Nintendo is just as stupid as Sega for not including DVD on GameCube.
>Mikami: Another reason is GameCube is the only console able to play just game. I think, for users, it is hard to concentrate on playing games if you can watch DVD's on the console.
>>12301215Why would sega have put the DVD in GameCube?
>>12301215Was watching sharktale that big of a deal for zoombers? I didn't watcha single movie in any of my gen 7+ consoles despite being able to do so.
>>12301290He's probably referring to the Dreamcast.
>>12301215nintendo didn't want to pay the "dvd forum" royalties to use the license. the end.>>12301317they didn't use it for same reason as nintendo.
>>12301215Yeah but Nintendo is winning today who gives a fuck about 25 years ago. At least nintedo is still in hardware
>>12301223>game is more boring than movieswhat? no surely this is a mistranslation
>>12301353None of the companies are winning today. Even with crazy console sales Nintendo isn't pulling as much money as Gamepass does for raw profit. MS isn't selling consoles. Sony is also barely doing okay. They just hide it with other income streams. Nintendo has always been for kids, and ipads are replacing handhelds for toddlers now and the last 10 years)
>>12301215The licensing would have made the system more expensive, and they would have been required to make them all region locked.
>>12301317I get what he is saying but would Nintendo want sega to have a DVD while sega wants ninetendo to have a DVD. That doesn't make sense?
>>12301676sega and nintendo NEVER wanted dvd due to the cost of licensing the tech. op is a schizo retard that knows nothing about history.
It was pretty bad, yeah. I can't believe it took them until the Wii to get on the ball with that.
>>12301317They could've put it in the Sega CD
>>12301797>>12301968Sega should have included the VCD player expansion with every Saturn. Then they should have fired everyone at STI and converted the STI offices into an underground pachinko parlor. After all of Central California became hooked on pachinko they could have invested the earnings into contracts with record stores and blockbuster to establish the VCD as a dominant video format in the United States.And then the Saturn would have had its killer app, Mel Gibson's Braveheart 5-VCD Extended Cut.
>>12301387>MS isn't selling consolesWat?
>>12302003MS isn't selling consoles
>>12301223I do think there is a magical charm that’s been lost with recent consoles becoming more and more Jack of all trade machines versus just being a console.the dvd stuff is a nice option but it was the beginning of the end IMO and a foot in the door for companies to turn it into a platform that concentrates way too much on everythinf other than playing a game, like a streaming machine, or something to order pizza from. I’m sure you guys can think of more examples than I can since I’ve gone out of my way to ignore all of that stuff. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that later platforms lack a lot of identity when compared to the earlier consoles.I was using someone’s xb1 a while back and rolled my eyes when it supported twitch and if I remember right discord
>>12302029Modern consoles are basically computers but without the freedom unless your jail break it. So basically modern consoles are just Apple™ products.
>>12301996>Sega should have included the VCD player expansion with every Saturn.would have cost way too much money. despite existing in various forms it was never popular. video cd was obsolete by 1996 when dvd arrived.>>12302035>Modern consoles are basically computersthey're computers you can't have fun with>So basically modern consoles are just Apple™ products.exactly this but the faggotry dial is turned up to maximum
>>12302029While I agree that a charm has been lost, by your logic, how did the 3DO and CDi fail?
>>12302179You could argue both sides regarding if there is any merit to it, the switch which I feel is a half assed console is more or less just games compared to the other consoles (to my knowledge) and is supposedly selling really well. compared to the other consoles at the very least it seems to be the most dedicated to simply playing games.Then you have the ps2 which sold the most of any console up until now or maybe still has the record and many people say it’s because it also played dvds in addition to being a game console.my only real point I’m making is everythinf being equal the more shit people try to make a console do the more resources and time I think get taken away from just making it excel at doing what people mainly buy it for which is simply playing games.
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>>12302179If only NEC PC-FX have partnership with Sony
>>12301215>and make it ungodly costlyGreat idea, really, making sure basically noone will buy it.They should have released the Q or sth similar outside of Japan as an option tho for the few customers who actually WANT a GC with a DVD player and can also PAY for it as well
>>12301215Sega was not stupid at all, dvd was not economically viable for sega. Nintendo was fucking stupid though, there was no reason whatsoever for GC to use small discs, they could have made them full size.
>>12301215PS2 actually looked cool as a DVD playerThis... Eh, not really living room friendly for "normies"
>>12301215Were there ACTUALLY any GameCube games that were limited by not being on DVD?
>>12302450I take your point but the player is very 2000s and would look right at home next to my 5 disk cd player.
>>12302506No one released a gamecube game that could only be played on DVD anon
>>12301215But then poorfags like you wouldn't have been able to afford it.
>>12302506Gamecube had the most limited version of Splinter Cell Double Agent. Levels were simplified and split into smaller sections with less guards compared to the Xbox version, and it lacked the bonus cargo ship level which the PS2 got.
>>12301215The real question is why the *fuck* did nintendo not include a vhs player in the super nintendo?
>>12301215Perhaps that's why Xbox total sales surpassed the Gamecube.
>>12302450Normies LOVED shit that looked like that from like 1998-2001. Every overpriced shitty CD player from that period looked exactly like that. Every kiosk in the mall and the Sharper Image sold shit that exclusively looked like that. My mom had a CD player she ordered with a 55 Gallon trashbag full of Virginia Slims UPCs that looked like that.
>>12302450Going to have to agree with >>12303909 here. That aesthetic was very common for anything billing itself as premium at the time. Hell, here's a Sony DVD player from 2002 that my family had.
>>12301215We talked about this for years zoomzoom, you didn't need DKYG to tell you thathttps://youtu.be/8UsYSf8C3D4?si=_ICKSEw4-r7fC_s7
>>12301215Pokemon Colleseum flopped despite doing Pokemon first and being westslop and Janes Turdner brought nothing but shit to the franchise until he got fired.
>>12302506My unc at Nintendo said Melee DX was in the works but got cancelled because HAL fired Sakurai over it's dog shit sales for Kirby Air Ride
>>12303867But look, they made you pay extra for a "remote," which was really just a way to make people pay for the license.
>>12302035I mean, yeah, that's pretty much every console since the original Xbox (sans Wii).
>>12301215>Nintendo is just as stupid as Sega for not including a juice box on GameCube for the literal babies that bought it.
>>12301215The small media allowed the console to have the fastest loading times possible without a hard drive to cache, hell it even beats acual generation consoles with SSDshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEphH1qfdmk&t=3s
>>12301215Nearly nothing and nobody was using DVD in 1998. And Gamecube just used a DVD offshoot in minidisc form.Also, licensing etc etc. Definitely wasn't happening on the Dreamcast. DVD players fuck expensive as fuck in the 90s.
>>12301215The so-called "DVD player" (aka Playstation 2) sold a total of 1.5 billion games.Meanwhile, the Xbox sold 270 million and the Gamecube, 210 million.Good games sell video games. That's a fact. You don't go to mcdonalds to eat pizza, just as you don't buy a video game console to watch movies.Including DVDs in the Gamecube would only increase Nintendo's financial losses.>>12302029>to turn it into a platform that concentrates way too much on everythinf other than playing a gameYour logic is flawed by statisticsFollowing your logic, software sales should have decreased, which is not true.With each new generation of consoles, software sales increased.
>>12307159>Including DVDs in the Gamecube would only increase Nintendo's financial losses.Agreed, but the Gamecube wasn't wasn't a financial loss. A market share loss though.They do pretty good at mitigating their losses by having a great games division and focusing on that rather than competing with hardware.Really they're the only ones sticking to being a "gaming console" rather than trying to sell you a platform to do twitch streams and social media bullshit.
>>12302003They're for sale but no one is buying. They've raised the price twice already.
>>12307159Nothing with my logic is flawed fag (yeah that’s right I said it) the more that consoles concentrate on other features the more spread out the resources are and the less attention that goes into making any one thing function well. and it saps the identity and character out of the machine. the PlayStation 2 only played dvds (in addition to playing games) so I’m not surprised it was still a good gaming console. My argument though was that the more shit they add in the worse the gaming experience ends up being and the worse the experience ends up feeling. There is a tipping point you need to decide for yourself where you think that is though.You can also argue maybe the fact that the ps2 has the worst graphics is partially them trying to save money because they crammed in a fucking dvd player instead of focusing on the hardware used to play the fucking games. I like the console a lot but it looks like dogshit compared to the GameCube and Xbox which sucks because it could have been perfect with its extensive library.but regardless it still functioned well despite that- for the time the graphics were still decent, had an excellent library. the dvd interface was terrible though and shitty feeling if you compared it to just using a dedicated unit and that is another example of what I’m talking about. I’m not surprised it sold so much because it was the first console that came out and was cheaper than many dvd players at the time of course a lot of people bought it. but dvd player isnt the point the point is it was the start of a slippery slope that led to where we are today and you missed that point somehow which I don’t understand how managed but impressive I guess
>>12307307>argue maybe the fact that the ps2 has the worst graphics is partially them trying to save money because they crammed in a fucking dvd playerThe PS2 has worse graphics because it was released almost 2 years before the GameCube and the Xbox.A simple DVD movie player compatibility probably represented 5% of the system's development process.We cannot forget that the early PS2 models has the PS1 chips. Making it natively backwards compatible. Imagine how difficulty it was to integrate everything.Nintendo should have done the same with Gamecube by simply including a DVD drive instead of developing a completely new optical disc format. They could have used the resources invested in that to make the Gamecube natively compatible with the SNES and N64 cartridges.Therefore, claiming that the PS2 started this trend of distancing from being a device primary for gaming related activities is simply not true.
>>12307667>developing a completely new optical disc format.They didn't>They could have used the resources invested in that to make the Gamecube natively compatible with the SNES and N64 cartridges.They couldn'tYou're a very stupid child
>>12302161There's a kidding tell if you didn't notice
>>12301215>Nintendo is stupid for avoiding paying any tribute to Sony for the DVD loicense
>>12301215Are you an idiot? I can't even imagine how badly a Nintendo console with a DVD drive would have fared.
>>12307226Weren't gamepass and backward compatibility supposed to solve it?
>>12301215Internetz furst huh?
>>12303817IIRC didn't they try to make up for it by making exclusive content for that version with the GBA to GC connector?
>>12309263Yup. This is why the GameCube release is generally considered the definitive version among Splinter Cell fans.
>>12307149Mini disc is a complete different thing. GCN uses mini DVDs. It’s a certain spec just like mini CD was as wellThe ps2 having a DVD player was huge and people either are not remembering it or are too young to understand what a big deal it was. I still have an XBONE connected to my TV because it’s my main video device. Blu-ray, DVD, movies off an SSD, has streaming apps that I don’t use, Apple Music native app. And it plays games. It’s a great device. Now they want you to stream and rent everything so it’s less important but if you watch blu-rays an Xbox is niceIf Dreamcast had a DVD player sega would still be in the hardware business. GD-roms were also just modified CDs though, used the same red laser as music CDs, not related to dvd at all.
>>12301387>Nintendo isn't pulling as much money as Gamepass does for raw profitMicrosoft cooks the numbers. They don't factor in game development costs or missed game sales from devaluing the product through game pass. PS5 is more profitable than PS4 (and any other playstation in history), spending just shifted to add ons and live service.
>>12309308>If Dreamcast had a DVD player sega would still be in the hardware businessThey wouldn't, they were in debt. DVD would have driven up the cost and by 1999 they were internally already discussing going third party. Consoles had already moved away from arcade driven software and nothing was going to stop the launch of the PS2 from being massive. They had to get it right with the Saturn but made too many mistakes.
>>12302161>despite existing in various forms it was never popular. video cd was obsolete by 1996 when dvd arrived.You have no idea what you're talking about. VCDs massively outsold DVDs in most of Asia until the late 2000s, because the format was so much cheaper. Half of all Chinese households owned at least one VCD player in 2005.
>>12309308>The ps2 having a DVD player was huge and people either are not remembering it or are too young to understand what a big deal it was.It wasn't for two major facts: 1. the Xbox has DVD and only sold 4 million more units than the Gamecube. 2. by 2001, a regular dvd player was already 1/3 of the PS2 launch price, even cheaper in 2002.
>>12309545>>12309696Cmon guys. It's 2026. You should know better than to try to argue with children parroting bullshit they saw on youtube. Mock it and move on.
>>12301215>literally Gamecube 32X
>>12307760nta, yes they could've but chose not to, zoomie.
>>12309825yesThe idea that the ps2's DVD player was relevant through the generation is exactly the misinformation widely spread to zoomers by youtubers.In the first 3 to 6 months after its release, it's easy to understand the appeal of the ps2 as a 2-in-1 product with a reasonable cost benefit aspect, but biased tards need to stop thinking about only the top of the line, multifunctional sony and panosonic dvd players when comparing it to the ps2 price. The citizen had a chinese Apex dvd player
>>12307667>They could have used the resources invested in that to make the Gamecube natively compatible with the SNES and N64 cartridges.That would been less tangible then swallowing their pride and paying Sony DVD fees so they could use them for the GCN.
>>12309308>Mini disc is a complete different thing.I forgot that it was a thing at all when I typed it. I just meant miniature disc.
>>12301347>nintendo didn't want to pay the "dvd forum" royalties to use the license. the end.and at the time the decision was to be made, there wasnt any indication of demand to justify
>>12310732That’s fair I just loved mini disc as a kid, my dad was a musician so he had tech like that and I thought it was way better than CDs. More portable and wouldn’t skip either. But no one outside the musician world really knew about them and I guess the quality was already only high bit rate mp3 and by the 2000s even the cd 16 bit audio was sort of outdated (although it’s still a common format now somewhat). They also didn’t adapt to data use like cd-rom and dvd rom properlyBut anyone refuting the DVD player aspect is a huge bullshitter. Xbox was new and untrusted back then. PS2 was the most looked forward to system even by non-Sony fans. The first kid I knew with one with one was a big Nintendo nerd since it was “the future”. I convinced my parents to get me one specifically with that we could sushi watch DVD’s on it (and later that year they got a multi disc dvd surround sound system). I didn’t know anyone growing up with an OG Xbox except this neighbor of my dad’s. PS2 was everywhere and younger kids or people with Flanders for parents got the GCN. Xbox was like one notch above sega Saturn for “who has actually seen one of these in person?” there was no $99 made in China DVD players back then either the shit was legit expensive. They were also a CD player which was still relevant then. The cheap 40 dollar dvd player junk items was a 2010s thing. Even a later 00’s thing but when the ps2 launched there were not $100 dvd players.
>>12310809Sushi was some auto correct error from especially
>>12310809>when the ps2 launched there were not $100 dvd players.See (pic related), or just scroll up a bit from your post. >>12309975
>>12309972How much did they invest in this "completely new optical disc format" you imagine they created?
Always loved the way Galaxy handled movement. This covers it pretty decently: https://youtu.be/qq8oLKqySrw
