What is the psychology of Americans hoarding undumped video games? Japs I get. You live in a closet, you're a 60 year old virgin, glorius nippon fakku you white piggu etc. Whatever. But at least they have things people want. Like EarthBound 64 or the early version of Resident Evil 4 with ghosts. Westerners when they die and their stash is looted it's always utter crap. Like you spent 30 years jealously guarding your debug copy of Cal Ripkin baseball before you choked on a hotdog and died?
>>12454751>What is the psychologyI get it, you don't.Na-na-na-na-boo-boo.
>>12454751>the shit you have sucks donkey dick!>...but also I desperately need to have it in my ROM folder, so much so that I seethe about it and post fantasies about your death on 4chenPick a lane, Ex-Lax
>>12454758What are you claiming to have and who are you claiming said they want it?
It's MINE
>>12454754Yeah but again it's shit. That unreleased Splatterhouse JRPG that got dumped a little while ago that's interesting. If someone said they had that I'd want to play it. But whenever Frank Cifaldi or any of those groups get a big lot of games from some dead fatso's estate it's always "Here's a review copy of Chester Cheetah and here's a half localized version of Spanky's Quest and here's a test ROM someone wrote to learn how to use the dev kit"
>>12454769Then you should be fine with them not dumping them instead of seething about it, right?
>>12454774Yes as I've said. Are you illiterate or not understanding the question?
>>12454778They like owning rare things that they enjoy. When you said "hoarding," I (probably correctly) assumed you meant it in the sense of refusing to dump their games.
>>12454768it's FUCKING mine and you can only borrow it
>>12454754Pretty much this collectors that hoard prototypes love the fact that they can own something unique that nobody else has. It's rumored that the person going nuts with Cookie's Bustle takedowns is a collector who was pissed that his game got leaked.>>12454758>>...but also I desperately need to have it in my ROM folder, so much so that I seethe about it and post fantasies about your death on 4chenGames that never released at all, it's obvious why someone would want to play them, look at that recent Splatter World for example, or Dinosaur Planet. Protos and betas, those are still important not for someone to "have it in my ROM folder" but for places that data-mine and analyze such protos to see what differences they have and any deleted content that was left in the ROM which was removed in retail copies. There has been a treasure trove of deleted content found in Sonic betas and protos for example.
>>12454751it's muh value. A lot of this undumped stuff has historical notoriety or importance beyond the fact that it's undumped. That's the whole claim to fame. If the owner dumps it, it just becomes another curiosity. That would crater the value, because they like jerking off to the idea of everyone wanting to try out their precious undumped game, as well as wanting to be able to sell it for ridiculous sums of cash. For instance, that faggot with the Socks the Cat cart that would troll people by showing blurry potato-tier footage of the game in 5 second clips.
I remember hearing a story about how there was someone who owns a one-of-a-kind arcade cabinet who refused to dump the rom. But then one day it leaked and this guy went apeshit. Apparently some guys pretending to be service technicians went in and dumped the rom data while working on the cab.
>>12454751It doesn’t matter.
>>12455145That's the "official" version of the story. It's generally believed that he more likely leaked it himself and blamed "rogue technicians" so he didn't get blacklisted from rare arcade game trading circles.
>>12455520kek, didn't know there was a cabal of arcade illuminati jewsStory makes me think about that one dipshit who found the StarCraft source code disc. As soon as he posted about it online it was over, because if a dump did randomly appear online, blizzard would've known it was him. If only the guy just didn't say anything publicly and released it
The people who demand each and every game gets dumped are pathetic but hoarders are even bigger faggots because unlike the dumpers who everyone to experience it the hoarders are saddos whose entire self with is built on buying other people's work accomplishments to claim as their own.
>>12455145>>12455135>>12454946>>12454769As always, the problems comes down to the same usual suspects and their infamous examples, Dicks (Chris Stamper and his UK trolls with the Conker 64 build that's fake and that SNES KI2 proto thats 100% RE@L, NO FAKE) Pussies (The Japanese and their retarded boomer anti consumer laws) and Assholes.(Libshits and T-slur people)
>>12455520Lmao that's hilarious>>12455614>didn't know there was a cabal of arcade illuminati jewsHoarders just do be like that. I collect concert bootlegs and demo tapes from various bands, and some guys in that scene are exactly the same, if not even worse. It happened to me several times that some angry retard screeched about muh trader's codex and threatened to put me on the blacklist of his schizo community because I uploaded something rare online to make sure people can freely listen to it without having to trade it for some shitty Grateful Dead tapes or whatever universal currency those autists use lol.
>>12455145Pretty sure you're thinking of the Marble Madness 2 guy. He owned three of the known MM2 cabinets and refused to share the ROM. Years ago when asked by the MAME devs he jokingly said some amount he thought they could not possibly afford, and when they were getting that amount pretty quickly through donations he suddenly rescinded his offer, leaving them holding the bag on tons of donations they could not refund that were meant for dumping the game.The ROM for that finally leaked in 2022, though from my understanding there were at least two different versions of the game, one that controls with joystick and one that controls with a trackball, I think it was the joystick version that was the only one that leaked.>>12455520I doubt that, why would he want to leak them when he was so stubborn about it before? Especially if it could lead to him being "blacklisted" like you said, what benefit does he gain from it being leaked? He clearly didn't give a shit about MAME preserving it, which would have been the only benefit or reason to do it.
>>12455614>As soon as he posted about it online it was overIIRC he immediately returned it to Blizzard, even before he posted about it online I think. Everyone called him out for that stupidity.>>12455654It's insane, look at the story of California Raisins arson and murder for people to get the cartridge from the kid who just accidently stumbled upon it and wanted to keep it. IIRC I think he had even dumped and shared the dump online, he just wanted to keep the physical cart himself, and was murdered for it.
I really don't get it. My enjoyment comes from taking about games with others and sharing stories and memes about it. And that's starting to fade as the retro community dries up and I find i have less time for it. Hoarders don't make sense to me. Maybe they're a commute where they jerk each other off on their beta zelda that has the pixel in a different location from the final build but what's the point? A smallmonument of plastic and silicon shit that they get to look at knowing that they bought it? Sounds like a sad lonely existence.
>>12454751>psychology of AmericansHoarders are a problem all around the world. The Japanese are worse about it if anything, because they have a stick up their asses about roms and emulators. They're less likely to help dump something.
>>12455718The guy who dumped the California Raisins game sold it shorty after he released the ROM. His murder was an unrelated act of violence by his roommate.
>>12454751>Americans
>>12455712>He clearly didn't give a shit about MAME preserving itMaybe he did give a shit about it, and just wanted a way to release it while saving face with the other hoarders?
>>12456331That makes no sense. Why would he wait literal decades only to recently pull a "Oh no! Someone stole it from me!" lie? You're telling me that he was secretly in favor of the emulator devs, something many collectors actively dislike, and strung people along for over 20 years only to FAKE it being leaked? Vs it actually leaking? That makes no sense.
>NOOOOOOOO IT'S NOT FAIR I DESERVE TO PLAY EVERY PIECE OF NICHE GARBAGE FORGOTTEN UNRELEASED SHITno you don't>I HAVE A RIGHTno you don't
>>12455654>The people who demand each and every game gets dumpedThey are the real hoarders.
>>12455520Based if true
>>12454751What is the psychology of neckbeards thinking they're entitled to everything?
Seems we pissed off a nest of hoarders and they are now being butthurt in this thread
>>12454751Making people like you lose sleep over it is more than enough of a reason.
>>12455679>>didn't know there was a cabal of arcade illuminati jews>Hoarders just do be like that. I collect concert bootlegs and demo tapes from various bands, and some guys in that scene are exactly the same, if not even worse.Been there too, but to a lesser degree. Bought a bunch of old doujinshi from this one jewbag hoarder, that originally thought he was going to make a fortune reselling doujinshi online. But then someone dumped one of them, his expected sales tanked and he started hoarding the rest. So I eventually picked up what I could, scanned them and dumped them anonymously. Because he was a fucking faggot, that would have tried to have me banned from the site, if he could prove I did it. And I did, cause fuck him.
>>12456343>That makes no sense. Why would he wait literal decades only to recently pull a "Oh no! Someone stole it from me!" lie?Because these faggots keep records of every known buyer, then tell their boyfriends not to trade with you anymore. These are people that truly have no life and will go into debt, just so you can't have it. They're not normal.
>>12454751I hoard 4 thingsGunsGamesGasolineGrubBecause I am a prepper and I plan to ride it out in my bunker playing with my collection
>>12458223More likely one gelatinous tub of guts that weighs as much as several people.
>>12458281You completely missed my point, I was saying why would the harder WANT to release the ROM? Not why would the hoarder community blacklist him. He gains nothing from releasing the ROM, in fact, he loses both value from his physical cabinets and risks being blacklisted if found out.I don't think there was some conspiracy where he was planning to release the ROM for decades and then finally did it with a fake coverup story that some tech betrayed him and leaked it. I think the far more likely possibility is that someone did betray him and leak it.
>>12455712My guess is that he had a personal dump and made the mistake of sharing it with someone he trusted, who then leaked it. Then he made up the "some random technicians dumped my arcade game while I wasn't looking" story so that the collector circle didn't blame him.
>>12454758I am actually in the former. There is so much lost media that is worth while. Betas of mid games, not so much. Let collector act like they got something special, pro tip, they don't. But also I don't give two shits about physical media. The only leaked betas I cared about came through software leaks, not hard media. Piracy FTW.
>>12458374He did have a personal dump as a backup, this was no secret. I just don't think it was him with a fake coverup story, but likely someone else who betrayed him like you said.
>>12455145AtariScott was the collector, Akka Arrh (sp?) was the game. Total neckbeard elitist dweeb type, actually dumpster dived Atari dumpsters for protos and dev tools, gatekept it all like a dragon's treasure hoard.
Last Odyssey, how I long for thee…http://neogeoprotos.com/puzzle.htm
Some things are so rare and worthless that without knowing whats inside there is no value in the plastic.No one is interested in buying developer build that might be just plain color test or sprite test or whatever is the minimum to test the thing.Meanwhile dumbed version allows people to measure its value.Kind of like buying a horse you haven't seen, you haven't seen its picture and you don't even know if it is real and ultimately it is corpse of a cat.
>>12455679I remember knowing this one guy who obsessively hoarded every last release from some semi-obscure Japanese metal band and he'd do so precisely just so that he could upload and share demo tapes and live recordings that otherwise nobody would ever get, people like that are the backbone of a community.
>>12459205I know people will insist it isn't the case, but there is absolutely added value for undumped things, if only because an undumped ROM itself can hold value. If a prototype of a mediocre unreleased game shows up for sale, it will typically generate hype if that game is undumped. Once it has been dumped, the interest falls off a cliff, because the only real interest was from people who either wanted to preserve the thing, or people who wanted it so that they'd be one of very few, if not the sole owner, of rare game data. People have even held fundraisers to back the dump of unreleased proto data, which obviously you can't do if the data is already out there. And yeah, there's definitely gambling involved in the world of protos, which probably adds to why people get hoarder-y with the data. Prototype collectors might wind up spending thousands on duds, be they final versions of games or even entirely blank cartridges, before finally striking a prerelease version of a game that some people might actually care about, so they might not feel as generous to give away said interesting data to people who contributed nothing to their search and had to deal with none of the despair of finding out that the "sure thing" gambles they took were all duds.
>>12459237And I'll also add, th a t if you spend any time looking at prototype communities, you'll find there's plenty of ungrateful people who bitch about how the ROMs that they're getting for free aren't good enough.
>>12454751I'm more annoyed with ex-devs, 70yo bald, diabetic, half-senile dudes, sitting on source code and circlejerking each other.
You might own the cartridge but you don’t own the right to determinate it online. And it would be wrong to do so.
>>12458372>he loses value from his physical cabinetsthings that never happened for 500
>>12459237This is just how it goes. Undumped prototypes usually just have a near-finished build on them that isn't interesting. They're usually mainly just sought-after because they have a slim chance to contain early assets that the developers hadn't gotten around to cleaning up yet.
>>12455679>>12458258People who dedicate their lives to collecting rare anything tend to not be the most mentally stable people, and typically use the appeal of their rare items as a substitute for charm and personality to get people to interact with them. Normal people would seek to have the rare item put in a museum, rather than try to become the official gatekeeper and caretaker for some one-of-a-kind item. Because they have things to do with their life outside of dedicating it to the rare item.At least it was hilarious watching it explode in the faces of the comic scene hoarders. Bunch of literal boomers were convinced their rare copies of X were gonna make them millionaires when it came time to retire, only to find mainstream interest in comics were practically dead and no one wanted to buy. Now they've inflated the prices and are passing the comics around to each other to pretend the market is still alive, while any new buyers just buy the hard-cover trades that have full runs.
It's no different than elitist assholes who won't let you in on private trackers despite being a good seeder.
>>12459768>Normal people would seek to have the rare item put in a museumNormal people would look to sell it for maximum profit
>>12454751>Japs i get because they have someth-I don't, they are just being bigger dicks if they are holding on to stuff people want
>>12459841The argument is that they don't because of stricter enforcement of copyright law in Japan. Which is fair, though in a number of cases, unreleased games were made by defunct companies and are likely entirely forgotten to time, even by whomever might own the rights to the defunct company's library (which I don't even know would matter in the case of unpublished games). I can understand the hesitation regardless, but once you witness how some of them behave, it's pretty clear that their desire to "hoard" isn't solely rooted in fear or sime bizarre desire to protect Japanese cultural treasures, rather a lot clearly stems from the same motivations as western collectors (monetary value, collector cred, dickwaving potential, and the thrill of relative exclusivity).
>>12459713>things that never happened for 500Are you seriously trying that argue that if you had the only known physical copy of something which is not available online, and then someone makes it available online, it would not devalue your physical copy?
>>12460163Yeah, especially when it comes to B-tier and lower games, where the added value in the proto is largely tied to the hope of it containing unique data. Somebody might throw down an extra $50 for a guaranteed interesting and undumped prototype of a horse racing sim, but if that same ROM appears to be final or immediately shows up for download after a Google search, good luck getting much of anything over the base price of a dev board or dev disc for it.
>>12459830It's a lot different. All getting into a private tracker is is time investment, it's just tedious. You're also not getting anything you can't get anywhere else with a bit of effort.
>>12460212Dealing with T-slur people ain't worth with.
Reminder that if there were a group of ultra autismos who were so protective of an unaired pilot of a baby show who send those interested in it on multiple wild goose chases, there's no doubt the same exists for videogames, the EB64 might as well exist in someone's basement who the owner of it will spend his whole life saying it's locked away in Nintendo's vault
>>12459962>Japanese Laws>FairHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
>>12459768>Normal people would seek to have the rare item put in a museum, rather than try to become the official gatekeeper and caretaker for some one-of-a-kind item. Because they have things to do with their life outside of dedicating it to the rare item.Completely wrong.Having something rare especially something that is 1 of 1 and is coveted is something everyone wants. This theme plays out in movies all the time with treasure or some rare jewel.You just sound extremely salty because you're used to being able to pirate everything but not this time and it kills you.
>>12461812There are a lot of big talkers in the old games community, who like to talk big about what they would do if they wound up with some rarity while demanding that others do what they themselves would supposedly do, yet there's a good chance they never contribute anything and go silent when it comes time to raise funds for proto dumps.And I get it, some people can't afford to, but at least they can put in effort to document stuff that's out there. There'd plenty of prototype dumps out there, even interesting builds of popular games, with next to no documentation
>>12461812>muh plastic toy is worth millions like national treasures
>>12461862>and go silent when it comes time to raise funds for proto dumpsThat's not that simple though.I remember some redump.org guys rising the money for their expenses on CDs something like 15 years ago. Those CDs now cost something like 10 times as much. Obviously they didn't sell them and give back to the donors for the goodness of their hearts. So when you do that, you just sponsor someone's collection. More so, if the benefiting party is a hoarder, like Video Game History Foundation - there's no guaranty they'll put anything out in the public.
>>12462676>So when you do that, you just sponsor someone's collectionYou're talking about redump people, who dump things and make the ROMs public. That's what the donation is for, to offset their immediate costs and incentivize them to continue to release things, without having to pay the full bill yourself. Now if they took donations but never released anything that they were fundraising for, that would be a different story.
>>12460163Because it doesn't. The vast majority of protos fetch prices comparable to commercially available dumped games go for. You're paying for prestige, not the contents. And before you start talking about auctions, Heritage Auctions is a scam.
>>12459962>the japs don't do it cause they're afraid they'll go to jailNo, they don't do it because they're assholes. They could just as easily anonymously leak the files online through foreign hosting sites, post them on newsbins, use VPNs, etc. But, they don't, because they're xenophobic assholes. They've been raised to be selfish little pricks and this is the result.
>>12463506Big part of it is insecurity caused by having tiny microscopic 13cm penis. They feel threatened by the westerners' magnificent 14cm cocks.
>>12463497Are you seriously trying to use retail pri9ces to judge a proto's worth? They are generally one of a kind items, not something mass produced, they usually ONLY go for auctions. And I am not talking about Heritage.
>>12463506You are a child.
>>12463545and you are delusional, now get the tiny yellow pecker outta your mouth
>>12463497The prototype community is not a direct overlap with retail game collectors. >prestigeAnd yes, there is more prestige tied to owning an interesting undumped prototype than owning a dumped prototype. If somebody posted in a prototype community to say they owned an unreleased game, but it was one that was posted online years ago, nobody would bat an eye. Somebody shows up with a prototype that ISN'T online, and watch how quickly people swarm them to get any tidbit of information. Bio Force Ape was dumped years ago, and it was a big fucking deal. A few years ago, a few new builds of the same game were dumped, and nobody gave a shit. Why? Because BFA no longer had the same mystique. Even with as much as prices have gone up since the initial sale of the Famicom prototype, you'd probably consider yourself lucky to sell one for the same $2k monies that one sold for back then. And maybe you do, and you get a bit more out of it, but I absolutely guarantee you it will not sell for the ~$10k that Magical Kid Indy proto sold for a few years ago, which sold for that much precisely because there was a race to preserve vs hoarde the contents. Nobody would be able to fundraise to buy the dumped proto cartridge of BFA, but people were fundraising to buy Indy, which quite possibly triggered a wealthy Japanese collector to toss his bank account at it and lead to a huge fucking sale.
>>12458284>hoarding gasoline in a prepper-type scenarioAnon...gasoline goes bad after a few months. If you're ever in a SHTF scenario where you'll need guns to protect yourself in your bunker, that gasoline has long gone to shit.
