So, they made 3 games, all in a relatively short time, all extremely financially successful and beloved by millions of people. How did they arrive at the conclusion that they should NEVER FUCKING EVER make another game like them?
But they made X right after
>IX>belovedby whomst
>>12388102>no overworld>no ATB
they lost the ability to make them after the gooch left, enix merger and elevating the retard nomura
>>12388097Change of the guard. Its why 9 is often considered such a love letter to the series, it was basically a big retirement party for some of the people who made final fantasy what it was.
>>12388097FFX is the GOAT and I’mTired of pretending it’s not
>>12388103Contrarians and weebs
>>12388203>Liking 9 is contrarian
>>12388205It is if you've played it
>>12388205Yeah I don't get that anon. IX was excellent
>>12388205This. It's easily the best of the 3 PS1 games.
>>12388220Its just zoomers filtered by the load times outing themselves.
>>12388097NO, they made all these games in less than 6 years.
>>12388097>>12388164>a big retirement party for some of the people who made final fantasy what it wasThat's pretty much confirmed with FF7 remake. The people who could do classic FF are long gone.
>>12388115SaGachads invent it ten years prior once again.
>>12388249
>>12388205I usually forget that IX even existed, when I was growing up everyone was obsessed over VIII and VIII, then X and that movie came out around the same time kids were entering middle or high school, and everyone had moved on to newer franchises
>>12388282Thats because 7 was usually their first, 8 was a disapointment because it wasn't 7-2, and 10 introduced shit like voice acting. 9 didn't really have any normie bait compared to everything around it, but most people who started the series before 7 loved it.
>>12388115>ATBThe ATB in FF9 sucked. I remember playing it at the time and thinking "ATB must be a played out system I am not enjoying this at all." I'd just finished playing Xenogears which had a CTB-like system similar to FFX.ATB had always been a gimmick, I'm not surprised at all that devs dropped it.Of course, looking back, I realize that it was probably due to lots of other issues with FF9 combat suckage>overworldI really think JRPG developers just forgot the point of even having an overworld. They had gotten so focused on storytelling and locations, they just didn't get the point. Again this trend is evident in FF9, where the overworld is an afterthought you're barely allowed to access for most of the game.
>>12388097they made X which was perfect,but then they made that movie that nearly bankrupt them,that's why they merged with enix,after the movie they just could not risk anymore, and they started playing safe>X was good, so let's make X-2>kingdom hearts>7 was good so let's milk the shit out of it (movie, crisis core, etc)then they made 13 which was in dev hell for years, and it was just a big meh,did it even break even? I am not sure,they made 13-2 because they already had the engine ready to go and they needed to push out a new game with minimum effortsame for 13-3, which is the shittiest final fantasy to date
>>12388205You missed the>and weebsyou faggot
>>12388331You're on an indonesian basket weaving forum.
>>12388249Square used to have a lot of divisions with very little overlap between them, some of which were just straight up smaller devs they bought out, it creates the illusion of a single company having an insane output but in reality it's a big company and then a bunch of smaller companies all making games under the same umbrella.
>>12388273cringe
>>12388273>Xenogears "Great">FF Tactics "Good"bizarre
>>12388273based
>>12388097Back then devs were just nerds, straight white men and straight asian men. Maybe a few FOIDS for clothing design and some songs. No gays or diversity hires, no mentally ill troons or commies or p3dfiles etc
>>12388097Japanese games do most of their sales in the west, and western game journalists were on an insane crusade against turn-based RPGs from 1998-2005. Writing review after review where they called Japanese games and Western games with a slow pace bad and "oUtDaTeD" then they'd say some corny shit about Deus Ex or System Shock 2 that had nothing to do with what they were talking about.Western Game Journalists successfully created and marketed an alternative understanding of history where Final Fantasy was bad and outdated and Metroidvanias and FPS-RPGs were the future of the industry, despite all of those games selling like total fucking ass in the 90s.
>>12388103IX is great and zidane was an absolute chad
>>12388097>>12388102Love when retarded OP gets owned in the first post.
FF8bros, it's time to assert of dominance once again over the other losers.
>>12388103>beloved by whomstit's the best of the PSX era imo. it really captures the essence of classic Final Fantasy before it became that weird Magitek slop, including the design of Vivi based on the original Black Mage.A lot of actual fans of the series love it very much, including Sakaguchi himself who said it was his fave.>>12388203>weebs love itgot me there. ad hominem tho. you are toothless.
>>12388602FFVIII is actually a life sim.
>>12388103Basic bitches
>>12388602>Everyone talks about Sabin suplexing the train>Nobody cares Zell ran around the entire planet just to donkey punch a bitch
>>12388249I'm a 16-bit fag through and through but Square's output during the PS1 era was something else.
>>123883089 would have greatly improved from FF10's CTB system, but they just used the frame work that existed already.
>>12388615> including the design of Vivi based on the original Black Mage.Vivi is a great example.I would also suggest Garnet is visually evocative of the white mage. Freya is a homage to the dragoon archetype. Steiner too was heavily inspired by the of games IMHO.
>>12389226OG games*
>>12388451Commies work on video games? Like the North Korean racing game you mean? Kek. What does that have to do with Japanese or Western dev culture?
>>12389226>Steiner too was heavily inspired by the OG games IMHO.Steiner was, not making this up, inspired by Inspector Zenigata of the 55+ year Lupin III manga / anime series about a mischievous horny thief that almost every Japanese person knows.
>>12389234That's a neat influence. Didn't think about their personalities at all. Thank you for this trivia anon.
>>12388097Took you long enough to realize that the 00's was the start of the soulless era. And it was pretty much overnight too starting from 2001.
>>12388097>made 3 games>why not make same game forevermore???i dunno, the answer could be more complex than vr can handle, with no targets for finger pointibg
>>12389362>Arrow points to ojective>Follow the marker, this is 60% of the game >Mash x to attack, dodge when the enemy lights up or makes a noise indicating they're attacking in 5 seconds.>Party management? How about a skill tree that gives the illusion of choice where you pick 5% attack or 5% magic because graphics are more important than actual player autonomy and balancing a game with many options is hard."Progress," everone.
>>12388103People who have actually played it instead of feeling insecure because of the character designs.
>>12388308>ATB has always been a gimm-...ACK!
>ATB is a gimmick Everyone knows having all the time you want to make decisions makes battles exciting and tense...
>>12389562I had most exciting and tense battles in X, so for me the time didn't factor much. Look, I want to get through the battles as fast as I can anyway. But I also want to afford the time to check out options.
>>12389569>I had most exciting and tense battles in XWell idk what to tell you. I'm on my 5th X playthrough, not over leveling, and random encounters are jokes. Bosses are puzzles where you find their weakness. You can spend as much time as you want.To me, it's the antithesis of tense.In the last 1/3rd of X there are super bosses, dark aeons, and monster hunting bosses, but you generally know what you're getting into and will be prepared, or at least have time to scan the enemy and think.I still love X, obviously, but to me ATB was the best system, they just made all the ATB games too easy.
>>12389581I wish it was harder too, but I've also played it a few times already and I know it by heart. I remember how tense the first times were.
>>12388205It was a contrarian position when the game released, this isn't news to anyone who is old enough to have been there. Me and my friend were the only ones who appreciated it the rest of our friend group (10 or so other kids) thought it was gay.
>>12389232Kid is just ragebaiting, incoherently that is.
>>12389671Sounds like the rest of your friend group was filtered by 7, the easiest FF game second to IV.
>>12388103Most people outside of this board
>>12388539OP is talking about Final Fantasy games
>>12388102X isn’t that good and should not be in this conversation. I know it was your first FF game, but let it go.
>>12389560It's a gimmick in FFX-2 also.Gimmicks aren't inherently bad. They're just not deep/comprehensive/etc.Wizardry-style "mostly-1D" combat is inherently limited. ATB adds an extra feature, but is also constraining as you have to balance animations and queues speed and such.
>>12388473>western game journalists were on an insane crusade against turn-based RPGs from 1998-2005They were quite right to be. The genre as a whole has absolutely atrocious gameplay, and is completely inferior to both good tactical games and good action games, having more limited strategy than either while giving players trivially easy outs through grinding.>Metroidvanias and FPS-RPGs were the future of the industry,I'm glat that the former at least became massively more popular. Indie 2D Metroid-like games were barely a thing until the late 00s.
>>12388308>in FF9, where the overworld is an afterthought you're barely allowed to access for most of the game.An afterthought?Dude.This game has more overworld than ANY other Final Fantasy, and you access it ALL the time. There are outright resitrictions to prevent you from exploring so much of it, they think a lot about it. There walk paths, drive paths, sail paths, ocean paths, flight "but no mist" paths, alien flight paths, yellow/teal/red/blue/gold chocobo paths, places you can ONLY visit from the overworld, places that DESTROY YOU despite the moogles telling you "HOLY SHIT, DON'T GO UP THERE RIGHT NOW, YOU ARE UNDERLEVELED AS FUCK YOU'RE GOING TO FUCKING DIE," multiple entries to a single town depending on where in the overworld you travel from, some towns outright reward you for choosing to travel its overworld to get to the other side with new quests and npcs and treasures and plot...No. FFIX has A LOT of thought put into its HUGE overworld.
>>12389232Something something leftists, something something pretending to be retarded, something something impossible discourse.
>>12388097>How did they arrive at the conclusion that they should NEVER FUCKING EVER make another game like them?They put Kitase in charge of the series and all he cared about was pushing realism which in turn killed genre staples such as world maps and airships.
>>12388097You see Final Fantasy is defined by innovation. One game lets you cast spells with magicite and another lets you learn spells from equipment and that is why we need to literally switch entire genres with each new game.
>>12389823The only reason FFX isn't the best JRPG ever made is because FF7 exists. It's not even a close competition. Most JRPGs suck.
>>12388273Imagine getting filtered by a racing RPG
>>12388205>>12388220>>12388226I disagree but I'm started replaying it today and I'll concede if I enjoy it more than I did my first playthrough 20 years ago
>>12390964Try not to spend the load times checking twitter to share your opinion every fight
... whatever
>>12390351>Sludge Lagoonoverrated, terrible Hillslop memeslation, better "RPG but cars" games exist such as the entire fucking Tokyo Xtreme Racer series and early Gran Turismo.
>>12388205Right, 9fags aren't contrarian they are just freaks and weirdos living in their own reality. The contrarians are the 8 fans.
they made final fantasy x after which is the 2nd greatest RPG of all time, after final fantasy 7. FF8 tried some new things, was interesting but never lived up to the mastery and hype of FF7. FF9 was a slow meandering shit show and is a bad game. Only FFX lived up the Squaresoft quality. Keep in mind at the time of FF8, Square also made Parasite Eve which is also one of the best 3d RPGs of all time. If you're wondering why they dont still make great games, they almost went bankrupt from trying to make an AI waifu from their stupid cartoon movie named final fantasy that had nothing to do with final fantasy. and they spent all this time trying to generate a CGI woman in 2001 and promoting her, she was on the cover of maxim mag. so they almost went bankrupt and the far shitteir company ENIX who was still making boring slow 2d RPGs (dragon warrior 7) in 2001 when Squaresoft was making legendary 3d games that pushed the boundaries of the console and still look amazing today in 2026 (final fantasy x) merged with them. everything as SQUARE ENIX has sucked, because enix is a shitty company that makes boring stupid games (the majority of the dragon quest series) and their shit style has been pervasive into all of the formerly great Square style. not to mention they're just now firing all the troons like who told them to include the "stand up for groomer pride" shit in the terrible, shameful FF7 remake, so for over a decade they had women and troons preaching about what should be in their games
>>12390964hopefully on a computer or some other system with a 4x speed up toggle for all the loading. YOU WILL NEED IT
