why do people call the genre "metroidvania" when the correct term, the one that the Japanese who invented the genre use, is search action? "metroidvania" was used to refer to the Castlevania games with Super Metroid exploration (as opposed to classicvanias), it was never intended to be the name of the whole genre. >b-but common usage!if everyone else jumped off a cliff, would you too?
>search actionIt's "action-adventure." There's no such thing as a "search" genre or "search" game.It's an action game in terms of combat and platforming and having bosses but it has the exploration, backtracking, and item collection/usage of an adventure game.
Why do people call it soulslike when it is metroidvania?I think it was also known as soulborne but I haven't seen that term in a longtime.
>>12459202Metroid clone>b-b-but SotN!The ripoff doesn't get to name the genre, might as well call FPS Doomnukems.
>>12459215Doom clones are a thing.
>>12459210action adventure includes games like zeldas and no one would lump them in the same genre as symphony of the night, they play nothing alike. hence the designation "search action"
>>12459218>search actionThat doesn't exist you just invent it
>>12459218>they play nothing alike.Zelda 2 is remarkably like Castlevania 2 which is what inspired the direction of SotN. All it takes is proper pacing and perspective and Zelda becomes like a Metroidvania.
>>12459219>being proud of being ignorant >>12459220super zelda bros is barely even a zelda game
>>12459218I would. They're adventure games that emphasize action gameplay.
>>12459202It's metroidvania just like ps1 was referred to as psx back in the day
>>12459202"search-action" sounds retarded because 探索=search is a poor interpretation in context.探索型アクション feels more like "exploration-action" which at that point, we already have a perfectly serviceable term: 2D Action-Adventure.
>>12459202Search action sounds retarded and like a bad translation whereas Metroidvania immediately conveys what is meant, which is how colloquialisms work. I know this really bothers autistic people, you sound like tranny Jim Sterling blubbering about how JRPG is a racist term.
>>12459256>>12459258Shut up
>>12459210>action-adventureEvery game can be called "action-adventure" because every game is about some "adventure" you go on and do some "action" in the process.
>>12459307no. adventure is a well defined genre, and action is an understood distinction from traditional adventure games. you're the same type of autist that thinks RPG literally means game where you play a role
>>12459358>adventure is a well defined genreIt's not. People have always been arguing about "quest vs adventure".>action is an understood distinction from traditional adventure gamesAlright, so what should happen when we mix those two distinct genres? As it stands right now, basically anything could be called that.>you're the same type of autist that thinks RPG literally means game where you play a roleExactly, which is also every game since you always play some "role".
>>12459386>quest vs adventureI have never heard of this. here's a wiki to help you outhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventure_game>so what should happen when we mix those two distinct genres?you get what is understood as a "metroidvania". instead of interacting with a parser or point and click interface, you use your items and abilities in an action context with enemies to fight in the same manner
>>12459256>2D Action-Adventure.but that encompasses both top-down action adventure games like zelda and sidescrolling search action games which are wildly different in gameplay so the distinction just makes sense. if anything there should also be a better term for zelda clones
>>12459202>the one that the Japanese who invented the genre use, is search actionMight as well call platformers "athletic games" because that's what Miyamoto referred to them as I agree though, metroidvania should've been abandoned a long time ago
Adventure platformerRPG platformer
>>12459269You got told
>>12459307You play a role in every gameYou fight in every gametherefore you can't use RPG or fighting game
>>12459386Everyone who plays adventure games knows a quest is a singular goal rather than the entire adventure. Adventure games are a series of quests.
>>12459202shut up man
>>12459227>barely even a zelda gameexplain why you think that without posting a youtube video
>>12459532it's a sidescrolling platformer game
>>12459218>action adventure includes games like zeldasMetroid and SotN are what you get when you apply the ORIGINAL Zelda formula to a 2D run & gun platformer. Even Metroid 1 is literally just a 2D platforming take on Zelda 1 with fewer dungeons and no talking NPCs. Even down to the item-based character progression (finding hidden equipment/weapons, hearts/energy tanks, bosses giving you upgrades to hearts/missiles) they're mirror images of each other.
>>12459386I can differentiate with a single game, Fallout:>ADVENTURE START>>QUEST: Find the Water Chip>>--SUBQUEST: Investigate a local Vault.>>--SUBQUEST: Investigate Necropolis.>>--SUBQUEST: Get past Super Mutant occupiers looking for "normals.">>QUEST 2: Stop the Super Mutant army>>--SUBQUEST: Ask Brotherhood of Steel for help.>>--SUBQUEST: Destroy FEV vats.>>QUEST 3: Kill the Master.>ADVENTURE END
>>12459546and every game after ocarina is a 3d platformer, so what's your point?
>>12459386>>you're the same type of autist that thinks RPG literally means game where you play a role>ExactlyThe lack of self-awareness on display here is mind-blowing.
>>12459202Because either Jeremy Parish or Scott Sharkey used the term as kind of a joke and then it caught on. We will probably never know for certain who, because they both hate the term and blame the other. That is the history of the term. Also, no one who speaks English was going to refer to them as search action games because it sounds clunky and stupid to the ear.
>>12459557>ocarina of time>platformer>doesn't even have a jump button, you "jump" by running towards a ledge
>>12459547mega man games also have item based progression and exploration, are they also mirror images of zelda 1? your entire line of reasoning is absurd
>>12459567>explorationYou mean that you can go the direction the screen scrolls in then kill everything until an item is awarded to you? Mega Man is non-linear in that you can do the robot masters in any order until Wily's Castle, if that's what you were trying to say.
>>12459563>game with platforming>that's a platformer!>game with platforming, popular>NOOO IT'S NOT A PLATFORMER!lol
>>12459579 I'm making a point about how stretching definitions until they're useless is stupid. you're so close to getting it.
>>12459595>game with platformingso not Ocarina of Time? that game has fuck all platforming
"search action" does sound more cool, i'll give you that
>>12459606you didn't even make it to the first dungeon lmao
Because for a very long time, well before the indie boom of metroidvanias, there was really only one franchise that was doing what Super Metroid did: and that was Castlevania. Before the 2010s when games like Shadow Complex, Guacamelee, Hollow Knight, Ori etc all exploded into popularity, you had to go to Castlevania to get your fix.It's a catchy term, people know what you mean when you use it, and saying "search action" does not make you Japanese.
>>12459567Mega Man games are not open world semi-linear action-adventure games, they're level-based linear action games.
>>12459621>Before the 2010s when games like Shadow Complex, Guacamelee, Hollow Knight, Ori etc all exploded into popularity, you had to go to Castlevania to get your fix.Cave Story and La Mulana were the games that kicked off discussions about this genre. I haven't seen the term Metroidvania used before the release of the English translation patch for Cave Story.
>>12459608It sounds retarded if you're a native English speaker. Only ESLs would mistake something as stupid as "search action" for something that sounds cool.
>>12459202Because exploration platformer doesn't carry the implications of metroidvania.
>>12459469>there should also be a better term for zelda clonesHydlikes
>>12459610there's zero actual platforming in the game. you run towards a ledge, your character does a jumping animation, you can't fall if you're not braindead, it's all on rails
Search action is too broad of a name.Turrican could be considered a "search action" but it sure as hell isn't a metroidvania.
>>12459558he's right though, role playing game is a stupid term
>>12459215>might as well call FPS Doomnukems.i was partial to boomshoot before, but this is brilliant. I'm stealing this.
>>12459704>you can't fallyou have to fall in the first room of the first dungeon, which you never made it toand the simplicity of the platforming doesn't determine whether it exists, stop embarrassing yourself
>>12459729no it isn't, you just need to know what TTRPGs are instead of taking the term literally
>>12459747>sit at table top>role play as a gambler>play pokerpoker is a role playing game
>>12459748yeah when you don't know what a TTRPG is and take the term literally you look retarded. I'm sure you think romantic music is just played for dates and that modernist writing is anything written within the last year as well
>>12459227>in JapanOkay fuckwad, you're posting on an American imageboard
>>12459753>listening to shoegaze makes you wear shoes and turn gayidk makes sense to me
>>12459748By definition, role playing is pretending. By sitting at an actual poker table and playing actual poker, you're inherently NOT role playing as a gambler, because you ARE ACTUALLY a gambler in that moment engaging in real gambling.
>>12459753>i don't know what i'm talking about so i'll just call you retarded until people believe me!makes sense
>>12459743the game literally does all the platforming for you, you just choose which platform you want to jump to and the game plays the jump animation. you might as well call q*bert a platforming game
>>12459647It was coined in direct reference to SotN >>12459559 but then grew as years went by and more games like it got made.
>>12459729Most genre terms are pretty stupid when you look at them. Fighting game and beat 'em up mean pretty much the same thing linguistically but refer to specific genres and it's semi random that the names got assigned in the way they did. Adventure game and role-playing game could just as easily refer to the same thing, but role-playing video games that took inspiration from the stats and experience combat gameplay of tabletop role-playing games stuck with that name.
>>12459772>you just choose which platform you want to jump to and the game plays the jump animationsounds like a platformer
>>12459789Not him and haven't been following your back and forth but are you saying Qbert is a platformer?
>>12459793i never mentioned qbert
genre names should generally be what a consumer would ask someone for if they wanted to buy a game but didnt have a specific game in mind>i want an RPGis understood at the minimum as wanting a game where you can build and level your character's stats and skills, so if you wanted an RPG and someone gave you Fallout 4 you would be pissed off because it's an action game with dialogue choices that never matter.People wanting that specific kind of gameplay that Metroid and post-SotN Castlevanias offer is easiest to serve if they ask for a game like either of them or like both... a "Metroidvania" if you will.
>>12459523We are talking about game genres, not what you googled.
>>12459553So Fallout is an adventure, a quest, a shooter, an RPG, a turn-based tactics, even a bit of racing game - all at the same time?
>>12459513>You fight in every gameIndeed you do. Be it either other people or some inner demons.
>>12459421>you use your items and abilities in an action context with enemies to fight in the same mannerThat's every shooter, some RPGs, most platformers and even some strategy games. Meanwhile we know exactly what Metroidvania is specifically.
>>12459812It's an RPG; "A Post Nuclear Role Playing Game" to quote the front of the box.It features you going on an adventure that involves combat and some light puzzle solving, but most things are solved by completing quests for people and increasing your level/stats. Also the entire game is heavily reliant on player choices, even more so in the original version which had an actual timed super mutant invasion that would systematically wipe out entire locations with their NPCs depending on where the player went, how long they spent exploring, or even things like telling a caravan where your vault is (that the mutants will follow to find your home).
>>12459797I haven't played OoT but from the bit he described it doesn't sound like a platformer if you're not pressing a jump button to leap onto different platforms and the like. So if there's a gap in the floor or a ledge to jump up to and part of the game is aiming and timing that jump, that makes it a platformer. If you walk towards a gap or a higher ledge and the game just does it automatically as an animation then that's not a platformer. Again, not sure which OoT is but it feels like you two are going back and forth over something very basic.
>>12459817>I haven't played OoT and you think your input on it matters?
>>12459786>Fighting game and beat 'em up mean pretty much the same thing linguistically but refer to specific genres and it's semi random that the names got assigned in the way they did.I always liked the term "tournament fighter." It very neatly describes the genre and delineates it from beat 'em ups all at once, but it never caught on for some reason and people just stuck with the very generic label "fighting game."
>>12459816>an actual timed super mutant invasion that would systematically wipe out entire locations with their NPCs depending on where the player wentno, it's just a time limit where the vault gets wiped out if you take too long, the super mutants don't dynamically move around the map trailing you or anything like that.
>>12459821"one-on-one fighting game" is another used to differentiate from the people who absolutely insist that 4-player brawlers are "fighting games."
>>12459815I thought it was obvious that I meant to progress and unlock new things like in zelda, metroid, and the like. >>12459816It also takes a lot of adventure games with how item interactions work (the rope most notably). Pretty sure the interface is also ripped from games like quest for glory
>>12459202The real reason is that the genre wasn't really common enough to need a label until the 00s, at which point Super Metroid and the GBA Castlevania games (which were based on Symphony of the Night) were the two most prominent examples of it. That's all it really boils down to.>the one that the Japanese who invented the genre use, is search action? No, anon. The Japanese call it "メトロイドヴァニア" (Metroidvania), too. Despite Castlevania not even being called Castlevania there. Search Action is a way lesser used term.
>>12459825Partly right, partly wrong.It was PLANNED that the Mutants would invade all locations after you returned the water chip, and these timer values and the code for it all remain in the game files to be reenabled if someone wanted to.In the original unpatched version of the game, they only kept two of these timers that were special use cases: the Necropolis gets wiped out 110 days after you first visit and Vault 13 gets wiped out after 500 (400 days if you send the water merchant caravans to the vault). I think in the final official patch they only keep the Necropolis timer intact and took away the 500 day hard time limit but most fan patches seem to assume the intended way to play is the vanilla timers for Necropolis and Vault 13 while keeping the other locations disabled still.Otherwise you would have 90 days to finish everything in the Boneyard before Mutants kills everything, and the endings are bugged to make this the only possible ending for the Boneyard (non-canonically killing off the Followers of the Apocalypse).
>>12459819If one of you apparently doesn't understand what the video game term platformer means then it would, yes. >>12459821The point is, most genre names don't hold up logically on close inspection and that doesn't really matter. Just that when someone says "Mortal Kombat is a fighting game, not a beat em up everyone knows what that means"
>>12459839ah, so it's like the Drassen counterattack in Jagged Alliance 2 that got dummied out before release. interesting to learn.
>>12459816I've played it, my point is that adventure genre has nothing to do with Fallout, even though you can assign it to the game.>>12459828>progress and unlock new things like in zelda, metroid, and the likeThat is also very broad. You "progress" and unlock "new things" in Doom. Metroidvania is much more specific.
>>12459842you yourself admitted to not reading the discussion and not playing the relevant game, your input on either couldn't matter lessand since the other guy conveniently disappeared the moment you showed up, there's no further discussion to be had
>>12459863Good point and I can't say I care. These genre threads are usually a dumpster fire.
>>12459860it's actually not broad if you understand that "like in zelda and metroid" does not apply doom keys
>>12459889Not really, especially with Zelda where most items act like keys rather than abilities like in Metroid.
>>12459860>You "progress" and unlock "new things" in DoomEach Doom level starts with only a pistol. If you play otherwise, you didn't beat the game.
>>12459386>It's not. People have always been arguing about "quest vs adventure".No. They haven't. Adventure games are well understood.
>>12459907Yet you don't have whole weapon pool on the first level, so your items are more limited than later in the game.
>>12459908You can read this very thread to realize that no, they are not "well understood".
>>12459913They are well understood in the general context and that 'quest vs adventure' has never been a thing. This thread also has people claiming Zelda is a platformer and that common usage doesn't count so it's just an illustration of how retarded some autists are.
>>12459912That's a level design choice. If you consider one map as the entire game, then it would be a metroid-like. Half Life assumes you unlock new things with progress. It's still not a metroid-like since it frequently blocks backtracking and is designed for linear progression.
>>12459816Ocarina of Time calls itself an RPG in Japan
>>12459912New weapons aren't what people mean when they talk about unlocking items in adventure games...
>>12459928>If you consider one map as the entire game, then it would be a metroid-like. It wouldn't. You don't get any abilities that are required to traverse new areas.>>12459935Yet for some reason people gladly apply it to Zelda by mentioning the bow or bombs.
>>12460004The bow and bombs are used for puzzle solving and opening up new areas on the map to explore, not just different forms of attack. Are you being disingenuous on purpose or do you really not understand something so basic?
>>12460004>You don't get any abilitiesABILITY OF OPEN BLUE DOOR
>>12459202>everyone else jumped off a cliff, would you too?Depends why they are doing it. Maybe there is something cool down at the bottom.
>>12459202But anon, it's the Dark Souls of 2D platformers.
>>12460023Fair point.
>>12460020You can say the same about keys in doom. All of those are still items, not abilities. Some weapons in Metroid act like both a key to specific doors and an ability, but the latter is what makes it distinct.
>>12460023>>12460047>>12460054Upgrades in metroid-likes are usually just keys. Nothing different between getting a high jump to reach new areas, and getting the green missiles that are the same as missiles except they open green doors.Obtaining these keys nonlinearly distinguishes the genre, but that's hard for designers so they just fake it and set up artificial progress blocks and everyone calls it a metroidvania anyways.
>>12459202Because in this case common usage is better than your weeb faggotry. People as autistic as you, but lacking the IQ and drive to deeply understand natural language, should not worry yourself with genre terminology. You will only hurt your sanity and everyone else's patience for obnoxious faggotry.
>>12460096Except a double-jump is not merely a way to access more areas. Are you retarded?
>>12460109What else do you use a double jump for?
>>12460110combat and (non gated) traversal
>>12460115Are you really using it because it's helpful, not because the game design after requiring double jumps requires more double jumps?Not saying all games are like this, just that keys are very common in the genre.
Tails Adventure is my favorite Willyvania
>>12459215You fucked up your point by inventing a great name.
making the “if everyone else jumps off a bridge” argument doesn’t work here, language is for conversing and the most known term is what we use to have it flow smoothly, it’s not for “being above the influence”/thread
>>12460172Yes but it doesn't matter. It refutes the analogy completely either way. You can't say it's exactly like identical green missles that open green doors when it's objectively not.
>>12460054You could, but you would sound very stupid implying you don't understand the difference between a key that simply opens a door and an item you can use to affect the environment like the bombs and arrows do. You sound pretty stupid though so you'll most likely reply again complaining more about how genre distinctions that have been widely and easily understood for decades continue to confuse you. So keep whining I guess lol.
>>12460102intense nigga sex when?
They're all Strangeloop clones
>>12460259>an item you can use to affect the environmentIs Red Faction a metroidvania now?
Because it sounds catchy and it combines the names of two game franchises which eventually wound up with similar gameplay styles, so that almost everybody who hears the term will immediately have a general idea about the style of gameplay that you're talking about.
This term should really be used to describe a subgenre where you control a space marine trapped in a 1470s Romanian castle who goes around shooting period specific supernatural baddies.
>>12459202>b-but common usage!>if everyone else jumped off a cliff, would you too?People call homosexuals "gay" all the time, and that's not what the word "gay" originally meant
>>12459215that would be a much better name since you would avoid the seething disappointment so many seem to feel when they play something which has shooting and first person (eg goldeneye) but isn't a doomnukem
>>12459202>is search action?Because that's gay and doesn't mean anything
>>b-but common usage!>if everyone else jumped off a cliff, would you too?That's how language works whether we like it or not. If enough people start using a word in a new way or with a new meaning then that's what it's gonna mean, and dictionaries will add the new definition because that's what people are gonna be looking up. The words you use every day mean what they mean because this happened to them. It's pointless to fight it.
>>12460829>dictionaries will add the new definitionThat does not happen majority of the time. You won't redefine adventure as a game genre "officially", not because people don't use it but because the original definition is not obsolete.
persiavania > metroidvania
>>12460897nosferatu was unplayable dogshit
>>12459202Who fucking cares what Japanese people say? We speak English. Anglo-Saxons decided to call them Metroidvanias, and in the motherfucking God-given English tongue it shall be Metroidvanias. FUCK OFF.᠏᠏ ᠏᠏᠏ ᠏᠏᠏ ᠏▲▲᠏ ᠏᠏ ▲
>>12460939no one cares about what soulless angloids think. if your culture were superior, as you say... then you wouldn't need to play the actually superior Japanese games
>>12460952>says this in English
>>12460957yes it is the basic pigdog lowest common denominator language for natural born slaves, it is the only language you can ever hope to speak because of low IQ
>>12459202Majority rule You lostIts overMove on
>>12460974>the majority is always right!maybe comparing sales figures of the latest AAA slop on /v/ is more up to your speed, kid
>>12461002Language is meaningless when others can't understand what you're saying. It has always been, and will always be, decided by what is understood by the majority of those exchanging information with it.Everyone knows what a Metroidvania is and what it implies already. It is an established term and even if there was some retarded inorganic movement to try to change it, you will simply have a ton of people asking "What the fuck does Search Action mean?", have it explained to them, and they'll simply go "Oh, you mean Metroidvania." Those people will not go on to humor the autistic whims of some dipshit on an imageboard and continue to use the term that already made sense to them and everyone else.
>>12460959>says this in EnglishIt is truly sad that you consider it such a lowly language yet you have had it imposed on you.Also, mun äidinkieli on suomi.
It's just 2-D adventure. That's the genre. Zelda is top down adventure.
>>12461143people called FPS games "doom clones" for like a decade but stopped once they realized it's fucking retarded. the same will happen with the term "metroidvania". when that happens you're going to pretend that you never called them "metroidvanias" because you're a spineless conformist
>>12461286Goldeneye was the one that killed the "doom clone" genre naming. It went beyond collecting key cards and reaching the end in their mission structure, so they finally dropped it.
>>12461286>the same will happen with the term "metroidvania".Nah.
>>12459202You're correct. Metroidvania originally and ideally should still only refer to castlevania games in the style of metroid, vs classicvania games.>>12459214the only souls game that's similar to metroid is Dark Souls. And that's mainly just in terms of a nonlinear map that requires exploration and backtracking. If that's all that makes something metroid-like, then Resident Evil is also a metroid-like. The other key component of metroid is that progression is based on acquiring new weapons/powers/abilities that allow the player to access new areas. In this regard, the only real instance of this in Dark Souls is the charred orange ring
>>12461258>Zelda is top down adventure.Ocarina is also top-down now?
And people make it even worse by adding the "rogue" aspects into metroidvania
>>12461435"Roguevania" is now a tag on Steam which is stupid since it dropped Metroid part which is more essential.
>>12461440Essentialt or not, "vania" part always meant RPG elements (hence IGA prefered to call SotN-likes IGAvania). Rogue by itself is a typical enough dungeon crawler RPG, so Roguevania is pretty much just RPGRPG.
>>12461460the rogue label doesn't even have anything to do with roguelike gameplay anymore, it just means permadeath and some randomized/procgen levels
>>12461440>"Roguevania" is now a tag on Steamthis shit doesn't even make any sense. I'm not sure if it's even possible to make it even more retarded
>>12461478>>12461440what does that even mean? side-scrolling grid-based nonlinear action-platformer with randomized maps?
>>12461485I can say with certainty that it has absolutely fuck all to do with Rogue
>>12461465Sad state of affairs really.I think some people wanted to introduce a "roguelite" moniker for those games at some point, but I guess it never took root.
>>12461485"Rogue Legacy"-likes maybe
I don't like Metroidvanias. It's just backtracking to pad out the game time instead of adding new levels, but now we pretend it's a feature.
>>12459307You search for items/weapons in every game. You explore levels in every game.
>>12461542>You search for items/weapons in every game.not in tetris
>>12461563You metaphorically 'search' for the right block
>>12459202This is a vintage game board. A retro game is something new made to resemble something old. Playing actually old games would be vintage
>>12461485Something like Dead Cells, i.e. randomized runs.
>>12461539>It's just backtracking to pad out the gameThat's the point - when you get a new ability, you can traverse previous areas much quicker, if they are properly designed of course.
>>12461478Genre tags have long since stopped meaning anything. Any game will just attach as many as they can thing up to try and sound deep and attach as many as they can to get further attention. The word RPG especially has lost any distinction.
Because Search action actually sounds gayer than saying Metroidvania, which is already a gay ass term.Just call it "Adventure platformer"
Let's face it, the scotformer was never the same after Jet Set Willy exploded on to shelves.
>>12459256>>12459258OP annihilated
>>12459202More like JetSetWillyVaniaBelowTheRoot
>>12459202Here OP...a book just for you
>>12460562>You sound pretty stupid though so you'll most likely reply again complaining more about how genre distinctions that have been widely and easily understood for decades continue to confuse you. Lol. You really are that stupid. I feel bad for your parents.
>>12462167>Everyone who replies to me is the same anonNot the most brightest are you?
>>12462501You're a retard if you think it matters either way. It proves anon was correct to predict a moron would reply pretending to not understand the implications of grenre tags that are obvious to everyone else.
>>12462098>buy my book!no
>>12462765>a moron would reply pretending to not understand the implicationsHow ironic...
>>12462501>you're stupid because I'm actually the retarded one
>>12463064>No uCome on, you can come up with something better, I believe in you.
>>12462501>there's more than one thick headed moron who doesn't understand basic things hereGee ya sure showed me. Keep getting upset that genre descriptions aren't changed to coddle your autistic retardation.
>>12463358>genre descriptions aren't changed to coddle your autistic retardationAre you arguing with some voices in your head?
>>12463381Everyone sees what's happening here but you.
>>12463694Nothing has been happening. You are talking to yourself or some imaginary opponent for two days.
>>12463694Assuming it's not one of the troll bots that has infected every board at this point he knows exactly what he's doing and it's on purpose. These threads are all the same. Just ignore the child.
>>12459202I don't care much about what it's called... all I know is that my favorite title from this genre is the underrated The Amazing Spider-Man 2 on the Game Boy! LJN and Bits Studios' peak really.
>>12459202You're not Japanese.
>>12463784You're replying to one of the "troll bots" who keeps repeating the same thing in every post.
>>12459202https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%A1%E3%83%88%E3%83%AD%E3%82%A4%E3%83%89%E3%83%B4%E3%82%A1%E3%83%8B%E3%82%A2>メトロイドヴァニア(英: Metroidvania)は、サイドビュー(横視点)の2Dアクションアドベンチャーゲームのサブジャンルの一種の俗称で、探索型アクションなどとも呼ばれているジャンルである。「メトロヴァニア」と呼称する者もいる。
>>12464346>Metroidvania ( English : Metroidvania ) is a 2D side view (side view) Action Adventure Games It is a kind of slang term for a subgenre of Exploratory Actions This is a genre also known as Some call it "Metrovania.">『 Metroid 』and『 Castlevania (Western title of Castlevania)』 is a combination of the names of two computer game series Bag language It is. It is not an official term, but rather a slang term that has been used by users in the West for some time, and games in this genre incorporate elements from both series [ 1 ] [ 2 ] However, Metroid nintendo Also Castlevania Konami Nor does it use the word Metroidvania.>The official genre notation for Metroid and Castlevania games on the official website and on the packaging box is " Exploratory Actions It is also known as a "map exploration action RPG."
>>12464350>『 Castlevania (Western title of Castlevania)』goofy ass autotranslator
>>12464350>The official genre notation for Metroid and Castlevania games on the official website and on the packaging box is " Exploratory Actions this pretty mych settles this
>>12461298Goldeneye is the biggest Doom clone of all, even the plot is a ripoff of Doom.
>>12464638>pierce bronson
>>12464350The answer was posted here. >>12459559 it was made up as a kind of joke and then caught on. Neither of the people attributed to coining it will take credit because they think it's stupid too. But it resonated ebough that the term took on a life of it's own and became what people use to refer to this kind of game. That's just how language works. You can whine all day thatvit seems nonsensical, it doesn't matter. Culture isn't suddenly going to call them search-action because every few years an weeb autist gets his panties in a knot and trolls about how much it upsets him. /vr/ has a long history of people bitching about genre definitions and the threads always turn out just like this one.
>>12464670>culture changed so that people call the genre "metroidvania" because of some literal whos offhand joke comment but it can't change to people calling it by its correct name because uhh... uhh... it just can't!
>>12464687Unironically, yes.
>>12464638>the plot is basically DoomI don't remember James Bond entering Hell...
I keep forgetting how fucking garbage this board is
>>12459202Who cares about your autistic emotional problems? Braindead loser. Broken-brained zoomer trash.Metroidvania Metroidvania Metroidvania.Shitty little neuro-atypical turd can't handle that, lmao.
>>12465932calm down chud
>Castlevania getting its first Metroidlike game in 18 years>it’s a Dead Cells reskinlmao
>>12465932It's the neuro-typicals that are fine with it because they get how silly genre names are and metroidvania is fine to refer to a particular kind of game. It's the nero-divergent weeaboo autists who get upset and desperately need to make everyone stop using a term that triggers their retard gene.
>>12459202Because they are people who make their entire identity about being a nerd and this is part of their way of communicating that. I think such people don't actually play a wide variety of games and really only play select popular titles, and would get mad if they play a game that isn't familiar to them.>>12464235>>12459754Not the point. To begin with, such games originated from Japan, so of course we should discuss how to talk about them in English.>>12460665>>12460829It's your own choice to decide how you speak in the end. You can still communicate the same idea without adopting specific vocabulary. Because one of you brought up gay as an example, I am sure this is something that probably does bother you. You can talk about homosexuals without using the word gay. Similarly, all games are just games. You can talk about what the game is like without using shortcuts.
>>12465932>>12466960Because this is how normal people talk.
>>12459218>action adventure includes games like zeldas and no one would lump them in the same genre as symphony of the nightYeah nobody except the literal creator of the game.
>>12467326He actually calls them IGAvania though.
>>12467220>they are people who make their entire identity about being a nerdIs this a bad thing?
>>12465932got the little bastards heh
>>12467369Igavania refers to the Castlevania games in that style. Metroidvania refers to the genre as a whole.
>>12459202it's a meme, don't take it all so seriously
>>12469931>An exploration-focused, side-scrolling platformer featuring RPG and crafting elements. Koji Igarashi, the namesake of "Igavania"-style games, is leading the project, with Michiru Yamane composing the music and Inti Creates leading the development.Official quote from Bloodstained's kickstarter page. He said that he prefers this term in one of the interviews.
>>12469964Like OP, it doesn't matter what he prefers.
they should be called maze crawlers
>>12459202simple. it's catchy
>>12467369>IGAvaniaBecause he is afraid that Nintendo will come for him if he uses the name of their IP in promotional material.
>>12470328Even the official Bloodstained wiki points out that only he and handful of sycophants use that term and that everyone else calls it metroidvania.
>>12469931> ESA at tier BWtf ? Who made this list ?
>>12459202>>b-but common usage!>if everyone else jumped off a cliff, would you too?lol. You complain about common usage and then immediately use a common colloquialism.You can't even be the change you want to see in the world.
