The new Commodore 64 Ultimate has now sold over 20,000 unitshttps://slapsoft.com/c64_sales.html
>>12348905Is it an ARM clone or a FPGA clone?
>>12348915FPGA. It uses Gideon Zweitjer's UltimateC64 mainboardhttps://ultimate64.com/Ultimate-64-Elite-MK2
ZX Spectrum Next sold 15,000 over three Kickstarter campaigns, and there's probably a few thousand more unofficial clones as the core is open source.I've got both a Next and C64 Ultimate, they're both great machines if you have nostalgia for the originals.
It's an excellent project and there are already some STUNNING demos using it. There is some discussion among the demo sceners about whether or not it should be allowed at parties, but the consensus is yes but as a separate category. So far anyway. I'm sure each party will have their own rules depending on who runs it.The fact that it already works with most of the hardware out there but already furnishes the really rare stuff (REU, accelerated CPU) makes it pretty tempting. I'm going to buy one but I will wait a little bit. They are going to update the design to fix a few issues - they might already have done this. For one the keyboard flexes a bit because the board needs more support in places. There is a 3D printed bracket somebody cooked up so people can fix it themselves, but apparently other people with newer ones don't have this issue so who knows. But that's just like classic Commodore for you. LOLhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx2aNy-I9vsAnyway here's a cool demo, but people will be able to do so much more with the extra speed and RAM.
>>12349570>ZX Spectrum Next>slower than C64U>less RAM>smaller FPGA>no hardware SID capability>can only buy them through dodgy 'auctions' on the official site or used on ebay>costs $2000 for some butt fucking retarded reason (no shit look it up https://www.specnext.com/shop/>C64U $249 US DOLLARSo-oy me speccie!
>>12349606It does look very cool. I'm tempted to get one, but it'd probably end up collecting dust since I'm not a huge C64 fan.
>>12349659>auctionsWhat the fuck is this?
>>12349659Apparently you needed to get it from their Kickstarter
>>12349809C64U will literally do Speccy better than this thing. Commodore sells an official user port breakout adapter so you can plug in stuff while running other cores. Or just use this: https://www.c64-wiki.com/wiki/Spectrum_Simulator at 48 MHz and you'll beat the Next natively.Plus no need to do dodgy kickstarters or buy from auctions, that's weird as FUCK.
>>12349838People buy these because they're physically similar to some of the original Speccy models. If all they cared about was just running Speccy software, they'd just use an emulator on PC for free
>>12349921I looked on the forum, apparently compatibility with original first and third party peripherals is incomplete and fucky. They're "working on it" still after 8 years.It seems cool if you're into the Spectrum, I will give you that. But it will be a tough sell next to the C64U especially since it can already natively run Spectrum software and is a lot cheaper. The new Commodore also appears to be a much more serious operation, they have real industry executives and Commodore people running the actual company. It seems to be less of a fly by night operation and in just a few months they've sold 20k machines. Spectrum Next's various versions have only sold about 15,000 in like 8 years.Anyway it's
>>12350035>Anyway it'sAre you ok, Anon?
>>12350046It's okay anon, I'm pretty sure Candlejack didn'
>>12348905>now sold over 20,000 unitsDoes this mean they'll come down in price?
>>12350368It's literally cheap as fuck for what it is, a nice full actual Commodore brand C64. They are re-investing the profits into making more, and improving it for now, but the goal is to buy Amiga, who they are already in talks with, and make a turbo enhanced FPGA Amiga as well, with modern touches. Amiga has suffered terribly being apparently divided between two very dodgy operations. A new turbo 20x speed Amiga could save personal computing.Heck the C64U might do it.
>>12348905>Commode Shittyfour>Still no MSX/MSX2 rereleaseIt's amazing how little recognition that thing has despite the insane number of absurdly good and historic titles on it.
>>12350391MSX and PC98 cores exist, both will run comfortably on the C64U. They didn't lock off the FPGA core flasher or anything, you can use it any way you like. People are creating new cores just for it. C128 core is already running on it.They are also actively, constantly improving the software which is a great sign. People who know how to improve the software and cores are on actual salary. They are responsibly spending the money which is great.MSX and PC98 and pretty much anything will run fine on this hardware. Sure it might be nice to get a specially shaped box, to look authentic, but none of those games are even in English. It's a big barrier mainly on the software side to get an official re-do going.Another thing to think about is, the C64 is simple enough that people can understand it inside out and lots of folks really love programming it. There is no real MSX or PC98 or X68000 scene. Nobody cares. People CARE about the C64. They love it, it's classic. All around the world.
>>12350384>the goal is to buy AmigaHoly shit, I'm actually sold now. If I wasn't a broke old man with no income I'd gladly give 'em a few hundred dollars just for a faint hope that the old girl might get out of the clutches of the incompetent crooks that have been milking her all these years.
>>12350406>no one plays touhou
>>12350445Touhou is for faggots please leave
>>12350406So IDK anything about this. Is it FPGA? By MSX core, we mean MSX and MSX2, right? Because now I am enticed, I just don't like the aesthetics overall of the C64. I want the authentic 1980s Japanese MSX experience, you know. Or reasonably close.
>>12349921The Next’s external case design was done by the same guy that designed Sinclair’s original Spectrum models
>>12350482>the authentic 1980s Japanese MSX experienceNot him, but there are so many MSX machines that there's no "authentic" MSX look
>>12350406>there's no MSX sceneNigga what?
>>12351009Snaggletooths making a scene any time someone doesn't lick oi me speccys ass isn't the kind of scene Anon was talking about.
>>12351009No, there's no MSX scene at all. No demo scene, no parties, no upload sites for new games and programs with several per day coming out... No scene whatsoever.Weebing out over old catalogs isn't a scene.
>>12351623>>12351641Read >>12351009
>>12350943They all shared a retarded arrow pad, it's like the MSX was where the worst arrow pads went to die.
>>12351623>>12351641>1 spazzes about the spectrum>other acts retarded for a pretend flamewarIrony poisoning claims another thread.
>>12351689>ctrl+f FPGA>1+ matchesThe brightly colored hair folx of retrotards.
>>12351693Watch your whoremouth or I'll post a picture of my FPGA and a game title screen (I won't play it).
>>12351707They are hardware emulating the average retro enjoyer on social media.
>>12351693They could plug a keyboard into a 10 year old phone running Vice and have a better experience.
>>12351693>>12351721>>12351732This is literally the only place in the whole of the online retro enthusiast community that is so ridiculously dismissive of FPGA
>>12351756FPGA stuff CAN suck, it's all about how well the core is done. In the case of the C64U, the FPGA implementation is years old already, it's Free software, and has a very large user community.Anyway the fastest 65C02 runs at 14MHz, the C64U is over 3x as fast as that. There are some accelerators for the C64 that got to 12MHz (IIRC) but those are thousands of bucks now used, nobody makes new ones. And the compatibility is worse at the turbo speed than the C64U's core.FPGA is really a no-brainer for retro remakes unless the CPU is still current. Even so it's likely to be slower than an FPGA. And because the current FPGA implementation of the C64 is largely an SoC, bugs can be fixed at zero cost to the user. All the bodges are virtual.I do think it'd be cool for somebody to make a C64 board with support for a "real" CPU that ran at 14MHz, I don't think anybody actually does at this point.Anyway we're supposed to be in the Chinese handheld thread, that's why that other poster is so peeved lol.
>>12351756I was gonna give them credit for admitting that they are emulating the C64 on a FPGA (since they mention using UltiSID), instead of the usual lie about "replicating the original chips at a logic gate level", but then saw that they can't keep their story straight.
>>12351779That's just ad copy, they make no bones about the fact that it's FPGA. Currently if you want a "real" accelerated C64 with a "real" cpu the best you'll get with a new product is 4MHz. Somebody has a Teensy 6510 replacement too now, but it tops out at about 30MHz equivalent. C64U is as fast as it gets at the current time. The board has sockets for two real SIDs, too, if you don't want FPGA SIDs. You can even mix and match them. It will automatically use the correct voltage.
>>12351779They fucked up, emulation is software, copying something in hardware is cloning, not emulation.
>>12351721It works with all the hardware, something emulation doesn't quite do yet. At least most emulators.
>>12351662>>12351689>makes a scene
>>12352414it's so hot right now
>>12353107>it's so hot right nowIt's the middle of winter sweaty
>>12350445it's true though
>>12353962not here
>>12355281>outing yourself as schizo auskunepic
>>12348905>it’s just the same C64 core thats on the misterthanks I’ll pass. Cool box tho!
>>12355749It's not the same core as the Mister though but fair play if it doesn't interest you
>>12355862Oh yeah? Just like the Modretro “isn’t” the mister gameboy core because they added some lines of code? Get real, man.
>>12356721It's Gideon's FPGA core, dude, not the Mister one. For one thing, it had much better 1541 emulation.
>>12356762>source: trust meOkay you have convinced me. Take my $200 for the open source software in a plastic shell.
>>12356795You could just google it. The C64 Ultimate is Gideon's Ultimate 64 packaged up, except since they bought hardware in bulk you can get it for $300 instead of like $750 or whatever
>>12355654>lying is easyread book
>>12357494
>>12357039I already looked it up. The current C64 MiSTer core is running the same cycle accuracy as Gideons. You are essentially paying $300 for a keyboard.
>>12357852
>>12350391The creator is too busy working on MSX3 which is probably vaporware
>>12357852The MiSTer core isn't compatible with original peripherals and there's no userport.Also it's a really nice keyboard. I'm not joking, they did a great job.
>>12358434>Nice keyboardIn a case they didn't make and has been on the market for 4+ years
>>12359038The case? Yeah that's the point, it's a remake of the original case. You seem like one of those faggots who has to be upset about everything. Kys.
