Anyone actually surprised by this? Seemed pretty obvious it was dead YEARS before eadmaster released their patch.
The game is okay I guess. Not really worth crying over
>>12439375Who cares? It already got translated, THEY LOST
>>12439375if they were good sports they would congratulate eadmaster and recommend his translation.
>>12439375Wasn't the game already translated?
>>12439375>Anyone actually surprised by this?Yes... I'm surprised they actually admitted it, considering they were stringing people along for what, 10? 12? More? years and even after eadmaster finished his translation they refused to admit theirs was dead.The 1.0 version of eadmaster's translation came out a year ago and all talk of this game had died down, why the these guys even bother to air it out again just to go "Yeah, that translation everyone thought was dead years ago? It's dead". Feels like one last desperate attempt to milk this for some type of fame or at least pity points since they had milked anything and everything else they could have out of it dry. (And it makes me happy to see that nobody is falling for it, on just about every site this was reported people are calling them out for sitting on it for years and now trying to get pity points)The most pathetic part is that neither of the original two clearly learned anything from this, since SamIAm is still trying to pull the "Eadmaster stole our work" argument in the very statement where he declares the translation dead. Oh, and they are still not going to release any of their supposedly so much better and superior translation work, they're just going to take it to their grave. This message even basically confirms that they just wanted the clout and fame from translating it, considering they tried to rush it to be "first" once eadmaster appeared, and even basically didn't talk to each other at all for months once eadmaster finished his.At this rate I would not be surprised if a year from now they reappear and announce the project is not actually dead to STILL try to milk it.
>>12439632>that imagewow what a bunch of crybaby sore losers. this is what you get for being lazy and incompetent
>>12439845The cherry on top is that they still refuse to release anything.
>>12439882These are the same people that had no problem releasing picrel by the way, a """translation""" that all it did was replace the Japanese font with an English one and gave up before any text was translated other than some menus, yet, CyberWarriorX had no problem releasing this in such a state.https://www.romhacking.net/translations/2539/But apparently this super amazing awesome better Princess Crown translation with blackjack and hookers that they were working on for over a decade with a font that would make you cry tears of joy is not worth releasing if it's not 100% complete and in a flawless perfect state.Fucking spotlight-hungry drama queens.
>>12439375I don't expect translators to do thinks over night but when you spend YEARS on a project it's fair game for someone else to step in and finish. The idea of ownership is retarded
>>12439882never expect anything good from discord retards, waste of energy
Even the new translation thread at RDHN got locked again while the thread eadmster posted it in still alive and now slamming the original translators, this is hilarious.Originally SamIAm opened a thread on SegaXtreme way back in 2012 asking for help translating Princess Crown, only got a single response initially:https://segaxtreme.net/threads/help-me-translate-princess-crown.18555/Then the other person working with SamIAm, CyberWarriorX, opened a thread about it in 2013 on RHDN. It had people replying for about a decide until CyberWarriorX disappeared, and got locked by the mods 2023 because the creator basically ghosted the thread. (I want to point out the mod mentioned that the thread would be re-opened if the creator requests it, but was essentially never heard from again there):https://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=15979.0After this happened someone posted in that original SegaXtreme thread about the thread on RHDN being locked, Trekkies appears and brownnoses the hell out of Sam and Cyber defending them and the thread is dead again. A year later in 2024 eadmaster appears in that same thread continuing the project and all the drama starts where eadmaster does actual work while Cyber suddenly unghosts after years and cries like a little bitch that his work is "stolen".Shortly after this SamIAm, the other person working with CyberWarriorX, opened a thread insisting their translation is not dead, and as of three days ago was locked by a mod at the creator's request:https://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=39984.0Both Cyber and Sam's threads on RHDN got locked because they produced jack shit and never will release anything, while Sam's thread on SegaXtreme that eadmaster basically took over is still alive and now dunking on those two idiots.I hope these two leave the rom scene for good after this, we don't need them calling dibs on another game then producing nothing for a decade while bitching if anyone else touches it.
>>12439927Do we know how many strings are in the game? I'm curious what ten+ years would be in strings translated per day
>>12439927lol that 1st link with trekkies replies. what a dick. isnt he supposed to be working in devil summoner too?
>>12439974on* derp
>>12439956ead's translation is open source, you can see for yourself, it seems to have extracted all of the text into hundreds of txt files.https://github.com/eadmaster/pcrownActually translating Japanese to English is generally the easy part of most translations however. It's hacking the game to extract the text, than further hacking it to put the text back in without breaking anything that's the hard part. Since you generally don't have the game's source code available you are literally hacking the game to translate it, and depending how the game is made it can be very temperamental to anything being altered. It's not just a case of copying "これから昼ごはんを食べる" and pasting "I'm having lunch now" in it's place.
>>12439974Yeah, Trekkies was insanely defensive of those two for some reason, on forums and sites everywhere and even here. Some of the posts back when all this was going down were very clearly being made by him, he even admitted it was him in some of them. Even after eadman's translation was finished he was still defending the hell out of Cyber and Sam.All his arguments were strawmanned as hell too and even some flat out lies. Such as Cyber having disappeared for two years at that point and Trekkie dismissing it as "Just because you don't get a status report every 5 minutes doesn't mean a project is dead" or "If I was the lead of the project I'd be pissed seeing people going around labeling the project dead just because they're not being spoonfed updates constantly. Stop acting entitled.", and bringing up that Cyber has "personal real life issues going on" when those were years ago and Cyber himself by that point had said that he was over them and they are not effecting the project anymore. Strawmanning someone having disappeared for a long time as "You want a status report every few minutes" seems to be a common tactic with such people, the PSIO scumbag did the exact same thing. I recall when the promised firmware update that was supposed to fix broken games and add Memcard Pro support he had promised was two years late he started making the same arguments, that people were "too used the smartphone apps that update every day"... until he started then banning anyone that asked.Even when told one of the people on that forum did contact Cyber back in 2024 and was told, by Cyber, that he was not working on it anymore Trekkie still tried to defend him and whine about people calling the project dead. He also didn't re-appear in that thread even after eadmaster had taken over, only reappearing after Cyber unghosted after years just to cry, so that he could then defend Cyber.
>>12439992>check the soul hackers thread he was supposed to be working on it>he hasnt posted there since june>uhhhh but you ppl want an update every 5min grrrrthink someone is working on the ps1 port, but idr..hope someone is
>>12440000>he hasnt posted there since juneThat's not even that bad, Cyber had been ghosting everyone for around two years back when those posts of Trekkie trying to defend him were made. The admins of RHDN locked the thread because even they believed it was dead, and told Cyber to contact them if it's not so they can reopen it, which he never did. Yet Trekkie was still trying to defend Cyber as "You want an update every 5 minutes, he has a life!" even in the wake of all that.The confusing part is, unlike Sam and Cyber, Trekkie has some actual skill. He's worked on translating many games before, translations that released. So I have no idea why he was so fiercely defensive of a bunch of two do-nothing yahoos.
>>12439992glad i'm not the only one noticing that person popping up and proceeding to be a condescending douche in basically every saturn community
>>12439976>you can see for yourselfI can try, but Github's being bullshit all of a sudden. I literally just tried to view the folder and then this shit happened. Not a big deal, I was just curious like how roughly many completed lines per day it was for eadmaster's translation vs these two jokers, because it would be funny.
>>12440025>The confusing part is, unlike Sam and Cyber, Trekkie has some actual skill.Half the time he just parrots shit that other devs say like it's some brand fucking new information, or things he found in emulators after pressing the "hide layers" buttons to look at the VDP2 output. It's probably why he is so defensive of Sam because annoying hacks tend to defend each other.And translating games requires fuck all skill, it's ctrl+f then edit text. If it's a saturn game then okay you have to look up whatever bytes the game uses for each letter and if it's japanese you get to have more fun with kana/kanji but most games just use shift-jis, either directly or at least have every letter in the same order, so it's not that difficult.
>>12440063>And translating games requires fuck all skill, it's ctrl+f then edit text.Um, no>>12439976
>>12440086Obviously some games are harder than others, but there are plenty of ones where you change the text and maybe reorder some pointers.
>>12439976>Actually translating Japanese to English is generally the easy part of most translations however. It's hacking the game to extract the text, than further hacking it to put the text back in without breaking anything that's the hard part.If that's the hard part, why is it the part 99% of patches do fine, meanwhile every second release from the scene these days is MTL garbage? I don't see anyone on here bitching about how hacked games crash every two minutes. They bitch about the translation sucking.
>>12439632>God, what a terrible waste of time all of it wasSeriously? His work contributed to the game finally being available in English and he considers it a terrible waste of time just because HE wasn't the one releasing it? Fucking ego.
>>12440274I read that as self-hatred and depression rather than haughtiness, but who knows. Either way, this dude is trouble.
>>12439375good riddance
Stupid melodrama.
>>12440210because a good hacker makes sure to do at least a decent job at it before contacting a translator.
>>12439375did i changed timelined? i could swear it was released
>>12441702Retard.
>>12440274Pretty much. Many people expressed similar sentiment, that it was not a "waste of time" because his work contributed to others being able to make a completed translation finally, even if he only mistakenly released his work as GPL and tried to delete it, with this translation only existing because someone early in 2020 backed it up before he deleted it.But it goes to show exactly how these people think, and that they were clearly only in it for the clout. To them, it was a total waste of time, because they aren't the ones to brag that they did it. Even though their names are still in the credits of eadmaster's version, that's not enough. They need to be the front-end-center main stars of the translation and have the spotlight on them. The fact that according to that message once eadmaster was making a translation they tried to rush theirs first, but then completely lost all motivation and literally did not even talk to each other for months after eadmaster finished his first shows that their only motivation and reason for doing this was fame, and as soon as they lost their fame they completely gave up and even dragged their heels on telling people that it was over, while taking their ball and going home refusing to release any of their work. Can't have others benefit even more from their work I support, since that would be for the benefit of everyone, not just for their ego.If this event makes them leave romhacking for good then it's all for the better, we don't need egotistical idiots like that who hold everyone back just so they can have a spotlight shined on them. Feels like they weren't originally like this, or at least Cyber wasn't, since his hack was originally open source on github and he released his partial work on Langrisser III III for others to finish, but sometime between 2013 and 2020 he appears to have changed to only doing it for the fame.
>I'm won't release it, til it's perfect>it's never perfectautism, autism never changes
>>12439375>>12439552>>12441702Yeah wtf. I have the game with the patch applied. Is it not 100% or something? I only played 30 minutes of it
>>12442013It wasn't autism, it was a lie to keep sitting on their ass doing jack shit while trying to get praise for "translating" the game. It was never going to release in any state.>>12442024>Yeah wtf. I have the game with the patch applied. Is it not 100% or something? I only played 30 minutes of itThis is about CyberWarriorX and SamIAm's translation, which is the original group that started translating it in 2012/2013 but just ghosted everyone for years. The translation that got finished and released was by a different person named eadmaster, who use a very early unfinished version of the first group's work to work on his translation and finish it. The original group got pissy about this and were still insisting that they were going to finish theirs and that it would be better.
>>12442038I see. I think I remember knowing that at the time, but fuck if I remember all that drama.You say they were "sitting on it" but whenever there's a translation like this where they're holding onto it for decades, I always assume it's cause they're trying to sell the translation.Kinda hard with a video game, but in the visual novel community this is a lot more feasible because publishers of visual novels are also pretty sketchy themselves, so it wouldn't even be too far-fetched for them to engage in a scheme like that, paying someone for a translation
>>12442051>but whenever there's a translation like this where they're holding onto it for decades, I always assume it's cause they're trying to sell the translationNormally I would call that BS, especially since there are all sorts of legal issues with doing something like that and it would generally be heavily looked down upon by the very people you would sell it to, but you might not be wrong with this one.CyberWarriorX was apparently hired by Polymega to work on Saturn emulation, clearly he's good at it judging by picrel. And apparently the Polymega team was trying to get rights to publish packs/collections of retro games on disk for their system, I think they even said they would have some exclusive translations. So it's possible Cyber might have been holding out either because he already had made a deal with them or was waiting to see if he could make a deal.The Polymega released in September of 2021, CyberWarriorX still had his github page up as of November 2020 (though it did not have any commits for years) and as of 2020 when people asked about it he was still leaving it up, but just telling people not to bother trying to compile it since it's very broken and outdated. Then sometime between that and early 2022 the github page was completely deleted with the excuse "GitHub project was an old build that I haven't updated in a long time since I've been using a private repository for a while now. So I decided there was no real point in keeping it up.", this happened roughly around the time the Polymega released.Around this time Cyber also started ghosting RHDN and went from being open about his project to being very private. I think there is a good chance that he was indeed trying/asked to sell his translation to Polymega and as a result deleted the repo and ghosted the community. Would also explain why he utterly lost his shit when someone had an old backup of that repo and continued it, it's possible the deal might have gotten called off because of it.
>>12442092I don't buy it, probably just a timing coincidence. If they had a contract they'd have finished it by early 2022 already. Alternatively, if they were simply trying to sell it but fail at it that'd mean the translation was finished, and by 2024 it would have been evident they'd never sell it and would have released it.
>>12442156>I don't buy it, probably just a timing coincidence.CyberWarriorX is listed as "Dev for Polymega. Past contributor to Yabause and DeSmuME." on his Twitter, so it's not a rumor that he's been hired by them.Polymega also sells game collections, they announced it long ago but only recently started doing it, these things can take time to work out the licensing agreements, especially for a smaller company, I can't find their original announcement but I recall them floating the idea that they could be able to sell translated versions of games not officially translated before in those collections too.It all lines up a bit too well.
>>12442038>It wasn't autism, it was a lie to keep sitting on their ass doing jack shit while trying to get praise for "translating" the game. It was never going to release in any state.Yeah that's quite possible, but we've seen plenty of retards suddenly become active and 'finish' their projects, after someone else beat them to it.
>>12442204>Polymegaimagine actually buying one of these gimped computers and immediately having to swap out the cpu, cause of how underpowered it is
>>12441784The funniest part about them trying to become celebrities is that no one knows the names of romhackers lol, yet these retards turned eadmaster into a folk hero by bullying him
>>12439375>>12439632>>12439882Wasn't there a theory that the reason why they went radio-silent about the translation was because they wanted it to be exclusive to some shitty MISTER FPGA clone or something?
>>12442449I participated in a couple of translations just to build up my resume, which helped me land a new teacher position at a private school. But doing it just to gain online clout is the dumbest and most pointless reason to do so.
>>12440051Did you go out of your way to make your OS look this ugly or is it a feature of your distro?
>>12442741You don't like my custom theme, you don't have to run it
>>12442741>>12442746As I click on the browser and I look at the pane,I take a look at my theme and realize it's very plainBut that's just perfect for a boomer like meYou know I shun fancy things like transparency
>>12442765Sorry unc but even transparency is boomer now. Flatshit and minimalism has been all the rage since 2012.
>>12442768Yeah but I can't rhyme "tiny stupid scrollbars that disappear when you aren't pointing right at them"
>>12439927Jesus christ what a cunt. Deserves zero sympathy.
>>12442426>imagine actually buying one of these gimped computers and immediately having to swap out the cpu, cause of how underpowered it isLiterally powered by a Celeron, I can't imagine how low-end such a chip is these days. It was originally supposed to be a FPGA console, but that was dropped and it just because a really really really low-spec PC in a fancy box. You can't even just run any game you want on it like you can with most other emulation boxes, because you need to buy the adapters that have the controller and cartridge ports on them to play that console's games. (At least if I understood how it works right, IIRC it won't just let you load a rom and use a usb controller, something that even FPGA devices like the MiSTer can do, despite the fact that being a software emulator it can't directly run the game off the cart anyway and is just dumping it to a temp rom to play it)>>12442449Pretty much this. I can't think of a single other romhacker or translator I know of, I barely even remember GROUPS, much less individuals. Trying to remember, I think back in the early 00s there was a group called DeJap, don't remember what they did, and I don't remember any member's names. I think one of them had "tomato" in their name? Yet, thanks to the drama I remember eadmaster's name easily.>>12442708I already mentioned this in >>12442092And it was the Polymega, which isn't even a MiSTer clone since it's not a FPGA system, it's just an Intel Celeron PC with a fancy UI and emulators pre-loaded, that costs around 2-3 times what you can get a mister for these days and requires you to buy additional modules to play different systems.>>12442765Win7's Aero theme was the goat, this modern "flat" and flat-color opaque design OSes use nowadays looks like shit, as well as this inane minimalism trend that simplifies things so much you can't even tell what half the logos are supposed to look like anymore. Was definitely borne from focusing on phone UIs over desktop UIs.
>>12442851That whole thread is a goldmine of Cyber failing over and over, as well as Trekkie being an insufferable jackass.
>>12442861Why the fuck would you ever buy this lmao.
>>12442861To this day I'm still amazed that piece of crap even got released, let alone had the money to hire Steve Snake and the Mednafen tranny to port their work over to it (the later of which ended getting branded a 'sellout' from the emulation community when they found out, resulting in a sudden aggressive push for Duckstation as the recommended Playstation emulator of choice, a move which was organized by the r/emulation subreddit and various emulation discord channels)
>>12442884I have no idea, especially for it's absurd price. I can MAYBE see a reason if they kept it as a FPGA device, but it would still need a huge pricecut even then, especially considering you need to buy each module to play that system.But as it is now? Where it's nothing more than a very very low-end Intel Celeron PC with Linux and a custom UI that's just loaded with PC emulators? I see zero reason to buy this thing unless it was about an eighth of it's current price if not less.The base unit is $549, and it only comes with the main unit and a controller. You can only play Gen 5 and older CD-based systems on it (PSX, Saturn, SegaCD, TGCD, etc). To play any of the cartridge based systems you have to buy the module, each of which costs $80 (Or $90 for the N64 module) and and comes with a add-on hunk of plastic that includes controller ports, a cartridge port, and the 3rd party controller for that system. It doesn't load roms, the only way to play cartridge games is to use a cartridge. Oh, and there is a "Deluxe" bundle marked down from $865 to "only" $800 that includes the modules for NES, SNES, TG16, and Genesis.Also, due to it being just a fancy massively overpriced and extremely underpowered PC running Linux emulators, that means many homebrew games that include custom chips or advanced programming generally not seen in retail games tend to not work properly if at all, because if your emulator is running the game off a ROM dump and not actually off the cartridge (which software emulators can't do) then the emulator is going to need to support these chips or be highly accurate enough to work with these homebrew programming tricks. A FPGA-based device that runs off the cart would not have this problem, since it would actually be running the chips on the cart and would only need to emulate the base console hardware accurately. So even Analogue of all shitty companies did a better job than this thing.
>>12442884>>12442913Oh, I also didn't notice at first but they have a new product coming out. A new module to play Atari 2600 and 7800 games, and that one costs a fucking $120!
>>12442913>base unitDon't they mean the Base System?
>all this delay and all this 'you're a thief' and 'it wasn't meant to be GPL that was a mistake!' talk was only because they were planning to lock the translation on a fucking overpriced outdated emulation machine scam to earn a couple bucks out of itThanks eadmaster, hero among thieves, we dodged one. I can't fucking stand this new era with these people who think they should reap some kind of material benefit out of this, it always seems to make things worse. These jokers always forget that half the reason they're able to do anything is because other people left documentation and tools for them for free too.We need a new Bleem trial to cool down this trend for another 15 years.
>>12439927>that first threadjaw dropped at the sheer level of pettiness on display, I can't fathom seething that more people are finally playing a game you want them to play, even if it isn't your translation. Huge kudos to eadmaster, what the hell were the other guys doing for a decade?
>>12442908Don't care, I'll keep using Mednafen as much as I can if only because I hate how Duckstation keeps treating me like a retard with its constant pop-up warnings that can't be disabled. No wonder reddit likes it so much.
>>12442981works on my machine
>>12442981just use swanstation.if you use retroarch at least.though, mednafen and duck/swan are basically the same shit. they both play ps1 almost flawlessly.hell, even pcsx-rearmed is up there in compatibility these days.
>>12442945PSEmu Pro was better than Bleem
The main issue with projects like Mizzurna Falls and Princess Crown is that the original translation didn't "release nothing", they released sources that included partial translations and programming work, and someone else "forked" that and claimed it as his own work regardless of the wishes of the original team or the state of the project, and then social media and gaming journalism relentlessly dunked on the original team and attributed their work to the new guy.This is very demoralizing and is no different from some beta tester or hacker leaking a 50% version of the project. One way they could have prevented this was to shut up about the project, not give people false hope until they actually release it (but that would imply refusing to give updates, which people also hate), and above all NEVER SHARE SOURCE CODE of unreleased stuff (but that would also imply refusing to help fellow romhackers and translators). So the situation is overall still a net negative to the scene, this case aside.I'm not surprised eadmaster is called a thief. Take for example this project : >>12442418Goemon SNES 2 was originally worked on by this guy (for graphics, etc) and Tom / DDS, but they had a falling out.Tom / DDS then produced a new translation FROM SCRATCH, and their code was ORIGINAL, with no trace of this guy's involvement, and they got FlashPV to do all new graphics.That guy then took his translation and graphics, did an all-new romhacking code that didn't use DDS' programming work, and released his alternative version, DESPITE either party having access to the others ressources before or after the release, and the obvious bad blood between them, they DID NOT think of releasing someone else's work under their name without their consent.Now eadmaster had some help from other Saturn modders, and some interest from translators. He might as well have done an all-new version but he did not, he insisted on including THEIR script under HIS name to overshadow THEIR project.
>>12445667Holy shit Trekkie, you're still here? You're still trying to defend Cyber and Sam's bullshit after all this?Ead did nothing wrong, Cyber did everything wrong, every site, even the very thread you brownosed Cyber on, is against you. You seriously think you will change any minds on 4chan of all places? Your post is nothing but lies and strawmen, everyone knows what actually happened, it's well documented, you trying your usual lies will not change reality, or change the minds of anyone here, anyone on RHDN, anyone on SegaXtreme, or anywhere else.FUCKOFFAnd I don't mean just from this site, I mean from the Saturn community as a whole.
>>12445667Mizzurna Falls had a very similar situation but at least in that case the translator consented to her script getting used by any future translations (which did NOT happen for Princess Crown).And while it's true that someone did try building the project and presenting the crash-filled mess as the first public build and posting topics how evil the original programmer was for not helping the community and stirring drama and asserting "his rights to open source", and while the original programmer (who that far was still doing livestreams of him actually working on it, which he took down because it became drama fuel for the other project "look how you're forcing me to understand what you're doing from your livestreams"), the parasite trying to insert himself into that situation has eventually retreated, and other projects surfaced by people actually interested in finishing it without drama. That's how there's two translations (Cirosan and the more authentic one by owl) because they were not aware of each other and were just getting shit done.Now eadmaster isn't a complete moron or parasite since he's also competent enough to be doing MTL slop on an industrial scale targeting emulators with a version of texture replacement (and blaming emulator developers for not supporting it as well as they should) and very strategically targeting projects with others working on it, which I'm sure is not helping his chances. But he's still avoiding the actual work while not being afraid of taking credit for it, and he's still drama hungry judging from some PSP mentions added after the original team mentioned it. It's as if he's trying to actually bury the original version with noise and drama while playing victim.It would be another story altogether if he competed with it using original translations and programming work of course, like with the Shin Megami Tensei if situation where multiple people came up with different solutions and even figured out ports of the game.
>>12442092>>12439887>>12442861So basically, same as always, Dicks, Pussies and Assholes who ruin everything
>>12445683What exactly makes you think I'm Trekkie, you raving schizoid?Think about it for a second. It doesn't make sense for anyone to work on something, then see their draft released against their will attributed to someone else, presented as a new work, and used to defame him and his current work.That just leads into the author not starting the work in the first place, not talking about it, not asking for help, not doing open source projects, not helping fellow romhackers, unless they're just masochists who want to put a lot of effort just to get cancelled and blamed, instead of idk, being thanked or at least left alone for what little they worked on and actually made it to players?It's dishonorable, people sniping projects do their own work, they don't publish the competition's work as their own, and hiding behind open source licenses is just dragging down the idea of open source and spirit of sharing with their lack of honor.If the best you have to own Cyberwarrior is to publish Cyberwarrior's own beta patch and do a big drama circus around it, then what if there's no more open githubs or open directories or chatrooms to sleaze into and piece together info from? How do you exactly solve dormant projects in the long term without actually doing YOUR WORK?
>>12445720it was open source so who cares boo hoo nigger
>>12445720Because you use the same arguments he did (he was also the only person using those arguments), were known to constantly attack eadmaster and defend Cyber on the Princess Crown threads on this board, and were basically the only person defending Cyber in this even back in 2024.Including the lying and making up bullshit, nearly your entire post is a lie and not what actually happened. You're not even good at lying.
>>12445710Yup, fueled by brown nosers like >>12445667 who defend them no matter how much in the wrong they are.
>>12445723I actually agree with this part, you asshatCyberwarrior and Gemini were among the assholes who were preaching about GNU and GPL and open source, and they had it coming. Even if it wasn't him, it would be some russian or chinese person where these laws mean jack shit and who are aware of western hypocrisy and selective law enforcement regarding copyright to stifle innovation, as seen with AI making piracy cool again for big corpos.So yes, anyone who shares their in-progress work only has himself to blame if it all gets leaked and stolen. Github or open source isn't even a requirement.And then? What's next? What if the 10-year old project doesn't have its files available in some open directory for someone to download and claim as his own "new project"?Why did situations like Star Ocean Blue Sphere, Persona 2 PSP, Shin Megami Tensei if, and so many others, went so well and the team which sniped the project wasn't called thieves by the original team? Because it was THEIR WORK.>>12445725>Including the lying and making up bullshit, nearly your entire post is a lie and not what actually happened. You're not even good at lying.Do tell "what actually happened", shizoid who thinks that everyone okay with sniping projects is necessarily okay with STEALING / releasing someone's work when that someone is unwilling, instead of putting in actual WORK that's ORIGINAL and not parasitical, into doing something NEW and their OWN
>>12442861>>12442908>>12442913>>12442919Oh, so its a scam.
>>12445740Nothing was stolen retard, the project was GPL open source and from the start, before Cyber even showed his whiny face to cry like a little bitch, ead master was crediting Cyber and Sam for the project. He never "stole" jack shit and he sure as fuck did not try to take credit, even offering to work with Cyber on it, who rejected and tried to demand ead take his translation down.You are trying to spin the lie that ead "stole" code that is GPL open source, and then tried to pass it off as his own work from scratch.Nothing was stolenYou are a schizo brown-nosing retardRAMDONLY capitalizing EVERY other WORD does NOT make YOUR point AND less OF a LIEAnd the entire community and planet is better off without youSo I repeatFUCKOFFAnd I will also add:Don't come back
Releasing something under the GPL and then suddenly changing your mind, like "wait no, I don't want to foster a friendly community based on cooperation! Fuck all of you guys, I'm relicensing!" is a prime indicator that someone is a stupid asshole. Fortunately, the GPL means they at least get credit for their GPL-released work, so they get something out of it even if they have a massive bitch fit and take their ball and go home.
>>12445750And for the eadmaster brownnosers, tell me why the best thing to look forward to is the scraps of the drafts of the original translator with some AI proofreading pass (after the fiasco with the N5 translator) presented with fanfare, again and again, as the definitive translation, this time for realsies.And why the alternative is to insult the original translator some more until they prove us wrong and release the finished translation they're "withholding" (and which suddenly matters, after not mattering anymore with eadmaster's initial leak-release) instead of... i don't know... a new translation, like any self-respecting sniping project?>>12445750That's a lot of words to excuse theft.By the same logic, eadmaster can also steal any project ever released for Princess Crown and release it under his name, claiming it made use of Cyberwarrior's GPL repository and thus is itself GPL and thus "I can release it under my name".if Cyberwarrior changes his mind and releases his final version? eadmaster can steal it as his own "final+0.1"if someone does the PSP version? eadmaster can add it to his github and slap his name on it!That's an awfully convenient interpretation of the law that only benefits eadmaster but where the persons who actually did the work and maintained the project don't matter, nor does their own claim to their own translated script (which the translator authorized Cyberwarrior, but not someone else, to make use of it, but it seems translation ownership international conventions by which even official companies abide -and hence why you never see their legal departements say "fan translation available online, free script to use in our official localization whoohoo!- don't apply to eadmaster!)Just have shame and admit that the community is dancing on the scraps of a beta the original translators forgot on some open directory alongside some license (tied likely to some patching tool included in the repo) that bit them in the ass.
>>12445798>theftYou're an idiot
>>12445750>>12445798By all means you can excuse theft all you want, with excuses about the general good, the authors were suckers and shared just enough to make this possible, why honor doesn't matter, why names and proper attribution and gratitude and basic respect don't matter, and what notThat ship sailed long ago and even the original team gave up.But that doesn't mean you didn't just poison the scene and ruin chances for this particular game to get any respectable translation past its current beta stage.Other authors won't look at what happened with Cyberwarrior and say "oh i so wish this was me! i should definitively go open source and be as open as possible about the project instead of just dropping it one day out of the blue or cancelling it without anyone blaming me for it" because other people aren't masochists.Empathy and honor isn't for suckers in this world, it also is a useful way for you base animals to estimate if the bargain you're proposing to other people will entice them to continue doing work that benefits you in the first place, and whether those suckers will find it worth it to continue that current symbiotic relationship that gives you free stuff. When parasites enter symbiotic environments and insist on doing things a certain way that's heavily slanted against a party (as opposed to getting the same result -another translation- done without the same damage to the general trust) that's how you ruin that environment.
>>12445798>excuse theft>>12445816>excuse theftNothing was stolen dumbass
>>12439375Just fucking release what you have as a perpetual beta you fucking idiots.
>Gets explained exactly how it wasn't theft and that the original hackers were credited>>12445798>>12445816>it was stolen! it was stolen! it was stolen! it was stolen!Holy retard BatmanYou are also lying about eadmaster releasing a "beta" by the way, he finished it up rather quickly. Oh, you also lied that he just repackaged the original's translation, most of the game was not translated in the old version eadmaster used, so he did do most of the translation himself, despite also still crediting the originals. Everything you posted as a lie, when you wasn't posting nonsensical platitudes about "honor" and "empathy" that is, this isn't a Samurai movie.Just admit you don't even know what happened, but just instantly jumped at the chance to defend someone "in the community" with lies and slander. Funny how an honorless cretin like you is talking about honor.
>>12445823lots of github repositories of ongoing translation projects with people struggling to get help.A lot of these have tools like bass, armips, etc, which are GPLv3 licensed, and which these authors have included for convenience (or some misguided passion for open source, in which case i say they had it coming) and they have no idea what incredible journey they just signed in forSo technically all of these projects are GPLv3 licensed and even the eadmaster would think... boy that's some real nice "FREE REAL ESTATE!" ALL of these projects, regardless of completion or author wishes or crashes, should have their builds released as the long awaited v1.0 versions of the project by eadmaster, with some credits for the original author, you know for GPL compliance and "exposure", i'm sure the author would love for that thankless hopeless solitary journey to be prematurely ended with his name attached to an abortion of his labor of love. He should appreciate the exposure this MTL enthusiast so graciously bequeathed upon his lowly mortal coil.The authors should be dragged to the gallows regardless of their opinions about the matter, for the crime of withholding a project that could have received a release as shown by eadmaster. Anyone with secret fantasies of how cool it would be to throw a plate on a servant without the social stigma of being called an ingrate would appreciate this fun escapade. On the contrary you'll be lecturing the solitary authors about fostering the spirit of community and cooperation or whatever it means in the honorless jungle you call your community's turf. Once reality catches up with the actual state of the work vs the magical thinking you put into convincing yourself "ceci n'est pas un caca" just dig up the corpse of the sucker you went all "death of the author" on and blame him, never yourself or parasites like eadmaster, why this release that wasn't under his terms didn't go so well.That's awfully demanding of strangers right?
>>12445857Didn't read, I just skimmed it and it was mostly nonsensical pseudo intellectual self-waking bullshit.I hope eadmaster does exactly what you said though, in fact, I hope it becomes the norm, so cancers on the community like you get pissed off and leave forever. The last thing we need are people like you. Man, it's so great that easmaster got all the credit and cyberwarriorx and samiam got told, repeatedly, to eat shit. I am so happy that it makes you butthurt that those two got what they deserved and eadmaster rightfully praised.I hope it happens again, and again, and again and again and that it pisses you off enough to leave permanently.The last thing we need are more cybers and gideons, and the best thing that happened to the community are people like eadmaster, and that is exactly what every site had reported and will go down in history, and no amount of your lying sperg posts on a random old basket weaving site will change that.By the way, sam said that he might be persuaded to revive the project if it was moved over to the PSP port. Guess who also expressed interest in porting the translation over to the PSP. I can't wait for cyber's bullshit to get "stolen" again and eadmaster gets all the praise.
I have come to really love eadmaster's translation. I regret being so negative initially to be honest. I was just trying to be fair to the original authors, but I see now that it's not all black and white. Side note, the transparency effects look amazing in this game. The community really stepped up as a whole with this one.
>>12445856> when you wasn't posting nonsensical platitudes about "honor" and "empathy" that is, this isn't a Samurai movie.You know it's not a sappy movie but it's not exactly an environment conductive to showing your homework, sharing notes with each other, and *checking notes* "fostering a friendly community based on cooperation", people will just clam up about their stuff and tools and ongoing projects (from YOUR perspective: "why the sudden radio silence? why no updates?") because they don't want to telegraph their moves to the enemy.You know, when people think of someone who "would totally release my work against my own wishes" that comfortably falls within the range of the image of a potential "enemy". Not a "place where I can trust everyone and speak my mind and get help and help others!">You are also lying about eadmaster releasing a "beta" by the way, he finished it up rather quickly.No use being longwinded about it.what does "it" refer to, pray tell?>Oh, you also lied that he just repackaged the original's translation, most of the game was not translated in the old version eadmaster used,>mostso if it's a nibble it's alright (i'll just pretend i'm ignorant about how the github still has the original entirety of CW's work intact)but wait, wasn't it "fully completable and playable"?was it now "mostly untranslated" because the MTL guy needs to launder the existing abomination as something "he" truly owns and created, and which he only credits the original team out of charity?That's some food for thought. If eadmaster is so capable, where are his other Saturn/DreamCast translations? or is it that he needs another one in the beloved "community" to slip up and forget to restrict access privileges to on someone's cloud storage?
Been playing this on my saroo recently and it's so damn fun. Man the translation feels like an official release it's a awesome.
>>12445882>Now lying about MTL>Intentionally trying to ignore that you can see the entire release history on the repoYou're even more retarded than I thought
>>12445874Gideon is smart enough to work closed source and NEVER share notes, info or updates, so if anything you're sanctioning anyone not behaving exactly like Gideon, and avoiding any successful sniping tactics that actually helped against Gideon (cooperation, but also actual work, not just the highway robbery you're praising)I personally contributed in threads here where anons were brainstorming ideas how to make a translation that snipes Gideon's claim on SMT:if. I can attest that yes indeed, I would not be interested in contributing anything to an effort based on a thievery of an existing project i was hypocritically bashing before then eating up its scraps like some deranged starved pig. It's not that I'm idealistic and perfectionist about how it needs to be a new translation from scratch. I would say that machine translations are more dignified than the thievery you're defending, because at least they have a non negative added value, and because you're not leeching off the umblical cord of the original project you're hoping to get away with more than this one time.
>>12445905>NEVER share notes, info or updatesOr releases at this rate>I could have sniped his Persona translation but I don't want sureSuuuuure you could have buddy, I bet you are also a Navy Seal with over 300 confirmed kills. Any other lies you want to share while you're at it?
>>12439632>WE WERE HURRYING AND SCRAMBLING>10 years in the making
This and bulk slash are probably my favorite Saturn games ever and I can't express my thanks enough to eadmaster for saving this translation! My dad really wanted to play this but unfortuntely he passed before he was able..
>trekkiesraped cuckold
>>12445903Looking forward to eadmaster's finished Langrisser III translation, then!It even has an even longer development hell and an unfinished beta he can pass off as his own work. A shame it doesn't come with a github file with a "build_me.bat" file and a soul pact, excuse me, GPL license buried somewhere, but I'm sure he'll prove his brownnosers right in due time. He should capitalize on the time Cyberwarrior has left on the internet to milk enough thrilling drama out of it, otherwise it's back to shitty machine translations.>Now lying about MTLYou would do well to check out eadmaster's other ventures on his github
>>12442051>>12445798Knowing someone who works in Japanese media translation, I can say with reasonable certainty: companies DO NOT want their official translations to look like a fantranslation. If there are fantranslations out there, they will use them as cross-reference to ensure absolutely nothing accidentally resembles fanwork too much. There's one anecdote I remember where a fantranslation released mid-translation and my bud was ordered to redo the entire wip from scratch under time constraints. This is why I don't get why you'd ever fantranslate something that you know for a fact is getting localized in English; it's not about "options", it's that they genuinely get in the way and make other people's work more difficult for no good reason.
>>12445935And speaking of Trekkies, it seems he was complaining a while ago about someone DM'ing him about tools for an unreleased Saturn project of his to finish it faster with MTL and claim as his. Who wanted to be the next eadmaster?
>>12445947>companies DO NOT want their official translations to look like a fantranslation.Anon the translators for those companies come from the fan translation spaceI'm reminded of the dude who translated the Ys games
>>12445938>Looking forward to eadmaster's finished Langrisser III translation, then!What? You mean you don't want to use the immaculate work Cyber released that had an example posted in >>12439887 ? And you call yourself a brown noser, sure it's literally gibberish, but it's clearly better because Cyber made it and eadmaster didn't touch it!By the way, Cyber flat out said anyone is welcome to use that trainwreck literal Alpha 0.2 version hack he released of Langrisser III to make a proper translation, retard
>>12445954Of all the examples... Ys Oath of Felghana became a cautionary tale for companies not to associate with "fans" too much. The programmer had a falling out with the translator and felt left out by their arrangement with Xseed and Falcom so he... did stuff that ended up in a restraining order and a deranged lulcow self documentary of a personal blog documenting his misadventures with them.Fans technically own the intellectual property of that script at least partially, the company not shutting that and asserting their rights to it opens them later to unfortunate copyright trolls and frivolous lawsuits by similar "fans" (like the guy who did Chrono Resurrection and sent an invoice to Square, then went around E3 talking to other publishers than Square as if HE owned Chrono Trigger), the most grace the company can do is to refuse to acknowledge its existence in any way>>12445959>Cyber flat out said anyone is welcome to use thatoh, so consent is the actual deal killer. totally. shame...
>>12445954A fair amount of the translators do, but certainly not the suits. Ys is a rare example of a non-vn, non-doujinshi getting picked up because the series was niche and I recall the fantranslation wasn't released yet so the company approached the fantranslation group and worked out a deal to save them some work and headache. Granted, this situation isn't too comparable because it looks unlikely that Princess Crown will get a rerelease. Though as >>12445967 said, XSEED was naive. Why do you think companies keep rejecting Aeon Genesis translations (Cave Story, Puyo Puyo)? Because with fans, there are less things under your control, more room for embarrassment, I guarantee.
>>12445948>and claim as hisYou have chronic lying syndrome dude. They never tried to claim the project as theirs and in fact the complaint was not because they wanted in any way to claim it. He mentioned that someone PMed him asking if he help them use MTL to finish the translation, but Trekkie didn't want to rely on MTL. His main complaint didn't even have anything to do with someone asking him about MTL but that the few people who contacted him to offer to help ghosted him after seeing that it was more than a handful of lines to translate. He also ranted that he thinks MTL results in a shoddy product, but again, nobody offered to do MTL to "steal" his translation.You must sleep on a tinfoil bed under a tinfoil roof in a tinfoil house if you are this paranoid about anyone so much as glancing over at another product being the intent to "steal" it. Let me guess, you are also a "translator" who has been sitting on a translation for over a decade, oh, I am SURE it's going to be released any second now.
>>12445947We weren't talking about a publisher or a developer here though, we were talking about a company that makes an overpriced emulation big with emulation that's as good as >>12442092 trying to make an extra buck by re-selling roms of old games on disk, and thinking they can get a few more quick bucks by releasing translated versions. They literally have fan translators working on the actual emulation of the device already.I can definitely see a company like that using fan translations in their releases.
>>12445947Only because they don't want to get caught stealing from the fantranslation scene. Or rather someone they hired stole from a fan translation.
>>12445954>I'm reminded of the dude who translated the Ys gamesYou mean the asswit pretending to know Japanese while hallucinating the scripts with WWWJDIC, which NightWolve even incorporated into his Translation Station tool at his request to help him speed up the progress. In other words, Deuce's hack job was actually shit, and there was no reason to buy and use it on a commercial product due to poor quality unless he and Tom wanted to specifically get back at NightWolve for personal reasons. They also contracted him to work on the English PSP release of Trails in the Sky FC, and that version was riddled with critical mistranslations that had to be patched for the PC release.Somehow, the retard is still around as MoriyaMug and still continues participating in the scene, such as in Gideon's Splatterworld patch.
>>12446024>Somehow, the retard is still around as MoriyaMug and still continues participating in the scene, such as in Gideon's Splatterworld patch.Son of a Motherfuck.
Funny, I don't recall any of you faggots getting this worked up over a retro-bit selling cartridges with stolen translations on them
>>12446197That's because this wasn't stolen, it was """""stolen""""" IE a ten-year-old hunk of work was used with permission via the license from back then, and was fully credited to the originators, but with the rest of the work actually fucking completed by eadmaster in a fraction of the time those idiots spent sitting around with their thumbs up their asses. This means people are happily playing the game and thanking them, but they didn't get 100% of the credit, nor did they get all the attention they wanted, which is the worst thing ever and a crime against fan translation. The fan translation scene is awful.
>>12446197The retro-bit incident caused a stir in that scene and was resolved by retro-bits paying the translators they stole from (actually it was Rod Merida, which they hired for an exorbitant sum only for him to just take existing translations and mix them) for the rights to use their work, so I bet the parties with the actual grievances preferred it to be solved that way considering they all stopped complaining about it.>>12445972>Why do you think companies keep rejecting XThat's because of the same reason why you heard about it, which you never should have in the first place. Those translators were turning their work and pitches into public spectacles, with the companies as the unwilling participants and a very different dynamic than a normal developer contracting a job and evaluating it on its merits and either choosing it or declining it without some psychotic episode with a massive audience privy to that meeting's details. There's a lot of things that could go wrong. For one, even Nintendo lost the rights to the Dragon Hoppers Virtual Boy trademark because some random game publisher heard rumors about VB support and snagged it in late 2024. That's also a lot of time for any potential competition to completely take the wind out of the sails of any release strategy they might have then.It's also a very sleazy way to pressure game developers into accepting any shit "for the fans" who are wailing about the dead franchise or whatever. What makes THIS more preferable than contracting someone normal and sane from the usual channels? Even if companies pull this shit towards each other, they're pretty willing to sink multimillion deals, like that failed Netflix deal with Nintendo.>>12445978>>12446225>tinfoil hatYou haven't exactly provided reasons for anyone to trust you around.>Let me guess, you are also a "translator" who has been sitting on a translation for over a decadeYou know what, I might as well entertain your delusions with pic related.
>>12446318>Let me guess, you are also a "translator" who has been sitting on a translation for over a decadeWhat the fuck would make you think that? Did you misread my post or something? I'm on eadmaster's side in this nonsense, as anyone sane would be.
>>12446337You're the picture of sanity.
>>12446345Suck it, trekkie or whoever you are
>>12446042If you needed someone to tell you that Japaneselets and retards were the ones working on that project to try and slop it out as fast as they could, then bad news... YOU'RE retarded.>"have you ever bullied 'Damiyan' before?">(yes case): "It's addictive, isn't it!">(no case): "You should bully 'Damiyan' whenever anything's bugging you. It's really quite refreshing!">"'Damiyan' is in the northeast part of the island"
End of the day this translation is still better than what happened with segagaga
>>12446318>You haven't exactly provided reasons for anyone to trust you around.You're replying to two different people, retardAnd you haven't given any reason for anyone to trust a single word you say since it's all been lies and just going "stolen stolen stolen!" when nothing was stolen
>>12446427>end of the day, sludge is still better than sewageNot your most convincing argument.
>>12446424I think most of us already knew, just weren't expecting the sheer depths of depravity on display.That said, we all knew AG woke up to crap out a rushjob, but what happened with the lazarus_ds version? It even looked like AG renegged on some of their bizarre name choices they seemed so deadset on using after lazarus put out a preview. And yeah, it wasn't perfect either, but it looked a lot better. Kinda stopped paying attention after RHDN decided to butt in and be a weird dick about the whole thing.>>12446427Segagaga was a tragedy.>We finally did the improbable and figured out how to hack the game after 1/4 of a century has passed!>NOOO OMG WE GOTTA RUSH THIS OUT THE DOOR BEFORE OUR ADVERSARIES HEAR ABOUT THIS!! WHAT'S THE FASTEST WAY TO TRANSLATE SOMETHING PEPPLE PUT THEIR HEART AND SOUL INTO??What did they expect...
>>12446436Now I’m starting to question the quality of ExxistanceDC work, considering they’ve released five english patch games in the past few months.
>>12446434ok trekkies
They write like perma-virgin basement nerds so people dodged a bullet here.lolcows of romhacking
>>12445905>thieveryIt's GPL.
>>12445798>By the same logic, eadmaster can also steal any project ever released for Princess Crown and release it under his name, claiming it made use of Cyberwarrior's GPL repository and thus is itself GPL and thus "I can release it under my name".No, eadmaster may only fork projects licensed under GPL and modify/redistribute them in compliance with the GPL.
>>12445720>used to defame him and his current work.CyberWarrior and Sam defamed themselves
>>12446318oh boy, as much as I loved it I almost don't want to see the game in that picture translated because there is no way it's not going to make a stir from morons calling the game "racist' and translators 'censoring' it out of fear and/or to appear like 'the good guys'.
>>12446848>implying the Japanese aren't racist as hell
>>12446427>End of the day this translation is still better than what happened with segagagaTrue, though in the case of Segagaga at least the translators released all their tools and work publicly so that anyone that wants to do a better job can have a much easier time trying to tackle it.Well, Eadmaster also did the same but his translation is fine and doesn't need a redo.
always hilarious when trekkies comes here shitting up saturn threadsmoron doesn't realize he is giving Sega communities the worst reputation.
I have a feeling trekkies is cyberwarrior and instead of working on translating things he spends his time shitposting about stealing things instead.
I'm glad translators have stopped giving a fuck about whether there's another project in the works, so many translations have been held up for years because even though there's appetite to translate it, someone else already "claimed" it and no one wants to step on their toes. That era is over. If you won't finish your translation, someone else will.
>>12447398Calling dibs is over but the only reason Princess Crown got translated is because the dumbfucks left their tools on github for years thinking no one would ever use them. This is the kind of stupidity you see on reality shows about crime.
>>12447398The bad news is, now we're to the point where they've simply stopped giving a fuck at all. Every week it's like there's some new MTL or AI sewage getting spewed out with the excuse that "UHHH IF YOU CARE SO MUCH THEN WHY DON'T YOU DO YOUR OWN TRANSLATION LMAO"."Fan" translations contain the word "fan" for a reason, and if you aren't enough of a fan to see that something you claim to like gets done the right way, if you aren't willing to put its best foot forward, then don't even bother.
>>12447442Eat shit trekkies
>>12446427The Segagaga translation is literally fine, stop being a hysterical woman.
>>12447454>no argument>starts accusing people of being women and tranniesName a more iconic duo.
>>12447442>done the right wayWhat was improper about eadmaster's release? And if it's so bad, then why didn't CyberWarriorX and SamIAm offer to collaborate with eadmaster?
>>12447469>What was improper about eadmaster's release?
>>12447484He was removed from the collaboration a week after joining, trekkies
>>12447484lol that translator had a falling out with eadmaster as soon as his project started
>>12447462Argument was that the translation is fine, never mentioned trannies at all. Don’t be weird.
>未訳the irony of that name
>>12447484N5 is really good right?
>>12447515NON1 is the best, N2 is basically fluent, N5 is what Japanese kids learn before preschool.
>>12447515The N[x ]thing is a meme, it's just a cheap way to get followers as if you're at the top of the weeb hierarchy and everyone else is a lemming. Easiest way to tell if someone's a bullshit artist doing it for attention. Not that it matters because this person not only fell for the meme but then tried to pull an over-9000 with it.
>>12447442>and if you aren't enough of a fan to see that something you claim to like gets done the right waylike releasing censored slop with political messages and modern pop culture references ala working designs? I'll settle for AI and MTL, over some faggot completely shitting over the original work, because of 'modern sensibilities'
>>12447539>like releasing censored slop with political messages and modern pop culture references ala working designs?Post 10 (TEN) examples of this happening in recent fan translations, citing the original Japanese text and providing a "correct" translation to support your claims.
>>12442851>One has popped upWhich?
>>12447551he meant his 10 year old non-project's "revival". Which ended up going nowhere.Can't make this stuff up. He was that petty.
>>12447431Why does that make them dumbfucks? That's the GPL working as intended, it means other people can legally continue your work if you get hit by a bus, or come down with a bad case of never-do-anything-again.
>>12447542No.
>>12447539Not that anon but holy fuck are you demoralized. Someone says that people shouldn't have to eat slop you say its better than shit. Dude wouldn't good translations be preferable to anyone? A bad translation is worse than no translation.
>>12446436>what happened with the lazarus_ds version?I think it's really sus that Lazarus_DS said his version with another hacker was nearly complete and then we got radio silence on it soon after Aeon Genesis blindsided them, and romhacking.net didn't help matters. Odds are, if it was a bluff, they quietly canceled it; if it wasn't a bluff, they're using their industry connections and every avenue available to them to plead their case to Namco to officially release the game digitally with a modified/approved version of their translation. Yes I know this probably means no dictators, but that's a small price to pay for finishing the single-digit-percent left to finish in the game, and it probably was going to get removed before production anyway.>What did they expect...It's discouraging real translators from entering the industry because for the uninitiated dressing up a machine to "sound natural" is good enough, but a machine is always going to miss context clues that a learned person will pick up on which these greenhorns don't understand. Most of them don't actually learn anything or grow after churning out MTL results, they're still the same annoying clueless kid they were before and afterwards.
>>12447542how about you go suck my dick
>>12447331Trekkies has been confirmed to do it for at least a decade, I don't know about Cyberwarrior.
>>12447539Don't forget the bullshit "balance" changes they would make to the games, like making you pay with exp to save in Lunar.
>>12447586>Can localizers?It's not a question of if they canIt's a question of if they wouldAnd the answer depends on if they care more about translating the original as intended, or want to use it as an excuse to turn the game into their own fanfiction and messaging
>>12447905WD absolutely went too far with all their balance changes. Would've been better to just add an extra bad guy in every map.However, they did have a point in that jap games are always very easy because they prefer easy games, and that american games have to be harder both because kids here prefer the challenge. They also have to be more difficult from a business point of view: if the game is easy, you can rent 1-2 times and beat it - if it is harder, you have to spend weeks, months on it, so you have to buy it. So harder games = more sales.
>>12439632>>12439882>discord messages that read like forum postsDefinitely one of the biggest red flags for a faggot.
>>12447913>or want to use it as an excuse to turn the game into their own fanfiction and messagingAnd you have not provided any examples of this actually happening.
>>12448164>They also have to be more difficult from a business point of view: if the game is easy, you can rent 1-2 times and beat it - if it is harder, you have to spend weeks, months on it, so you have to buy it. So harder games = more sales.That as more a thing Gen 3 and some of Gen 4, by mid Gen 4 and especially Gen 5 is was possible to make games that were long and would take weeks for kids to beat without making them ridiculously hard. On top of that the SegaCD saved to the unit so nothing would have stopped someone from just renting it again and continuing their save.
>>12448861>On top of that the SegaCD saved to the unitSo I rent it, save, rent it again, save, rent it again, and I beat the game for a fraction of the price of buying the game.Good logic.
>>12448164>However, they did have a point in that jap games are always very easy because they prefer easy games, and that american games have to be harder both because kids here prefer the challenge. You say kids but the target audiance for WD weren't really kids, in fact that's the other main difference that explains the balance changes. In Japan those same games like Lunar or Magic Knight Rayearth were targetted at *everyone* including kids (pre-teens) and more casual players, but the kind of gamer that would buy a Working Design game in the US was exclusively a hardcore gamer that was either a teenager or a young adult. That's part of the context that WD haters always fail to realize, also because starting from the 00's onward there has increasingly less and less difference between a game for kids and casuals and a game for "hardcore gamers".
>>12448903The age difference things also boils down to the fact that jap players preferred easier games while US players liked more challenging ones. Whether it is a cultural thing or just the fact that japan has little kids playing while US audience is teen to young adults is a minor detail.>starting from the 00's onward there has increasingly less and less difference between a game for kids and casuals and a game for "hardcore gamers".disagree, it was around that time when there started to become a difference between easy/casual games and "hardcore" games. Well, mid 00s or so, anyway.
>>12448890Funny how that was not a problem for anyone else Gen 5. Almost as if anti-rental was not the reason Working Designs did that shit.Some of their stupid decisions were scaled back on the PSX version, despite that having the same "issue" of rentals.
