It has always been jarring as hell to me how almost nobody plays this game as it has arguably some of the most important moments in the entire series that go on to be referenced.Beyond that I really love how the game plays and think every MGS fan should experience it at least once.I also heavily disagree with the notion of people going "eh MGS1 is pretty much a remake anyways" like yeah no shit it used a similar structure but it is still very different.You wouldn't say "JoJo Part 5 is basically a remake of Part 3 so don't experience that!"
https://youtu.be/2sGxUkubKjg?si=XRwe44F0sXRBJ75VKino.
>>12387328I agree with everything here, except for...>"eh MGS1 is pretty much a remake anyways"MGS1 was deliberately a remake of SS, exactly because it never got ported out and localized to markets that weren't Japan. Even the first game got a butchered NES port, and the original was available in English if you happened to have an MSX and lived in Europe. SS got absolutely no love outside of Glorious Nippon.
>>12387347I get it and 100% see the similarities but I would define it more as a refinement and almost apology letter game for that very butchered NES port, not a remake.
>>12387328This is the problem with MSX games. They were all confined to the MSX, there are some excellent original games on it that have never been ported, or done so properly at least. Nowadays you can play these on steam, or they were included in some later games, but still. Imagine a world where Metal Gear 1 and 2 were properly ported or remade on the SNES, Master System, NES or Genesis.A lot werere deserving of this, some got them, still others did not. Even the ones on the MSX2 that scrolled smoothly.
>>12387347>Even the first game got a butchered NES portThat was a complete disgrace but the source material was so good that it was actually still good. Still a complete and utter disgrace though.
>it's a remakeYou can read a summary of the second game in MGS1. I don't know why you'd entertain the notion of MGS1 being a remake unless you are completely braindead.
I always prefered the first metal gear ,much more fast paced
What are other good overhead stealth games?
it s like one of the finest 2d games but more importantly it laid down the foundations for other mgs games like it was a blueprint for mgs 1 and i wished some indie games couldd catch up on this
>>12387362Not at that time, but Metal Gear was recently ported to the Mega Drive:https://youtu.be/XwwF-Bbop7Q
>>12387362> Imagine a world where Metal Gear 1 and 2 were properly ported or remade on the SNES, Master System, NES or Genesis.This would've been a game changer. Konami wouldn't have to hide their time all they way until 1998 for the series to catch on with normies.
>>12387392bide*all the way*Whoops
>>12387328I must be retarded, I just can't into this game or the original MG. How did you find it on yourselves to actually enjoy this and finish? I get filtered hard triggering alerts and running out of rations, so I never finished it.
>>12387396Metal Gear is not a normie series. It is iconic but most normies get hard filtered by it, maybe at most playing 3 or 5.
>>12387328>You wouldn't say "JoJo Part 5 is basically a remake of Part 3 so don't experience that!"i'd tell people to go to the parts that interest them. like outside of part 6 and to a lesser extent part 3 jojo parts are basically self contained stories.why would i tell someone who only wants to read one or two parts to read multiple parts they're not really interested in to get to them? that's silly.
>>12387374not /vr/, but picrel
>>12387413metal gear aren't that hard of games and you can virtually brute force most sections and most of 2 and 4 is a movie with the later also being a third person shooter.the only actual filter i can see for the games is the moments where kojima tries to be cute and does things like "swap controller ports to beat mantis" or "meryl's codec number is on the back of the box"also every metal gear game up to MGS3 is basically the same game.
>>12387469Let me tell you something.You know how DSP plays MGS2? Most normies I've seen try MGS play x10 worse.They get hard fucking filtered by these games dude, trust me.
>>12387413It seems you are confusing metal gear for metal gear solid. MGS is absolutely normie tier, EGM used to have it on covers and rave about it. Not necessarily a bad thing in this case but they aren't some autist-only hidden gem.
>>12387471No I'm not really confusing it, I am more so referring to the entirety of MG and MGS as just MG. I don't know if there is another all encompassing name, but do get the difference.
>>12387350You know what? That's a fair take. Good point. I would argue that Snake's Revenge was meant to be the apology, though. Personally, I don't think SR deserves nearly the amount of shit it gets. It was a good game.
MGS1 worked because most players hadn't played MG:SS.Also Jojo Part 5 to Part 3 is not a good comparison.
>>12387413Pretty much everyone I know played MGS, and a lot at least tried 2 out but most of us quit playing cause Raiden is gay and everyone wanted to play as snake. Snake is a bad ass, he fucks bitches, smokes cigarettes, blows shit up, kills terrorist and saves the good guys. Gayden on the other hand calls his girlfriend when his tummy hurts :,(. They fucking hit us with a bait and switch? You play 5 minutes of the game at a kiosk and you'll think you play as snake the whole game. Why wouldn't you?
>>12387790>You play 5 minutes of the game at a kiosk and you'll think you play as snake the whole game. Why wouldn't you?Because you're a retard without pattern recognition skills that re-attempts the captcha 3 times at the very least.
>>12387328I beat it on my MSX2 (Panasonic A1wx) & Megaflashrom recently. I had a jolly time, and it was cool to see so many elements that would be reused and expanded later in the series.
>>12387328>it has arguably some of the most important moments in the entire series that go on to be referenced.Because the other game perfectly explains them you retard. Oh you want a medal for playing obscure outdated shit? Okay. *poopoo medal handed to anon**anon levels up gains 67 points in gayness*
>>12387465SO DON'T FUCKING POST IT
>>12387942Were you born stupid or did you have to learn to think this dumb?Oh, in MGSV, they perfectly explain that Naked Snake killed The Boss! I guess there is no reason to see it. You should be handed a medal for seeing that obscure shit.
>>12387949You will never be a janny.
>>12387470the fact that DSP got through the entire series by bumbling his way through everything just proves how full of shit you are.
What is the best version to play MG and MG2? MSX emulator?
the lack of diagonal movement is hard to go back to after ghostbabel.
>>12387328People who skipped the MSX games:>before MGS, Snake destroys two metal gears, "kills" gray fox, kills big boss, who in the end reveals to him that he is his fatherPeople who played the MSX games:>wait what happened to Holly White? What happened to OILIX? How come Gray Fox's gf was never mentioned again and since when does he have a sister? Wait, when does BB ever tell snake that he is his father? And so on
>>12387931>he has to solve the captchaOutted yourself as the real retard there, chief.
>>12388125You don't have the goy pass faggot.
>>12388090with all the milking konami has done of mgs it's pretty dumb that they've never done an mg2 remake, I guess they're isn't enough ready made content to ape.
>>12388090Not everything has to be hyper explained you fucking autists, just imagining some of this is more fun.Also you must be daft as hell to not realize that OILIX was never a thing to begin with. Its honestly really obvious.
>>12387412Are you playing the NES or MSX version? I've only played the MSX version but you can keep re-entering a room to max out on rations. Either way I just try to avoid combat since it's more like an adventure game.
>>12387374That really isn't stealth, but yeah you can press yourself up against walls to evade bullets in tight corridors.
>>12388154NES> you can keep re-entering a room to max out on rationsDamn, I should really try out MSX then and thanks for the tip anon.
>>12387953You ask me if I'm stupid then you deliberately make a false equivalency. Get bent nerd. You're not special for playing a game no one gives a flying f&&ck about.
>>12387328IDK, MG2 always felt stiff to me in a way that MG1 or the later games didn't.
>>12388138TFW no 3D Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 remake
>>12387376>and i wished some indie games couldd catch up on thisWell, there is UnMetal:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGGM1fuqLBA
>>12388036Blue MSX is a cycle accurate emulator from what I hear, I use it. Not sure how it compares to the Steam version. I think it doesn't matter and any version you get is fine. I think it's on Switch as well.
>>12388196What a womanly comment to make on a retro gaming board.
>>12388190Don't even bother with the NES version. Not worth it.
>>12388196You talk like a troon and troons are beneath the worth of my attention.
>>12388036The recent Master Collection version of Metal Gear Solid 1 includes them both I think.
>>12387328This was always Metal Gear 2 for me
>>12387328>You wouldn't say "JoJo Part 5 is basically a remake of Part 3 so don't experience that!"Actually, I would say that. Jojo is cool but gets pretty tiring after 5 chapters of basically the same thing
>>12387471>It seems you are confusing metal gear for metal gear solid.No, you're a retard
>>12388490This is one of those things that needs to deleted from history, like all copies destroyed and all publications about it burned. Scrubbed from the internet too. The funniest thing about this one is that it was intended for a western release (US/EU) and was never released in Japan so the first thing they did was start including black people. I blame Hollywood and movies like Die Hard.
>>12387790you can't really tell the story kojima wanted to tell with a character like snake post the events of mgs1. the colonel AI twist requires a character that's green and accepts the basic premise of a government authority figure giving him orders.
>>12387330Legitimately one of the best intros ever in a video game. They don't make them like this anymore.
>>12388580Snake's Revenge is not a bad game and has what I consider one of the best music pieces from the entire series. https://youtu.be/GYKjNOcjDXY?si=Ovz0VBwmV0jS2P4gThis game was also made by the original NES Castlevania team
>>12388864Damn that actually sounds pretty good, might check this version out sometime.>>12388681Exactly.
>>12388036They are both on disc 2 of MGS3 subsistence for PS2. You can play them right away without needing to unlock anything. The controls are improved from the MSX versions but the character portraits were redone to match the style of MGS. The steam versions are identical to these as far as I know.
>>12388012Anyone can bumble their way through most games after failing hundreds of times. They’re digital toys, not real world accomplishments.
>>12388207It's actually slow because of the hardware limitations. There is a hack to enable it taking advantage of MSX turbo R's faster CPU.
>>12387328Bought my copy of MGS3: Subsistence specifically to play this. Wasn't disappointed either. There's a guy on youtube called Loresmith who has been doing a respectable AI produced conversion of the MSX Metal Gear games into a short video series, he's partway through MG2 now and only gets better at what he does each video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbpVrSfE_Lg
>>12391836Great watch. thanks anon
>>12387328Played both MG1 and MG2 on the master collection a while ago. MG1 is a good game but 2 is way better in every single way (actually I think MG1 animations are more fluid), for some reason the music left an impression on me.It's a shame most fans dismiss both titles.
>>12388090>And why is Dr. Madnar treated like he never existed since he was the original Metal Gear inventor, not those pants-pissing Emmerichs?Sadly, MGS lore treats the MSX games as minor and mostly irrelevant footnotes.
>>12392534I wouldn't say that, they just retcon out most of the small detail. gray fox, big boss, and the endless war speech at the end of mg2, are very important to the first 4 games.
>>12392630>they just retcon out most of the small detailThat is to say, everything that doesn't directly relate to Snake, Fox, and Big Boss as seen in MGS1 and onward.
>>12387328>It has always been jarring as hell to me how almost nobody plays this game It’s been out on the collection for more than a decade, you’re not the only person who has played it >as it has arguably some of the most important moments in the entire series that go on to be referenced.Well if you’re not a zoomie you may have played the nes metal gear before metal gear solid and MGS does a fine job of going over the events of mg2 so I assume you’re just being a faggot
>>12392650maybe word your posts better hth
This game apparently is so important but it doesn’t even show that Big Boss is Snake’s fatherThat is just retconned that it happened in this game through the prologue of MGS1
>>12388490Alright /vr/, give it to me straight. Is this game actually good? Worth a play? A good first 2D Metal Gear experience or would it ruin playing the originals afterwards?
>>12393280Top right looks like a Dr. Wiley that has seen way too much shit kek
>>12393336It’s literally Einstein, who Wily was modeled after.
>>12393358All the characters in the original release were based on actual people. The re-releases had to change them due to laws regarding celebrity likenesses (Snake and Campbell are literally copied from the GBC game).
>>12393301I would at least play the original NES Metal Gear before trying Snake's Revenge. Are either as good as the MSX games, no. But these were the Metal Gear games many of us grew up with and they are enjoyable in their own way.
>>12393280I'm seeing Mel Gibson, Einstein, Tom Berenger and Sean Connery. Not sure on some of the others maybe Ruchard Crenna and Dolph Lundgren?
>>12393567Bald dude under Snake Gibson is supposedly Bob Hoskins
>>12387963Nobody will force you to care about post quality, but you will be treated differently
>>12393567I think I see Sylvester Stallone in there too
Was MGS the first soft reboot of the modern era? It's technically a sequel but basically a remake.
>>12393567Jeff Stryker is there too. I think Kojima is secretly a gay.
>>12399129I was about to say ALTTP (even though it's a prequel) but MG2 came first. That's crazy
>>12399129You're right
>>12392534Venom/BB could never use the Emmerichs after Huey's flagrant and repeated betrayals of MSF and Diamond Dogs in favor of XOF and Cipher. Huey and his son would also have been too risky to use once they were both in the States as they were both most likely under heavily Patriot surveillance (also sponsoring Hal's Metal Gear REX years later).It also cleverly explains why Metal Gear TX-55 and D's weak points were its legs - only Granin and both Emmerichs knew how to make strong robot legs. They only scientist Venom/BB could find on short notice that had any known direct experience working on giant nuclear equipped bipedal robots was the robotics/bionics engineer who designed Sahelanthropus' hands (they just retconned his age so wouldn't be a shambling corpse come MGS4)
