Rare for damaging cartridge slots.
>>12264510>gold DK bust in the creepy castleWonder if it was supposed to be on this mysterious thing
>>12265713using the gameboy pack would actually have made a lot more sense. Didn't Perfect Dark have a transfer feature with the gameboy color game?
>>12265943It was going to, but they cut it because it was in poor taste.
>>12264509>>12264510>all the effort and precision for the ice key ARG>'next N64' is fucking Conker BFD>even if it wasn't, Dinosaur Planet is canned and retooled to the GC>Rare never works for Nintendo againepic
>>12265450The GBA has a "cartridge removed" interrupt. You were required to make a small program that lived in RAM that would be automatically called if the cart bus suddenly lost connection. You were expected to just spinlock until the cart present was re-asserted, and then you should attempt to continue where you left off. But since all data in RAM isn't going anywhere, it would be perfect for stop-and-swap. Instead they decided to do it on a console that didn't feature this and to instead rely on a quirk of RAM retention. Mental.
>>12265845yepgerman strategy guide shows it, so all the stop n swop shit was cut super late
>>12266039Its even closer than that. They got the letter from Nintendo to stop on October 1st 1999. The game came out November 22nd.
>>12266019Nothing in the official GBA docs mentions resuming from an ejected cartridge. The only real mention of uses of that interrupt is this>When using the stop function, enable the Game Pak interrupt first. When Stop is cancelled by remov->ing the Game Pak, stop the processing (i.e., infinite loop, etc.).
>>12266136I'll admit my memory is faulty. It has been 25 years since I saw the docs, so okay it's not a requirement. Maybe they changed it in a later doc or maybe I just imagined it since I read it and figured there's little point to spinlocking in an interrupt except to wait for the cart to come back. When you are in that interrupt you have the return address of where you were before it was asserted, you absolutely could resume unless the hardware was hard wired to trigger a reset.
>>12266078yeah so they really fucked up by keeping it secret, there's a chance they could have gone ahead with it if they didn't get found out literally one month before release
>>12266281This was peak Nintendo bastard era though. Nintendo would fail submissions for the most minor infractions of v-blank timings and going off script on register access. I think Yamauchi himself would have gone to England to kick the Stamper bros. asses if they hid something THIS crazy from the QC process.
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>>12264912The only "weird point" is that you flapped your thumbs in the way some one/thing told you to. Even weirder, that's not at all weird. It's the signiture move of your degeneration.
It never would have worked for me because my cartridges even back then were poorly treated and I often had to insert them 3 or 4 times before the game turned on.I was the retard Nintendo was worried about.
Fake and gay.
>>12265450Yes the child kept shitposting things google said
>>12264509this was a nice read>bk ice key is transferred to dk64, then to bt and future games in a chain>bk ice key unlocked the super jiggy in bt (replaced with mega glowbo in retail), to make the final jiggy count 101 and unlocks a new gag ending->bt did have all 6 eggs switches in spiral mountain hidden to start the cold swap with bk>we still don't know what any of the initial egg rewards would be, but they were still thrown in heggy's egg shed like final->dk64 gold dk bust unlocked dk and maybe others in bt multiplayer>bt was supposed to have a golden banjo bust to use in a future gamewe really really need a banjo tooie beta-also stop n swop vs controller pak was finally answered on that twitter thread.he wanted all players to be able to stop n swop, not just controller pak buyers.
I think the only outright new information in this document is that the DK bust was supposed to unlock DK in Banjo Tooie's multiplayer. And that the Mega Glowbo was originally planned to be a Super Jiggy.
>>12268984>this document>that OP printed out and stuck to his mom's fridge
>>12265102Maybe Jet Force Gemini? It would have come out around 2 months after the date shown on the pages here.
Provide a link, you retarded trannies, or this is just your mom's fridge.>uhhh actually it's @TrannyDickSuckerNo, post the direct source.
>>12269339>Trannies out of nowhereNobody asked you to project your transition to us.
>>12269348>out of nowhereNo, you are the most likely "people" next to jews to just randomly assert that some random shit is reality. (You) are the definition of "out of nowhere."
>>12269351Yes anon. Out of nowhere. https://x.com/Ghoulyboy/status/2003233190173962732Here's the source. Now keep your personal problems to yourself. We are not your therapists.
>>12269363>bitch faggot didn't post the source until three days laterGot you to own up to your own garbage. That's the first step. Also twitter is gay and all users of it belong in camps.
>>12269371Oh whoops I meant "xitter"
>>12269371Ill say it again: You are mentally ill.Now go enjoy Christmas with your loved ones. Im sure theyre worried about you.
>>12269378I'll say it again: you waited three days to reveal your troll. You are a faggot, you don't have friends or family, and you're projecting. Very sad.
>>12269380You didnt ask until 3 days later. Also Im not OP.
>>12269382I'm the first human to post in this thread.
>>12269363this is why you don't spoonfeed people
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>>12269694>spoonfeed>the entire thread hinges on it being realYou dumb bolshevik truth edgers are doing yourselves no favors.
>>12269694>>12270914Also, your definition of "spoonfeeding" is using Twitter. Think about that while you dilate tonight.
>>12264537>It requires kids to have the memory card, which was rather uncommonThe fuck it was, memory cards for 64 were incredibly common, I had two and I grew up in a dirt poor family and had to buy my own N64.
>>12264559(you) sound upset.
>>12264534This, and it's true. They knew what the deal was, just ask David braben.
>12268137>12268208>12268785>12269002>12269339>12269351>12269371>12269375>12269378>12269348>12269380>12269382>12269386>12269694>12270320>12270914>12270917All me btw. I fucking love arguing with myself.
>>12270320>>12270914>>12270917you guys really can't do the minimum and google "gregg mayles twitter"?it was even mentioned early in the thread at >>12264926huge evidence of don't spoon-feed retards, just let them talk to themselves
>>12271504>tard crying about spoonfeeding continues to try to spoon feedcant make this shit up
>>12266019>Instead they decided to do it on a console that didn't feature thisHow incredibly foolish of them to not put this feature into a game on a console that wouldn't even exist for 2-3 more years. They should have looked into the future and predicted this nonexistent feature on a nonexistent console. Truly, what were they thinking?
>>12271594in 2-3 more years you still won't be old enough for the 4chin
>>12272063These plans were printed out in 1999, so the creation of the plans must have been going on much longer, and the GBA didn't release until 2001. Wondering why Rare did this on the N64 instead of the GBA is fucking retarded. The only underage here is the one who wasn't alive at the time and doesn't understand the release timeline of these consoles at all.
>>12265952That was the Gameboy Camera compatibility. The GBC game's stuff wasn't cut.
>>12264509>>12264510>comic sans
>>12272127>The only underage here is meThere's no way you''re the only one.
>>12264893It could have worked if the lock-on only read the save data on the cart, to see if the relevant items had been unlocked, but I guess with how Rare was planning things it would've required them to make at least two games with the port on top, and that would be too expensive when even they weren't entirely sure of how many games would actually include this feature.
>>12266281Well it's not like it would've worked if they actually did. By 1999, first revision N64 consoles were already in the wild and changed it so the console only "retained" lingering data for a couple milliseconds instead of the 12-13 seconds Rare designed Stop N Swop around, not because Nintendo wanted to fuck them over but because the revision used different components that lose their charge faster than the original ones did. Even a robot couldn't swap cartridges that fast.I think if they spoke to Nintendo at the beginning they could've gone ahead and changed it to using a controller pak from the get-go, DK64 was too late to fix things.
>>12264513>>12274723As >>12268876 said, they wanted everyone to able to use it, not just Pak owners.
>>12274723>>12274780Its hilarious and confirms that Rareware knew about using Nintendo's hardware better than Nintendo themselves.
Stop n swap.avi
>>12274790We already knew that from Rare's N64 microcode running circles around Nintendo's once Nintendo actually handed it off to Rare.
>The player must...>...then they must...>they>they>theybit uncommon for the 90s, no? 'he must'? 'he or she must'?
Oh my
>>12274790A lot of people forget this, but Rareware were legitimately some of the best reverse-engineers in the gaming industry. These were the same guys who built their own NES devkit from scratch and functionally muscled their way into being a second-party Nintendo developer through sheer talent. Every time one of their games get decompiled, it leads to a lot of people who work on homebrew projects skimming through their code and shitting themselves at all of the optimization wizardry they managed to pull off in the 90s.
>>12272969Rare is not a serious company.
>>12276618For formal public documents like manuals that follow style guides, yes, but for less formal internal documents not intended to be seen by the public, no. Singular "they" has been used in informal writing and speech since the 14th century. The only unique thing today is faggots who try to use the existence of singular they to justify the erasure of all gendered pronouns (i.e., using "they" to refer to someone specific whose gender you know) and non-binary gender identity (people who think they can opt out of gendered language for themselves). But singular "they" has certainly been around literally ages before any of that troon faggotry came around.
>>12265102Conker would have been the logical choice since he was connected to DK and Banjo through Diddy Kong Racing. This was probably before the Bad Fur Day overhaul too.
>>12264509HOLY CRAP. That damn Ice Key nearly drove me to schizophrenia as a child. I dedicated all my time to uncovering the mysteries of Stop n Swap akin to a dying old man desperately seeking the fountain of youth
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>>12276618You’re a fucking retard.
