>What do you mean the dreamcast was a 5th gen system? It was clearly the first 6th gen sys-AAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKK
>>12430064>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKK
the voices in my head
>>12430065>AAAAAAACCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKK
>>12430068>AAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCKK!
Correct, not sure why it's up for debate>console released: November 27th, 1998>last official game release: March 8th, 2007
>>12430073Dreamcast had better graphics than the PS2. PS2 was 5.5 gen. Dreamcast and Gamecube were true 6th gen systems. Xbox was 6.5 gen.
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>>12430064It actually is a 6th gen system. Those who say it isn't, are lying to you. Shenmue for example is not possible on a 5th gen console. DOA2 looks better on Dreamcast than it did on the PS2. Then of course there's Sonic Adventure, which is also not possible to make on a 5th gen console.
The PC-E was released in late 1987The Megadrive was released in late 1988The SFC was released in late 1990During half of their lives the PC-E and MD were in direct competition with the FamicomThe N64 was released in 96-97, 2-3 years after the PSX and SaturnThe Dreamcat's direct competition was the PSX during 90% of its life. The PS2 basically signed its death warrant and by the time the NGC and XBOX came out it was already dead.The fact is looking at video game platforms solely through this "generational" spectrum is flawed, it wasn't like modern gaming where all the new competiting consoles were released more/less at the same time
>>12430117>Shenmue for example is not possible on a 5th gen consoleIt was possible on two 5th gens actually.
>>12430120Generations are more about "feelings" than "facts, not sure why. Could be because having hard numbers and dates would make moderating something like a board for specific years?? i'm too drunk to continue
>>12430117Shadow of the Colossus wasn't possible on Dreamcast therefore Dreamcast is 5th Gen
>>12430078PS2>Dreamcast>Gay Cube>Shitbox
Generation is define by timeframe 5th gen is mid to last 90's while 6h is early to mid 2000Dreamcast was announced dead in january 2001 one month into the 2000's decade...It's a console from the late 90's therefore 5th gen"BUT there is already the Saturn !!!"So?Sega already released 2 consoles o the same generation the SG1000 and the master system,both consoles are considered 3th Gen Saturn and Dreamcast is just the same
>>12430120>Gen 3NES, Master System>Gen 3.5PC Engine>Gen 4Genesis/Mega CD, PCE-CD, SNES>Gen 4.532X, PCFX>Gen 5Saturn, PSX, N64>Gen 5.5Dreamcast>Gen 6PS2, Gamecube, Xbox
>>12430064It is gen 5.5, like how the Saturn is gen 4.5
These threads are so low quality
>>12430064The Wii U was still an 8th generation console even if it had shittier specs than ps4 and xbone. Same with dreamcast and 6th gen.
>>12430152The Wii u compete (get destroyed actually but you get what i mean) with PS4 and Xbox one during most of it's lifetimeThat's absolutely not the case with the Dreamcast
>>12430145I almost put Saturn in the 4.5 section in the above comment
>>12430135Faggot weeb taste. You should be ashamed of yourself.Chadbox > Dreamcast > Gamecube > Slopstation 2
>>12430135“Hates the shitbox”Okay dude but Sega basically made the Xbox the Dreamcast 2.0 when they went down. There are so many titles directly from Sega that were on the Xbox in full Sega vibrancy color and gimmick it’s ridiculous. Loving the DC and hating on the Xbox is such an odd choice for sega fans.
>>12430447So 2 years console is what I call the xbox hey evn the two big n are 2 years losers like a saturn in a Sony lifespan
>>12430469>Nonsensical ramblings of a lunatic
>>12430475Sense you can waggle with Sony 3 or wii
I guess the PS2, GC, and Xbox are all 5th gen systems too, then
generations are arbitrary bullshit that only apply when consoles lifespans actually overlap the majority of their time.Dreamcast started too early and died too quickly to truly a 6th gen console in my eyes. That's not disrespect to the DC, but its library had way more in common with the n64 and PS1 than it did with PS2/GC/XB, Dreamcast ports to those consoles after its death notwithstanding. Dreamcast was the "pro console" of its day, where you could play the same games as on n64/ps1/arcade ports with better formance, higher framerates, better textures, higher resolutions, etc
>>12430152The difference is the WiiU was still around for 4-5 years while the xbone/ps4 were out, so they competed. If the WiiU died before the other consoles even came out it'd be a different story
>>12430125And that looks like shit.
>>12430129SoC is hardly possible in the ps2 itself.>>12430136SG1000 is a generation 2 console, it effectly had Atari tier hardware.
>>12430469I’m not even trying to be mean here: I have no idea what you’re saying or the point you’re even trying to get across.
>>12430793Congrats dc owners finally seeing twas just an 64 instead not an xbo
>>12430120Dreamcast persisted until 2007 though
>>12430983Dreamcast discontinued in 2001PS1 in 2006PS1 is actually a 6th gen console!!!
>>12430889lol, sir you are drunk. Please lay down and have a rest
Reminder: it’s literally just one autist pushing this topic. Everybody everywhere considers Dreamcast to be solidly part of the same gen as PS2/GC/XB. For good reason.>consoles transitioned to higher capacity discs than CD-ROMs>internet multiplayer became more developed and mainstream - downloadable content over the internet became a thing>huge advancements in 3D rendering tech, able to render millions of polygons instead of thousands, more complex shading and texturing techniques
>>12431030Sega still sold Dreamcasts and released new games for Dreamcast until 2007>le playstation is le sixth gen!!That’s why you rely on advancements in tech and not time, dumboSame reason SG-1000 is debated to be either second or third gen, and Switch either eighth or ninth gen
>>12431046>That’s why you rely on advancements in tech and not time, dumboAh yes the Wii the famous 6th gen console
>>12430469you have 2 yeal left 2 live wat u gona do
>>12431041Dreamcast is 5.5 gen
>>12431050A better argument than for Dreamcast, still flawed>seventh gen introduced integrated online functionality for every console>wireless controllers became the norm, motion controls were introduced on a broad scale>downloadable games became commonplace>disc sizes grew even biggerWii isn’t HD, but fortunately, it’s seventh gen by several other metrics already
>>12431097>Dreamcast didn't have dual analogue stickTherefore Dreamcast is 5th gen
>>12431104It had mouse support for shooters
>>12431104OH NO NO NO PS2BROS
>>12430064>/v/turd template thread
>>12430534Dreamcast got 155 ps1 games ported to it. There was barely any ps1 ports for those other systems unless its a major game like resident evil
>>12430469Bruh....wat?
>>12431114based
>>12431114fun fact: this works with the robotron 64 port in the Midway Arcade Greatest Hits collection.
>>12431046>Sega still sold Dreamcasts until 2007Where? Certainly not in North America.
>>12432059They sold through their unused stock everywhere, even if they had to sell them online. In Japan, Sega Direct kept selling them until at least 2007.
>>12430120this is the most reasonable post in the thread.but if we're going to force things into generation, it makes the most sense to categorize the dreamcast as a 6th gen console, both since they already had a 5th gen entry, and due to the nature and style of the dreamcast's graphics and power. at best, you could say 5.5, but that seems like autistically splitting hairs.i can see how the sheer amount of ps1 ports skews that view though. even at the time i remember thinking that the dreamcast looked really cool, but also being super unimpressed at all the ps1 ports i was seeing, which somehow looked worst with the blurred textures and sharper image than they did on the lower-powered ps1.
Consider pic related
>>12430140>putting solid, smooth n64 next to jittery and pixelated psx and saturn
>>12430129Never heard of it, but I don't care anyways since Dreamcast was able to handle certain games better than a PS2 could. Therefore still 6th gen. The graphics on Dreamcast outshines anything presented in 5th gen consoles.
>>12430078Better image quality, sure, all day. Graphics? Hell to the no.
>>12432227Dreamcast couldn't run sonic 1 properly
>>12432228You obviously never owned a Dreamcast.>>12432234Sonic 1 was only meant to be played on a Sega Genesis. Anything beyond is just emulation.
>>12432241It ran better on Chadturn, that puts Dreamcast near 3DO and 32X
>>12432241You're obviously retarded.>inb4 comparison shots of sloppy-ass 2000s ports from one vastly different arch to anotherGet Silent Hill 3 running on DC without massive compromises and we'll talk. It had image quality, and that was it.>didn't own oneMy guy I bet on not one but two retarded horses (DC + GC) before finally buying a PS2 in 2002. You either weren't born or you're such a mouthbreathing fantard you never should have been born. I liked my DC, though, don't get me wrong.
>>12430654For the saturn that looks pretty damn good.
>>12430073PS1 got new releases until 2006
>>12430140Turbo Grafx was the first Gen 4 system. its library sucked dick, but it was Gen 4. it had broadly similar specs to the Genesis which launched only a year later in Japan
>>12430608the DC is basically what the Saturn was supposed to be.
>>12432234A nonsense opinion>>12432280And it uses CD-ROMs and lacks internet multiplayer and renders mere hundreds of thousands of polygons per secondGet real
>>12432290Dreamcast discs are a proprietary variant of CDs with a quarter of the storage space of a DVD. indeed most of the time the DC doesn't distinguish between a CD and a GD, which is why you can burn most DC games onto a CD and play them natively.
>Site full of dumb contrarian faggots say the rest of the world is wrong to class the Dreamcast as a 6th gen console>Nobody is surprised
>>12432290oh and the Super Nintendo had internet capabilities.
>>12432296Sorry but Dreamcast truly is a 5.5 gen console
console generations are spooks
>>12432293>which is why you can burn most DC games onto a CD and play them natively.Nope, required an exploit and for most games to be butchered in some way, either through compressing video or outright deleting files>>12432297It had neitherXBAND was created and run by a third party and technically wasn't even internetSatellaview didn't have multiplayer
>>12432272>Lying this hard.Stay triggered bruh.
Games>HardwareYou pathetic faggots will never get it.
>99% of all software is 480i/480p the end of 240p trickery >Progressive scan through VGA>Regular CDs were too small and they had to invent a larger format to accommodate larger textures etc>Heavily marketer online gameplay, came with a built in modem and later a broadband adapter was released >Barely any software uses prerendered visuals since the hardware is powerful enough to render everything in 3D.>Plenty of titles are aiming for 60fps gameplayIts a sixth gen system through and through
>>12430064You’re not funny.
>>12432906>You're a 6th Gen console ?>Yes my main competitors were PS1 and N64
>>12432915>You're a 6th Gen console ?Yes the first one, in the same vein that that only a retarded nigger would deny the Panasonic 3DO isn't fifth gen system because its main competitors were 4th gen systems.
>>12432906>99% of all software is 480i/480p the end of 240p trickery Dreamcast also runs the games in proper 640x480 unlike 512x448 as the PS2
>>12432151Okay, but that’s just selling off inventory after the discontinuation of the product. This >>12431046 post is misleading and makes it sound like the Dreamcast was still being manufactured after 2001.
>>12433049It’s also misleading to say that Sega was still selling Dreamcast games in 2007. There were no first party Sega games still being made for Dreamcast by then. People on this board spout so much bullshit and twist the truth to make themselves sound better.
Dreamcast kept getting games throughout the mid-late 2000s
>>12433083Yeah, but not first party Sega games, which is why I called out that post for being misleading.
Actually Nintendo discontinued the Famicom in 2003 so it's clearly a 6th gen console
>>12433049>Okay, but that’s just selling off inventory after the discontinuation of the product.Didn't say it wasn't.>>12433060>There were no first party Sega games still being made for Dreamcast by thenDidn't say there were. They kept producing GD-ROMs until 2007, but even just pointing to Puyo Puyo Fever in 2004 is enough.This isn't a statement of time being relevant to what generation it is - except the autist keeps insisting that the Dreamcast didn't exist at all during the sixth gen, which is patently false.
>>12433083Sir, this is an Atomiswave arcade game. Yes, I know it is very similar hardware, I understand, but it isn't a Dreamcast game and you're being a stinky disingenuous weasel.
>>12433161>Didn’t say it wasn’t >Didn’t say there were Yeah, I know; you conveniently left that part out, which is why I called you on it. The Dreamcast was discontinued worldwide in early 2001 before the GameCube and Xbox had even launched, so no, it really didn’t exist alongside the other sixth gen consoles unless you want to do the mental gymnastics you’re doing.
>>12433204Nothing I said was factually inaccurate. Sega was still selling Dreamcast consoles through much of the 2000s. They were still producing and selling games for the console until 2007.>so no, it really didn’tYes, it really did.
>>12433219Uh huh, and like I said, you conveniently left out some key details to make yourself sound better, so I rightfully called you on it.
Much like "what is retro", there's no fucking definitive answer to this argument. Only pointless bickering about what you feel like is the answer.
>>12433221I didn't leave out any key details, you're just>conflating 'they were still selling consoles' with 'they were still making consoles' which I never even implied>saying it's misleading that they were still selling Dreamcast games in 2007 (they were, pic related was 2007) because they stopped making first party games for it a few years prior, even though, of course, Sega are the ones printing the damn GD-ROMsYou're just attacking a strawman and it's pretty bizarre
>>12433240>Sega still sold Dreamcasts and released new games for Dreamcast until 2007That’s what you said. You conveniently didn’t specify that those games weren’t actually developed by Sega.
>>12433190>, I know it is very similar hardware,>It was commonly believed that the Atomiswave has more VRAM and audio RAM than a Dreamcast, however this is not true. The Atomiswave actually uses the same hardware specs as the Dreamcast, but with support for different control methods. It also saves games differently from the Dreamcast. Its a fucking Dreamcast
Any Dreamcast autists here with multiple consoles willing to try something out?I happen to own both a VA0 and VA1, and I swear to god the VA0 runs this game with better performance. Best test Code Veronica 1st screen.
>>12433257Because that's obvious and also not relevant to the point I was making.Let me reframe/rephrase this. Sega were the ones manufacturing GD-ROMs. They kept manufacturing GD-ROMs for both Sega Naomi and Dreamcast releases until 2007 (https://www.ign.com/articles/2007/01/19/sega-to-cease-gd-rom-production-in-february). They weren't developing all of them, not even necessarily publishing them, but they were officially licensing and printing them - releasing them.Any objections now?
>>12433240For me its G-REV master of 3D shoot em ups
>>12430064Putting a last gen game on a next gen system does not make that system last gen.
>>12433273SEGAs arcade branch was actually pissed, they only stopped producing GD-ROMs thanks to Sammy branch pressure.They wanted to keep producing them because NAOMI was pretty much in every arcade and the NAOMI 2 and Chihiro also used GD-ROMsSEGA stopped offering service on NAOMI 1 & 2 as late as 2017
>>12433289Didn't they have non-GD-ROM options?
>>12433295Yes the cartridges were still produced but they didn't offer the equivalent space of the GD-Roms
>>12432216"solid, smooth n64">single digit framerates because of z-buffer calculations>z-fighting in every game so the z-buffer goes to waste>vaseline smear filter to cover up ugly primitive graphics>commercial failure couldn't compete with PS1 and SaturnN64 is a 4.5 gen console like the 3DO and Jaguar. TRVTH NVKE
>>12433306pissx and saturd were competing with starfox and doom, not full 3d games
>>12433306This type of troll post always falls apart when you ask them to show you any PC game from 1996 that had a fully animated character controlled with a third person view camera. Super Mario 64 was far more impressive than Quake.
>>12432046You're thinking of Robotron: 2084
>>12433083>>12433083Yeah its 6th genhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUxFUzogKzU
>>12433261Even the SDK is the same as Katana except it has a romcart instead of GD Romhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLyygqunyZ4
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>>12432915The genesis' main competitor was the Nes.That's usually how first consoles who start the generation go.That's like saying the ps2 was 5th gen because it was made to beat the dreamcast and N64.
>>12432278We're talking about 6th gen standards.
>>12434512The difference is the genesis stuck around and competed with the SNES during the entire 4th gen. Dreamcast died before 2/3 of the 6th gen consoles even released. Overall its game library had far more in common with console games, PC games, and arcade games from the mid-late 90s than it did with the libraries of the PS2/GC/XBIf we want to say it's 6th gen because blah blah blah whatever technical definition exists of arbitrary categories, but then the term loses all meaning anyway then because dreamcast has practically nothing in common with those consoles. So what's even the point of the category?
>>12434227>be zoomer>buy one>gut it>install ryzen 5>profit?
>>12434523>arcade games from the mid-late 90s than it did with libraries of the PS2Yeah that's why all those NAOMI arcade games were ported to PS1 and N64moron
>>12433426>any PC game from 1996 that had a fully animated character controlled with a third person view camera.Tomb Rider?Mechwarrior II?Alone in the Dark?Fade to Black?If you want go earlier in history for 3rd person camera, you got Hunter and Midwinter, but dunno if they check "fully animated character" checkbox enough.
>>12434552None of which are remotely as impressive as Mario’s range of movement in Super Mario 64. It’s okay to accept that PC gaming isn’t always the platform that moves things into the next generation.
>>12434562>None of which are remotely as impressive as Mario’s range of movementSomebody could say Tomb Raider's animations iare more impressive/detailed for its time and this is what counts. Absolutely subjective matter.Not that this ever matter coz that post was questioning existence of ANY games with that specific qualities so, here are the examples.
>>12430064Gamecube is 5th gen too, it has ocarina of time on it and a bunch of games intended for release on the 64.
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>>12430064Even if you put it in the 5th gen it still lost to Sony and Nintendo.
>>12430064Dreamcast was a PS1 but with better textures and worse controller
>>12433060Last SEGA published Dreamcast game was in 2004 tardo
>>12434775Yes, and you’ll note that 2004 was three years prior to 2007.
>>12434795Point being it stuck around post 2001 well into gen 6
>>12434761Sonic Adventure and SoulCalibur were really amazing looking back then and really felt next gen. The Sonic Adventure opening beach level is one of the best demos of all time.
>>12434803Yes, with a handful of Japanese only titles. Big whoop.
>>12434809>Moving goal posts now
>>12434820Also on PS2 with the Dreamcast version being released later
>>12434820I’m not saying I didn’t take advantage of the Dreamcast’s discontinuation. I got one for $50 at Target back in 2001 with multiple good games that were on clearance. Served me well for years.
>>12434803>Also on PS2 & Xbox
>>12434820>>12434824Totally gen 5 brahhttps://youtu.be/3OetC4dmiN8?si=zG0UmokNeuZe7oR2
>>12434809>handful1/6th of the library for the Dreamcast released after it was discontinued. It lasted longer than the Gamecube or Xbox in Japan.>>12434827I got mine from a friend for $30 in 2009.
>>12434873https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yh7qzV6JzekAnd here is AEUG vs Titans running on PS2 hardwareIt looks visually barely anything better released December 2003 and it doesn't exactly seem to run much better either
>>12434804This in tekken 3 with hd texture pack and increased resolution outputDreamcast can be called the PS1 Pro
>>12434902Looks abysmal compared to DoA2
>>12434903almost shenmue loljust polygon count difference
Thoughts on Sword of the Berserk: Guts' Rage?
>>12434959Absolute chimpanzee tier iq.
>>12434902>Dreamcast can be called the PS1 ProNo that would be the NAMCO System 12 released in 1997 and the Dreamcast version of Soul Calibur mogs the ever loving shit out of the arcade original released in 1998.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbZO08w0Q8c
>>12430064There was a version of Spiderman that had a modeled out city?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1RbUQaGjzM
>>12434965Good example of a 6/10 game.
>>12434998Yeah, people forget just how big a jump the Dreamcast port was over the SC arcade game. Not only did the Dreamcast bridge the gap between arcade and home console 3D graphics, but it was better in some cases.
>>12433375 Ninshitturd 64that is all
>>12435183Nintardo 64 maybe?
>>12435183>>12435186Nintardo Shitty BORE
>>12433717yes I am, when I wrote that i was very tired, went full retard sorry lmao
>>12434965Tried to play it but I found it actually boring, I tried only the first 2 stage and I tought it was like one of those mediocre games that you know it doesn't suck but at the same time ypu know it's one of the blandest game ever played>>12435149Tought I was in the wrong, I mean I discovered this from Retro game youtuber who said if you're fan of Berserker and love games like Dinasty warriors this is a game for you, but I tought it was just okay.
>>12430064Those would be the cries of gaystation fags everytime next gen console is released before the next gaystation>wii isn't 8 gen is just 7 gen.>wii u isn't 9 gen is just 8 gen that was released too late>switch isn't 10 gen is 9 genAnd shit like that, similar to how the pulled 50 millions units of their ass because switch became the top console in sales (not counting resales).
