There's clearly a sizeable market of people interested in retro games, but they refuse to just play them. Instead they need to have someone else do it, and in a digestible format. I could understand watching longplays, let's plays or even pretentious video essays, but these videos don't fall into that category. Watching these videos is like having some stranger describe a movie to you while showing only small clips. Sure, it's structured decently and gets the point across, but you don't really feel like you experienced the thing for yourself. Instead you had that stranger's idea of it imposed on you.To put this into perspective, I genuinely believe that none of the games this guy covers have sold more copies than there are views on his videos. In other words, from a raw statistical perspective, these glorified summaries are going to be many people's first (and likely sole) introduction to the games covered therein. It gets worse when you consider that most of the views are coming from second monitors, and the few who watch intently probably don't really care that much and just need some content to fill the void.I think in the near future we're going to have a serious brain drain with old games. To some extent it's already here, as quite a number of fandoms are heavily imbalanced to favor those who haven't engaged hands-on with the thing being discussed. However, at the rate things are going, it might get to a stage where barely anyone plays games anymore when it's easier - and arguably more efficient - to just throw on a video and passively absorb someone else's interpretation. And when everyone is doing that, these videos start to become like a sort of modern day Gospel. They represent the art more than itself because that's fundamentally how the masses operate. Death of the author and all.
>>12465280yeah yeah you hate AVGN i get it
>>12465280Literally all of this is slop that no human being should ever have to suffer through
I heard the stories about Bebe's Kids but I still had to actually play it to learn how bad it truly was.
>>12465280Thanks for the new channel to check out>reee why are you watching games instead of playingBecause some games are shit to play but fun to watch? Mainly shitty adventure games
In the late 2000's I watched a ton of Nostalgia Critic videos about movies I have zero interest in actually watching. I assume this is a similar case, where the video is so transformative it's not really a replacement for the game in question and is its own form of media, one that has a separate audience than actual players. Basically in the same way a film buff sees no value in watching some unfunny hack review a movie, a trve gamer sees no point in watching a summary for a game they could just play themselves.
>>12465280I like to watch these for games I've already played just to hear other people's opinions.
>>12465280>Cuck Domainkek this faggot shamelessly shilling some shitty indie slop
A large portion of Dungeon Chill's videos are about Jap exclusive games without translation patches and also feature sections discussing the history of the development staff/other projects they were involved with. There's plenty of worthless slop to complain about on Youtube but this really isn't it.
Okay rec me some actually good youtoobers who talk about /vr/ shit then.
>>12465385Your mom
>>12465385The one, the only, the goat, MARK MSX!!
>>12465280Why do you care so much in what way people who aren't you choose to enjoy games? Why do you bother looking for videos of games instead of just playing something?
>>12465385Jason Greaves
>>12465280I would never call myself a fan of a game I've never played, but I will concede that videogame related videos can be a way to expose you to something you otherwise would've overlooked. There's also the friend simulator aspect, for better or worse. Some of the most fun I had with games back in the day, particularly story-based games, was playing through them with a friend, guessing about what would happen next or even riffing on what was happening. It was also fun to replay stuff like the Silent Hill series with a friend who'd never played, and see their reactions to stuff.
>DS Not retro.
>>12465503Ports are welcome here. Soul Hackers is a Saturn game from 1997. Try playing games instead of watching them, it's more fun.
>>12465385Sean Seanson
>>12465385Seb's Place
>>12465280Zoomers are brainrotted. They all think they can multitask so they constantly play shit in the background while they do stuff. In reality they have zero attention span and when they're 'multitasking' they're just failing at multiple things simultaneously.
>>12465280People don't actually want to play these games, they want to know the stories of said games. All these are games people barely discuss the gameplay itself.Also some of them like Lain PS1 and King's Field IV are too much for the average retarded zoomer, even if they played them they would jump right into a essay to explain what was going on.
>>12465483He spends more time (validly) complaining about modernslop than talking about retro vidya though.
Burst error is a good one, he's in the autistic side of gaming, it seems.
>>12465326How to play "classic" Sierra adventure games:Step 1: Check the FAQ for any hardware-based softlocks. Adjust your emulator or computer hardware accordingly.Step 2: (optional) Check the FAQ for softlock states that can happen through regular gameplay (warning: some autists claim this will disqualify you from "beating the game." The game designers will claim they gave you 10 save slots for a reason.)
>>12465280You got a point but also consider something that one may like study ancient Rome, but doesn't wanna live in it"
Time. Sometimes you don't have time for a 40 hour game.>>12466884>multitasking' they're just failing at multiple things simultaneously.Yeah tried reading and watching tv, was half paying attention to 2 stories.
zoomers brains have been too fried by tech to actually sit down and play games. they need something that just keeps them on the cusp of interacting with something but without engaging. thats why they have 3 screens with a video on one and a game on another while also checking their phone and listening to this video while also in a voice call. they cant focus on anything nad just passively take in pieces of stimuli. its a societal problem that goes beyond retro vidya but of course its going to affect that as eventually people only engage with art through shortform attention grabbing clips or long repetitive narration that repeats key points to ensure they get processed
>>12465280This is why I stopped arguing with people that havent demonstrated that they actually play games. Even ignoring the fact that I would never willing engage with someone in a conversation thats 10+ years younger than me its just such a waste of time discussing something with someone elses second hand knowledge.
>>12465280Man this guy’s videos actually piss me off royally because I actually worked on a translation for a game he made a video on. For Dead of the Brain, I co-edited the 2023 retranslation of the PC-98 version. Many grueling months were spent on that damn game and I honestly have no interest in touching it ever again, even though I have to go back and fix a few bugs and spelling errors. This dude decides to just make a video on it, summarize and spoils the entire plot, and gets 700K views and whatever ad revenue he got. Oh yeah, and he didn’t even use the right translation. He used the old one (which is complete early MTL shit) because he couldn’t figure out a bug that could’ve been fixed if he could actually read PC-98 setup guides.How many people actually downloaded the translation? Hard to tell, but I think it’s around 2000 + probably around triple that on prepatched ROM piracy sites (being a bit conservative with that estimate but a lot more people do those prepatches usually).Just so performative and ruins the experience for others. It’s only this guy I have a problem with. I loved watching small streamers play the game and give really fun commentary and narrate the dialogue in their own silly voices. Other YouTubers gave so much more effort on covering the game, especially AshleyRiot, who only got a mere 4 and a half thousand views on an hour long covering of not only that game and the original translation but in depth explanations on how scummy the original 2019 translator was. Thousand times the effort, much less views. Many such cases. I love the little community moments when we release a translation because when people get to finally try them, it’s such a great experience for all, but when someone just decides to basically spoil the experience of the game for a larger audience, just puts a bad taste in my mouth.
>>12465326Well said, like half of Ross's game dungeon videos are from interesting games that play like shit
>>12468268Curse of someone blowing up super big (very quickly) then has to keep up with releases for clicks into traffic into ad revenue. It's why I like smaller creators. They can take their time
>>12465385chinnyvision innit
to be honest I started to feel something like this when I started the planet laika video, and then decided 'you know what I'd rather experience this for myself' and turned it off.for a game I am familiar with, like hotel dusk, I skimmed through and just felt like the youtuber narration shtick wasn't really jibing with my memories of the game and how I experienced it, and it did feel diluted and watered down.I mean, I guess it is very individual specific. Who else (but me?) would have walked over to the jukebox to to put on some sexy saxophone music when the movie star chick wanted to have a drink with Hyde in the bar? Just dumb shit that you can only do if you are like, in the zone, and that doesn't end up on a 2 hour plot summary.
>>12465385If you're interested in the hardware and limitations thereof, try White Pointer Gaming's channel. Most of his stuff is about how some impressive graphical effects were actually achieved on older systems, especially 16-bit ones.
I HATE THE EFFEMINATE VOICE ZOOMER VIDEO ESSAY CHANNELSI HATE THE EFFEMINATE VOICE ZOOMER VIDEO ESSAY CHANNELSI HATE THE EFFEMINATE VOICE ZOOMER VIDEO ESSAY CHANNELS
>>12465503It's a 3DS port of Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers which was from the late 90s on Saturn and PS1 and is the definitive version of the game due to speedups and UI improvements.
>>12468268It's interesting to hear your perspective on this.I've watched several of Dungeon Chill's videos and generally enjoyed them, but it sucks to hear that he bungled that one.If it's any consolation to you, I often use these channels (Basement Brothers is another one) to find cool and niche stuff then check it out myself before I actually finish their spoilery videos. Dead of the Brain is actually the first PC98 game I played, and I appreciate your effort on the modern patch.
>>12468463Calm down. I also fucking hate them, so I don't watch them.
>>12468503This. It's like the hate people used to spew about the avgn guy. He looks like a tryhard dork, so other than seeing screenshots in threads I have never even heard him speak let alone watch a video or give him views. If someone likes watching youtube videos about games that's cool, but I don't understand the impulse at all to watch videos on any subject by someone you don't like and then complain about them. Do people really have so much free time and lack of other interests they would watch long-form videos they hate?
They make artbooks for games that don’t exist too
>>12467867>Sometimes you don't have time for a 40 hour gameLike when? If you play 1.5 hours per day, you will finish such game in a month.
>>12468525Not everyone wants to spend over an hour a day, every day playing something they don't really care about. There are way too many other things in life to do.
>>12465280i never played any in your OP post, youtuber fagit.you wanna talk about paladins or idoru Xbox games?
>>12467605>softlocks.just play LucasArts games.
>>12465385AVGN
>JRPGS and point-and-clicksGames that can be conveyed via video essays didn't hold much worth as video games anyway.
>>12468738Your opinion is so meaningful
>>12465385The Furious Famicom Faggot
>>12468463Based zoomerfag making this unc seethe
>>12465326Clearly OP never played something like Fahrenheit Indigo Prophecy.Instead he decided do write schizo ramblings in a failing north korean cultural exchange siteI didn't read a single word, but i assume he's complaining that nobody plays games anymore and instead prefer to watch themWell, alright. Cool. I guess. Sure....But why is that a problem? And how that relates to retro?Isn't that a good thing that these old-ass games are being shown to newer audiences instead of whatever corporate drudgery is on the menu?
>>12468787It's the eternal problem we have here where people don't just want to talk about old games, they want to dictate rules for how others are allowed to experience them. It's surreal.
>>12468579If you considered playing the game then you probably already cared about it, and the only stopping factor was time to beat.>There are way too many other things in life to doThen the issue wouldn't occur in the first place.
>>12465280It's no different than taking /vr/'s braindead opinions to heart, except videos give you a better picture.
>>12468805I have started a ton of games and then part way through realized it wasn't worth my time to finish it.
>>12465385fuck off
What a bore of a video
>>12469923Why are you advertising it and the channel here then?
>>12468523it's a good artbook tho
>>12465280For me sometimes its 1am and I'm sleepy but I want to enjoy the graphics and sounds of Gates of Thunder.
>>12469710If you played a game and decided that you are not interested it's completely fine. But it's different from skipping the same game outright because you are afraid of investing time in it.
>>12465280DESU when I was a kid I enjoyed watching my brother or older cousins play the games more than playing them myself because they would get further into the games than I ever could at the time. I don't blame modern kids who feel the same and would rather watch a youtuber play the games.
Watching other people play games is cuck behavior.
>>12470437And playing multiplayer games is gay sex?
>>12465280Zoomers have a very commodified view of art and entertainment. They don't treat games, movies or music as things to experience directly, but rather as just sources of information and audiovisual stimulation to be consumed while doing other things. Honestly there's a whole essay waiting to be written on this topic.
>>12465280Decent channel but Ross's game dungeon is better
>>12470437I feel the same way about playing translations
>>12465280idonno I grew up watching my brother play videogames I didn't enjoy playing myselfalso, I watch these mostly to fall asleep
>>12470752ah yes, the RANDOM ANGRY YELLING for no good REASON guy. it's ok when he's just going about the history of the game and its most interesting quirks like a normal autist BUT THEN HE ENTERS A FUCKING 5 MINUTE RANT WHERE HE YELLS NON STOP! WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP WATCHING HIM!? I had to stop
>>12470432That's how I look at Dragon Quest 7. I like 1-5 pretty well, but the bit I played of 7 and seeing the length of it, even though I know there's going to be some good dragon questing to be had, it's just not worth my time. Same with MMOs, even ones my friends were/are playing that look quite fun at parts just look like a time sink that isn't worth it.
>>12465378There's literally hunderds of videoessayfags doing the same thing over the same games. It IS slop. >wikipedia game history>plot recap>game clipsBest use for it is like a an overview before you decide if you want to play the game or not, which still doesn't justify the fucking clickbait and video length
>>12471134If you need to watch a YouTube video to let you decide whether to try a game or not, that's your problem.
>>12465385Strafefox mogs every single youtuber out there. Production values and research are second to none. Click on any video and see for yourself.https://www.youtube.com/@strafefox/videos
>>12471189Is that your channel?
>>12471191Nah, don't care enough about exposing myself out there to have a channel. I'm too old for this shit.
>>12465385PC-88 Paradise also known as the Basement Brothers. He covers PC-88 and PC-98 games. Personally my favorite of these recommendations.Displaced Gamers. He goes into detail and talks about the coding of NES games and does bug fixing for some of them.Aqua Walrus. He covers old blobbers.Ross's Game Dungeon aka Accursed Farms. Covers odd old games that usually are terrible to actually play but interesting to talk about / watch.Majuular. Good for his long form videos on the Ultima series where he talks about the history, production, people behind the game and impact of the series.MrEdders123. Similar to above but with other retro games.Enjoy anon.
>>12465280I live in Japan and saw a boxed copy of "Otogirisou" at a Hard-Off for ¥500 the other day. "Oh cool," I thought for a moment, then it hit me that it's just a fucking visual novel. All of the "games" this guy reviews are all heavily narrative, there's no gameplay to them. You might as well be watching this shit. You're getting indignant over shitty "games," OP, your anger is misplaced. Good games should be played, you can't convey the experience of Super Mario Bros in a 90 minute YouTube video, but this shit is only a novelty, I sure as hell don't want to "play" any of them.
>>12471437> I saw a game and I don't like the genre of game it is so I'm going to complain it got made in the first place because how dare a company make games not designed for me! Did you want to buy it to decorate a room in your 'mansion' but then realized it didn't fit the fake persona you are trying to cultivate?
>>12471437>"Oh cool," I thought for a moment, then it hit me that it's just a fucking visual novel.this is such a bizarre mindset I cant begin to understand what goes on inside your brain. So you heard of a game before and at some point you either wanted to play it or wanted to own it because you thought it was cool that it was cheap in the store but upon thinking about the game that you wanted you realized you didnt want the game? If I see a copy of barbie horse adventures for sale for 1 dollar I dont go "Oh cool" because I would never be interested in a barbie game. Is your first thought with everything you see to own it and decide if you want to play it after you buy it? Did you only want to buy the game because it was in a youtube video? Did you only want to buy the game because you had heard the name before? You didnt want to buy it when you realized what the game was, why did you even need to realize what the game was did you not know what the game was? Did you even watch the video you got your opinions from? Thats a first, someone literally too lazy to even watch a video of someone else playing a game. Are we at the point in discourse where im arguing with people who get their opinions from youtube titles? People are going into stores just to buy the games in the thumbnails of their favorite video maker regardless of content?
>>12472008>Did you only want to buy the game because it was in a youtube video?Ding ding ding!!! He wanted it for his man cave to look cool but then was worried it wouldn't look cool enough in his collection because it would show he plays visual novels not shmups. Butbhe wants us all to know that he lives in Japan and saw a potential deal that he passed on. I'm surprised he didn't generate another grok image to go along with it.
>>12465280Who cares? Also, imagine seeing these thumbnails, video lengths, and the shallow coverage contained therein and not realizing that the creator is farming for background/bedtime play.>t. guy who LITERALLY watches videos from this exact channel (among others) every night to fall asleep to.
>>12465385cybershell. has made way too many autistic sonic videos. was also an SA goon.
I really don't understand why people that make videos about video games make this place have gargantuan meltdowns. People treat like hearing the opinions of others is original sin. I like hearing other people's perspectives on things I like especially when they've given it a lot more thought than I have (i.e. they're way more autistic than me). It's OK to change your opinion on things.
>>12472374>I really don't understand whyTry reading the thread then you fucking retard
>>12472380Tldr?
>>12472416This person isn't criticizing or otherwise adding any insightful commentary to these games. He's doing shitty content-farm style plot summaries. I think this anon's comment >>12468268 is the most pertinent in the thread.
>>12472374It's more that people will waste their time watching videos they don't like and then come here to complain that the videos exist in the first place. I don't care if someone wants to watch youtube about video games, but there's no reason to bitch and moan about it
>>12472380Nah. It's going to be the same tired arguments in every thread.>>12472524People rarely do that though. It's more so that someone sees an opinion they don't like and go "OH WOW WHAT YOUTUBER DID YOU WATCH TO GET THAT OPINION?" They start seething over the whole site out of nowhere like a woman who can't get over their ex
>>12472437I think plot summaries are fine if you're interjecting your own analysis and personal thoughts about them. I can't speak for Dungeon Chill as I don't watch him, so I don't know if he does Point A to Point Z point by point plot summaries. I rarely watch YouTube videos about games nowadays and if I do it's just because I want to hear someone's opinion about a game I already played. People usually fall asleep to these.
>>12470025Go to bed, enjoy Gates of Thunder in your dreams
>>12473265>People rarely do that though. OP did it and seems quite concerned.
I make videos about some old games, from NES to ps2.No, I won't like my channel.I do very heavy research about the game, plots, mechanics and stuff.I try to be very autistic about the game I'm covering too lolBut depending on the game, it takes too much time and effort for nothing.Sometimes it gets good views, others it barely get any.But I'm just doing it for fun cause I love games
>>12473760>linkSorry
>>12465280So what ? Let people do what they want. You're also wasting your time writing this instead of playing.
>>12473760>But I'm just doing it for fun cause I love gamesI don't watch much youtube these days, but most of the people I've been following for decades are 40+ who have like 20 views per video at most. They don't care about views, they do it because they like doing it. They just sit there, holding a game in their hand and talk about it for 10 minutes. I watch them not to seek validation on a review or whatever, but because they feel geniuine in talking about something they care. Not that anything I've said will help you out to grow but good luck mate.
>>12471364i'm aware of all of those. give me the super deep cut esoteric shit
>>12474510Thanks a lot, every compliment helps me improving, knowing that people actually love watching some true content is always nice
>>12465280>Watching these videos is like having some stranger describe a movie to you while showing only small clipsI actually feel like this is better because it only shows you a smaller bit compared to the other options you listed, it gives me enough to get interested to check the game out for myself.
>>12468778>uncWhy are you pretending to be black?
>>12474872unc over here thinking slang is restricted to skin color lmaooo
>>12474872He's IQ matching
>>12465280Life is short. I can't play EVERY game. Maybe I can just watch a video about it for 90 minutes (while playing a game!) instead of spending 90 hours playing it. If I am really interested in it, I'll play it myself eventually.
>>12476682Fag. No game demands 90 hours. I can't imagine something more cuckolded than watching some fag toober playing a game. Why not just play the fucking game and quit the moment you find it boring? Is that such a scary prospect?Quitting a game when it stops being fun?Retard.
>>12468463but milliennials perfected the soi sounding voice first
>>12476730it is so funny watching people have meltdowns over gaming videos on youtube. like listen to how much of a hysteric roastie you sound.>I can't imagine something more cuckolded than watching some fag toober playing a gamehow is it any different from watching any thing else on tv ever?
>>12476927tv shows/movies are made to be watched,games are meant to be played.
>>12477214and you are made to be raped.
>>12477217nah,im therapist.
>>12477214maybe i don't want to play/have 0 intentions of playing a specific game but a youtuber i like made a video on it so i'll just put it on for background noise for the fuck of it.
I always wonder who these videos are for when they spoil the entire game. I love the idea of a retro video, but I don't want every level or encounter or story beat laid out. Then even if I have played the game, it just seems superfluous. Videos like this always just sit unwatched in my Watch Later playlist forever.
>>12477214>tv shows/movies are made to be watchedSome shows and movies are made for money - to convince investors that you are "working", to get government money etc. The makers don't care if you watch them or not.
>>12477494the point is the medium of video lend itself to passive watching while video games are an active played experience but you already know that you just wanted to >erm akshuallylike the retarded redditor that you are.
I was arguing with someone just today who was quoting the FF7R games and the 'egregious differences' from the original that he saw in a youtube video. For all I know I was being trolled, but he happily admitted to never having played the game while also sticking to his guns and claiming that one video won't shape his opinions. But he still spoke on FF7R like he had any sort of authority just from watching and parroting someone else's bullshit.I went online and read the synopsis for Kramer v Kramer. It doesn't mean I watched the fucking movie, and I would never argue with anyone about that film.People are retarded, and a lot of modern, popular games only reinforce this. But I suppose it's more than that - it's a kind of laziness. They're curious about something but don't want to waste the effort and come out having a bad experience? So instead of trying it for a couple of hours and turning it off, they'll watch 40 hours of 'content' related to it. Very odd.
>>12477641It makes sense when you realize half of the people you see are too lazy to read signs or even complete sentences.>be at gas station>customer in front of me is getting two whatevers, complaints to clerk that the sign said it was 2 for $2>clerk walks over to sign, brings it over>"save $2 when you buy 2!">"Oh, I guess I didn't read that part."Literally, a sign with less than 10 words, and these lazy fucks can't even be bothered to read the whole thing to make sure they got it right.>see there's a sign on the door that says "CLOSED, TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES">turn around and go back to my car>see someone else pull up, see the sign, and yank on the door handle>idiot gets angry and starts pounding on the door while yelling at the employees inside "YOUR FUCKING DOOR IS STUCK!"At least half the people you see are too lazy or stupid to bother to read ANYTHING, they sure as shit aren't going to put in the effort to play a videogame when they can just watch a video.
What type of video would you people watch then?
Game Sack bro and Jason Graves are my best friend simulators, I love their content and always like and subscribe and reply down in the comments, also most happy gamer guy vids cause he loves Macross.
>>12477614>makes an "akshually" post while accusing other of making itYou know perfectly well what I was talking about.
>>12465385Chuggaaconroy
>>12468268>Youtuber couldn’t figure out how to setup an emulatorThis has been the case every single time Saturn emulation came up in a video I've watched.Mednafen is not hard to use.
>>12465385RndStranger. Has played and reviewed every single famicom game ever released, including all disk systems releases.
>>12468268>summarize and spoils the entire plotPretty much why I don't watch him nor basement brothers. Shame because they cover interesting games but they leave no margin of discovery for the potential player. Those channels are for kids who after watching their stuff, they come here and pretend to know everything about them.
