Just finished Dragon Quest, the original japanese Famicom version in its original language.What a great game, I'm also glad I went with the very very original version because I will want to experience all the others.I plan to play the english NES version, the japanese SFC, and the english GBC versions later, but next is Dragon Quest II.Some highlights from DQ1 (SPOILERS ahead):>Saving the princess early in the game, subverting the expectation of that happening at the end>Finding all the different secrets without looking up any guide, most incredible one being finding the Loto amulet, I was also off by 1 tile even though I tried my best to count each tile until I got there. Thankfully I tried with the next tile to the right and there it was.>Killing regular dragon enemies like they're slimes at the end of the gameIt's a very fun game overall, I never really found a proper use for the Gira spell though, except maybe in the early game. I never even used the more powerful version at the end.
>>12470396>I tried my best to count each tile until I got therethe item you get from the princess tells you your exact location in the world.
>>12470404oh shit really? I thought that was just a sort of compass to get back to the castle from any location
You're, like, the third anon on /vr/ to play the original DQ in Japanese just this month, and become completely fascinated with this barebones game.Maybe it's just me, but something doesn't seem right.
>>12470396>next is Dragon Quest IIGood luck and bring plenty of lube.
>>12470421It's still me, anon. I just finished it today.>barebonesAnd that's a good thing!>>12470445Hmmm. I just started it. Is it really that much more difficult than the first one?
>>12470396>shitty grindan sim rpg :|>shitty grindan sim rpg, japan :0at least play the SFC version that actually respects your time. original dragon quest has some of the most atrocious experience scaling in any rpg ever made. 70% of the playthrough is pure grinding. the gold grind is retarded too but at least you get to fight goldmans at some point which helps a bit
1 and 2 are shit but 3 is a masterpiece. Im sure you're too pretentious to actually do this but you SHOULD play the SNES remake of 3 for your first playthrough, the overall best version by far of the best game in the entire series.
>>12470481As I said I plan on playing the remakes too.What's with all this anti-original posting? This is not the /vr/ I remember.I thought the grinding was moderate, most of the leveling is done while you're exploring the map.The only time I spent some time grinding was precisely these goldmen to get some better equipment, but it didn't take too long especially since there's that one area that's safe and has a lot of goldmen.I beat the game at level 20 which is about the average level people beat the game. This was a rather short game for an RPG, but well designed.>>12470485Too late already played the NES Dragon Warrior III many years ago. It was my first DQ game. Of course it was nice to finally play the game Alefgard originated from.
>the version with shitter graphics, less content and more mindless grinding is the best bro I swear!Not falling for this retarded psyop
>>12470525>bestNow where did I say this?Yes, there seems to be some anti-original psyop going on.
>>12470412Didn't you realize you could just reverse the directions you were given to tell exactly how far away from the castle YOU were?
>>12470545I completely forgot about the item itself! Can't believe I didn't think of it though.I just counted the tiles and calculated the coordinates, didn't take me that long and felt way more epic.
>>12470523well then I really recommend trying out SNES for this run then. It has some of the most beautiful graphics and sound in the entire 16 bit catalogue, a bunch of new content and a whole new postgame, new game mechanics with personalities, and a very useful new class (thief). definitely worth it
>>12470523people who use guides think the game is nothing but grind because they don't realize playing the game organically and exploring on your own means you'll get most of the experience you need from doing that. when you cheat and know exactly what to do you will hit a wall and have to walk in circles for hours
>>12470421It's one of the few extremely autistic zoomers that make a thread about every game they're playing.At least it's something slightly different this time, usually it's someone who's playing the Castlevania or MegaMan collections for the first time.
>>12470450>It's still me, anon. I just finished it today.So it took you 33 days to beat DQ1?A a rather short game for an RPG, according to yourself?
>>12470396I don't really want to say anything and maybe I'm just projecting but you might just love DQ2. Ever since I played DQ2 for the first time I've been playing a LOT more RPGs than I used to, DQ2 was like a first take of heroine and every other RPG afterwards was trying to relive that high and never managing to. Just so you know, this happened to me, this happened to millions of Japanese players, it could happen to you too.
Also congratulations on playing the original versions and not fall for the casualized remakes on a first playthrough. I don't want to derail another thread into version warring though but shitty ports and shitty remakes do that to games.
>>12470421Not OP but I played DQ 1 and 2 via the HD2D remake in Japanese a couple of weeks ago. Maybe you're thinking of me?If multiple people are falling in love with a game (even a simple game) after playing it in Japanese, and you find this surprising, that probably says a lot about the quality of the translation.
>>12470523His name is Roto you absolute westaboo
>>12470564Yeah I didn't play every single day and also I didn't abuse the fact I was emulating it. I commited to each session so I would each time come back to the castle before saving, I didn't just randomly save anywhere.
>>12470421I've seen a few threads and posts like this over the course of /vr/'s lifetime. Maybe not as dick riding as OP but a lot of people appreciate it because it's such a barebone undistilled RPG. Honestly it's the type of game that would captivate me when I was 11. Not too complicated, ancient but not primitive, straightforward, no frills, literally the platonic ideal of an RPG. Wizardry would rape you and later RPG's demand more from you, here it's the most basic requirements from an RPG but has enough to feel like a real adventure
>>12470421I did this a few months ago. I did wish the combat was less bare-bones, but the overall design of the game was high quality and much more engaging than most RPGs given how much focus there was on playing attention to clues and discovering things yourself.
>>12470549This is the sort of thing that makes one's adventure different from others'
>>12470549People do it that way (or just already know the exact spot I guess) when they want to keep carrying the princess with them the entire game instead of trading her in for the love item
>>12470485what the fuck is wrong with you
>>12470630this is the definition of performative gaming
>>12470745I have standards and don't simp for shitty games just because I'm "supposed" to like it because le based japanese boomers blew their wad on it in the 80s. Crazy concept for this performative gaming board, I know.
>>12470747what the fuck is wrong with you
>>12470746What's this meme I keep seeing lately? What does performative gaming mean?
>>12470525Why is everything on this site perceived as the best/worst thing ever or a psyop? Its like being in middle school again.
>>12471219The human experience is mostly like an eternal school, full of midwit NPCs everywhere
>>12471219Because some things are better and other things are worse? Duh
>>12471512It's not about preferring, it's the way some anons militantly advocate for the absolute denial of original versions of games because remakes exist.>da bedur grafx da moa cuntentYes, and that's nice and all but you'd guess there's a reason some people are here on the Retro board.Not just blaming the pro-remake troops though, the anti-remake accusers are also numerous on this board.If nobody is attacking the remakes, then nobody should be attacking the originals.The graphics are crude and primitive but even so they managed to make lively sprites with the little they had.The old wizard NPC sprite is honestly one of my absolute favorites, the way with just 2 frames they managed to make a very lively animation of the guy waving his arm frentically. From what I'm seeing, all the spritework was redone for Dragon Warrior on NES, and this NPC sprite got changed to a more dry and boring brown one. They also seem to have changed him on every other remake, making him more of a calm old guy holding a staff, instead of the crazy guy in the blue robe from the original japanese game. Little details like this make me glad I first played the original because I would have never experienced a little detail that actually made an Impact in the way I perceived and enjoyed the game.
>>12470596I was the same way a couple years ago playing it blind, it was incredible. DQ3 was objectively better, but I wasn't quite as excited to play it as I was DQ2.
>>12470396Yes it's pretty fun and charming,and quite unique too with some of it's mechanics,DQ1 really feel like a simplified ultima and wizardry mix The NES sequels are even betteri still think that Dragon quest 3 NES is the best dragon quest
So far DQII seems easier? I'm just at the beginning of the game though, still haven't found Cannock's prince but already went to a couple places and fighting doesn't seem as dangerous as it was in DQ1... For now at least. I got enough gold fast enough and aleeady got the chain sickle and chain mail
Ok, got the other prince to join me. I noticed an error in the translation maybe? Unless it was like that in the original too. The King of Midenhall says the prince left to "Midenhall" town... But there is no Midenhall town, is there? Just the Midenhall castle, at least that I could find. The prince was in the inn of the town south of Cannock castle.Not a big deal as there weren't many other placed to look in though.Also, the prince and the main hero are cousins? I wonder if it's the same in original japanese or just relatives without specifying.
>>12473826It's no mistranslation, if you go to Midenhall the king will tell you that the prince just left.You have to catch him in his journey back to Cannock, his sister even hints that.>Also, the prince and the main hero are cousins?Very distant cousins.>MidenhallThere's no Midenhall in the NES version, there's Lorasia instead.This whole autistic blogposting continues to be dubious.
>>12473841I mean the way the King says that he was "just here" (in Midenhall castle) and that he's off to Midenhall. It probably should have said Leftwyne?
>>12472359>>12473841The first line is so stupid>DQ2 is easier from the startNigger in DQ1 you're fighting slimes in 1vs1 battles in DQ2 you got 3 slugs and 2 rats ganging on you just as you step outside
>>12473883I'm sure it will get tougher soon but so far it seems enemies deal less damage than in DQ1, even if they are more.Also, leveling seems to be faster too.And I dodge a lot of enemy attacks, in DQ1 I remember my attacks missing, but enemy attacks only missed once I was far stronger than them, it also happens way more often, like a streak of 3 enemies missing in a row.Not complaining though, just nooticing
>>12473826>Also, the prince and the main hero are cousins? I wonder if it's the same in original japanese or just relatives without specifying.The three heroes of DQ2 are the grandchildren of the protagonist and princess of DQ1. They are all cousins in all versions of the game. So, uh, don't get your hopes up for another romance subplot.
>>12470481skill issue
Genuinely enjoying retro games? bad.
>>12473826>I wonder if it's the same in original japaneseIf you know japanese why are you wasting your time playing english?
>>12474284Since there didn't seem to be any major difference between FC and NES in terms of graphics or balance (afaik), I decided to go for the NES one, I enjoyed that intro cutscene btw, pretty intense and definitely cool thinking this was as early as 1987
>>12475154>definitely cool thinking this was as early as 1987it was added for the NES version which released in 1990.
>>12475162Damn, true. What other RPGs from the era got a similar treatment for the western release with extra content?I know DW III also added a very great intro cutscene and title screen (as opposed to the original japanese FC, which is just a black screen with DRAGON QUEST III in regular white text, which apparently was this way because the game was so big they really ran out of space for a title screen, which has a lot of soul in its own way)
>>12475154>Since there didn't seem to be any major difference between FC and NES in terms of graphics or balance (afaik),There are actually some small balance tweaks in the US version that make DW2 a tiny bit easier than DQ2 but it's very negligeable. Some censoring as well but nothing outrageous imo. The added intro and the ability to save largely makes up for it.
>>12473854The king just says that it seems that he's returning (to samarutoria (cannock to dekinais))>しかし そなたが サマルトリアにいったとしって また もどっていったようじゃ。
>>12471197To hazard a guess, performative gaming is when you play games to impress other people and not for genuine enjoyment. Basically, trying too hard to be a "real" gamer or some shit.>>12471219The average poster here has the mentality of a middle schooler.
>>12475679Right so it's a translation error on the NES, it should say he's gone back to Cannock (or Leftwyne, which is where the prince was).>>12476272Wouldn't it be just easier to say Poser? This "performative" meme is tryhard as fuck.
>>12476660It should just say that he's going back. Then if you skip the town and go straight to the castle, his little sister tells you that he is a bit care-free and wont to go on detours. At that point you only really have one point to search, which is the town.
>>12476673Yeah the mistranslation is that the king of Midenhall says "he's off to Midenhall", when you're currently IN midenhall.
>>12476660>Wouldn't it be just easier to say Poser? This "performative" meme is tryhard as fuck.Absolutely. "Performative gaming" is just a pretentious way of putting it.
>>12476845Localization probably got cautght up in which location is which becase we need to cange them all for the american audience.
>>12476873So basically using this performative meme is "performative" in itself
Why do so many JRPG devs fail to copy DQ's fast paced battles? The encounter rate in the first four DQ games is high but it's almost never a bother.
>>12477460Because they prioritize fancy, long attack animations.Most 8bit RPGs and some 16bit RPGs are still fast as fuck.For modern examples, Soul Hackers on 3DS (a remake/port of a Saturn game) is probably the fastest I ever played
>>12470396Forgive my hijacking your thread and shifting it into DQ general> DQ7> PS1: a classic, the tutorial is like 3 hours with challenging puzzles.> 3DS: the tutorial was tuned down, however it’s generally faithful to the original with QoL improvements> Reimagined: a mitigated disaster. The game is completely unrecognizable and everything is simplified to ridiculous degree. The motherfucker who directed on the project didn’t even complete DQ7 in the slightest yet he took the leadWhat do you think of this assessment?
>>12477732OP here. Probably gonna play the PS1 and 3DS ones and never bother with the remake.Also what are the 'pinions on the HD2D or whatever they call it remake of III?
>>12477738This is the thing, people praised the DQ1 - 3 remakes overall. The only major complaints I gathered so far> expensive because you gonna pay for all 3 games, or just wait for sales / emulation baby> the usual censorship: this woman showed too much skin? Put her in hijabOther than those remakes did pretty wellI hope more anons shine more light if there are points I missed
>>12477738I am gonna assume you are marathoning the DQ series. Here are few points to consider> DQ4The DS English localization was botched: the entire “teammate conversation” was completely removed because I guess they ran out of time and that was a massive massive feature, so for a long time it was JP exclusive……. Bizarrely enough, they fixed that problem in the Android/ IOS version which is unbelievable. Also fans made a patch to the DS version if u want to emulate that shit anyway> DQ5 and 6The DS versions are complete this time around. Ofc emulate them because no shit> DQ7Heavily consider playing either PS1 or the 3DS. The former is overwhelmingly massive and may forces you to pull out a guide. Unless if you want to make an informed guide or video between the versions> DQ8Some will suggest sticking to the PS2. I suggest to pick up the 3DS, i think you gonna miss on the music but I am pretty sure fans already made a patch if you want the PS2 soundtrack> DQ9I honestly didn’t touch this shit yet
>>12477783Don't listen to people telling you to play inferior handheld ports. It's like a spreading disease.
>>12470421I will speak for myself: the reason I jumped into DQ recently is because of the DQ3 collab banner in Octopath Travelers COTC
>>12477783>the entire “teammate conversation” was completely removed because I guess they ran out of timeIt was because the localizers were cheap and thought they could save money by cutting the Party Chat out.
>>12479106And here I have heard that it was because deadlines, lesson to be learned is to always play in japanese if you have the ability (and start learning if you don't as of yet)
>>12479215?
>>12470746>performative gamingIs this the new meme phrase?
>>12470396At some point in the mid-future (most likely) I will get around to taking Japanese studies more seriously and garner the ability to read it just so that I can play games that never get translated. It would be a nice skill to have in my pocket, even though I realistically won't ever finish my gaming backlog, which I'm fine with. I just like the idea of being able to pick out some niche game from Japan that never got translated and playing it. I could probably even be one of the people to translate eventually, but that's a lot of work and I'm fairly lazy.
>>12470747>>12470748Trolls trolling trolls or just bots? It's a toss up these days.
Favorite town from DQ1?Mine is probably raira
>>12481601Rimuldar
>>12481601Komfy Kol
>>12470396what a waste of time
Why are so many people scared of old games?
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>>12483878It didn't really take me much, DQ1 is not a super long game. In fact I was surprised that once you get the rainbow drop and cross the bridge, you just walk a bit and get to the dragon lord castle. I thought there would be at least another big area and maybe another town to visit.
