Do emulators from a PC work on CRTs? What's the best way to hook it up? Everything from NES-PS2 would look good?
>>12433959Why wouldn't they? That said modern graphics cards no longer have internal DACs so you need an older card or an external DisplayPort or HDMI to VGA DAC. You need to ask the dedicated CRT autists what's currently the best one to buy, though you probably won't need the absolute best for emulators since it's all 60fps max.If you mean you want to drive a CRT TV or video monitor specifically (instead of a VGA/SVGA monitor made for PCs) then it gets more complicated. IIRC you need special hacked drivers for AMD cards and on Nvidia it's simply not possible unless you install Linux because the Windows drivers refuse any timings below basic VGA 480p60 mode. (I'm not sure if on latest Nvidia cards its possible even on Linux, again ask the dedicated CRT autists)Whatever you do please don't buy cheap HDMI-to-composite or HDMI-to-s-video trash.
>>12433959As already stated - PC monitors are the best option. And a television crt needs an older ATi card + hacked drivers(due to the horizontal freq. of 15- or 31khz).
>>12434010>hacked driversYou don't need this on Linux; it just werks
>>12434010PC monitors are completely wrong for 15khz content. Sure, you get better motion clarity than an LCD, but you have to deal with triads.The correct solution is, like you said, an older graphics card to connect up to a TV. PC CRTs are okay for 480p and above content, although ideally you'd still want a multisync pro trinitron or a 31khz arcade monitor instead for proper sub pixel alignment.
>>12434027I'm not up to date on my CRT autist lingo, WTF are triads? The only thing which comes to mind is the phosphor mask arrangement ("dot triad") but it can't be that because there are aperture grille (Trinitron) PC monitors too. Besides the non-AG slot mask TV tubes are inferior to non-AG dot triad shadow mask PC tubes if anything, at least if you care about sharpness/quality more than peak brightness.
>>12434032AG PC CRTs were rarer, the vast majority were triad shadow masks. Slot masks are superior to triads when it comes to SD reproduction, but both are ass.
Okay I guess you're talking about exactly that ("dot triads"). Well, I see nothing wrong with using a dot triad shadow mask PC monitor for 15kHz/SDTV content. There's no correct subpixel arrangement for it. There are no pixels in analog video, only lines. Proper interlacing is very good to have but IIRC it's possible to get that working on PC monitors too by using video modes with doubled/tripled/quadrupled refresh rates even though they can't do hsync < 31kHz.
>>12434040>Slot masks are superior to triads when it comes to SD reproductionIt's a brightness vs. sharpness tradeoff. I wouldn't stress too much over it if the OP doesn't already have a suitable card for driving 15kHz CRTs. He can always get one later if he feels he's missing something. I'm almost sure my old Commodore 1081 had a triad tube but I don't have it anymore so I could check. I wouldn't be surprised if some non-Sony/AG pro video monitors used triad tubes as well because they're sharper.
>>12434042>There's no correct subpixel arrangement for it.Well, there is. It's "not triads". Just like there were a lot of PC games that were intended to be played with triads. Subpixel alignment affects how images look, especially on low resolution content. While an argument can be made for AG PC CRTs, you'll need to do a lot of fiddling with super-resolutions to get a decent picture.
>>12434056>Well, there is. It's "not triads". Just like there were a lot of PC games that were intended to be played with triads. >Subpixel alignment affects how images look, especially on low resolution contentTBQH this sounds like some peak Discord CRT zoomer autism stuff. Consider that you can't even really benefit from subpixel antialiased font rendering on CRTs because there's no way to reliably hit the subpixels (like you can on LCDs and true RGB OLEDs) due wildly varying tube sizes, mask pitch sizes, and resolutions scanned on them.I can believe SDTV stuff looks better on a slot tube for many though because less of the beam's energy is lost on slot masks (=brighter/more contrast) and a little blur doesn't hurt when the resolution is low.
>>12434074The triad games I'm talking about were made with bundled in monitors in mind, so those issues didn't exist. Obviously after the move to IBM compatibles this kind of thing fell out of favor.
>>12434081But what if the raster size, position or shape on the bundled monitor changes? Even if there are no user accessible controls for picture width/height/position/distortion correction, individual component variance from factory already plus aging and wear tends to affect these. Then the beam is again not hitting the exact same spots on the mask anymore.
>>12434027It's been a long time - maybe one may use a line doubler to display a 15khz signal on a PC crt.
What about a crt tv?
be aware that crt computer monitors are in much worse shape than the tvs and you're more likely to get a dodgy unit that's declined noticeably.
>>12434114Yes that's the way to do it if you want to use real old hardware with PC CRTs. But if you run emus on PC (see OP) there's no need for a scandoubler ever. There's the reverse problem though if you want to use a 15kHz only CRT (TV, video monitor, arcade monitor) with PC emus with the solutions mentioned above: old AMD card + hacked drivers or don't use Windows.>>12434121It's slightly more complicated to run from a PC than just getting an external DAC, see above.Re the subpixel / mask arrangement sperging I found some good comparisons:https://imgur.com/gallery/slot-mask-vs-shadow-mask-vs-aperture-grille-UZ8wjumI see nothing wrong with the dot triad CRT images here (order is slot/triad/AG) which matches with my experience. A lot of people used (still use) old Commodore monitors to play these games with no complaints and IIRC my old 1081 definitely had a dot triad mask. I think some high end JVC video monitors use triad masks as well. (why wouldn't they, triad masks tend to have better resolving capability than slot masks and pro video monitors are built for resolving details well ie. sharpness)
I play a modded Playstation classic on my crt. No reason a pc wouldn't work, you just need a hdmi to rca converter
>>12433959 >>12434010some newer and expensive CRT TVs accepted VGA ports.modern PCs don't have VGA ports anymore though.>>12434328lots of shit "works". might not look good especially for text, but they should work.
>>12434328If the OP wants to use a PC monitor (not TV) that'll not work because "RCA" means it's either composite or component. Probably composite, composite is 1 RCA connector, component is 3 connectors. PC monitors only take analog RGB via VGA connectors, sometimes BNC or DVI-A. Also basic cheap HDMI to composite converters have terrible picture quality and can have frame syncing and scaling issues. I wouldn't be surprised if some have lag too.
Haven't seen a crt monitor in a while lolYes. Way better quality than your hi end CRT tv.
>>12434358are you full retarded or a crap AI bot???OP said he wants to connect his PC to a CRT(monitor or TV).no PC in modern times have RCA connectors to connect to old TVs. stupid bots
>line doubler>15khz>composite>s-video>scandoublerjesus christ why is this shit so complex, do they seriously not make modern pc to crt cables?
I on the other hand, have a a different problem. How do I deal with 480i flickering on PS2 when connected to a SD tv? Can I somehow force 240p or do I need some external device? My whole setup is centered around rgb scart since I'm an eurofag
>>12433959I use Groovy Mister to stream games from my PC to a CRT. It has its flaws but its good enough for me.
>>12434013How?
>>12434647There's nothing stopping you from buying a displayport to composite converter but they only output 480i. If you want proper 240p then you have to jump through a bunch more hoops.
>>12434749Please speak English.
>>12434757How's this for english? Go fuck yourself.
>>12434762>refuse to speak in understandable simple English>gets upset when called out for itYou are the worst type of person
>>12434780Gotta gatekeep somehow. If you couldn't understand me then thats a good thing.
>>12434647use a gbs control.it can downscale to 240p.
>>12434780>blames his poor reading comprehension on others"understandable" fuckin' lmfao
why is there no general emulation thread on this board? would be THE place for it no?anyways I'm playing layton on lemuroid and was wondering what these 3 buttons marked in yellow do? I figure ow the bottom one puts the game on hold or something like that, but what about the other two?ease of use is great but it is a bit too user unfriendly with some things
>>12435090>why is there no general emulation thread on this board?Because idiots usually end up talking about the switch/3ds/ds/psp/vita/360/ps3. Go to /vg/.
>>12435134yeah I realized I should check that board when I used the word general thanks
>>12434592try reading it again
>>12433959What facial expression is he trying to make?
>>12435192dude goes by triforce hes obviously dangerously autistic
>>12433959CRT Emudriver with Retroarch crt switchres. It can be decent but I wouldn't recommend it unless you're willing to do alot of tinkering. It's also not good for any games that frequently switch to 480i ingame like when going into menus, like many PS1 games. It's honestly better to just use a misterfpga as it outputs a better signal that's synced perfectly and it just works and it's just better in general. As someone who did the emudriver thing for like 2 years I don't really recommend it, it gets annoying. For PCSX2 or watching 480p content in VLC, you simply switch the window over to the TV and full screen it.If you still want to do this I'll give you a rough idea of what it requires. You must have an Nvidia gpu as your main card and not an amd or it will interfere with emudriver custom drivers. Get an r7 250 amd card off of ebay that has a DVI-I port, get a DVI-I to VGA adapter that hooks into that. This card works with win11 while many older amd cards like hd5450 only work with win10. Run VGA cable to a VGA to S-Video/Component/RGB transcoder. Composite dot crawl will typically be worse when doing this than with original hardware or mister so I wouldn't bother but S-Video transcoders typically have composite with them so you can try composite if you want. Then run that to the crt tv with whatever input cable.Guide for the actual emudriver setup which isn't hard.https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/s2kdya/crtemudriver_2022_setup_switchres_tutorial_guide/Scroll way down and get the three links by that r1ggles guy. Ignore the arcade_osd step in the guide since Retroarch switchres ignores arcade_osd settings anyways. Adjust horizontal and vertical position in CRT service menu instead.But yeah, get a mister instead.
>>12435258Thanks for the Reddit report, why don’t you head back there now?
>>12435282I knew some faggot would talk shit. I have never made a reddit account in my entire life.
I used to do the whole crtemudriver/groovymame thing, but that was always a hassle because games don't always line up. Also having to use a vga to component transcoder isn't great. The whole thing was very in elegant. Getting a gsync monitor cured me of all this crt nonsense. Plus crt's have shit brightness levels. I have now moved to a pulsar monitor and just waiting on 60 hz support. Its great for high fps arcade games atm.
>>12434647>pc to crt cablesYeah if its a vga monitor. If its a 15 khz sd crt like everyone's tv back in the day then no because pc's don't output that low of resolution unless you make them, but then you still have to get the signal into the tv which will require some kinds of box. You have deal with sync and all other kinds of shit. I have many boxes and 8 crts from my days doing that. Look just get a freesync/gsync monitor and run retroarch with sync to exact content framerate turned on and you'll be fine. Also a lot of those boxes sold won't pass through the resolution, they will change it to 480i or something. Also trying to manage an OS with a 240p resolution is a bitch ass well.
Also if OP is just dying to use a sd crt then why not get a mister? Its they only reason to get the thing really. It can output sd right out of the box. and that new one that looks like a playstation is like $200. I've thought about it, but cant justify being an even bigger nerd.
>>12436295mister dont play new games
>>12434027is this why when playing something like Super Mario All Stars on a PC CRT even with a highly accurate emulator like BSNES you don't get that perfect smooth "blurred" horizontal scrolling like when playing it on a TV with hardware?
>>12435295ok, squarepusher reeeeddit.
>>12435169try learning to read, robots
>>12435090>general emulation threadthere's already a wiki for that.mentioned in the pinned top thread. go read it. spoonfeed yourself!
>>12434680don't choose progressive scan on your PS2?
>>12436314>"blurred"the "blurring" is basically a defect of composite signals. PC CRTs don't use such low quality shit, because they were originally designed for work, which required clear sharp-looking text.also could be a problem of lower refresh rates on older/low quality CRT TVs.
>>12436609thanks, too bad the lemuroid explanation there is just copy-pasted from the site >reading pinned threadseven a cumguzzling and gaping homoman isn't as gay as doing that
>>12434680Turn down the sharpness on your tv. You probably have it cranked up.
>>12435134my god is that board chinked the fuck out
>>12436959Thats the current state of gaming.
>>12435192Despair, but also despair.
