DOOM THREAD / RETRO FPS THREAD - Last thread: >>12304716Doom/Quake/Duke/Heretic/Hexen/Unreal/Sam/Half-Life/etcGameplay, WADs/Maps/Mods, Source PortsAll other 90s FPS welcome~ Let's post like gentlemen ~FAQ/GENERAL GUIDEhttps://rentry.org/vrbinSO YOU WANT TO PLAY SOME FUCKING DOOM(or Quake, Duke, Marathon, Deus Ex)https://imgur.com/a/wWS8zXzSame thing, in video format:https://youtu.be/ietb4JwaaXAhttps://youtu.be/DhOjleMqwdQhttps://youtu.be/CGj4gXyCzg0== GAMES/RESOURCES ==DOOM Quickstart (IWADs etc): https://mediafire.com/file/wuniyrhsjjgq4y8QUAKE Trilogy FAQ: https://pastebin.com/Ucb11XhUPortaDOOM:https://github.com/Kroc/PortaDOOM/releasesHALF-LIFE (GoldSrc) Anthology:https://mega.nz/file/GRUCGbAY#RhOiqxnf7UPOiXcJNbRh-prKIEVRhjJaEpAkt34lyZg4CHAN DOSPACK + Win98 games:https://mega.nz/#F!3t8nzSIS!947kyMN6Z80f8HS7q2XlqAAssorted /vr/ shooters, mods, etc:https://mega.nz/#F!QXIk1bjB!NHRWGIfjcc77PyGgRlga4Qhttps://mega.nz/#F!GtEQTISJ!CCJGyPEEEsZasc1PMXicUAMIDI COLLECTIONShttps://files.catbox.moe/2hul76.ziphttps://mega.nz/file/dWQ3SThI#qYcpa4eGQj6ElyRZgjGqszR59dh4Fq9D3qXYee54kZQhttps://archive.org/details/archiveteam-geocities-midi-collection-2009https://archive.org/details/midiru-archive-2022-02-25.7z== INFO/LINKS ==OFFICIAL DOOM WIKIhttps://doomwiki.org/WHERE TO FIND WADSVanilla/Boom: https://doomworld.com/forum/4-wads-mods/ZDoom: https://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=19/idgames: https://doomworld.com/idgames/MODDING RESOURCEShttps://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=37https://realm667.com/== /VR/DOOM COMMUNITY ==THREAD ARCHIVEShttps://desuarchive.org/vr/search/text/"doom+thread"/type/op/OUR WADS/MODShttps://rentry.org/vrdepotMAKING NEW THREADS PROPERLYhttps://pastebin.com/8mDnrsrBIMAGE/WAD DATABASEhttps://vrdoom.booru.org/https://clovr.xyz/wadsup/MULTIPLAYER SERVERSUS West: https://clovr.xyz/CA/US Midwest: https://macgu.fun/
=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===Duke It Out in /vr/Game : DN3D | Deadline : March 1st 2026 (extended)Tile/Con pack: https://files.catbox.moe/thm4q7.zipRules: https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/11835634=== CURRENT RELEASES ===SUB MORTEM : A Dead Simple Halloween ProjectGame : Doom 2 | MBF21RC2: https://files.catbox.moe/bdpde1.zipDeep /vr/ied PotatoGame : Doom 2 | MBF21RC1: https://files.catbox.moe/3fml1f.zipNow on iDGames!https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=21835=== NEWS ===[09-01] - No Time 2 Freeze released, a winter megawad by the Russian Doom communityhttps://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/156801-no-time-2-freeze-community-project-mbf21-32-maps-out-now/[01-03] Quake Brutalist Jam 3 releasedhttps://www.slipseer.com/index.php?resources/quake-brutalist-jam-iii.549/[01-03] Ironwail 0.8.1 releasedhttps://github.com/andrei-drexler/ironwail/releases/tag/v0.8.1[01-02] Chocolate Quakeworld releasedhttps://github.com/Henrique194/chocolate-quakeworld[01-02] Riddle of Revenge released, a My Chemical Romance-themed mod (strangely enough)https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/156692-riddle-of-revenge/[12-31] vkQuake 1.33.1 releasedhttps://github.com/Novum/vkQuake/releases/tag/1.33.1[12-30] Divine Twilight Chapter 1 updated with a new custom-made soundtrackhttps://simplici7y.com/items/divine-twilight-chapter-1/https://simplici7y.com/items/divine-twilight-ost-plugin/[12-26] Odamex's v12 update is out, adding stuff like DSDhacked supporthttps://github.com/odamex/odamex/releases/tag/12.0.0[12-25] The Triad's Reliquary released, a large single-player maphttps://www.moddb.com/mods/the-triads-reliquary=== PREVIOUS ===https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0TO SUBMIT NEWS, REPLY TO THIS POST
>>12311140>[09-01] - No Time 2 Freeze released, a winter megawad by the Russian Doom communityJesus fuck, it's September already?
>>12311158
If your map has literal multiple thousands of monsters (and it's not for some gimmick like a big crusher) fuck you.
>>12311170the gimmick is the bfg and rocket launcher
>>12311224That gimmick is for hundreds, not thousands. If my finger gets tired from holding the mouse button down, your map sucks.
>>12311139>>> CLASSIC DOOM CHALLENGE <<< This time, instead of a max demo, just boot up Doom 2 while recording (-cl2) and see how far you can get in a single segment. You don't need to get all kills or secrets, though they may be helpful. Winner is whoever makes it furthest, or whoever beats the game fastest, I suppose.Reply to this post with a demo & your time.Current records and more examples can be found here:https://dsdarchive.com/wads/doom2?level=D2AllHere's an example demo by me where I foolishly die early on to a big spider. This is my first run, I've never really routed Doom2 before, so it should be easy to beat. https://files.catbox.moe/e4uoz8.lmpWinner of the previous challenge last thread (didn't beat my time, but wins by default): >>12305808I figure this is perhaps the only wad people are familiar enough with they can get reasonably far in a single segment without practice. If people like this idea maybe we can try with the other iwads.
>>12311260No no no, I've got a better challenge. You play the game of your choice on the hardest difficulty, and every time you take damage, you punch yourself in the balls. If you're not sterile by the end of the game, you win.
>>12311260The /vr/ Ironman League dies to Doom II: Hell On Earth
>>12311170>>12311228If there are that many monsters you are probably meant to make them kill each other. Monster infighting is less efficient than the player's attacks, but it scales extremely well, to the point of being "embarrassingly parallel".
>>12310004i heard kind of confusing stories about thisbut i admit i sort of bounced off of Wrath despite on paper liking ithope the new project is fun, i like gorillas and the quake 2 regular shotgun so that's a plus already lol>>12310120I haven't found it eitheri saw one sigil that said "nails" but the only hub map secret I found was a hidden religious poop bucket
>>12311268Oh rest assured, anon. I've fought in enough arenas by now that I understand the value of making monsters infight. It's a feature I appreciate in user maps, utilized a lot more than it was in the base games. But if they use a ton of the same monster (assuming it's not zombies) the infighting breaks down a lot.Right now I'm burning out on another wad because every goddamn room is a mega fucking ambush with unreasonable shit like 50 archies surrounded by a ring of chaingunners.
NT2F old map10 is awesome. I was thinking to do a uv tyson challenge for it due to how ridiculously overpowered first/chainsaw/pistol are, but other anon beat me to it. Anyway, I recommend everyone to play it (tyson-style!)
>>12311292I really like the Archvile and turret that lay down delayed explosives. I hope this wad introduces some other interesting enemies.
>>12311260>>12311264dead on map12 with 17/100 kills after 1:33.reached map12 in 32:54.MAP01 - 1:11.37 ( 1:11) K: 27/27 I: 8/9 S: 5/5MAP02 - 2:10.23 ( 3:21) K: 80/90 I: 17/20 S: 1/1MAP03 - 2:21.86 ( 5:42) K: 68/78 I: 2/9 S: 1/1MAP04 - 1:42.40 ( 7:24) K: 53/55 I: 25/34 S: 3/3MAP05 - 3:59.51 (11:23) K: 96/118 I: 3/3 S: 3/3MAP06 - 4:12.83 (15:35) K: 92/112 I: 3/17 S: 3/3MAP07 - 2:05.17 (17:40) K: 19/19 I: 5/6 S: 1/1MAP08 - 3:06.94 (20:46) K: 93/142 I: 4/5 S: 2/7MAP09 - 4:34.86 (25:20) K: 113/205 I: 18/47 S: 0/6MAP10 - 4:15.43 (29:35) K: 126/261 I: 47/100 S: 7/18MAP11 - 3:19.03 (32:54) K: 51/71 I: 2/21 S: 2/3https://files.catbox.moe/ohg096.ZIP
>>12311260i died to The Pit https://files.catbox.moe/36k0do.lmp
>>12311139Friendly reminder QBJ3 is made by trannies who are actively patrolling these threads. Friendly reminder most Quake 1 projects are made by Fairweather and his tranny cabal. If you see his name anywhere, simply call the fucker out and move on.
>>12311512So what does that make you?
Does UZDoom have any new scripting / modding features yet?
>>12311514A chaser, I think it's called.
>>12311292I missed downloading the old version before map 10 got removed. Was it just the one section that was copy pasted from eviternity? Any ways to still play it?
>>12311520I got it, one sec.> https://files.catbox.moe/oo8pkp.zipHere ya go.
>>12311523Thank you.
>>12311523"Too Hot For Doomworld Edition"Thanks
>>12311228Maybe your dinky little fingers need some exercise.
>>12311516Ask again in an year or two.
>>12311516The changes so far
>>12311561What's so security critical about it?
>>12311639Probably some more arbitrary code execution shit, older versions of GZDoom had that problem.
>>12311639If you don't upgrade it makes a bunch of hypersensitive snowflake trannies feel insecure and invalidated, gives them panic attacks, and makes them cry.
>>12311643I guess that makes sense, but I don't exactly go rushing out to grab whatever GzD mod I can find to run on a whim, certainly not stuff which others haven't already been playing, so I don't see myself at any particular risk.>>12311649Give it a rest, you annoying faggot.
>>12311660I don't think anyone's actually had any sort of misfortune happen to them during the period of time when these exploits are discovered, but it's one of those things where the team jumps on that shit immediately to fix it because it's a bad look.I mean fuck if I released a mod that had a 0 tic loop in it that crashed the game or some shit like that I'd update it immediately and tell people to download it posthaste.
>>12311670>I don't think anyone's actually had any sort of misfortune happen to themI was mid-asking about this. Hard to imagine anyone actually running out to use GZDoom as an attack vector.That's good, at least.
>>12311643Since ZScript has been added there's been at least three of those.>>12311683I know at least one of them allowed just replacing any file on your hard drive with demo files, pretty comprehensive way to fuck people's shit up.
>>12311660It's suspicious. They use fearmongering tactics to scare you into upgrading in haste, thus sneaking unwanted features past you until it's too late. You can't possibly object to this update, it fixes a remote code exploitation vulnerability! Except that is only triggerable in 0.001% of circumstances, but then you run the game and find Doomguy wears a dress and has pronouns.
>>12311719Geez. Kinda makes me worry about when other ports will start wanting their own little versions of ZScript.
>>12311275>I haven't found it eitherI found the Nightmare option (It's pretty obvious) I just thought it was going to be something boring as usual. Turns out Enemies have completely new behaviours on Nightmare.
>>12311759Not everything has to be a conspiracy that involves your obsession with transexuals you fucking clown. Seek help.
>>12311895https://lunaran.com/copper/changes/#nightmareThe jam seems once again heavily based off of Copper, and it's newest branch does more than set the max HP to 50.
>>12311759definitely chuckled
>>12311512yep avoid the shitseers like you would avoid medusas stare. the trannies are out for blood and will permavan you from their safe spaces through mere telepathy
>>12311913I'll keep using slipseer just because it triggers you. Whoops!
>>12311915so when are u gonna permavan me from here. u know it was not right to do that in your dickscord
>Oh, its just an attention whore that can't stop thinking about transexualsNevermind!
>>12311759Occam's Razor, my demented friend, suggests they're touting the security update part as trying to make UzD look more legitimate and developed than GzD (whether it substantially is or not). Making themselves look more competent than Graf is most likely their Number 1 priority right now.I imagine that if they're gonna do any troonery shit, they're gonna be too lazy to make an entire Troonguy spriteset (player sprites, HUDface, weapons, and all, that shit is a lot of work), and rather just add it as one of the gender options and call it a day. Given the wide range of 'subjectivity' you can see with nupronoun bullshit, they might allow for the player to just add custom genders and pronouns, so someone can correctly identify as Imp/Impself.If ZScript can identify a player's selected gender and then execute things based on that, this could potentially be used for all kinds of hilarious shenanigans, if you were so inclined.
>>12311921only trannies like faggot makkoona matata with AI texture slop would fail to release a 2gb+ download properly, ruining the rocket launcher, and with maps that soft lock themselves. this is entirely about u and ur tranny goons watching these threads 247 lmao. what are you talking about.
>>12311937makkoona matata is a great meme, but real talk if 2GB downloads die on people it's their fault. they just need more mirrors or offer a torrent.
Posting in a /pol/ thread.
>>12311931>my demented friendHey! I have schizophrenia, not dementia.>Making themselves look more competent than Graf is most likely their Number 1 priority right nowThat is actually very insightful & I am persuaded.>they're gonna be too lazy to make an entire Troonguy spritesetWe can but hope, but we must never underestimate the zeal of those pushing an ideology.I agree with the rest of your post.
>>12312040>brutalist retarded>start using qbj3>megaman generator>always drama>brazillian high
>>12312051They after that shalrussy hell no
>>12312061nigga...
>>12312040>shitseerMy fellow slipseer sister, or should I say, shitseer shitster?
>>12312069You gay if you wouldn't fuck the new shalrath model my esteemed fellow Afro-American
>>12312114actually that would make u a disgruntled tranny lesbian looking for tighter shit stained pussy. I could swing off that shit like tarzan
I just barely started QBJ3...someone post that particular model so I know what to keep my eyes open for...>>12312051I love that shotgun. It fun.
>>12312125Why cacodemons are so cute?
>>12312137>I love that shotgun. It fun.I wouldn’t mind if its spread was just slightly more narrow. You’ve REALLY got to be in someone’s grill to have all those pellets hit. I guess the tradeoff is having more consistently staggered enemies through the mod’s Copper origins, and it does work well when you’re getting rushed by a swarm of those melee zombiethings.
I'm just not going to use it (ZScript), sorry but not sorry
>>12312172I never claimed to be a woman. But you did demonstrate you can't stop thinking about transexuals though.
>>12312040>post bad project>trannies scene looking brutalahaha this is a good one
>>12312161Your UZGame will never make it I'm afraid...
>>12312161If it doesn't work on Chocolate doom its not Doom
>>12312051What even is that?
>>12312212a vore blogging!
>>12312179>I never claimed to be a womanTHEN WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS IN THEIR BATHROOM
>>12312212
>>12312218Horrors beyond imagination...
>>12312216I don't go in womens bathrooms anon. I command you to continue to demonstrate how much transexuals live rent free in your head.
>>12312157Shooting it really reminded me of a more spammy Flak Cannon, which isn't so bad but yeah, a tighter pattern with the pellets instead of a sprinkler system would have been nice at the sacrifice of some volume in favor of stopping power. But it's okay. I can kill the weird mouth monolith things with it if I have good conditions but could use a tweak.That classic shotgun design though is beautiful.
>>12312179That hate is all he has left to try and cope with his empty life, don't be taking that away from him, Anon.
>>12312229Those eyes are so far apart it kills any sense of focus. Ranger is supposed to look alert. Bitch looks like she's perpetually buffering bsp files
>>12312218Oh. Oh no.
>>12312161That's fine, I don't know how to use ZScript either, I'm just gonna stick with my simplistic Decorate, and then DecoHacked.>>12312240>Bitch looks like she's perpetually buffering bsp fileslmao, I'll have to remember that one
>>12312229Cute.>>12312218>>12312242
>>12312240>bsp filesYou are such a nerd.
>>12312245Reminds me of that guy who's waifu was an archvile with tits. Cacobro or something?
>>12312246calling someone a nerd for knowing bsps in a quake thread is the funniest self-report of the day. got any more of that insecure and delicious irony nigga?
>>12312258I'm stunned your skin is so thin it's just a membrane. It was jokes. Why you mad nerd?
>>12312258He might be mad he didn't think of it himself.
>>12312262>Why you mad nerd?Like answer is hating Slipseer jams, unlikely schizo brainrot answer is hating the imgur link
>>12312262What does he say when activated?
>>12312218>>12312245
>>12312279I like the rebar stuck in him. I killed a few of those yesterday but couldn't get a good look at them. Creative model. >>12312286https://youtu.be/NRkY5ExbzF8
>>12312279One of the guys who submitted a map got assmad about the Family Guy map(s) having homosex jokes in them, ranted and raved about the gay mafia and was subsequently banned off of SlipseerWe may have him as an esteemed guest in our thread
>>12312296Jesus Christ. At the end of the day, it's just games. How fragile is the machinery of their mind?
>>12312296holy basedcan't say i couldn't understand a spergout given the dogshit map
>fag-enabling in mods is fine and 'just games'>being against this is /pol/ and 'fragile'This is all horribly transparent.
>>12312296Was he upset that people were making fun of the gays, or that any gay jokes were enabling the "gay mafia"?
>>12312319holy esl
I love slipseer
>>12311260I'm upsethttps://files.catbox.moe/e8soqa.lmpI guess that's why they call it "Gotcha!"
>>12312353Oh fucking hell man that's harshI don't think I've ever had that happen except when I was trying to trigger it intentionallyAnd then the rocket launcher didn't even work properly! I burst out laughing at that point.I hope you end up winning, you deserve to after that.
Don't think I wanna do the challenge this time, it's just gonna be me slowly maxing out Doom 2.
>>12312364You don't have to max it
>>12312367I know I don't have to, but it's just my default instinct when sitting my ass down to play some Doom 2 on continuous, it's etched deep into my brain, you see.
>beat the second mission>go back to the landing pad to be scooped up>notice some Imperial officers who hadn't been shot yet so I walk over to them to get rid of them>mission ends in the middle of everything>the next mission isn't unlockedUh...did I miss something here? WTF.
>>12312379Oh I see, you have the same affliction as I do.When I did my run I kept having to remind myself "you don't have to do this / go after that, just leave!"
>>12312040one day there will be Duke in the middle
>>12311558Last time I gave something a year it hasn't come back.
>>12312380you got meme'd into playing shovelware by unironic boomerssee also: redneck rampage
>>12312380Haven't played DF in like 20 years so idk what that could be, but I think it's hilarious how they didn't even try to hide the awful AI upscaling on the cover art.
>>12312417Wow, they didn't even try did they? That looks BAD.
>>12312417Of course they didn't, it's Nightdive.
>>12311649You sound like you are having a panic attack.
>>12312380You playing the Dumpsterdive remaster? Pretty sure you need to press a button in the menu to end a mission in the original.Wouldn't be the first time they added new bugs in their """definitive""" editions.
>>12312306Far as I can tell, it's just like lolcows and the people who watch them: the difference is only in the title, because they both generate endless amounts of lols>>12312307It's a shitpost map but I liked it honestly, got a knight to slip on the banana>>12312319I think he was reaching for anything to say QBJ3 was turbogay honestlyI'm still having fun in concrete land, lads, will be sad when I close this jam out
pretty funny how on slipseer qbj3 gets nothing but pats on the back resulting in 5/5s
>>12312501Concrete land is a lot of fun. I liked Alkaline a lot too.
>>12312474It's a toggle you can set. For the first mission I had it just play until I told it to advance but for the second I tried the automatic feature only for it to do that and negate everything I already did.
>>12311260>>12312353https://files.catbox.moe/xsezax.lmpI used -recordfromto to continue playing right before the softlock, and made it to the end. But technically that makes it a TAS.Also got all kills and secrets, except I had a brainfart in map27 and forgot about the 30-second secret.
>>12312505Mention Ter Shib, Nyarlathotep, the doom 3 hell map, or Altar around xhem and watch the spergout
Is the Quake 4 in Quake II demake still going on? Saw some info about it here a few months ago and thought it looked really cool.
>>12312618The jam was a failure, so one of the guys behind it is just making stuff by himself I guess. No idea where it's at.
>>12312652I told ya, but sprony is a moron.
MAAAAAAAAAAAAAZUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU345 MINUTESMAAAAAAAAAAAZUUUUUUUUUUUUUUpretty cool shit btw, loved the secret hunt even if I couldn't find 15 of them, albeit having to go for a long while with just the pistol was somewhat a grind
>>12312618>>12312652It's called Q4Lite now and will basically be whole Q4 campaign redone in Q2. Supposedly getting released this year, but we'll see.
>>12312245>>12312218head too much like doom 2016should have been closer to the oiginal
>>12312716looks a lot better than the shitty player character, at least
>>12312161>>12312204>>12312243at least mbf21 exists
>>12311139
wtf is this? Mutated giblets?
>>12312829Garg took a dump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61amWGUL3vs
>>12312829unbreaded chicken nuggets
>>12312829Tendies!
>>12312743What? You don't think some frumpy mesoamerican dyke with alien eyes makes a good main character?
>>12312417They didn't use AI. It's pretty well known that they re-rendered everything.But no one can actually recognize AI anymore so we're fucking cooked bros frfr.
>>12312851>frumpy mesoamerican dyke with alien eyesLmao well phrased
>>12312890uh huh... Whatever cheapass 'artist' they hired definitely would never lie about not using AI.And Nigdive surely would never back that lie to cover their own ass.
>>12312618>Quake 4 in Quake IIWhat is even the appeal of this
>>12312931You don't want a custom campaign for Quake 2? The hell man?
>>12312931>announce jam dedicated to game that nobody liked and most haven't played since it came out>supposed to remake slow, boring, linear levels in a much faster game that lends itself to openness>encourage spamming dynamic lights everywhere despite them looking ugly without textures that react to them>get literally 1 finished map submissionApparently there wasn't any appeal. >>12312943>just accept this giant turd on a plate bro>it's cooked and breaded, nothing like the original bro>it's more content broGib yourself, quaddniggur.
>>12312829Fatbergs.
>>12312943Might be interesting if it's the idea of the Q4 campaign with the modern "fat" trimmed from it. I'm really looking forward to Return to Perdition which is more "Q1 in my Q2".
>>12312905I like that Jabba is now a force ghost instead of a hologram.
>>12312992What I'm saying is, Doom 64 for Doom II is a great wad.
>>12312998It is actually yeah it surprised meI thought it'd be terrible and obnoxiously hard but it wasn'tI ended up really enjoying it
>>12313006So there's a possibility Q4 for Q2 will be fun.
>>12313010Oh right yeah I see what you meanSorry I am a different poster from who you were speaking to beforeI rather butted in, it was rude, I am sorry
>>12312998Is there a "Doom 3 for Doom 2"? That might be more of a fair comparison. D64 is basically classic Doom gameplay so it makes sense that D64D2 translates so well. You might even be able to argue it's an objective improvement since it puts the missing monsters back in.Quakulf tried a test map for KexQ2 using extracted Q4 textures. It translated surprisingly well. I also prefer Q2's gameplay much more than Q4's so it might be a similar but much more objective improvement in the gameplay department.
>>12312040>discord anon playing tranny point
>>12312417It's weird because they redid all the CG cutscenes from scratch, so you'd think they would've redone the box art render too.
>>12312890if they re-rendered everything, then they did an impressively shit job.
>>12313040None of those CG cutscenes have people in them. Anyone with enough technical inclination can wrangle Blender to model basic architecture or blocky spaceships and figure out how to move them around with keyframes. Most of that is pretty intuitive, and there's a gorillion tutorials out there.But most intuitiveness goes out the window when you have to model, rig, and animate characters like those stormtroopers on the cover. That will take the average person MUCH longer than even the biggest, most greebly space ship. Nightdive is about as cheap as non-indie developers get (only beaten by Aspyr) so they probably found a really cheap 2D artist to definitely not AI upscale the still frames, and got whoever on their team who fucks around in Blender occasionally to do the 3D stuff - which you'll notice has much less polish in animation compared to the originals despite the higher resolution.
Instead of playing Q4s shitty maps in Q2 I'd rather someone mod Q4 so it didn't have a shitty linear campaign.
>>12313093>mod the linear campaign out of Q4>then put that into Q2having cake and eating it too
>>12313093Doesn't Quake 4 require some shitty, barely functional editor to map for it because nothing more modern has bothered to support it?Or maybe I'm thinking of Wolf09.
>mod Q4 so it didn't have a shitty linear campaign.I thought that Doom 3 Phobos mod was exactly that but they decided to go more exploration/puzzles like Half-Life which...is what Doom 3 was anyway?>>12313096>Q4 Redux>Q4 Redux DemakeI can see the vision
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5Jtc7wTbQ8
>>12313101Q4 uses the inbuilt idTech 4 editor same as Doom 3. I think Raven excluded that from Wolf '09.
>>12312998I love being in the UK
>>12313145Don't worry, the governments of other countries are prepping to fuck over people there too.VPNs are going to get real popular soon, I fear.
>>12313150What are you going to VPN to when every country does it?
>>12313150They'll ban VPNs too.
>>12313145LOL mate I am right there with youI reckon some people do this deliberately, just to spite us. Like the French.
>>12312905Smart blur/oilify, cleaned up, edge detect or cartoon filter and probably cleaned a little more. Kinda lazy, but not AI.And it's not a 3D render, which is what the cover is. The 3D parts are all re-rendered. Unless you think they were using AI for the videos (they weren't) they have no reason not to just re-render the cover. Only thing that looks weird about the cover art to me is a sharpening filter.
The year is 2030. Ben crouches in his mouldy flat as the police roll up outside. The law is clear. His four encrypted drives stuffed with unlicensed Doom mods carry mandatory five year sentences. The officers storm up to his door and bang on it shouting a demand for his “licensed content manifest”. He knew he shouldn't have told his aunt Gertrude about his doom modding hobby that that one Happy Holiday before they turned off the internet, the old bat probably tipped them off.As the police begin battering the door down he shoves the drives into the back of the his old freezer, tucking them behind the halal meats. They'll never look there.
>>12311139out of all the promotional things made for DOOM, which one do you think is the best?nothing could beat that kickass box-art.
>>12313178LolLike I can afford meat hereGood post though, very prescient
>>12313208The comic, obviously, even if it's been tainted by NuDoom.
>>12313208Probably the boxarts, they're really good.
Which mods would satisfy Edge Magazine's reviewer?
>>12313432Mr. Friendly, obviously.
>>12312218Does spider have pusspuss?
>>12313432Ashes Afterglow? Strife? AMC Squad for Duke?
>>12313486Please don't use gmod screenshots to get my hopes up for GZDoom ports of Spyro maps.
>>12313432For a magazine called "Edge" they aren't very edgy
Here's a protip for you boys: Double check your actor names.
>>12313526This is what happens if you eat the shotgun sphere.
Started to Pistol Start UV-Max NOSP3 and damn, it's bringing back a rush I've not felt in a long time.
serious sam owning a zx spectrum made me google his nationality
>>12313647what game mentions that?
>>12313647There were versions of the Spectrum released all the fuck over the place, it's not like saying he owned a Dragon 32.
this town has become infested with chinks
>>12313432HDoom
>>12313432HFFM
>>12313023There are few wads that try to bring D3 to D2>DsDoom3>DBP28 Fear And Loathing>Eclipse>Legacy Of Suffering>Revenge Of Evil>Darkmoon>WMC01 The Rising
>>12313154Good luck with that. No country has managed to stop people using vpns.
>>12313654Hey I had a Dragon 32What does that say about me?
>>12313178Oi! You gotta loicense for them D**m mods?
>>12313526
>>12313526Delicious. Reminds me of the time I made a casing spawner loop by mistake and crashed the port.
>>12314213I took a break from fucking around with the plasma+BFG combo thing (Current plan is shoot it for a bit, the gun shoots slower and has stronger projectiles that force flinch, then builds up to firing BFG tracer blasts until you let go of fire or run out of cells)Implementing the backup attacks for the SMG here: You run out of normal ammo and you'll fire projectile flechettes that deal less damage. The reload won't drop magazines for this later on.
>>12313526Cool looking weapon though. What weapon pack is this for?>>12313529>Playing DRLA>Find a sphere with Renegade's face on it.>Just starts flying all over the place, spamming "AGH" as it shits shotguns everywhere.
>>12314241I'm fucking around with a little experiment to condense Doom's arsenal of 8 guns down into 4. So pistol + chaingun, shotgun + SSG, and plasma + BFG. Rocket launcher is by itself cus it's cool like that. No altfire for the guns, altfire is dedicated to a sword button because I don't like the vanilla fist.Guns all operate with a single button, but they do different shit if you either press the button or hold it. Like for the rocket launcher here: A single press fires off a barrage of three rockets, and holding it does a more traditional steady rocket launcher attack. Because I don't want to make people manually click each time to shoot a rocket, that sucks.
>>12313526>a gun that shoots gunsI'm pretty sure Doomguy has had at least one wet dream like that.
>>12314245That rocket launcher is cool as hell. Is this going to be for Combined Arms? BYOC? Or its own separate thing?
>>12314250BYOC and its own separate thing. This is another case of me flexing too hard to just leave it exclusive to BYOC.That and I want to show my cool edgy OC to as many people as I can. Reception of this guy has been pretty warm so far.
>>12314253Badass. Can't wait to play as him. And the Froise.
>>12314256The Froise is some serious shit, he's the best worst thing BYOC has to offer. He's the only class I know of where you can play semi-DM while playing co-op with other Froise's because of the irradiated casings the plasma gun tier weapon spawns. It's fucking hilarious. Have a comic based off true events I did to another player during one session.
>>12314265Kek. This update can't come soon enough.
>>12314248I don't think doomguy is that much of a gun nut, since he throws away his weapons after each map.
That is an awful low amount of news in the OP.Is just nothing going on right now or is the Doom scene dying?I haven't been up to date for like a year or so; the last big thing I heard was that there's a new fork of GZDoom.
>>12314295>No news in the 4chan Doom general and ONLY the 4chan Doom general means the Doom modding scene is dead.>Right after Kegan posted news on a new mod/BYOC class.I will not stand for this doomposting.
>>12314295It's dead. And the one who killed it... was me.
>>12314301I DID IT LIKE THIS!
speaking of which, is there any reason to play the new blood or is it just suits trying to capitalize on the boomshoot trend before it crashes?
>>12314295Nothing's really going on, anon. I have a mod that might come out later this week though, just waiting for some sprites to finish cooking.
>>123143120. None. Nil. All worthwhile things offers is either free fanmade stuff (Marrow, Death Wish) or present in ports (the weather effects, but I forget which port has them now).The rest is just Nightdive changing things for the sake of changing things, and some dubious convenience, achievements and redone cutscenes if you care.
>>12314295The real, non-pretending-to-be-retarded reply, is simply that no-one bothers to reply to the newspost, and the only job of the threadmaker is to update the new newspost with the replies to the current one.In the past some obsessively tryhard former threadmakers have chosen to take on actual newshounding as part of their job, but I don't think the current jobholders see it that way, nor do I think it's reasonable to expect it. Traipsing around all the other doom sites looking for news is up to the community as a whole to do collaborately.
>12314320>collaboratelycollaboratively, sorry.
>>12313909They would not be manly enough for that.
>>12313858Lo Wang is supposed to be a Chinese Ninja, for the record.
>>12314270>I don't think doomguy is that much of a gun nut
>>12314270He grins whenever he picks up a new gun.
>>12314295Lulls are bound to happen, but truly it's everyone's responsibility to contribute to it if they know of a very recent release or significant news regarding retro shooters, and it's not in the newspost or its replies.Ideally, reply with a post bearing the [dd-mm] bracket, a link (for forum links, you can usually cut away the rubric and just leave the thread ID), and then a very short descriptor of it.Even if you do it without the ready formatting, it's still a good contribution.
>>12314364that level is also called chinatown by the way
>>12314378Like, if any of you guys ever just briefly scroll through releases on places like DW, DB, or hang in any major Discords, and you see any significant releases (megawads, gameplay mods, new works by recognizable names, source port updates, anounced collab projects, etc).That doesn't just go for Doom either, we like Quake, Duke, Blood, Turok, Wolf3D, Half-Life, etc, etc, so doing the same from spaces for such retro games is equally useful.
>>12314270>THE BFG9000, OH YES!
>>12314295It was just X-Mas a couple of weeks ago, people take time off so progress and releases are probably put on hold a lot.
>>12314270going by the official/canon content or semi-official content...>D3 to EP1 = sent in with a squad and squad gets ambushed. what he has was the best he could've scavenged.>EP1 to EP2 = he died and washed up on the shores of hell (can't take it with you and all that).>EP2 to EP3 to EP4 to SIGIL to D2 = burned through all his ammo and supplies to get to each episode start.>D2 to NRFTL to Final to D64 = different missions. same as D3 to EP1.>D64 to Dark Ages = found/captured by a bunch of space knights.>Dark Ages to D4 = captured and sealed away by demons.>D4 to Eternal to TAGs = takes only what is necessary and leaves the rest in his space fortress.i didn't comment on master levels, RoE and the lost episodes of doom 1 & doom 3 because those aren't doomguy proper and i haven't played SIGIL 2 or romero's one humanity yet.
>>12314395>>12314374He likes killing demons, the guns are just tools for killing demons.>>12314370>the comic>>12314403After each map, not each episode.
>>12314270>always carries a handgun and lots of ammo>(and a knuckleduster)>always grins with glee when picking up a weapon>manages to stuff his uniform with a remarkable amount of ammo (enough for an entire backpack)>absolutely insanely good shot with his pistol if he's not rapid firing, all with iron sights (which he might not even be using)>very fast and consistent at reloading an old fashioned coach gun>cheers at finding the biggest and baddest gun aroundI don't know.
>>12314419Default behavior of the original .exes is that the player carries over their stuff from the last map, anon.
>>12314432that filename is so stupid lmao
>>12314403Doomguy has usually gotten the short end of the stick in anything he does in canon and extended canon, now that I'm realizing.>Pre-Doom: refuses order to fire on civilians; gets shipped to Phobos.>E1: Clears Phobos; is trapped, dies, and goes to Deimos in Hell.>E2: Clears Deimos; realizes he's in Hell.>E3: Clears Hell and finds a portal out; sees Earth being invaded and his rabbit killed.>E4: Clears wherever the hell this is; Baphomet sends his ass to Sigil to make him his bitch.>Sigil: Clears Hell again; Satan sends him even deeper.>Sigil 2: Clears Hell yet again; NOW he has to save Earth.>MAP01-11: Evacuates Earth and awaits death; is told where the demons came from and has to close it.>MAP12-20: Gets to the entryway to Hell; can't close it from Earth and has to go back to Hell to close it.>MAP30: Kills the Icon of Sin; has to clean up Earth.>TNT: Is now the commander of Earth's militaries; demons show up in a spaceship while on a walk and has to stop them all over again.>Plutonia: Tries to go on vacation; Hell invades various jungle facilities, steals a quantum accelerator, and now he has to kill Icon of Sin #3.>64: Tries to retire; gets reactivated to kill the Mother Demon after Hell invades again.>Lost Levels: At this point he "embraces the suck" and stays in Hell; gets kicked back out by the Mother Demon's sister and has to go BACK to Hell.>Pre-2016: Gets the crucible, becomes the Doom Slayer, and slays a Titan; gets a temple dropped on his head to contain him.>2016: Wakes up in the future, suits up, kills his first Spider Mastermind in centuries, and stops Hell again; Samuel Hayden steals his sword and teleports him to fuck-knows-where.Haven't played Legacy of Rust, Eternal, or Dark Ages yet to know where they stand.
>>12314432What map is that?
>>12312151so patable
Bloodfire seems pretty cool.https://www.moddb.com/mods/bloodfire/downloads/bloodfire
>>12314439i haven't played dark ages either but it happens between 64 and 2016.what you and i describe here >>12314403 is a somewhat accurate description of the events as eternal & 2016 fills enough of gaps to explain what happens.
>>12314475>ShadowmanNice.
Am I correct in that modding for vanilla Quake II is dead and all new projects are made for the 2023 remake?
>>12314454You're an idiot.
>>12314496Old post gone, you're completely correct.
>>12314295>Doom scene dyingIf Doom scene is dying, no modding scene has ever been alive. Actually Doom scene has never as active as it has been this decade. In last week alone we have already received actual final-ish release of Extermination Day, and new russian high quality megawad No Time 2 Freeze. This year should see the releases of TNT Exolution, Delirium, Kuiper, Corruption 2, Avactor 2, JENES15, Happy Time Circus 3 and Dissension 2. It's just that most mapping/modding groups exist in Discord rather than forums or image boards.But yea /vr/ suffered slightly after 4chan hacking, because lot of tourists came here due lack of moderation, and it drove some people out that actually contributed on our projects. When we eventually start new Doom project, more sane people will come here. Don't worry.
>>12314496All upcoming ones are for remaster, except Return To Perdition, which will be the most biggest and most high quality campaign Q2 has ever received.
>>12314513>But yea /vr/ suffered slightly after 4chan hackingEven before then the burnout had hit pretty hard.
>>12314513>actual final-ish release of Extermination DayWhat, the brutal doom starter pack? Where was this reported on?
Just found out that psyren (Crimson Canyon, Rylayeh, Elegant Agony and Blood TC guy) released a 32 map megawad on 2022 called PSYKOPLEX22. Nice old schoolish maps. Somehow I completely missed this one.
>>12313178I kek'd, but died a little inside knowing it will come true
>>12314527Yea. On DW. ChebSkies finished it, after Mark abandoned it.https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/137366-chebskies-extermination-day-perfected-20-is-out/
>>12314245I love that rocket launcher
>>12314537lol it's that bloated to fuck one that's only intended for his special edit of BD.
>>12314537Oh I see. I was aware of ChebSkies' version but thought it was a fork. I didn't know the original was abandoned. Thanks for your help.
>>12314546I'm playing it and enjoying. But yea, this is the most complete one that we'll ever get.
>>12314546Oh is it shit? Forget it thenI liked the original starter pack, especially the map where you assault hell with a horde of allied marines, tanks and shit
>>12314550Supposedly it's not completely abandoned, just on a back burner like a lot of his stuff.
>>12314475New Shadowman wad! My penis is hard.
>>12314513>>12314527>>12314537>In last week alone we have already received actual final-ish release of Extermination Day.>On DW. ChebSkies finished it, after Mark abandoned it.considering that it was originally the hell on earth starter pack which felt pretty finished imo. what did mark really need to do? hell, most of his individual maps are included in the starter pack.
>>12314504Not getting anything when I look that up... got a wad name even?
>>12314605Map 1 of "Ultimate Doom In Name Only"
>>12314605Watch the start of the video again and if you still can't figure it out gouge out your eyes because they are clearly useless.
>>12314628Guessing that's a shadowman wad from the rug texture. Not sure I understand the photo of two blokes in shorts lying on a rubbish tip though.
>>12314637Thank you.>>12314640It goes by too fast and I couldn't catch it. Clearly being nicer to people wasn't in your new year's resolutions.
>>12314475This new? Tag it on the newspost! >>12311140
>>12314656NTA, but video players have this really cool feature called "pausing" and another neat little thing called a "seeker bar". By utilizing them both, you can go to a specific frame (the very first one, for example) and not have it automatically play!
>>12314656>It goes by too fast and I couldn't catch it.Oh my fucking god are you for real?It's called the pause button.>Clearly being nicer to people wasn't in your new year's resolutions.Clearly using your brain wasn't in yours!
>>12314245The design and that tri shot almost remind me of a weapon from classic Roblox called the Exponential Rocket Launcher that i loved using as a kid.>Shoots a rocket.>Rocket splits into 3 rockets, while the original rocket falls down as a bomb.>Then those 3 rockets split into 3 MORE rockets EACH (original rockets also bombing).>End result is 9 rockets flying at once in a Triforce formation.
>looking through archived /doom/ threads from long ago on warosu>some guy replied to one of the threads a while back not knowing it was an archivelol
>>12314721Check it again.
>>12314730heh.
would you a vore?i would
No.
>>12314770>random gooner artist makes use of the curved dagger design from various map textures>2026 and modders still haven'tSad.
I am starting to hate TNT man
>>12314786>t. Wile
>>12314786Who is TNT man?
>>12314793Ty HaldermanWhy the fuck would you hate Ty Halderman?Unless you were one of those terrywad faggots I guess?
>>12314790
>>12314786I love TNT, but I also understand this because there's a lot to NOT love about TNT.It's a very early collab megawad for Doom 2, and not every contributor was so talented, so it ends up as this rough mixed bag. There's some good chocolates and gummy candies in there, but the candy corn obviously expired many years ago, and that apple has a razor in it.There's maps that I love in TNT, and maps which I hate, and there's also a lot of subjectivity there, because some people love O'Briens giant maps, but most people don't.TNT Revilution is a MUCH stronger, smoother, and more even product, but it also has a pretty different feel, it lacks a lot of the original's grit (in bad and good ways, mind).Plutonia is popularly considered the better half of the original Final Doom for its gameplay and map design, but something I always wanted to do was to actually combine the best qualities of Plutonia and Evilution.
>>12314801put a sock in it
>>12314827Put a sock in what? He ain't got no mouth.
>>12314537>HOW TO PLAY:>...>...>...>...>...Missed me with this gay shit. I just want to shoot demons.
>>12314883In his pants, to make it look like he has a spectacular bulge.
>>12314537Lol, irony.
>>12305651-rannies
>>12314270>pistol starts>canon
I like continuous play. It adds an element of strategy where you're trying to finish the map with as much ammo, health and armor as possible.
>>12315019I used to do that but found I was always overpowered and drowning in stuff I couldn't pick up after two or three maps.
>>12315032>overpoweredJust play harder wads bro.
>>12315036Do you have any recommendations? Harder wads especially seem designed for demo recorders for whom pistol start is required. If I bring a load of weapons and inventory onto a map whose first room gifts me a shotgun and a pile of shells, I immediately feel I am playing it wrong. Other than Doom and Doom2 what wads were made for continuous play?
>>12315019I like the Dakka format of it where you don't get to take all of the ammo to the next map.
>>12315046Yes, while most wads are balanced for pistol start, that doesn't mean the harder ones won't still be hard as fucking balls played continuously.What is the hardest wad you have beaten?
>>12315065I don't know how to answer that, it depends what you mean by "beaten". Plus it's been decades since I played continous with savegames so I can't remember. We should probably end this conversation, I can already sense you are just going to get annoyed with me.
>>12315083>I don't know how to answer thatAre you retarded?
>>12315083What is the hardest wad you have completed every map of, Ultra Violence, pistol start?
>>12315059>Dakka formatThe what?
>>12315091Autistic, but I'm sure you'll say that's the same thing. Nevertheless, different people mean different things by "beaten". I need to know your definition before I can answer your question, to avoid stupid, worthless, timewasting misunderstandings that always happen when I have to discuss matters with neurotypicals.>>12315092Oh, that's easy, Plutonia. Maybe MM2 except for one map, I've never quite managed to get 3x100% on map19 because the computer map is so awkwardly placed in a timed crusher trap, and it's so painful to play through I just don't find it fun to retry.
>>12315127>PlutoniaOK, yeah.It's likely that you'd feel that something like Ancient Aliens or Valiant was challenging enough to be fun even with continuous play, let alone something like Sunlust, which you would likely find ball-bustingly difficult, even with continuous play.And Sunlust isn't even that hard compared to a lot of the shit being released these days.https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/107015-wad-progression-for-skill-improvement/ this is a good git gud progression.
>>12315127>>12315131And if you decide to follow that progression and try Scythe first, like, I absolutely fucking guarantee you that you will find Fire and Ice ball-bustingly hard even if you start it with 200/200, all weapons and full ammo. You will still likely use every cell available on the map.
>>12315131Ok thanks for your advice.I already know Sunlust, I've done all the maps pistol start but on lower skill levels (for three I needed ITYTD, embarrassingly)So I'll try doing that continuous with saves.>>12315136Ah yes I'm familiar with Scythe. I've pistol started the first two episodes on UV and the third on HNTR. The last map is indeed a buster even on HNTR where you drown in invulnerabilities. It's still easy to die suddenly even when you think you're safe.
>>12315046>Harder wads especially seem designed for demo recorders for whom pistol start is required>If I bring a load of weapons and inventory onto a map whose first room gifts me a shotgun and a pile of shells, I immediately feel I am playing it wrong>I immediately feel I am playing it wrongI think more map makers at least give some consideration to continuous play than you think.You're only "playing it wrong" if the map maker specifically made an exit a death exit and you're somehow bypassing that to keep all your shit for the next map.If the map maker did not choose to make the map have a death exit, then taking all of your shit into the next map is, by rule, not "playing it wrong," as it is a possibility which was fully intended by the mapper.An example of a wad where continuous play was clearly accounted for: Eviternity 2.The Perforator is incredibly powerful. As a result, it is usually only found in the final map of an episode. This is a clear sign that the designers of the wad, for the most part, do not want that weapon being used outside of the levels it is found in.
>>12315131I've been using this to look for set to ween myself into playing harder things:https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/124160-wadmap-difficulty-scaling/
>>12315151>An example of a wad where continuous play was clearly accounted for: Eviternity 2.>The Perforator is incredibly powerful. As a result, it is usually only found in the final map of an episode. This is a clear sign that the designers of the wad, for the most part, do not want that weapon being used outside of the levels it is found in.Wait, I'm retarded. I was confusing Eviternity 2's Perforator with Hardfest 2's infinite rocket launcher, which is usually only found in the last map of an episode.The Perforator is typically only found in secret maps, making it a significant reward for continuous players who choose to play the secret maps.Also, D2ALL is a thing that I'm sure many mapmakers at least give some consideration to.
>>12315118Dakka. It's a gameplay mod and the default setting resets all of your ammo to a certain amount. It's pretty big brained.
>>12315204I never liked pistol starting but absolutely fell in love with Dakka starting, and wish it had a standalone mod that could be put on anything. Its the perfect middleground to stop hoarding without resetting progression entirely between maps.
>>12315224>and wish it had a standalone mod that could be put on anything.Best you could do is a general one that you could change to fit to mods since not everything classifies ammo as ammo.
>>12315224I like hoarding during continuous, though.It makes the whole episode (or wad if the wad doesn't have episodes) feel like one big survival test.
>>12315229Yeah thats the issue I ran into trying to make one. After seeing how mods like gunbonsai run into problems regarding ammo classification and how it gets incorporated into stuff like reload and inventory systems, I don't know if even zscript could make a really universal system. I'm certainly too fucking stupid to do it myself.
>>12315239I like hording too, until I realize I'm not using good shit as much as I should, which is why I stated messing with pistol starting in the first place. Going into levels with max plasma ammo is like going into final bosses in an RPG with max healing items, while games like Heretic would only let you carry over 1 of each item to encourage you to use them more. That type of middleground is great for breaking those habits.
>>12315251Yeah but on the plus side I've been getting better at berserk fisting revenants and hell nobles lately due to hoarding.
>>12315253The best way to get better at tysoning is to be forced to, especially when a map is designed around it. Why do you need the ammo if you never have to use it? It's just a number on your hud at that point.
>>12315258I've been forcing myself to berserk fist lone revenants and hell nobles lately regardless of how much ammo I have. I'm better off for it.
>>12315258>Why do you need the ammo if you never have to use it? It's just a number on your hud at that point.Number must go up[.
>>12315262Absolutely, just recommending the next step. Keep at it anon.
>>12313858The correct term is "Asian Americans".
thoughts on Extermination Day?
>joe-ilya is a GenoSamuel patreonhuh
>>12315285It's fun, though I haven't and probably never will play it through it's intended mod.
>>12315262I mean it's kinda fun.
>>12315285HoESP is the better version
>>12311140Shouldn't Vertex Relocation be on the list of current releases since it was just put on idgames a couple weeks ago?
>>12315251Yeah it's easy to get stuck in the habit of just holding onto ammo and just shotgunning everything forever, which sucks.
Where do you draw the line between partial and total conversion? Is it even a meaningful distinction?
finally found the nightmare difficulty on QBJ3 and the combat thing in the monument near the credits room was greatThis map, savior complexm on nightmare? Was fucking insane.No idea if I skipped areas or how some triggers near the 9million zombies did not work as intended, and i got fucked over by autosaves, but hey. I'm glad it's over.
>>12315719Partial still has significant elements from the base game, total doesn't.
>>12311140Pvt Stone's had another update, a new weapon, more reload stuff .etchttps://skelegant.itch.io/pvt-stone/devlog/1315753/update-to-v155-qol-extra-polish
>>12315719How is this even a question? Partial conversions replace part of the assets, total conversions convert totally.
>>12315092i want to say blues brothers but i'm stuck at that last map
>BROKE: partial conversion>WOKE: total conversion>BESPOKE: U L T R A C O N V E R S I O N
>>12315983I remember playing Malice Refine but never got far, always got bored
>>12316024It's certainly an acquired taste. Level design is schizophrenic at best. Shotguns are great though.
>>12314475>cautions against potentially disturbing imageryHmm. I like Shadowman's maps so I'd play Bloodfire anyway, it just seems like an odd thing to point out for a Doom thing.
>>12315983What makes it an ULTRA conversion?
