Shall we talk about this?
Someone put out a 3 and half hour youtube video about it, go watch that.
>>12426967Is it out??
>>12426967What about it? Interesting premise wasted because of rushed development. Avatar betraying everything he represents just to save Britania is a great concept. The execution was abysmal.
>>12426967Alright, which youtuber released a 7 hour analysis now sonny?
>>12427007https://youtu.be/W4h1GIw32UU?is=xAhEXbREd8xhQVxJ
>>12427025As expected.
>>12426967>>12426972terrible maho sys.i hope the Exult-based fan remake fixes it.>>12427025i saw it on the Ultima Dragons BBS.
I started playing Ultima 7 but had to stop because my characters needed a 3-course meal every 1 and a half hours...
>>12427038>3-course meal every 1 and a half hours...there's item for that in Serpent Isle.Otherwise Exult does add the "feed" shortcut key to Blackgate.
>>12427048My problem was more finding/buying that much food. I spent all my money on bread and meat and it was almost all gone before the day ended with just three party members. It felt like a bug or something, they would complain about hunger an hour (in-game) after feeding them.
>>12427038I had the same problem. I had to kick people from the party just to save on bread. Stopped playing shortly after I realized I was thinking of starting over with a more optimized route around food
>>12426967>>12427025Internet discussions nowadays are so lame. Being subjected to getting lied to from someone pretending to have actually played the games in question and passing a youtube videos opinion as their own is really manipulative. Its like asking chat GPT a question and seeing how adamantly it insists its answer as the truth when in reality it just scraped some reddit opinion.
>>12427075>I spent all my money on bread and meat and it was almost all gone before the day ended with just three party members.if you meant Blackgate, well you can basically bake your own bread for free. tedious though.https://wiki.ultimacodex.com/wiki/Willyyou can also buy cheap beef jerky in bunk in Paws town.https://wiki.ultimacodex.com/wiki/The_Salty_Dogalso you can kill all the horses and cows you meet for free meat.i had a bigger problem with plot items disappearing from Avatar's backpack which might be a bug, or due to pickpocketing plot NPCs.
>>12427101kek. any time I hear ridiculous stereotypes about Americans I can just kick back and if I wait a moment it'll play out front and center with 100% certainty just as advertised. here's a tip: don't "write what you know" if you can't go an hour without craving fries, lmao
>>12427123is this an AI bot? that's nothing to do with the game!
>>12427119My Ultima Underworld playthrough ended when a bug caused by too many blades of grass and debris on the ground conflicted with the item count of my inventory, so it deleted a quest item I had buried in my pack and I never realized until after I had played for quite a while and already saved after the item vanished.Apparently UU2 has the same bug but it forces the garbage items on the ground to be deleted before anything in your inventory.
>>12427143That's not even a bug just simple address space limitation.
>>12427025>>12426971>>12426972Seriously, if this is what drives discussion here then /vr/ really needs to be deleted.>>12427117This board has a problem with this more than most.
>>12427149...what? It's a bug. It's an unintended effect from something going wrong with the game code.They didn't program the game intentionally to delete your inventory if the map has too menu blood splatters.
>>12427153too many* blood splattersautocorrect
What's the best way to play?U6 is SCUMMVMU7 is ExultU8 is ??
>>12427117>>12427151This is not new, spoony was there 10 years ago. And it's not exclusive of retro games, the great majority of people always copied the opinion of the TV or the newspaper.
>>12427153>They didn't program the game intentionally to delete your inventory if the map has too menu blood splattersThey did, it's their way of dealing with the limited object pool
>>12427170Pentagram
>>12427190that's absolutely fucking retarded.
>>12427187We're talking about how threads on /vr/ are completely inorganic in discussing things out of genuine curiosity and instead timed to when some eceleb posts a video so as to farm engagement, you dumbfuck.>spoony was there 10 years agoHow many threads popped up on /v/ when he mocked Pagan like 15 years ago?>great majority of people always copied the opinion of the TV or the newspaperThose people were always retards. You are a retard for thinking it's acceptable behavior.
>>12427231That's how it always have worked, say spoony or say the AVGN.Yes even in the good old days people were using youtube opinions on /v/.>Those people were always retards. You are a retard for thinking it's acceptable behavior.I never said it's acceptable I said it's how it always have work. Now calm down.
>>12427143>ended when a bug caused by too many blades of grass and debris on the ground conflicted with the item count of my inventory,interdasting i never encountered it. then again i kept throwing stuff i didn't want or old broken equips into the water or lava to make them disappear. i also traded away non-broken stuff to get more shiny gems and food.
>>12427245>That's how it always have worked>I said it's how it always have workOh you're brown, no wonder you think inorganic discussion should be tolerated.
>>12427245i like Spoony not-bard except for his shit review of UW2, where he ragequit after dying to some headless monsters in the sewers.
>>12427212Ultima Underworld is a 16bit program there is a very real addressing space limitation.
>>12427170>U8 is ??wait for the Exult remake.
I played Pagan on my 486DX66 PC back in the day and fucking loved it BUT I was also terrible at gaming back them, though possibly because the internet hadn't been invented so there was no source for hints and cheats. During my play of the game I decided to drop every single portable item into the game into the river, on the basis that as I cleared out areas of all portable items, the items that would enable me to progress the game would become apparent. Needless to say that was idiocy and I only got as far as the wizard's house, also the jumping mechanic were sonic three barrel tier awful now go ahead and call me a retard, etc
>>12427261>I never said it's acceptable>no wonder you think inorganic discussion should be toleratedYou shouldn't be calling other people esl if you're unable to understand basic english. Now please calm down. Why are you angry?
>>12427271as goes for me, I don't like any of those know-nothing, know-it-all dipshits and I'm always disappointed to see 40+ yo posters ping back to them as if they ever mattered. stop watching youtube, don't read "games journalism", play the games you heard about et cetera. act your damn age.
>>12427271The Spoony reviews of Ultima 1-8 are supposed to be complete satire. They only exist to broadly talk about the series to create a background and explanation for his hatred of Ultima 9. Spoony admits he never even played all Ultima games for childish reason skipping the Worlds of Ultima altogether. Now the Ultima 9 review that's the stuff of legends. Even the current breed of reviewers all call back to his gripes with the game. And Spoony correctly accuses lord British of everything wrong in the world. Something that the games themselves always bend over backwards to not acknowledge.
>>12427278Pagan is a VERY interesting world. And I'm gonna say this even if everyone will disagree with me. But Pagan is the story and world building blueprint for Morrowind.
>>12427283You shouldn't be justifying this board getting drowned in engagement baiting just for the sake of discussion. See also >>12427293>The Spoony reviews of Ultima 1-8 are supposed to be complete satire. Noah's reviews were not serious. They were mostly poking fun at the games, and if thread were made it was because they wanted to discuss Spoony, not force some inorganic discussion about the games. And it's not even Majuular's review anons have a problem with, it's faggots like OP making threads without any sincerity.Being ESL, it's not surprising you can't understand this.
>>12427293>Spoony admits he never even played all Ultima games for childish reason skipping the Worlds of Ultima altogetherIn spoon's defense, he said he never played the Worlds games because apparently they were hard to find at retail, at least where he lived. That and his autism regarding the games using Ultima 6 as their foundation.
>>12427309If only Ultima 6 didn't have that border it would allow for 1 additional tile of visibility. I know the parser and party window must stay but that border man so close to making the game playable.
>>12426967>>12427025Fuck off Eceleb faggot.
>>12427318the border is there because that one extra tile would've made raised the minimum system requirements too high to make it worth it
>>12427259That's the non-patched solution, to just toss items from your pack and other useless clutter laying around into water/lava so that the object gets deleted permanently. If you see an error message after changing floors, you gotta reload and get rid of as much crap as you can until the message doesn't show.
>>12427339You sure about that? The game still tracks at least 5 tiles ahead in all directions. Add 1 overworld tile on screen and track 4 instead.
>>12427284>act your damn age.Spoony is probably older than most of you. and he's JUST LIKE ME! minus the alcoholism and rage against spinoff games.
>>12427153It's not a bug as such behavior still exists in modern Bethesda games too(from Morrowind to the most modern versions of Skyrim). Especially on consoles. But you can also get it on PC if you play on a single save long enough. It's all memory related.
>>12427301>Pagan is the story and world building blueprint for Morrowind.wtf i hate morrowwind now.but that's bullshit. TES had better game mechanics than most Ultimas, their stories are shit.
>>12427345>non-patched solutioni played the newer CD version so i guess it was patched?
>>12427363>TES had better game mechanics than most UltimasTES games have static non-interactive worlds. The most modern TES games still can't even do Ultima 7 level scripting for their NPCs. In Ultima NPC could create new objects in the game world, place them and then other NPCs could consume them which would never overflow the world tile limit. In Skyrim NPCs can't even generate or pick up in-world items. All actions they take spawn separate objects in their inventory which can actually kill your game on consoles.
>>12427357Memory issues adversely affecting a game is a bug.There's a difference between>I should've known this would cause an issue...and>This should cause this issue to occur.The former (what is happening in all your examples) is a bug.The latter could be considered sabotage.
>>12427373>TES games have static non-interactive worlds.better combat mechanics, customisability,and leveling.
>>12427367Patched or not, if you are saying that you routinely tossed stuff in water to eliminate objects then you shouldn't be surprised you never encountered the bug.
>>12427403>The latter could be considered sabotagedid Dr Cat sabotage the games because he's an evil furry?
>>12427410i like seeing them go splash. also i hate trash.
>>12427406All added 13 years after Ultima 7. The Ultima 9 engine was more advanced than Skyrim. Bethesda still can't figure out seamless dungon or interior loading.
>>12427553>added 13 years after Ultima 7.i thought the combat mechanics in Arena and Daggerfall were already superior to U7.
The crucial flaw with Ultima is that you unironically need complete physical copies of the games if you want to play them correctly. If you don't have the maps, books, and extras they were originally packaged with, you're not getting the genuine Ultimate experience.
>>12426967>I saw a YouTuber talk about it so I have to make a thread despite having nothing to say
>>12427284You're trying way too hard to be special.
>>12427721>If you don't have the maps, books, and extras they were originally packaged with, you're not getting the genuine Ultimate experience.just 3D print and Learn2Sew. well the cloth map can be cheaply made with printed transfer paper.>e.g.>https://www.contrado.com/transfer-paper-sublimation-fabric-printing
>>12426967I remember thinking the original Diablo was like some completed version of Ultima 8, given how rushed 8 even felt maybe the staff left EA and made a spiritual sequel complete edition.I only recently learned I played through the earlier "bugged" version of 8 that had more difficult platforming. Maybe it was the rushed development and incompleteness of the game which made it more interesting, as it was sort of leading the player to be the avatar mastering water, earth, fire, and air to bring peace and balance, but the player only masters earth after committing atrocities with the others being practically impossible to master leading to the player just ultimately leaving the realm to die because fuck that place. It is an interesting conclusion and somewhat non-heroic path that brings complexity as the game is sort of a hollow victory, continuing the tone that not all Ultima games end with killing the ultimate evil being.
What’s wrong with youtubers introducing people to actual good games instead of modern muck anyway
>>12428572Because it introduces mouth breathing retards that offer nothing new to the discussion.
>>12427137>is this an AI bot?Yes, it is. And it just proves that this new annoying captcha does not work.>>12427170Isn't U8 also supported by SCUMMVM?>>12427278>not killing someone for their houseThere were some people you could kill that wouldn't trigger that fire dude. So you could take over their house.>>12426967>>12427301I know it's just nostalgia, but I really liked U8. It came with my SB16 card. This is a game I wish got reversed engineered so people could fix bugs and expand it, fleshing out the story and adding that unreleased expansion.
>>12428231nay. Crusader No Remorse/Regret was the completed U8 game except it's not Ultima.
>Shitting on Majulaarwhy?
>>12428792I like him, but eceleb discourse doesn't belong on /vr/, period
>>12428792Yeah I don't get why it's common to hate people who are able to produce entertaining content, research and conversation. Lord knows /vr/ brings forth naught but tired old bait threads.
I've seen a let's play by a very slow burn YouTuber called Kikoskia. It's an incomplete, but an interesting piece of art I dare say.
>>12428792>>12428816Mostly because all of these popular video essays force-change the community and the general thoughts about the game by convincing dumb people who never played the game that they are now an expert on it.
>>12427721GOG versions have pdf copies of all that.
>>12428231
>>12428792>>12428816See >>12427307>if thread were made it was because they wanted to discuss Spoony, not force some inorganic discussion about the games. And it's not even Majuular's review anons have a problem with, it's faggots like OP making threads without any sincerity.
>>12428917nice, don't stop pushing back against this faggotry.
>>12428924Here he his attention whoring in another thread from an hour earlier >>12428210
>>12428925the saddest thing about this guy is he took pictures of his entire collection with these cutesy notes and is just sitting on the board looking for an excuse to pull something from his photo stash. imagine wasting days of your life posing game boxes just so everyone can know you're an insufferable queer.
>>12428942Even sadder is the five remaining anons here who glaze his faggotry, because "muh /vr/ community" like they want this place to be like reddit.
>>12428917>>12428924>>12428925>>12428942>>12428952we heard you the first timenobody cares who this faggot is but you
>>12428952I bet half of "them" are just him samefagging. he got caught doing it again in the Super Tempo thread.
>>124289651. see >>124289642. nobody would make a Super Tempo thread naturally so he probably made the thread himself just to post his gameswondering why you would enter a Super Tempo thread anyway because I know you never played it lol
>>12428970>wondering why you would enter a Super Tempo thread anywayobviously to marvel at marblefag's curated selection of carefully lit and lined game boxes, retard-kun.
>>12428892>community>dumb peopleMaybe that's the problem
>>12428921>And it's not even Majuular's review anons have a problem with, it's faggots like OP making threads without any sincerity.This, OP made this thread only because a big internet reviewer mentioned the game, I don't think OP has any interest in the game or ultima past what was said in the retrospective, I'm sure OP doesn't even want to bother playing the game ever in his life, just mention it on /vr/ because starting a thread like this is the easiest way to get guarantied replies.
>>12426997What we got was fantastic. The only problem was that we didn't get enough of it.It's by far the most immersive Ultima game, as well.
>>12426967Discussion of this game, and the whole Ultima series, is forever ruined by retarded parroting youtubers and the army of modern "gamers" who just repeat other people opinions while never having any intent on actually playing anything from the series. Every single discussion about the series boils down to>what's a paladin?>betraaayal >Pagan sucks>Ultima 7 is best>Remember Wizardry games? They were supper popular in Japan!The world can't end soon enough.
>>12429317Every thread about ultima should be responded with "Did you play the game?"
>>12429317>>what's a paladin?a miserly pile of secrets.the real answer is not as good as Druid in the Underworld games. it's weird that Ultima don't have a priest/cleric class.
>>12428924post /vr/ content or fuck off.>MUH I R ENJOYING MY RAGE AND REPLYING TO MYSELF TO "FIGHT GOOD FIGHT"double fuck off. >>>/b/
>>12429367oh my, to think you were so polite last time you got called out. take a pepto bismol.
Ultima 8 has amazing atmosphere. It really captures that feeling of a strange alien world because everything looks like it's hostile and it's against you, as well as things looking and feeling off. It maybe has the creepiest looking monster sprites of the era besides maybe stuff like Super Metroid.With no difficulty settings other than making your character better, you're starved early game. Getting magical pieces of armor and equipment felt like it was a big deal, when other games would dispense them like candy.I kinda wish Ultima 8 wasn't apart of the series, but I guess what works about it (like the intro of the game) is dependent on it being tied to Ultima, and to be honest, I cut my teeth on U8 growing up and trying to go back to U1-U7, they felt way too archaic for me.
>>12429418U7 is archaic to you? It's the most easily accesible of the series. At least with the Exult software with hot keys for feeding and unlocking doors and chests and health bar monitoring.U8 has goat atmosphere and I come back to it every now and again for that. Yeah it's incomplete, and pretty bad. But I like it. Only Diablo 1 matched it when it comes to the vibe. Not many reviewers talk about this. They just repeat the Spoony opinion and bitch about the controls which aren't even that bad because they're awful gamers. Spoony was awful too but at least he was entertaining. It'd be better if U8 was a side-game before the finale.
>>12429473>Only Diablo 1 matched it when it comes to the vibe.Bro I was gonna mention that in my post but just didn't feel right.Being able to explore with being able to jump/climb into near everywhere in a semi-3D feeling environment, I often reread the manual and player guide books.
>>12429473I own U8 but I haven't played it because I could never get it to run on my PC. in any case, it's terrible, disappointing and dispiriting that lolcows like Spoony are checked for their judgements when classic games are discussed in oldfag havens like /vr/.
>>12429486Spoony made it nearly impossible to talk about Pagan and Ultima back then. Well now it continues to be nearly impossible with cawntent creators like Yawnjuular. Except we get boring deep dives on behind the scenes company crap that no one is going to remember once 3 hours of their lives are gone, On top of listening to an emotionally detached canadian goy picking apart a game no modern gamer will ever touch in a million years with the precision of an autistic barber. What I'm trying to say is that I'm pissed off and thinking about re-playing Ultima 7 again because it takes me back to a time where I was actually happy
>>12429512>it takes me back to a time where I was actually happya bit OT but an easy way to improve your quality of life is to take something that's a daily chore and delegate it away or figure out a way to enjoy it. for us guys something like switching to shaving with a safety razor is enough to give you a good morale boost right away, and as you move closer to your ideal setup it flips around into a source of satisfaction.
>>12428917Woah buddy!These fags always have the same handwriting, what's up with that anyway.
>>12428917Kek, I knew that fag was responding to himself. Whenever you call him out there's always a couple faggots who will go "no way hes kewl man" but never post anything of substance. Just dick sucking.
Ultima 8 was my first game and it was so cool to kid me. Went back and played the previous Ultimas so I could understand why fans weren't happy with it.Its still a fun game though. Get the Slayer mace made it so much easier to play though.
>>12430453you can tell it's him because he'll always turn apologetic or stop responding when you reply to that shit with insults.
>>12427245It's funny how some of the shit guys like Spoony and AVGN said about some games spread and got repeated by people who never played those games to the point were they were taken as the truth despite being completely made up.
>>12427151>REEEEEEEEE NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT A GAME IF SOMEONE ELSE TALKED ABOUT IT!!! AAAARGH *tears eyes out of sockets*>DELETE THE BOARD DELETE THE BOARD DELETE THE BOARD DELETE THE BOARD DELETE THE BOARD DELETE THE BOARD DELETE THE BOARD DELETE THE BOARD DELETE THE BOARD DELETE THE BOARD >I CAN'T STAND THAT A YOUTUBE VIDEO EXISTS ABOUT A GAME!!!! THAT TAKES AWAY SOMETHING SPECIAL FROM MY LOSER FAGGOT INCEL LIFE!! I KNEW ABOUT GAME NOW EVERYONE ELSE DOES SO I'M NOT SPECIAL!!!seriously why are they like this
>>12430667Because of the mexi-melty spergs have when they're called out
>>12430483Spoony's worst Ultima video was easily Underworld 2. He didn't even talk about the other worlds at all when the game is called Labyrinth of Worlds. The headless is challenging, but if you have points in any weapon skill like any competent player would after character creation, you can kill it. Anyone who doubts how bad a player Spoony actually is just needs to watch the stream highlight someone did of him playing Fallout 2 a long time ago.
>>12428828WELCOME FOLKS, ONE AND ALL
>>12430667Absolute spergy-melty, kill yourselfy.
>>12426971But that video was made by some zombie AI-voiced zoomer with the most vague criticisms. "It didn't feel good. This was a bit off. This mechanic is unsatisfying. It was uh... too linear!"
>>12431205>this entire section of the game is just... badBravo, Blahjuular
>>12430989agreed. people seething about youtube videos should indeed off themselves.
>>12431378make another U8 video. but make it 10 hrs.
>>12430667>why can't you all pretend and indulge in my stupidity and general ignorancekys literal retard.
BETRAYAL
>>12431585sure lemme look up a Krondor vid.>inb5 banned for /lit/ game.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LwIEeG0_ws>1,714 views Streamed live on 25 Jun 2023>To celebrate the 30th anniversary of the release of Betrayal at Krondor, join the team, fans, and friends for an online celebration about this ground breaking role-playing game that was the winner of several best of the year awards in 1993, and was inducted into the Computer Gaming World Hall of Fame in 2001.
>>12426967i played it when sick from high school and thought it was hell weird, was scared of the big insect type enemies, and gave up on the game during jumping sections of some catacomb...must have got a loaned or pirated version too..anyway i liked the intro, setup, premise and concept but hated the control scheme and the look of the character. Not as good as ultima underworld but prob played it more intensely than Ultima 4.
>>12431205He probably knows and understands Ultima better than than everyone ITT.
>>12427170I have no issues playing U8 at all with regular dosbox provided through gog. There's pentagram but I don't know if that's the best or not
>>12428892All those people out there that would've otherwise played and praised Ultima 8...
>>12430667>>12431403uh oh e celeb had a melty
>>12432262You're phrasing it like its a bad thing when people that havent played a game dont talk about it. I dont want those people in the discussion and I dont want to speak to a youtube video by proxy.
>>12432458people who experience the hobby vicariously should have no place on this board at all.
We're doing the "ecelebs invented disliking U8" shtick again? Spoony was the eceleb of choice before, but nice to know there are some new names for these monotonous fags to call out now!
>>12428892Most people are NPCs by default. If not one Youtuber to get their opinions from, it'll be some other eceleb or yet another uneducated faggot they know. Some people are sheep and will never change. It's why propaganda is at all effective.Besides, nobody is going to wake up one day and suddenly say "hmm, today I will make a thread about Ultima 8". At least catalysts like the YouTube video gives us an opportunity to discuss it again. This is especially good for older games which may or may not have been discussed to death by now.
>>12432485>Besides, nobody is going to wake up one day and suddenly say "hmm, today I will make a thread about Ultima 8". Because the game is terrible and we already know that.>At least catalysts like the YouTube video gives us an opportunity to discuss it again. You are the cancer killing this board.
>>12432418>if you're tired of people crying about youtubers, it means you're a youtuber!low IQ thought pattern. as expected of someone who has pants-shitting tantrums over people making videos about video games.
>>12433631>thinking I accused anon of being a youtuberlow IQ thought pattern. as expected of someone who thinks a dying board can be kept alive with inorganic discussion.
>>12433648>thread that got derailed by seething about youtube in the very first post>"uhm ascksually i didn't say youtuber i said e celeb haha dont you look so dumb now :^)"lol. i'm honestly embarrassed for you. but again to be expected from someone who has a meltdown over people discussing things they don't like. you must be exhausting to be around. then again you also seem like someone who doesn't have many people around them to begin with which is why you're on nigerian backgammon forum having the tantrum you are having now.
Not the best game on the engine.
>>12432186No, he knows more than you zoomer retards who never played more than 5 video game titles in your life. You just can't fathom the fact there are regular, normal people out there who have played a shitton of games and aren't interested in being a streamer/youtuber. Brain damaged generation for life.
>>12433173>Because the game is terrible and we already know that.It is in no way terrible you pseud mouthbreathing shit. In fact, it's the most accessible crpg to pick up from that time. It being unfinished is the biggest reason for its negatives.
>>12433648There were PLENTY of U8 threads before this one poser shit. You just didn't notice them because you didn't know the game existed before some youtuber made a hack video.
>>12433967i have NO REGRETS,i never played them though. do a 20 hr play by play review video!
>>12429358>'s weird that Ultima don't have a priest/cleric class.Such is the cost of enlightenment brought by the Avatar and LB. Their fedora tipping cult gets completely obliterated in Serpent Isle when it turns out gods do exist and clerics can get cool powers from them.
>>12433967The cringe FMVs bring it down. So close to perfection.
>>12435629i riked it.
>>12435626>cost of enlightenment brought by the Avatar and LBseeking Nirvana thru the 8folds-path is way cool, Anontar.
>>12436597The eight fold path leads to Khorne.
>>124285724chan being 4chan
>>12428579You're of course, referring to yourself, who enters threads to make up things to get angry about and ragebait others.
>>12434102Nah, he could kick your ass in Ultima trivia.