>>12385283
The hardest part for 9 year old me was failing a level in the chocolate mountains then walking to star road to donut plains to get power ups then going to the star road to get a blue yoshi then walking back to Wendy's level and inevitably failing the level again

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This game is very scary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVDOj109F5E

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Average zoomer when they play their first retro game. Can't wait for them to play their second so they can compare it to SMW

>>12385531
>zoomers are bad at games
I really don't get this sentiment. It's the zoomers that popularized grinding out ranked games (LoL, Valorant, CSGO, etc.), yeah they existed before zoomies times, but zoomers were the one who really went gung-ho and took gaming the extra mile, and turned it into a livelihood that can pay via streaming or competing as opposed to just another hobby. Even older games like Quake or Team Fortress 2 have their competitive scenes populated by zoomers in this day and age, and still showing off unprecedented gameplay. Smash Melee? A kid under the age of 20 who's maining Luigi - a historic low-tier who saw nigh zero rep in the highest comp levels - is currently beating out Zain, the #1 player, every time they face off each other. Even speedrunning of relic games is being broken apart by zoomers. SM64 speedrunning? Suigi, some kid who can't even legally drink, broke record after record in every category. SMB NES speedrunning? Niftski, same case.

Not to patronize, but 1CCing retro games doesn't even come close to the difficulty of top level gameplay seen in multiplayer ranked games or becoming the top level at a speedrunning game. Old or new game, the zoomers are coming out on top.

Rrepect zoomers!

>>12385283
I agree. The only way to play it is with save states and slow motion

>>12385283
piss easy compared to 3

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>>12385662
Oldfags either choose to be ignorant about it or haven't found a way to cope. You're also missing the most famous example in recent history.

>>12385741
Based young anon

>>12385745
He's the opposite of anon but I get the sentiment

>>12385741
The modern way they play tetris hardly counts. It's similar to how competitive rubiks cube players solve them. They seriously turn the controllers upside down and slide the buttons around so pieces keep flipping until they lock into the perfect spot. It's skill still but not in the spirit of the game.

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>>12385804
>I can't adjust so it doesn't count
They even made a tournament just for you and zoomers still dominate.

>>12385662
>>12385741
>>12385804
>1CCnodmg in something brutal like a late 80s arcade shmup demands iron consistency.
>Top-ranked multiplayer demands supreme, on-the-fly adaptation.
>Speedrunning demands optimization obsession.
Thinking we're comparing apples to oranges here. They are all their own skill domains.

>>12385662
It's been a while since I've seen some actually good bait

>>12385804
>turn the controllers upside down and slide the buttons around
that's not what rolling is, retard
>spirit of the game
lol. meanwhile the zoomie meets alexey pajitnov and you're eternally seething.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS_8CZy8DbI

>>12385834
Speedrunning requires optimization and often frame perfect inputs and far more consistency than faggot shmups no one plays

>>12385845
Far more consistency depends on what you're measuring. A 40–60 minute 1CC requires sustained execution with no resets. Many speedruns are segmented and reset-heavy, optimizing specific sections repeatedly. Those are different consistency models. The comparison only works if we define the metric first.

>>12385662
Wasn't Sairyou also like 19 or 20 when he beat Inbachi?

>>12385857
>segmented
99% of speedrun discussion revolves around full game runs. If resets happen, they impact your time too. If the category is very long, like much longer than an hour, then the whole run is usually reset if you want a decent time.

Shmups give you "resets" in the form of resources - lives, bombs, hypers whatever. The autism you're trying to associate with speedrunning is scoring.

>>12385772
I mean you

>>12385662
It's why gatekeeping video games doesn't work if you had any interest in pushing them further. It's mostly used as an excuse by 35 year olds to hang out in IRC without having to see 14 year old cringe. You need the newfags.

>>12385839
where's the bait?

>>12385902
zoomers sucked the fun out of playing video games like the zombies they are. like they suck the fun out of society.

>>12385908
i think you're just bad at video games. no one cares if you're the best out of your 2 friends at mario 1 anymore lmao.

These zoomers who are autistic enough to master old games aren't representative of the average zoomer.
Also, they got where they are thanks to 30+ years of collective autism from people born before them playing and mastering the game and sharing knowledge online

>>12385845
>far more consistency
speedrunning demands 0 consistency after the racing scene died a decade ago. If you are inconsistent you just reset your speedrun and try again and the only thing you lose is your worthless time.

Playing a shmup in the arcades is different in that resetting actually costs you money so you want to be consistent. Playing a shmup today is basically the same as a grind monkey speedrunner, just spend enough time and youll complete your goal.

>>12385916
>30+ years of collective autism from people born before them
not really. millenniggers have been bullshitting about their childhood games and spreading misinformation for years. see the stupid pokemon rumors and all the cheating and splicing in mario 64.

>>12385918
Do you really think Niftski and Suigi aren't consistent in their own games because there's no money involved? Don't be delusional. If you just want a 1cc, shmups give you far more leeway than you're making them out to be. Go watch a random 1cc of anything, there will be mistakes everywhere.

>>12385918
This is like saying your faggot rhythm game is super duper hardcore because the terrible expensive controller gave you carpal tunnel at 22

>>12385918
false equivalency. those speedrunners are going for far more precise movement and tricks than what's needed for a 1cc. and no one is practicing shmups on a cabinet in 2026 even in japan, let's be real.

>>12385932
>Do you really think Niftski and Suigi aren't consistent in their own games because there's no money involved?
didnt imply that
>If you just want a 1cc, shmups give you far more leeway than you're making them out to be.
never implied they didnt
>Go watch a random 1cc of anything, there will be mistakes everywhere.
never implied 1ccs required 0 mistakes
>>12385938
never implied whatever the fuck this is trying to say, replied to the wrong post?
>>12385947
>those speedrunners are going for far more precise movement and tricks than what's needed for a 1cc.
didnt imply they werent
>and no one is practicing shmups on a cabinet in 2026 even in japan, let's be real.
didnt imply that
>false equivalency
They are equivalent, I see both speedrunning and 1ccing a shmup at home to be self-aggrandizing at worst and self-improvement by way of working hard at a goal at best. Neither of these hobbies are competitive they are slot machines where you input thousands of hours and sometimes you hit the jackpot and sometimes you dont. Neither require consistency.

talking to people on this board is wild, you are constantly fighting against people aggressively misinterpreting your statements.

>>12385969
>slot machines
Genuine question, have you practiced anything in your life? How shitty do you have to be at video games to believe that?

>>12385969
Jesus christ shmupniggers are the fucking worst

>>12385969
>they are slot machines where you input thousands of hours and sometimes you hit the jackpot and sometimes you dont
yeah bro. all those high scores and world records? all those live events and competitions? complete flukes. you fucking retard.

>>12385969
>zoomers laugh at you for being bad at video games
>WAAAHHHHH ITS ALL A SLOT MACHINE
lmfao

>>12385984
>>12385985
>>12385996
>>12386001
X X X X, Not even close to understanding my statement. Reset your timer and go again.

>>12386004
You're coping that you do not know how to practice or see the value of practice. There's nothing else to it. Maybe try a gacha, an actual slot machine, next time.

>>12385969
Those Tetris competitions where you need 10+ maxouts in 2 hours to qualify? Roll the slots baby!

>>12385926
It's true though. Zoomers didn't discover the Mew glitch and zoomers didn't invent Green Demon

>>12386072
>Zoomers didn't invent thing for games made before they were born
Water is wet.

>>12385662
Now you understand why generational memes are dumb. You aren't those guys, the average person is a retard regardless of how old they are. No one should be proud of their generation's accomplishments, because it has nothing to do with them.

>>12385662
>It's the zoomers that popularized grinding out ranked games
No, it wasn't.
Didn't read the rest of your post after this nonsense.

>>12386105
Well anon was saying zoomers are, like, the best ever

>>12386128
>No, it wasn't.
You're not contemplating on the word "popularized" enough here; the cultural conditioning surrounding gaming back then is night and day compared to now. Back then real life obligations caused too much friction between grinding out a game and fulfilling responsibilities. Coupled with the fact that the motivation was purely intrinsic (which has its limits), you just didn't see people fully push a game as much as they could. Nowadays? There are hundreds of streamers right now, right at this moment, making a decent living grinding out a game day in and out, for literally full-time hours. The motivation that exists now has extrinsic value; you literally have sponsors putting in money into these gaming scenes, there are real stakes beyond impressing 5 people in a niche forums now. That kind of dedication was absent back then because the conditions were wholly different; gaming even at the highest level in the olden days was a glorified hobby at best. We have literal superpower hardware companies investing in specialized gaming hardware and software meant to push gaming skill-caps, it's a different world now.

Back then just 100%ing a game was enough for you to be called a sweat.

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"Generations" are artificial constructs invented to divide us and keep us fighting amongst ourselves.

Honestly my nephews can't even finish the first SMB level, they try fail and give up, then they go back to Roblox.

My 5 year old niece beat SMB1 in 4:55 back in the day. She said it was boring and went back to Subway Surfers.

>>12385662
Those are all exceptions to the rule that zoomers cant play retro games without abusing save states.

>>12385908
cope
the whole point is who is better at games, not who has the most "fun"
and I'm pretty sure those top players are having lots more fun playing than you or me, or do you think they put thousands of hours into something they hate?
(I know there are addicts who regret spending so much time on certain games, but that's not all of them)
I prefer a more chill playstyle myself, but what is fun depends on the person and some people have more fun being tryhards

>>12386248
SHUT IT DOWN

>>12385969
Real

>>12385969
>skill is just luck
LMAO

>>12386248
everything is an artificial construct, you twink. humanity is no better than animals, we make up scapegoats to get mad at to balance our brain chemicals because it's easier than dissecting every problem that springs up in our way.

>>12385918
God you guys are stupid as fuck

>>12385969
>Neither of these hobbies are competitive they are slot machines where you input thousands of hours and sometimes you hit the jackpot and sometimes you dont. Neither require consistency.
You're fucking stupid, dude. Not to mention you don't know what fucking consistency means

>>12385283

fr i don't know where to go

>>12386004
retard

>>12385530
kek

>>12385530
AI really will doom society wont it

>>12386506
>we
succumbing to a construct, identifying with a concept, adopting shared responsibility, wallowing in the mundane.

>>12386813
yup whatever you said homie

>>12385662
Zoomers and boomers are equally good/bad at games. The difference is that games used to be for nerds, now they're trying to sell games to everyone including your grandma. Hardcore games for nerds still exist and nerds are still trying to autistically optimize even casual games to hardcore levels, but it's all been pushed to the side, away from mainstream gaming, when it used to be at least somewhat mainstream gaming.

>>12385530
BASED mario

>>12386335
>zoomers cant play retro games without abusing save states
I don't believe most millennials could either. Since the thread is about SMW, oldfags would savescum romhacks all the time. Just look at raocow's first LPs back in the Google Video and early YouTube days, he would save or reload like every 10 seconds.

>>12386846
nowadays he commits CBT by trying to play every romhack as hardcore as he can

>>12385430
they should of taken that out of the game. There isnt even a warning. I hope someone got fired for that blunder.

>>12386846
early youtube lpers were always retards, smart people used vimeo

>>12386889
wrong. shit like vimeo and dailymotion never caught on and were never relevant

>>12385394
That's pretty hilarious and is the exact kind of reason I abuse save states regardless of tryhards' opinions

>>12386889
You are so desperate

>>12386892
not with retards, sure, and there's always been more of you.
>>12386901
desperate

>>12387013
cope zoomie

>>12387018
why, thank you!
lovely thing to say.

>>12386889
Retard

tube kiddies lol

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>>12386889
Sure, all those 2 people that checked it once during a week in 2005 were having a blast.

millennials are so embarrassing

>>12387043
retard kiddo, video lps began in 2007 and were necessarily watched by relatively few people. youtube lps were synonymous with low quality and poor game mastery.

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>>12387062
Any more retarded takes, shitposter-kun?

>>12387065
lol, what do you think that proves. what percentage of people googling youtube are looking for lps virtually all of which are coming from a a singular forum at that point?
you're a dumbo, kiddo. ai and google trends can't help you to improve your reasoning skills.

>>12387065
i'm a flaming faggot and cannot cope with 14 year olds being better than me at a game i've been playing for 30 years

>>12387068
why so mad, zoomer? younger people have better reflexes. completely normal.

>>12387067
Just more shitflinging with zero evidence as I expected. No, your niche forum with 3 active users on it never mattered. Thank you for your concession.

>>12387068
It's ok anon. Think of it as carrying the torch.

>>12387070
>Just more shitflinging with zero evidence
you and i both provided the evidence, i used reasoning on it. lps came from something awful, this is all archived and documented. you have google searches of website names. i don't think you understand argument isn't simply providing data, it's using reasoning to understand it. this is a vital part of intellection.

>>12387068
>playing for 30 years
These oldfags aren't playing the game. It's like 99% hanging out with their manchild buddies and 1% playing the game while drunk, all while treating the game as their whole personality.

>>12387074
>the game
hehe, loser

>>12387072
the origin is irrelevant
your claim of "smart people" using vimeo is debunked when the evidence shows zero people used it
use your brain retard

>>12385283
wrong

>>12387072
What does Something Awful have to do with Vimeo? You have no idea what you're talking about. Anyway, thanks for the concession.

>>12387078
the evidence doesn't show zero people used it. the evidence shows that less people used google search to find vimeo and dailymotion and most likely blip.tv than youtube, which stands to reason because early lps weren't searched for on google and wouldn't have the video hosting in the search if they were. anon wasn't even aware of when lps started.
very poor argumentation. i'm disappointed in you kiddos.

>>12387080
running away already? lazy.

>>12387083
I showed you 2004-2005 first because Vimeo would be at 0 otherwise. Sorry but the data doesn't lie.

>>12387085
you lost mate

>>12387086
as an aside, vimeo was getting such traffic from video lps that they banned gaming videos in july of 2008. you can look this up on google.
i can teach you a lot of history on this if you're interested in learning.

>>12387087
nope :)
i haven't even been given a challenge. you kids are just bad at this.

>>12387090
you lost mate

>this entire thread
/v/ is unironically better than /vr/ post hack.

>>12387092
i ain't heard no bell, m8. ;)

>>12387097
lol, no.
it's just a group of tards shitting on every /v/ related board. it's fun to fuck with them.

>>12387089
>can't argue
>post irrelevant evidence
you lost mate

>>12387107
cope and sneed.

>>12387097
This thread is just calling out oldfags for who they are kek
Don't get so offended

>>12387098
You lost mate.

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>they got le banned
yeah that sure happened.

>>12387113
>furaffinity
Yep, where all the smart people hang out

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>>12387113
yes.
https://web.archive.org/web/20080724221340/http://vimeo.com/blog:140

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>>12387118
very smart.

>>12387123
yes, vimeo was run by retards. it's funny looking back, at all the elitists praising that decision when they could've blown up by continuing to capture the gaming sector with hd services which youtube didn't offer.

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>>12387123
>a video of kids in a pool
Oh my god...

>>12387127
cancel vimeo. oh wait, no one used them in the first place

it's funny how mad this kid gets at being called slow. massive insecurity about things that happened on the internet when he was a tiny child.

>>12387136
Except pedo rings apparently kek

>>12387145
cheese pizza was more on emule and other p2p programs.

>>12387123
nothing about anything they do is smart
i suddenly don't feel bad for their zero users anymore.

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>>12385283
I don't personally think it gets hard until the forest of illusion

having to find the right exit can be tough if you don't know what to expect

some of the ghost houses are like this as well

>>12387552
also butter bridge is a BITCH

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>>12385283
After I'm done with 3 I will start this.
Wonder if it will get as bullshit in the latter levels.

>>12385283
The only challenging part is getting the secret in Valley Ghost House, the rest of the game is easy
as fuck
>>12385674
Let me guess, you can't beat Pokemon Red and Blue

>>12385283
We don't talk about this subject, but yeah. People who grew up with Nintendo have a skill with Mario that's almost natural to them and everyone around them, but people on Sega and such don't actually have those skills. I suck ass at Mario. I think I've beaten Mario World, but I don't remember it being easy.
I also don't think 2D Mario is very good, but that's a whole different topic

>>12385283
I sucked at vidya when I was 8 playing this on the DS, since the DS was backwards compatible with GBA and I was still able to beat this game, even if I got game overs. This is coming from someone who had a hard time finishing most games.

>>12385283
No, it isn't

>>12387097
Prior than the hack, it died with the rule change

>>12388365
I finally made my gf, a gen Z who grew up on ps1 and ps2, play Super Mario World, I chose World because I deem it the easier of the retro Mario games to get into.
Well, she was completely crushed by it and got super frustrated. She was able to barely make it through Yoshi's Island 2 but starting from YI3 she wasn't able to beat ANY level, I also keep reminding her to use the run button to jump longer but I don't know, she can't grasp it.
I keep beating levels (we were playing 2 player mode) and by the time she tried Donut Plains 3 she gave up.
I then gave her my 3ds and she played New SMB2 and had a much easier time with it, started beating levels and got to the first castle all on her own.
She's also not bad at video games but admittedly her expertise is puzzle games like Puyo Puyo, Dr Mario and Tetris.
She also plays some survival horror games and FPSs, but I guess 2D action/platformer just isn't on her system.
Still, it made me realize how SMW is only "easy" for those of us who played lots of Mario and platformers in general.
The New series really was made with less skilled/experienced players in mind

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thanks doc

>>12388879
Watching people not run in Mario is a very very hard thing to do.

>>12386248
All the 4chan threads that are about generational warfare are complete garbage and the shittiest part of this website, thats for sure.

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>>12388879
The New series is extremely underrated